any chance of getting those pics up Glenn?
I will check the bolt spacing on the caliper carriers tonight, I promise
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VWCOOL wrote:Oops sorry for this late reply; I was away for all of April and didn't know this here, no I haven't done a 'wide five' kit as most people who want performance (rather than 'style' - IYKWIM) choose a four-stud car (1968-on/Super/L-bug) to modify. Try Vintage VW Supplies in Sydney for a wide-five kit - they have done the hard work
Drop spindles: No, my big brakes are 'built' on standard spindles - BJ, L-Bug or Super 3-bolt - only
shame your brakes won't go on a wide 5. they look good. and Vintage VW need to do something about there website. it's terrible. no proper listing of stock or modified parts so who knows what they stock??
what did you machine the hub from? billet ali or some other type of alloy? wouldn't mind getting behind a lathe to have a play for wide 5's cos the CSP and Empi kits are rather expensive.
madness is in the eye of the beholder 👍
hey glenn, in in the neighbourhood once again, however my stubs are currently in penrith, hoping to get to yours on tuesday. will call once i have the stubs in my possession 👍
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Hiya dude,
I'm just curious about braking efficiency between your 290mm vented discs and CSP's 278mm vented disc for using with the wide 5's.
My question is do you think that a 278mm vented disc could cope with a WRX conversion. As we know the larger the disc then the more braking torque you get so obviously yours will perform better than the CSP kit but do you think the CSP could handle a WRX with decent calipers?
I like the wide 5 steel rims and wish to retain them but with decent, and I mean decent, vented discs under them.
Personally I don't think much of CSP's choice of caliper. From memory they are crap with fairly small square pads compared to other types of floating single pot calipers with much greater pad surface area. Unfortunately, I don't think the hub and rotor can be bought seperately. If they do, fancy helping to develop the CSP kit with a better caliper?
and I'd just like to say that if I had a later model bug I'd so buy your kit 🙂
madness is in the eye of the beholder 👍
Simitar,
My brakes are based on Aussie-made components specified for Aussie V8 sedans. Pad area is around double that of standard VW, disc mass is approximately double and features venting so the brakes can deal with (and dissipate) far more braking energy than a standard Beetle.
No plans for a wide five vented kit sorry, as people who are willing to go fast enough to need a vented front brake on a spindly old link pin chassis needs simply don't exist! 🤪
Pay your debts, CxxT
VWCOOL wrote:Simitar,
My brakes are based on Aussie-made components specified for Aussie V8 sedans. Pad area is around double that of standard VW, disc mass is approximately double and features venting so the brakes can deal with (and dissipate) far more braking energy than a standard Beetle.
No plans for a wide five vented kit sorry, as people who are willing to go fast enough to need a vented front brake on a spindly old link pin chassis needs simply don't exist! 🤪
Well said!
T54
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VWCOOL wrote:Simitar,
My brakes are based on Aussie-made components specified for Aussie V8 sedans. Pad area is around double that of standard VW, disc mass is approximately double and features venting so the brakes can deal with (and dissipate) far more braking energy than a standard Beetle.
No plans for a wide five vented kit sorry, as people who are willing to go fast enough to need a vented front brake on a spindly old link pin chassis needs simply don't exist! 🤪
ah, so you don't think the link pin spindle assembly can handle the larger braking force? I'm just doing some investigating and I like trying to keep things sorta original but with added performance hence keep the link pin.
Thing is why would CSP and EMPI develop these kits if the link spindle is weak?
if you take the spindle out of the equation do you think vented 278mm rotors can handle WRX power? Thats my main question. I like the 'sleeper' look. looks standard on the outside but is all beefed up underneath and really like the look of wide 5's and chrome caps hence why I'm trying to see if I can have my cake and eat it
🙂madness is in the eye of the beholder 👍
VWCOOL wrote:as people who are willing to go fast enough to need a vented front brake on a spindly old link pin chassis needs simply don't exist! 🤪
pffft
😏.......could have sold me two sets by now
VWCOOL wrote:.... as people who are willing to go fast enough to need a vented front brake on a spindly old link pin chassis needs simply don't exist! 🤪
You are kidding right?... LP beams are loads stronger than BJ beams to start.... That's why they are still the preferred beam and spindle used in Off road buggies across the globe... Or maybe you are referring to the challenges of making a LP equipped car handle?... It's not too tough to do either... If you know the tricks.....
