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Vintage VeeDub Wide 5 Disc Brake Install
I finally gave up on trying to get my '64 Karmann Ghia to stop nicely with the stock drum brakes, It would only pass the brake meter test at rego
time if I adjusted the brakes up so tight that you couldn't push the car, and the brakes were not in bad condition.
Stock drums
I decided to fit a Vintage VeeDub Supplies wide 5 disc brake kit. it bolts onto a stock king and link front end and moves the front track 6mm inward
on each side, a bonus with a Ghia and alloy wheels.
This is the kit, has everything you need, I gave the discs a quick coat of black paint before I installed them.
The kit is very easy to install, everything bolts up as it should, didn't have to modify or clearance anything.
Caliper braket bolts to the original backing plate bolt holes.
The wide 5 disc in place, kit also comes with these cool alloy pinch nuts that replace the original double nut system.
Caliper is a PBR unit and bolts up neatly with new flexible lines that are supplied in the kit.
The discs are nice and thick, the kit weighs about 2.5kgs heavier each side than the stock drums and backing plates do, the So-Cal kit is very heavy
at about 5-6Kg heavier each side.
A shot from under the front, Pads use all the disc unlike my CB kit which uses about 80% if the disc, a very poor design the rest is just extra weight
unused.
I retained the original single circuit master cylinder as it is not very old, the new brakes blead up very easily and gave better pedal than the drums
ever did straight up.
After a quick blat around the block to bed the pads in I couldn't be happier with this kit, it has changed the feel of the car, it stops smoothly
without the drum brake shudder and feels a lot safer, the extra 6mm in off set also stops the front tyre picking up on the guard in tight turns.
It was a pleasure to fit a kit that required nothing, just a very simple bolt off and bolt on, and modify nothing.
I have fitted a So-Cal kit before, they are very heavy, and it didn't bolt up with out modification. I had to tap some wheel stud threads as they
were missed when manufactured.
I also have a CB performance alloy wide 5 kit on my Beetle, the disc and hub are good but the rest is just crap, the front calipers are Brazilian junk
and flex so badly when you hit the brakes you cannot get a hard pedal.
The VVD Kit may cost a little more, but it is much better, well designed and simple to fit.
Sorry if this all sounds like an advert for Vintage Vee Dub but I had a great morning in the shed fitting this up and it works better than I expected
it would.
Dave
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| posted on August 16th, 2008 at 09:19 PM |
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Dave,
Looks like a nice piece of kit. I wonder how much price difference there is with this kit and the CSP one?
Just one thing, with disk brakes I think you need to change the master cylinder. Drum brakes retain some residual pressure so there isn't as much
pedal travel when you hit the brakes. Disk brake masters have a valve on the front circuit to let the calipers return fully.
Cheers
Steve
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| posted on August 16th, 2008 at 10:36 PM |
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Hi
Nice to hear a good story about modified VW parts, Birchall must be asleep or up the pub. A 1500 dual circuit master would be a good addition.
Steve
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| posted on August 17th, 2008 at 01:06 AM |
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I installed these on my beetle 18 months ago and I would advise this as the best mod you can do for the early beetle.
I have owned and daily driven early beetles and spilts for 30 years and agree wit Menangler re the VVDS KIT. 40 Mins install and the early beetle
finally stops like a new car
I also have dual circuit Master cylinder and Type three rears on my 65 and I recommend these for all earlys
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worth heaps nowadays
p.s the best mod you can do is great insuance
If you bump into an antique porsche full of barristers, be assured will be very expensive.
in the legal world, the person with the least money loses
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| posted on August 17th, 2008 at 07:32 AM |
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so Dave you sound so happy with your brakes that you need one of these shirts.....
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=70873
any T-shirt people out there want to print them?
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| posted on August 17th, 2008 at 08:49 AM |
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mine didn't come from VVDS, but i have had some trouble keeping those pinch nuts on............the allen key lock bolts needs to be really tight.
check them guys.
nice kit there, wish i was still wide five with this sort of stuff available.
