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| posted on September 16th, 2010 at 10:05 AM |
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How much to do a suby swap?
Hi All,
I am just looking into doing a subi swap into a baja and would like to know a rough cost from start to finish by anyone who has done the
conversion.
out with the 1600tp and in with the new. This is to driving stage, including radiator, computer, etc. The whole kit and coboodle.
This is NOT to start a VW vs Suby argument, so if you feel like you have to say something about going suby, please find one of the other many posts
that end like that and bring it back to life. Not here.
I am also open to some other swap conversions, I remember someone on here did a mazda v6, and I know of a few offroaders doing 2.0 pinto escort
motors. The suby seems to be the easiest.
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| posted on September 16th, 2010 at 11:18 AM |
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There's a good recent post... i think it starts with the heading philosophical ....sometning or other.
I think people are suggesting 3 - 4k walk in walk out...
I would love someone to come out and say you could convet to 140ish HP subi power for under 2 grand. total... but i think i'm dreaming
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| posted on September 16th, 2010 at 11:32 AM |
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2 k ish for donk
600 ish for adaptor
+ new clutch setup 300 ish
+ radiator + hoes + pipe+ clamps would easy be 300
and there are heaps of little things you mis that all ad up
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| posted on September 16th, 2010 at 12:00 PM |
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around 5k is a good figure to consider when all is said and done for a non turbo motor. You may be able to do it for less. It may cost a little more.
Remember that in NSW, you might be asked to upgrade your brakes a little.
For a turbo motor, you need to consider a serious gearbox upgrade. a single side plate box will only last so long behind all that torque.
This all seems like a lot, but in comparison, a VW motor of the same power/torque will cost more so be aware of the reality.
if your car already has big brakes and a decent trans, then the cost comes down a lot. Kombis for instance, really only have to worry about engine
costs.
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| posted on September 16th, 2010 at 12:23 PM |
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arrrr don't waste your money, Subaru conversion are over rated.
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| posted on September 16th, 2010 at 01:21 PM |
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^ 
where's that vid of your lbug thrashing the commode again?
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| posted on September 16th, 2010 at 01:48 PM |
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For real bare basics with heaps of scavenging around for good prices on radiators and miscellaneous parts I reckon you could do for 2k-2.5k. Big
outlay is the donk but again if you can snap a bargain then away you go.
Is it Chris up in Qld with the Baja that has the V6................brain has gone to mush, have not been on for a while?
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| posted on September 16th, 2010 at 01:49 PM |
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hey,
I've got for sale a 77 kombi just out of rego (poor body, no probs mech) with
engineers papers
96 sohc jdm ej20
2ltr kombi box with albins 3rd and 4th
gear reduction starter
plus indian front beam and 15" merc wheels ( neither of which you'll need, but can on sell)
for sale only complete vehicle $3300
located central coast 2259 NSW
pm me if you are interested
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| posted on September 16th, 2010 at 02:31 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by GTMac
Is it Chris up in Qld with the Baja that has the V6................brain has gone to mush, have not been on for a while?
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That's be Baja Wes in Brisbane. Beautiful car and a very well done conversion.
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| posted on September 16th, 2010 at 02:45 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Aussie Dubbin
There's a good recent post... i think it starts with the heading philosophical ....sometning or other.
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Philosophical question about Subaru conversions - started by Craig - Gwendolyns Master
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=79100
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I would love someone to come out and say you could convet to 140ish HP subi power for under 2 grand. total... but i think i'm dreaming
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well, I guess it good if you can tell yourself that, rather than not listening when others are tell you.
Conversions should not be just a slap it in there and go go go type of deal. Its alot of effort and, expect to spend alot more that what you want to.
and, make it safe and legal.
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| posted on September 16th, 2010 at 03:46 PM |
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This is great guys, I just wanted to know. I am seriously thinking of doing it so I can go anywhere and not have to worry about the motor. Not had
much luck with VW motors and I want to travel in this thing if I do it. I will be going turbo if suby power is the go. Would like to find out about
the mazda setup.
