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| posted on June 30th, 2010 at 11:07 AM |
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As requested guys.
1967, 1600.
Iv cleared off the last few didgits as im not sure if i should be giving all of them out in a public forum..
Cheers Vice
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Hmm..this is interesting news.
The plate that's spot welded onto the front of mine says 316 7639
Had a twin port 1600 dual carb engine although EFI was available in '68.
Front discs were standard in 68 weren't they? I got no heated seats either..a real runt of the litter so to speak. 
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If there were heated seats here in Type 3s Toby they were rarer than rocking horse $hit!! During the 60s and 70s I never came across one car with
them installed and I drove VWs both Bugs and Type 3s from 1964 through 1984 continually. You hear of these things these days and far too many think
that was normal for the day. Definitely not!
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Great Vice.
What I know about these numbers is.
The Chassis No. on the Vin plate the first 2 digits means type3 the 3rd means 1967
The Body No. 316 means Notchback
The Engine No. T0 means 1600 Type3 and that would be a 1967 engine.
Anyone know more about these numbers?
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Hmm..this is interesting news.
The plate that's spot welded onto the front of mine says 316 7639
Had a twin port 1600 dual carb engine although EFI was available in '68.
Front discs were standard in 68 weren't they? I got no heated seats either..a real runt of the litter so to speak.
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If there were heated seats here in Type 3s Toby they were rarer than rocking horse $hit!! During the 60s and 70s I never came across one car with
them installed and I drove VWs both Bugs and Type 3s from 1964 through 1984 continually. You hear of these things these days and far too many think
that was normal for the day. Definitely not!
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I seen a part for heated seat on samba last week. I did not know anything about them before that. COOL and warm.
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all this information is very usefull .i have never been able to get the year of my notch's(3)now i know how
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Apparently at the end of Aussie cars they made many variations. Does your car have a fuel flap?
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I have the fuel flap that you open with your finger.
I did not realize until a week ago when I saw a FB that the later cars also have a flap release cable under the dash. All modern conveniences in 1970.
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1969 year model had the fuel door release inside.
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Is this some kind of leaver ?? Mines just a pipe with a cap inside the bonet boot thingy Correct name ?? does this mean you can fill without popping
the hood ?? I love the looks when i do at the petrol station..
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Australian 1966 Type3 TS Fastback
Chassis No. 316 271 243
Body No. 312 00259x
Engine No. TO 156 1xx
1600 single port
VW. Model 312S
First registed 11/66 Stated valve $2425 + $55.40 Rego
Polar White
Note: Tail lights are wrong wrong (In Australia Flat Lenses came on 63's, 1500N and Panel Van)
Australian Fastback interior. Similar to German 1966 Fastback, Squareback and Notchback one year only door trim. Did Aussie Fasty's have interior
like this to Dec 68?
Note: Wrong T1 ignition switch and windshield wiper switch fitted by previous owner.
Australia only TS Badges
Clear Blinker Lensers in 66. Fastbacks had over riders , bonet mistache and wrap around binkers. Body No. 312 00 259x Does the 00 mean this option and
could you option a Square and Notch Like this?
Standard Cigarette Lighter in Fastys.
Also Mine has the Airflow Radio
Wide 5 drum brakes. Painted centre in the hubcap for the last year in 1966. No disc brakes till 69? on fastys for Australia.
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Wow,
If the V30 was the Panel Van I would never have thought there were 516 of them produced at Clayton
Total production for V30 in 1966 was 61 units so that meant the other 455 were produced prior to December 1965.
How many panels still exist if there were 516 units produced. ?
Makes them rarer than the Country Buggy where 878 units were produced for the Australian market.
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I was just reading Aaron Britcher's fantastic sticky tread on samba " Type 3 Panel Van Nirvana" and in it he said V30 Panel Vans are CKD. In it
also, there is information about Panel Van Body Numbers. If you have a 65-66 Squareback and your Body No. starts with PV you have a Panel Van!!!!
