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 Paulc1964au
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| posted on July 17th, 2011 at 12:14 PM |
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what engine did you purchase / build
Looking long term to upgrade my motor or replace with a new engine, here are the parameters i wish to achieve
1. Must blow away the following cars
Camo's 61
Mick's 56
Any local hoon in there modified commodore, etc
Seriously though I'm thinking about a 1916 with lots of low down grunt rather than a speed demon on the freeway.
so far the options i see are
1. New engine from CBB
2. A Stan Pobjoy build
3. Rebuilding my 1600TP
Am open to any other suggestions
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| posted on July 17th, 2011 at 12:25 PM |
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you left out one option.
2.4L t4 with dells. thats what im thinking of for my next one.
try having a chat to richard at vforce about the difference between t1 and t4 you would be surprised.
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| posted on July 17th, 2011 at 12:27 PM |
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Who's Stan pobje?
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| posted on July 17th, 2011 at 12:38 PM |
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Who's Stan pobje?
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i always do that lol thanks
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| posted on July 17th, 2011 at 01:05 PM |
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How hard is it to fit a type 4 engine into a type 1?
Will a standard type 1 gearbox/suspension cope with something like a 2l type 4 engine? Do I have to chop away the engine bay or anything of the
sort?
I've seen it happen all to often and am considering doing it myself when money permits.
Maybe my tax can go towards it! 
Sorry to hijack this thread, I'm curious as well :P
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| posted on July 17th, 2011 at 01:38 PM |
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bolts straight up to the stock late model box, no cutting required. ive been running the stock rear suspension for about 5 years now with no real
problem, im about to upgrade to heavier torsion bars
does require the cooling system to be converted to upright though.
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| posted on July 17th, 2011 at 01:51 PM |
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48 IDA equipped 2276...
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| posted on July 17th, 2011 at 02:01 PM |
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Hmm, looks very doable.
Is there any threads on here that document the requirements/procedure of installing one or has no one actually documented it?
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| posted on July 17th, 2011 at 02:16 PM |
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I'm sure people have documented it, it's been done a few times!
They've got some good torquey grunt too!
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| posted on July 17th, 2011 at 02:28 PM |
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It's been done plenty of times, I keep seeing them done and I might as well take the plunge too.
Gives me something to work towards anyway!
I'll have to do some searching around to see if I can find anything 
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| posted on July 17th, 2011 at 02:29 PM |
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heres a few. the second one the title is wrong its t4
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=28504
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=45759
and finally mine
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=25214
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| posted on July 17th, 2011 at 02:37 PM |
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Thanks Baris,
Will take a look at them all now and see what I'll need to save up for
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| posted on July 17th, 2011 at 02:38 PM |
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i went for a spin in my mates 2.7 ltr t4.the other day..wow...wholy torque......it has 150 whp with low comp and only 44idfs .....very fun...third
gear wheel spins....the heads are not welded.....
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| posted on July 17th, 2011 at 08:05 PM |
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Hi guys
More than happy with the engine in my bug
2332 with 48's (150hp at wheels)
Great to drive at all speeds. Then has enough power to upset the w@nkers in their turbo or v8 powered cars. They get a shock when a 41 year old bug
blows them away.
I can recommend you go and talk to the guys @ CCB. They were great with me and kept me informed all the time and sent pics and video's that I asked
them to take for me.
More than happy to answer and questions you may have.
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| posted on July 17th, 2011 at 08:16 PM |
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Stroker Type 1 definitely.
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| posted on July 17th, 2011 at 09:44 PM |
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Who are CCB and do they have a web site and contacts?
Thanks
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| posted on July 17th, 2011 at 09:48 PM |
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Who are CCB and do they have a web site and contacts?
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CBB
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| posted on July 17th, 2011 at 09:59 PM |
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Sorry it should have been
CBB
http://www.cbbvw.com.au
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| posted on July 18th, 2011 at 07:39 AM |
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I guess the other option is getting a list of parts and i can purchase at my leisure then have my 1600 twin port built to a 1916?