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| posted on September 16th, 2010 at 06:58 PM |
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from memory
front cut with 55000on it $2500
adapter/ flywheel 215mm $660
vl turbo fuel pump $180
rad pipes $200
clutch 800kg $220
engineers report $600
misc $1000 inc exhaust, fuel pipes , wiring, steel ,paint, Nuts /bolts
not including my labour to build ,modify, bash head against wall while disecting stock harness or modifying fuel tank, reinforcing car cost of car
, rego insurance unleaded filler neck, rebuilt brakes, collapsable column, retractable seat belts.
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| posted on September 16th, 2010 at 07:03 PM |
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My thoughts are that the above guesstimates are way off. It has been thrown around you could get a subbie in the car complete and running for 3-5k.
This may be possible in parts alone and has the Colonel Mustard implied, you dont want a half arse job.
And if you are talking about a turbo power, than there is more money again as which has also been implied. If I could get turbo subbie engine in my
car for 5k and it be of top quality work and me doing most of the labour, I would go for it.
have a look here at this link and see what Mick was asking for his complete conversion, and keep in mind this would still be less than it cost him.
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=67295&page=33
I know as in Micks case just the radiator setup (including radiator, pipes etc) and all the modifications required, plus the widening of the rear
inner guard area to fit the wider WRX motor in would cost 3k alone to get the work done.
And then you have to factor in buying the engine, modifying the engine (reverse manifold, welding up points that are not required), plus the
management system to run it, new exhaust and lots of other things I'm sure would come to at least another 4k.
So my thoughts are that you would be looking at 7k minimum to put a WRX engine in and this is with doing a lot of work yourself. And again, not a half
baked job.
My 2 cents.
Kev
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| posted on September 16th, 2010 at 07:37 PM |
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mine was a basic "use what I've got conversion" stock ssp type 3 box stock 72 type 3 brakes..l rad from front cut comp , cat converter .
next step would be .. big 930 cv's n stubs $900
big g/box up to $2500
bigger turbo $$$
brakes $$$$
computer$$$
where do you stop spending I used mine daily for a couple of years and had very few problems If you do the research and can do the job it shouldnt
brake the bank.
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| posted on September 16th, 2010 at 07:41 PM |
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have a look here
http://www.customveedub.com.au/
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| posted on September 16th, 2010 at 07:57 PM |
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The price depends on way too many factors, mainly how much you can do yourself and how much your donor engine and parts come for
I would stick with an N/A in a baja, low speed off roading turning at low RPM is the worst for lag when you dont need it unless you run a toy baby
turbo plus with a turbo engine if you wanna actually be able to enjoy it properly you need a gearbox that wont break.
All the N/A motors are fine with a stock trannys
Even stock disc brakes cope well but an upgrade is still advisable
I ran around with totally stock brakes with my supercharged 1776 VW engine which made the same power as my subi but upgrading to rear discs was one of
the best moves I;ve made with it
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| posted on September 16th, 2010 at 11:34 PM |
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u could just buy one already done like mine 
seriously tho sit down and price the parts before you start. with the turbo donk u will need brake upgrades as well and depending on how you drive
gearbox to. theres a lot of little stuff to think about that always gets overlooked so keep that in mind.
i am planing my new build which is a microbus with a Ej 22 or 25 fitted and for engine,addaptor plate,rads i am around the 3500 mark. thats not
including any wiring,pipework,gearbox. then u would have to do a timing beltchange on what ever engine you get, plus what ever else it mite need(yes i
know u mite get lucky and get a just serviced engine). Also how much are you able to do yourself? thats what costs having to play others to do it for
you!.
in total mines cost way way more than i can ever hope to sell it for but i didnt build it to sell. the only reason its got to go is i have way to many
kids and i just cant afford to do what i want with the kombi with out selling somthing..
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| posted on September 17th, 2010 at 01:37 AM |
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Don't lie Steff. We all know you'll never sell it.