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This is a fuel flap from a 69 on Type3 that you open from the inside of the car with a pull knob. A 68 fuel flap has a finger indent and you open it
from the outside of the car.
If your car has one of these it is a CKD or fully imported car.
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Thanks for the pic of the fuel filler.. Cool feature... i still love popping th hood to fill up tho.
Also added some other pics showing all my models features.
Would be great if we could get these pics for all years.. Great guide for a prospective type 3 buyer.
Cheers Vice
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"Clear Blinker Lensers in 66. Fastbacks had over riders , bonet mistache and wrap around binkers. Body No. 312 00 259x Does the 00 mean this option
and could you option a Square and Notch Like this?"
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Squares and Notches assembled here had none of this trim until 1969.
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| posted on July 1st, 2010 at 04:03 PM |
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Im working on it just trying to locate all photos needed.
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posted by vicelore
Thanks for the pic of the fuel filler.. Cool feature... i still love popping th hood to fill up tho.
Also added some other pics showing all my models features.
Would be great if we could get these pics for all years.. Great guide for a prospective type 3 buyer.
Cheers Vice
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"Clear Blinker Lensers in 66. Fastbacks had over riders , bonet mistache and wrap around binkers. Body No. 312 00 259x Does the 00 mean this option
and could you option a Square and Notch Like this?"
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Squares and Notches assembled here had none of this trim until 1969.
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Hmmm I'm dreaming. Does all 66-68 Fastys have this 00 on the Body No.? Is there any squares or notchs with it?
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Vice's 1967 Notchback.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
VW model 316S
Still 6v in 67
Non painted hub cap centre
First year 1600 badge for notch
First year for amber blinker lenses
Vice is your car single port or dual port? Because they changed over late 67
On a single port the carb manifolds are a 40mm diameter pipe that goes into a single port in the head.
A dual port has a cast manifold that splits into 2 and is about 100mm wide where it bolts to the head.
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Here is the '68 fuel filler.
'68's are a good source for the 12 volt wipers to fit the earlier models
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Wow,
If the V30 was the Panel Van I would never have thought there were 516 of them produced at Clayton
Total production for V30 in 1966 was 61 units so that meant the other 455 were produced prior to December 1965.
How many panels still exist if there were 516 units produced. ?
Makes them rarer than the Country Buggy where 878 units were produced for the Australian market.
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Hi
I can't remember seeing many panel vans in the 60s or 70s..
they all looked like aussie made...
from other forums.. it appears that maybe??
Most panel vans were made in Australia ???
the ones I've seen photos of are all RHD and made in Australia
now located in the UK & USA..
although seems strange that Wolfsburg never made them??
even as a cheap type 3.. ??
Did all Aussie 69 models have the flat [rare] hubcaps on 5 stud wheels with the stainless steel wheel trims??
{ I believe German made 67 model beetles also had those flat hubcaps on 5 stud wheels..]
Some VW owners have the fuel flap[door] welded over and fit an early fuel tank... lol
cheers
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Guys,
This has developed into an interesting thread and not being a Type 3 devotee of any strength I was hoping the following information may be of
assistance to the discussion. The numbers are extracted from the ex Factory Clayton production numbers for all vehicles manufactured in Australia.
Aussie production volumes for early Type 3s out of Clayton up to the end of 1968 were;
316N Notch 1011 units from 1/66 to Dec/68
316S Notch 9645 units up to Dec 67 ( Nil 316S were produced in 1968
312S Fastback 6168 units up to Dec 68
366 V31 Squareback Variant 9264 units to Oct 68
366 V30 Squareback Variant 516 units to Aug 66 when last one was produced. (Not sure what the V30 option was but could have been sunroof.)
There was a number of 1600 imported units with 4 of the EA197 Models in the country and through production by August 1968.Volumes started to pick up
in September with 149 units completed on the production line and ready for sale.
Hope these numbers assist.
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I think this could maybe read
366N and V30 Squareback Variant 516 units to Aug 66?