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| posted on August 17th, 2008 at 09:10 AM |
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Nice setup, whats the kit sell for?
65 Meyers Manx
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| posted on August 17th, 2008 at 11:39 AM |
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Looking good Dave, I've never known you to slow a car down. Getting Old.
Your ghia seriously rocks, makes me miss mine.
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| posted on August 17th, 2008 at 12:23 PM |
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This is the same kit I fitted to my '63 project Beetle, and I agree with Dave that VVDS supply this kit for easy installation. This kit also doesn't
widen the wheel track. A twin circuit master cylinder is definitely the best bet with front disc brakes.
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| posted on August 17th, 2008 at 01:58 PM |
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lots of developement there
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| posted on August 17th, 2008 at 05:16 PM |
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Out of interest the cap seems to sit a long way from the face - or does it just look different
Can you keep say caps on BRMs??
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| posted on August 18th, 2008 at 07:05 AM |
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No, not standard BRM flat caps. You'll need to source 'middle sized' centre caps. They are available, but you will have to shop around. I tried
buying some tall centre caps, usually sold for buses, and cutting them down to size, but the finish wasn't perfect.
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| posted on August 18th, 2008 at 12:16 PM |
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Dave (Birchall) , do you know if Boris has any plans to make these up for a splitty?
Thanks
Steve
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| posted on August 18th, 2008 at 12:58 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by hellbugged
mine didn't come from VVDS, but i have had some trouble keeping those pinch nuts on............the allen key lock bolts needs to be really tight.
check them guys.
nice kit there, wish i was still wide five with this sort of stuff available.
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You can buy a good hi-po late Beetle (four stud or Porsche pattern) vented package 
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| posted on August 18th, 2008 at 01:40 PM |
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Steve
I will ask the question but i dont think so due to cost involved in patterns, casting and machining
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| posted on April 22nd, 2009 at 06:15 PM |
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Does anybody know how these brakes compare to the Volksconversion / John Sherman wide 5 kit?
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| posted on April 22nd, 2009 at 07:14 PM |
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theres no comparision these work as they were designed to do
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| posted on April 26th, 2009 at 10:34 AM |
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Do you know if these are available to suit the early type 3? ('65) I have a set of '69 disc brake spindles/calipers I could use but would like to
stay with the wide 5 pattern.
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| posted on April 26th, 2009 at 11:09 AM |
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I wonder if these could be machined so that they would fit on a splitty. I expect that the spindle hole would have to be opened up to accept the
bigger splitty bearings, and a new caliper bracket making up. I wonder if Boris will have a set at the Nationals?
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| posted on April 26th, 2009 at 04:07 PM |
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Steve
from memory i think the splitty stub axle is longer so it wouldnt fit in the hole
Also the bearings are bigger in dia so there may not be enough meat to allow the fit
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| posted on April 26th, 2009 at 04:28 PM |
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whats the kit worth dave? is there a rear kit available too?
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| posted on April 27th, 2009 at 07:47 AM |
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I dont know what the kit is worth ring the shop for a price
Yes they can build you a rear set up as well
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| posted on April 27th, 2009 at 10:25 AM |
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Don't quote me on this, but when I was in the shop last I think its was about $1300. But as Dave said, ring the shop to be sure.
Kevin
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| posted on February 4th, 2011 at 09:47 AM |
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Does anyone know if this kit be used with 2.5" drop spindles?
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| posted on February 4th, 2011 at 11:45 AM |
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I asked Boris the same question it needs to be used with stock VW spindles
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| posted on February 4th, 2011 at 02:59 PM |
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Does anyone know if this kit be used with 2.5" drop spindles?
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No they wont fit with drop spindles as the disc will rub
However they will fit with either a stock or narrowed beam fitted with adjusters to lower
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