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| posted on September 17th, 2010 at 10:08 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Camo
And if you are talking about a turbo power, than there is more money again as which has also been implied. If I could get turbo subbie engine in my
car for 5k and it be of top quality work and me doing most of the labour, I would go for it.
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Kev, I reckon you better start now cause I think it can be done easily...............my 2 cents 
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| posted on September 17th, 2010 at 10:42 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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My thoughts are that the above guesstimates are way off.... have a look here at this link and see what Mick was asking for his complete conversion,
and keep in mind this would still be less than it cost him....
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I see your point, but I think Mick's 58 was a bad example of a budget build. Mick paid Westy to build him a piece of art. Nothing wrong with that but
it was never going to be a budget build to begin with.
NA - def could do for $5k or less.
turbo - might do for $5k, but lets face it, everyone gets a rush of blood and starts going nuts with intercoolers, exhausts and bigger turboes.
I think the thing is, the first time you do it, you learn all the ways you could do it much cheaper. If I put an EJ in someone elses car now I could
do it for a LOT less than mine cost. And to be fair, most of my mods were buggy based rather than EJ inspired. And just btw, if you are doing one BUY
A FRONT CUT for goodness sake. Saves buckets of money on radiators and computers and all that sort of thing.
Summing up, if you want a show car, it's gonna cost ALOT more than $5k, more than $10k more likely. If you want something to have fun in and can do
most of it yourself, it's a lot cheaper.
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| posted on September 17th, 2010 at 12:00 PM |
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spot on pete and yes buy a front cut.
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Yes guys, I know about the extras situation. I have also got a turbo 2175 54 beetle that has all the extras. I know how quickly it all adds up.
Anyone ever played with a V6 commodore motor in a baja. i have seen them in kombi's and they are quite small. Just an idea.
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| posted on September 17th, 2010 at 05:15 PM |
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i have put one in a bay fkn heavy if you use an early vn motor. still have the motor but just threw out the harness n comp as it got water logged
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| Quote: | Originally
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Don't lie Steff. We all know you'll never sell it.
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shhhh u
and wheres my bloody pics??? or is that the plan leave me hanging so i just give up on the kombi idea,sell a few kids and keep the Baja??
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| posted on September 17th, 2010 at 08:02 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by DubCrazy
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Don't lie Steff. We all know you'll never sell it.
Smiley
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shhhh u
and wheres my bloody pics??? or is that the plan leave me hanging so i just give up on the kombi idea,sell a few kids and keep the Baja??
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Oh yeah, them....will this weekend, if I don't get to carried away on my car. Engine is coming out!
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posted by pete wood
I see your point, but I think Mick's 58 was a bad example of a budget build. Mick paid Westy to build him a piece of art. Nothing wrong with that but
it was never going to be a budget build to begin with.
NA - def could do for $5k or less.
turbo - might do for $5k, but lets face it, everyone gets a rush of blood and starts going nuts with intercoolers, exhausts and bigger turboes.
I think the thing is, the first time you do it, you learn all the ways you could do it much cheaper. If I put an EJ in someone elses car now I could
do it for a LOT less than mine cost. And to be fair, most of my mods were buggy based rather than EJ inspired. And just btw, if you are doing one BUY
A FRONT CUT for goodness sake. Saves buckets of money on radiators and computers and all that sort of thing.
Summing up, if you want a show car, it's gonna cost ALOT more than $5k, more than $10k more likely. If you want something to have fun in and can do
most of it yourself, it's a lot cheaper.
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The best way to start is by talking to an engineer to find out what he requires to pass your vehicle when finished! my engineer wants vented front
rotors for anything with a turbo.
As Pete said if you were to pay someone i would expect it to pass the $10,000 mark, but i am talking drive/push in drive out engineered and all, but
depends on what you do with intercooler and radiator etc!!
a baja would be cheaper than a beetle cause theres less body mods and theres no need to move the box forward either. but i guess it comes down to how
much you can do and what the engineer wants!
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| posted on September 18th, 2010 at 09:23 PM |
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you'd know brendo, you're got one in the shop at mo eh?
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