But then again.... Maybe your comment is designed to get a rise out of someone?
😘exactly humpty, on both points........he'll keep😏........
mmmm I was wondering when someone was gonna state the obvious.
Alloy beams..... ie. drag racing, ie. very fast, are only available in linkpin....
They all have thier place.😁
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humpty wrote:VWCOOL wrote:.... as people who are willing to go fast enough to need a vented front brake on a spindly old link pin chassis needs simply don't exist! 🤪
You are kidding right?... LP beams are loads stronger than BJ beams to start.... That's why they are still the preferred beam and spindle used in Off road buggies across the globe... Or maybe you are referring to the challenges of making a LP equipped car handle?... It's not too tough to do either... If you know the tricks.....
But then again.... Maybe your comment is designed to get a rise out of someone?
😘
I didn't know this humpty, much obliged. The earlier bugs are new to me so I'm still learning. Would you like me to start a new thread for this topic as I'm very interested and even more so from what you have just told me.
madness is in the eye of the beholder 👍
psimitar wrote:humpty wrote:VWCOOL wrote:.... as people who are willing to go fast enough to need a vented front brake on a spindly old link pin chassis needs simply don't exist! 🤪
You are kidding right?... LP beams are loads stronger than BJ beams to start.... That's why they are still the preferred beam and spindle used in Off road buggies across the globe... Or maybe you are referring to the challenges of making a LP equipped car handle?... It's not too tough to do either... If you know the tricks.....
But then again.... Maybe your comment is designed to get a rise out of someone?
😘
I didn't know this humpty, much obliged. The earlier bugs are new to me so I'm still learning. Would you like me to start a new thread for this topic as I'm very interested and even more so from what you have just told me.
I've had this debate with the Sydney crowd for years.... Back in the early 90's I lived over that way and all the guys wanted to stick BJ pans with IRS rears under their early cars (Bugs and Bus' alike)... And they didn't get why I stuck with the 'standard' set-up... All I can say, to each their own... I, like a lot of dubbers, like to do things differently... Glenn has built some great brake packages here... Mine work very well too... But he's gone the extra yard to make them available to a market sector that he see's as viable...
The rest of you that want 'wide 5' disc brakes can do as I did and make your own, or buy one of the kits on the market... It's that simple.... If someone was to start a handling thread for LP/Swingaxle cars, I'll be there... This thread is to support Glenn's brake packages
humpty wrote:VWCOOL wrote:.... as people who are willing to go fast enough to need a vented front brake on a spindly old link pin chassis needs simply don't exist! 🤪
You are kidding right?... LP beams are loads stronger than BJ beams to start.... That's why they are still the preferred beam and spindle used in Off road buggies across the globe... Or maybe you are referring to the challenges of making a LP equipped car handle?... It's not too tough to do either... If you know the tricks.....
But then again.... Maybe your comment is designed to get a rise out of someone?
😘
Link pins have thier place (and get plenty of respect from me) but a BJ front has stiffer shock towers, wider (therefore tougher) tube and bolt spacings on the chassis head and far fatter forgings for the suspension arms, a stronger hub/spindle and bigger stub for the wheel bearings.
Link pin architecture may be favoured in off-road - that's for its suspension travel, not strength: There is no travel limitation imposed by the balljoints getting to the end of thier 'swing'. Off-road race beams these days are all built from aftermarket gear with bigger/stronger cross sections, longer arms, wider tracks and super-duper metals.
It doesn't take much to flex a spindly standard Beetle link pin front end on good tyres which is why one of the 'tricks' is to run significant neg camber - to compensate for flex. Look at a 'retro' race Beetle front-on cornering shot - the outside front will usually be 'rolling over' or 'tucking under'.
