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| posted on November 3rd, 2008 at 08:46 AM |
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Scat's Watercooled Killer
I thought I would post a couple of scans
courtesy of Hot VWs Mag from March 1978.
There was some interest generated about this from Ian Swinkles' post
when he began modifying his heads to water cool them.
Of interest was this was before VW develped their Wasserboxer engine, but very similar if you know what I mean.
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| posted on November 3rd, 2008 at 08:53 AM |
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That's mad Alan.
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| posted on November 3rd, 2008 at 11:27 AM |
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Cool Dave. Thanks. Will make for some interesting reading 
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| posted on November 3rd, 2008 at 10:13 PM |
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Impressive alright. Rare as hens teeth now i'll bet. Seems a lot of cool parts were made back in the 70's for the vw scene, many by scat before
they went cheap to the chinese market.
If only they'd break out the designs for some of their old school performance parts again like this and their split port heads and killer cases. Not
enough people into vw's to make it profitable now though i guess.
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| posted on November 5th, 2008 at 06:45 AM |
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heheh...yes very interesting thanks Dave. kinda blurs the line if you were a VW purist(which i'm not) ...like it would be ok if you had scat case
crank rods and watercooled blocks and heads...good thing some japanese engineers didn't read about that wonder what those japanese gentlemen would name their project...hmm scatveedubyou...what could we
shorten that to?
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| posted on November 5th, 2008 at 06:53 AM |
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...good thing some japanese engineers didn't read about that wonder
what those japanese gentlemen would name their project...hmm
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Subaru.
Actually I think the VW engineers copied the Scat Engine,
and Subaru's early(EA82) crankshaft design when they made the Wasser Boxer.
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| posted on November 5th, 2008 at 10:45 AM |
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I don't know why everyone in VW circles gets so cranked up about subarus? Seems like the obvious next step VW/scat never took.
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| posted on November 5th, 2008 at 10:55 AM |
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Do I sound "cranked up"?
I am not.
Not my cup of tea, but nothing wrong with Japanese technology.
Some say the Japs copied the Germans,
but the way I see it, the Germans did some copying of their own with the Wasser.
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| posted on November 5th, 2008 at 01:16 PM |
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Oh yeah - credit were credit is due - the Japanese are BRILLIANT at refining and evolving almost any kind of technology, and in the process making it
more affordable and widely available.
Subaru and AWD are I think the perfect example at that... Audi essentially pioneer'ed it, but it's definitely Subaru that's made it main-stream.
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| posted on November 5th, 2008 at 01:16 PM |
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It seems to be a fine line with the purists between what is acceptable and what isnt with regards to air cooled and performance. There are brands
like Gene Berg, Scat and Bugpack that are the corner stones in air cooled hot-rodding from back in the 70's. And while these are acceptable to most
purists, the later two brands are making too many parts in china these days to really hold any loyalty to the real purists I think.
Reading the technical archives on how gene berg approached making performance engines, his approach too cooling, displacement increases etc seems to
be a very purist method.
Now days though you can have a 95mm ln engineering nikasil cylinder and reliably make far more power with higher compression engines than was thought
possible years ago. I'll bet the purists won't use an LN engineering product though. Probably because there is no warm and fuzzy feelings from the
70's and Berg's VW factory training backing up the LN engineering product development.
I suspect that gene berg would have never developed anything that was water cooled, and when scat did in the minds of many vw enthuesiests that line
was crossed.
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| posted on November 5th, 2008 at 02:44 PM |
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I think Gene Berg ran Nikasil's in '93 or '94.
So what who engineers it, if it works........use it.
I recently coated some engine parts and the difference in temperature is obvious, therefore we increase the comp for more power and the temps stay
within an acceptable limit.
Its using what is available within a buget for an outcome.
Lots of factors that are different....but the Volksie's holds us all together.
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| posted on November 5th, 2008 at 04:06 PM |
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Hi
I had many conversations with Gene Berg about the WBX motor when he was in Australia. He actually fitted one of his strocker cranks to his personal
WBX Vanagon.
I think given more time he would have done more with these motors.
Steve
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| posted on May 2nd, 2009 at 08:16 AM |
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I have a complete scat water cooled motor under my bench,
must get it out one day....
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| posted on May 2nd, 2009 at 08:46 AM |
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Can you share some history?
Was it used for racing or aircraft use?
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| posted on May 2nd, 2009 at 05:41 PM |
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i dont have any issues with subaru engines in vws, but i really like staying with the orginal format and making it perform as best as possible. It
makes for a good stir after beating a late model car and the most common comment made is it must have a porsche or wrx engine, but when they find out
its still vw they cant believe it...
[size=6] BEING ASPIRATED FEELS GREAT BUT BEING BLOWN TAKES THING TO A WHOLE NEWLEVEL...[/size].
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| posted on May 2nd, 2009 at 06:03 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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i dont have any issues with subaru engines in vws, but i really like staying with the orginal format and making it perform as best as possible. It
makes for a good stir after beating a late model car and the most common comment made is it must have a porsche or wrx engine, but when they find out
its still vw they cant believe it...
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Having one of each is the best of both worlds for me... But I tell you, I'm more interested in making my aircooled go a little harder for the exact
reason you suggest, it is still very much a VW inspired engine, even if it is full of aftermarket parts.
Go the Aircooled volksies, and those with other motorvations 
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| posted on May 2nd, 2009 at 07:33 PM |
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i just love upsetting these young uni students that mum and dad by them a new wrx and they think they cant be beaten, the look on there face is
priceless
[size=6] BEING ASPIRATED FEELS GREAT BUT BEING BLOWN TAKES THING TO A WHOLE NEWLEVEL...[/size].
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| posted on May 2nd, 2009 at 08:35 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Can you share some history?
Was it used for racing or aircraft use?
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I bought it about 9 years ago, who raced it on autotrails, he wone quite a lot of races with it.
He ran oil through the case insted of water, i think this was to protect the case from corrosion.
it came with all the hilborn injection ready to go. but my car evolved past this motor so it never got used.
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| posted on May 3rd, 2009 at 07:31 PM |
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Would love to see some pics of this baby that's for sure!!
[size=4] ACCEPT THAT SOME DAYS YOU ARE THE PIDGEON AND SOME DAYS YOU ARE THE STATUE[/size]
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