61 V30 in 65 and the rest 366N.
Did we have N Squarebacks here?
Or did we export the Panal Vans and or N Squarebacks?
I don't know of any 69 wide 5
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Vice's 1967 Notchback.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
VW model 316S
Still 6v in 67
Non painted hub cap centre
First year 1600 badge for notch
First year for amber blinker lenses
Vice is your car single port or twin port? Because they changed over late 67
On a single port the carb manifolds are a 40mm diameter pipe that goes into a single port in the head.
A twin port has a cast manifold that splits into 2 and is about 100mm wide where it bolts to the head.
RB.
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Iv posted up some pics in the tech section to see but seems like people think its a Dual. Whats this making you think ??
Cheers Vice.
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Lee, all type 3s had the flat hubcaps. The main difference is that the 4 stud ones clip on differently to the 5 stud. 5 stud clip in whereas the 4
stud clip over.
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Vice's 1967 Notchback.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
VW model 316S
Still 6v in 67
Non painted hub cap centre
First year 1600 badge for notch
First year for amber blinker lenses
Vice is your car single port or twin port? Because they changed over late 67
On a single port the carb manifolds are a 40mm diameter pipe that goes into a single port in the head.
A twin port has a cast manifold that splits into 2 and is about 100mm wide where it bolts to the head.
RB.
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Iv posted up some pics in the tech section to see but seems like people think its a Dual. Whats this making you think ??
Cheers Vice.
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Yes Vice that is a dual port Apparently they changed over from single inlet port heads to dual inlet ports somewhere in 1967 in Australia.
Could you please post a couple of pics of the engine on here? The one of the right side of the engine and one of the whole engine. Thanks Vice
A 6v dual port, that would be Australia only.
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Hmm..this is interesting news.
The plate that's spot welded onto the front of mine says 316 7639
The plate in mine is 316 0513
I would love to know for sure whether my car is an Aussie pressed car or if it is a CKD from when they started importing again?
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Lee, all type 3s had the flat hubcaps. The main difference is that the 4 stud ones clip on differently to the 5 stud. 5 stud clip in whereas the 4
stud clip over.
DH
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I was sure the early type 3s had the Normal beetle domed hubcaps Dallas???
the 4 stud ones are the same as the beetles from 1968> in Australia
I know.. the ones on 69 type 3s were the flat type as used on 67 beetles from Germany...
and the type 3s used those stainless steel wheel trims...
I will have to look at some photos.. lol
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Hmm..this is interesting news.
The plate that's spot welded onto the front of mine says 316 7639
The plate in mine is 316 0513
I would love to know for sure whether my car is an Aussie pressed car or if it is a CKD from when they started importing again?
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cruiser. I've done a bit of home work. Your car is at the start of the CKD production. It has different pressings to the 64-68 aussie cars.
Production of the CKD (Complete Knock Down? 8 crates to 12 cars or something like that) packs of the EA197 (type3) started OCT 68. The German model
year starts Aug for Type3, so your cars CKD packs must have left germany before that.
I have no idea how your car got the heated seats but I would like to see pics. 
Oh yeah that body tag must of been put on by a good old Aussie on friday arvo
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Lee, all type 3s had the flat hubcaps. The main difference is that the 4 stud ones clip on differently to the 5 stud. 5 stud clip in whereas the 4
stud clip over.
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I was sure the early type 3s had the Normal beetle domed hubcaps Dallas???
the 4 stud ones are the same as the beetles from 1968> in Australia
I know.. the ones on 69 type 3s were the flat type as used on 67 beetles from Germany...
and the type 3s used those stainless steel wheel trims...
I will have to look at some photos.. lol
cheers
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During the 60s I did see a couple of type 3s with dome caps but these were widened bug wheels with the clips on them to hold the domes. Even with
only 1" wider on these wheels, tyre rubbing could be a problem on the rear guards remembering that the normal widening technique was splitting the
rim just outside the disc and welding a band in. I had a set of the later but wide 5 bug wheels with the slotted disc widened but were only 5" so
the flat standard caps could be used. Even using the standard 165 tyres there was little room between tyre and guard.