OE Balljoint arms are around double the strength of ink pin items and the beam they work with is stiffer. No flop, no slop, better roadholding and handling
🙂Pay your debts, CxxT
Cool. I like this discussion. Lots of interesting stuff to learn that I didn't know.
I like when people give there knowledge of things so that others may learn and be able to make more educated decisions instead of being told only one thing and so buying that.
I really appreciate this as all I want is to be able to modify my bug in the best way that my knowledge will let me yet end up with a vehicle that is safe but fun to drive 😎
madness is in the eye of the beholder 👍
chasing the size of the piston in the BIG falcon rears... would rather not take mine apart again if someone knows what they are?
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2yrs on & theres still customer service 😀 love it
oh glenn whats the shocks on the bug with the pic of the rear brakes?? should of asked on the phone!😂
Volkswagen Drivers Club of Queensland - member 🙂
STIDUB - yep its still a work in progress
Vwdcq club car racing/ and crashing while my bug isn't finished.
The above are personal views, no more, no less
Hey,
Whats the price on these kits? looking at type 3 front and rear 130 4 VW pattern.
also hand brake cables? kit for type 3 have em?
Cheers,
Vlad.
71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE
best bet is to call glenn, hes not on the forum much these days i dont think 🙂
oh, and stock handbrake cables fit the rear kit 👍
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The above are personal views, no more, no less
STIDUB wrote:best bet is to call glenn, hes not on the forum much these days i dont think 🙂
oh, and stock handbrake cables fit the rear kit 👍
OMG thats awesome
🤪
71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE
So is Glenn still doing these?
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STIDUB - yep its still a work in progress
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The above are personal views, no more, no less
I disigned and built my own four wheel disc brake conversion on my 60 beetle, on the front i used a readly available light weight four spot caliper running on 300 MM vented rotors, i machined the billet hubs and all the brackets to suit, on the rear i used a ford caliper also running on a 300 MM vented rotor,these are fully engineered and were tested thoughly by the automotive engineer that i worked with, calculations were done to determine what calipers would give the correct brake bias without the need to have a bias valve or a change of master cylinder, the pedal pressure required to stop the car is minimal with a very progressive feel, if you really push it the fronts will lock just before the rears, people talk about over braking the beetle,if the bias is incorrect this will happen, in my car you can brake very heavly from 160 KLM per hour with out any wheel lock up and wipe the speed of very quickly, you can also brake heavly into corner's with out front wheel lock up and still have good steering, i know a vw person with a early convertable running a 2275 with the standard front and rear drum brake's and his statement to me was that you can lock the wheels with the drums and that disc's were a waste of time, that's the last thing that you need to happen.
I can afford a set by the end of the year. both front and rear for my notch. Just waiting for the drop spindles to be done by Bert3.
thats nearly 800 buks alone 😂 awesome😁
hmm I wonder if PBR still make these calipers? they have em on there website!?
I think the fronts are B843-145-PL and B843-146-PL.
71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE
have you spoken to Glenn with these grand plans?..........although he has done some kits for type 3's, they are a special order. the stubs have to be sent in for modifying and you may find this may not work with spindles of dubious quality or drop spindles period.
FYI
Has the modification of the stub axle been engineered and approved
Glenn is doing my type 3 right now. Rears went straight on but fronts didn't fit with lower arm in the way. He is re-engineering bracket mounts right now for them - so the answer is yes he sells for type 3 also.
I would email him as he doesn't cruise AVD much, and possibly at the end of run for brake kits, but hey if you order now you never know.
What I can say though is that this package is unreal!
Has anyone started a tech thread for LP vs BJ?🥷
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yes i have to email him then.
this is the spindles I'll be getting.
see the stock on the ground compared to the drop spindles on the car.
I have measured the stock spindles against the same holden calipers and yes there is ample room.
71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE
I would doubt they will fit. The lower arm and the tie rod is the problem - these calipers are designed to just get in there. At a very minimum you would have to send your spindles to GT to get re-machined and modified which means cutting some meat out of them.