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| posted on July 18th, 2011 at 08:04 AM |
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Hardly worth using your existing engine parts with price and avIlavility of good quality new parts
Start from scratch
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| posted on July 18th, 2011 at 08:40 AM |
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The fastest non turbo air cooled Beetle at Wakefield was a Type 1 Stroker of around 1995cc , Belongs to Troy Trager.
Troy beat all the type 4 engines including a 2.7 litre Aero guard equipped bug wih huge wheel , tyres and brakes.
A similar result was seen a Valla recently with the type 1 engines dominating all results.
Type 4 engines are too old, all the crankcases are stuffed, also the heads fall to pieces.
The 2litre cranks and porche rods are getting harder to re-use.
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| posted on July 18th, 2011 at 08:43 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by hellbugged
Hardly worth using your existing engine parts with price and avIlavility of good quality new parts
Start from scratch
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More often than not, very few major components will be useable from your current engine, so if your wanting a performance build, build from scratch,
then you may as well use a stroker crank and build a 2.0+ .... and you get to keep driving your car while you plan, save, purchase and build the new
engine.
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| posted on July 18th, 2011 at 09:41 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by hellbugged
Hardly worth using your existing engine parts with price and avIlavility of good quality new parts
Start from scratch
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x2
More often than not, very few major components will be useable from your current engine, so if your wanting a performance build, build from scratch,
then you may as well use a stroker crank and build a 2.0+ .... and you get to keep driving your car while you plan, save, purchase and build the new
engine.
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Ok i'm not real bright can you explain what a stroker engine is please?
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| posted on July 18th, 2011 at 09:56 AM |
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Keep in mind this is my weekend car and has a 1500 gearbox don't want a race car just something to surprise those at the lights lol
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| posted on July 18th, 2011 at 11:37 AM |
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| Quote: | Ok i'm not real
bright can you explain what a stroker engine is please?
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Hmm, that means I'm not too bright also.
I asked the same question not too long ago, it is an engine with a different crank shaft giving the pistons a longer "stroke" (least I think that is
what it is.)
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| posted on July 18th, 2011 at 11:47 AM |
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Your on to it Donn. 
Maybe I was thinking of another thread, thought a big engine was a possibility, no worries, even a stock stroke can give the locals a wake up.
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by johny rotten
The fastest non turbo air cooled Beetle at Wakefield was a Type 1 Stroker of around 1995cc , Belongs to Troy Trager.
Troy beat all the type 4 engines including a 2.7 litre Aero guard equipped bug wih huge wheel , tyres and brakes.
A similar result was seen a Valla recently with the type 1 engines dominating all results.
Type 4 engines are too old, all the crankcases are stuffed, also the heads fall to pieces.
The 2litre cranks and porche rods are getting harder to re-use.
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the same configuration in the yellow bug when it was in the previous car was a lot quicker. as they have only just put together the
yellow one.
remember the green but that was 3 seconds slower than a gt3 around oran park? thats a t4 naturally aspirated
heres the link to it racing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGlJXHu6YNg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDfPCT2-ZOQ
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| posted on July 18th, 2011 at 06:26 PM |
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So I assume a stroker engine is really more for racing or drag racing rather than for a daily?
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| posted on July 18th, 2011 at 06:29 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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the same configuration in the yellow bug when it was in the previous car was a lot quicker. as they have only just put together the yellow one.
remember the green but that was 3 seconds slower than a gt3 around oran park? thats a t4 naturally aspirated
heres the link to it racing.
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Dont get suckered into the "gt3" comparison crap......it was most likely driven by some old business man on a "porsche club day". 95% of the cars
on those club days are being driven at about 60% of what they are capable of  .
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| posted on July 18th, 2011 at 06:36 PM |
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So I assume a stroker engine is really more for racing or drag racing rather than for a daily?
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Absolutely not.
The longer stroke gives more torque (good for a daily driven car) and more cubic inches (engine capacity cc's) means 'easier' horsepower: i.e. you
don't need to rev the engine as hard to produce the power as a smaller stroke.
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