Bugs looks like they got the flat hubcaps in Germany in 1966.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/68whatyearisit/3.jpg These look like the wheels I had moded back in the
late 60s.
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Type 3 hubcaps were always flat.
4 stud rims were standard from the 1969 model on in Australia ( and also a few late 1968 aswell according to cruisers notch)
69 models used 4 stud hubcaps same as > 68 beetles
I think 67 beetles in Germany were slotted wide 5, with similar or same flat hubcaps as 1965 type 3's without the clips.
The type 3 aluminium wheel trims are also different to the type 1 due to the different offsets so are not interchangeable,
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Heah guys would a 316N like type3lovers built Dec 68 be a 69 model with wide 5?
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Heah guys would a 316N like type3lovers built Dec 68 be a 69 model with wide 5?
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As 318022648 stamped on tunnel and compliance plate on Toby's Notch makes the parts built between August and September 1967 which makes it an actual
1968 OZ model with correct wide 5s still. More likely a CKD kit left hanging around in storage and finally got put together during 68 before
August. By the time it hit the showroom floor, the word would have been around that the new 69 model with discs and double joint rear end was here in
August 68. A discounted old technology model early in 1969 but certainly wouldn't have been built in December 1968!
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Guys,
This has developed into an interesting thread and not being a Type 3 devotee of any strength I was hoping the following information may be of
assistance to the discussion. The numbers are extracted from the ex Factory Clayton production numbers for all vehicles manufactured in Australia.
Aussie production volumes for early Type 3s out of Clayton up to the end of 1968 were;
316N Notch 1011 units from 1/66 to Dec/68
316S Notch 9645 units up to Dec 67 ( Nil 316S were produced in 1968
312S Fastback 6168 units up to Dec 68
366 V31 Squareback Variant 9264 units to Oct 68
366 V30 Squareback Variant 516 units to Aug 66 when last one was produced. (Not sure what the V30 option was but could have been sunroof.)
There was a number of 1600 imported units with 4 of the EA197 Models in the country and through production by August 1968.Volumes started to pick up
in September with 149 units completed on the production line and ready for sale.
Hope these numbers assist.
contrybuggybill
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316N Notch 1011 units from 1/66 to Dec 68
Do you think this is wrong?
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Yes Dallas,
the German beetles sold in the USA in 1966 had the flat hubcaps like the type 3s...
I just mentioned 1967.. lol
and yes, I must have seen type 3s with widened beetle wheels with domed hubcaps...
and the wheel trim on 68-69 type 3s were stainless steel with slots...
and Yes, I believe they wouldn't fit on a beetles rim...
and never seen a stainless steel one on a beetle..
only aluminium, and the dome hubcaps held them on.. lol
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Lee, all type 3s had the flat hubcaps. The main difference is that the 4 stud ones clip on differently to the 5 stud. 5 stud clip in whereas the 4
stud clip over.
DH
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I was sure the early type 3s had the Normal beetle domed hubcaps Dallas???
the 4 stud ones are the same as the beetles from 1968> in Australia
I know.. the ones on 69 type 3s were the flat type as used on 67 beetles from Germany...
and the type 3s used those stainless steel wheel trims...
I will have to look at some photos.. lol
cheers
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During the 60s I did see a couple of type 3s with dome caps but these were widened bug wheels with the clips on them to hold the domes. Even with
only 1" wider on these wheels, tyre rubbing could be a problem on the rear guards remembering that the normal widening technique was splitting the
rim just outside the disc and welding a band in. I had a set of the later but wide 5 bug wheels with the slotted disc widened but were only 5" so
the flat standard caps could be used. Even using the standard 165 tyres there was little room between tyre and guard.
Bugs looks like they got the flat hubcaps in Germany in 1966.
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- [size=4]Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY--- [/size]
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