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| posted on February 2nd, 2007 at 08:08 AM |
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cooling tin discussion
I've got a stock 1600 tp in a "61 beetle & she has no air deflectors under the barrels. I'm after the T3 style for a bit of extra cooling as the
doghouse setup runs hot in an early girl like mine. Absolutely, Definitely, not chrome.
Like this pic:
Also known as "supercool? cooling tin"
I posted this in the buying selling page and got a reply that suggested they might not be the best option on a type 1 engine.
I had originally seen them recommended on the Gene Berg website & would be interested in hearing peoples opinions on the pro's & cons of using them
in my particular setup.
Thanks,
Matt.
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| posted on February 2nd, 2007 at 08:10 AM |
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What do you mean by the doghouse runs hot?
[ Edited on 1-2-2007 by VWCOOL ]
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| posted on February 2nd, 2007 at 08:18 AM |
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I have used them, chrome ones, from Mick motors. I could only get the chrome aftermarket ones. Not quite as good as oem but still much better that
the t1 for having air go through the fins under the engine.
I dont have any data with and without. The engine I built ran really cool on hot days but this mod I dont think would show on oil temp.
I used them after reading some berg articles iirc. I drilled holes and used SS tie wire to hold them tightly in place so no rattles. I hate rattles.
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| posted on February 2nd, 2007 at 08:27 AM |
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What do you mean by the doghouse runs hot?
Usual problem with the bigger fan not being able to get enough air in the smaller engine bay.
& before you sell me some hoodjax, I'm one of those who doesn't like "the look" LoL.
Matt.
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| posted on February 2nd, 2007 at 09:06 AM |
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Yes,
I have the chromed ones fitted to My Beetle 1600 doghouse fan shrouded engine...
everything I have read was good...
[apart from chrome] which shouldn;t be used as it holds the heat... I found that out later....
but many engine builders in the USA use them on all their race engines etc...
I don't think they need to be tied with wire as they are a tight fit.... they won't rattle...
the original ones were more likely to rattle...
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| posted on February 2nd, 2007 at 09:11 AM |
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posted by VWCOOL
What do you mean by the doghouse runs hot?
Usual problem with the bigger fan not being able to get enough air in the smaller engine bay.
& before you sell me some hoodjax, I'm one of those who doesn't like "the look" LoL.
Matt.
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yeah no worries, make sure you remove the factory soundproofing panel too
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| posted on February 2nd, 2007 at 10:38 AM |
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Anecdotes
Matt,
Here you are :
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=102077
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=129837
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=144092
Regards
Ctefeh
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| posted on February 2nd, 2007 at 10:50 AM |
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Good find, Cef
My interpretation: With a Beetle's stock under-engine tin, the T3 stuff is redundant
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| posted on February 2nd, 2007 at 11:46 AM |
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I have read somewhere that dealers were recomended not to fit these to type one (upright) engines when they came out, that they were only intended for
the type 3 pancake motor.
Cooling issues you have are likely to be caused by insufficient air entering the engine bay... maybe use a convertible lid? or jack it up slightly at
the bottom, i have done this to my beetle(65 aussie) and it runs fine with a dual port/doghouse.
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| posted on February 2nd, 2007 at 02:30 PM |
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Best to open the top of the engione lid...
the air flows over the roof into the engine bay...
naturally this works better with vents in the engine lid so air can also exit....
big turn over of fresh air.... and engine bay keeps much cooler..
At least in summer....
I know it doesn';t look good....
but its better for your engine.... IMHO...
Lee
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| posted on February 2nd, 2007 at 11:51 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by 68AutoBug
Best to open the top of the engione lid...
the air flows over the roof into the engine bay...
naturally this works better with vents in the engine lid so air can also exit....
big turn over of fresh air.... and engine bay keeps much cooler..
At least in summer....
I know it doesn';t look good....
but its better for your engine.... IMHO...
Lee
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Hoodjax! :thumb
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| posted on February 3rd, 2007 at 08:44 AM |
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ctefeh,
Thanks for those links, in one of them there were some comments from Jake Raby, who had actually done the experiment with different tins on the dyno.
I'ts always good to find info that's not based on assumptions and/or hearsay.
I think I'll get me some stock under barrell tin.
Matt.
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