Posts: 37
Threads: 6
Registered: January 11th, 2010
Member Is Offline
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
posted on November 23rd, 2011 at 12:55 PM
Now for something different........
When I was seventeen I "purchased" my first vehicle from my father, a Myers Manx Beach Buggy. It wasn't particularly practical but for a teenager
who'd just got his licence it was pretty cool, and it started my interest in owning something different to everyone else on the road.
A few years later I sold it to buy something more practical but it wasn't long before I had that desire to own something different again. So in 1989,
at the age of 20, I put a deposit down for a Sabre MK2 at the DRB factory on the Gold Coast. These guys are still around today, albeit making Cobra
and GT40 kits now.
The Sabre is a hand laid fibreglass body bonded to a steel spaceframe that is designed to sit on a Type 3 VW floorpan. I took posession of the body
towards the end of '89 and spent the next 12 months building the car. Of course having one of only 21 cars at the time wasn't unique enough for me,
so the body was customised to incorporate NSX style side scoops and F40 style rear wing, with the help of the guys at the DRB factory. Unfortunately
twenty years ago we couldn't just jump on the net to source parts or research things so it was a case of reading magazines, speaking to workshops and
using what parts you could find at the local Autobarn or wrecker.
The car was originally fitted with a Nissan A15 motor but it wasn't long before I had the urge for more power so a 13B was inserted in it's place. I
really enjoyed the rotary but unfortunately due to a lot of attention at car shows and magazine articles etc, it wasn't long before I received the
dreaded defect notice from QLD Transport. This resulted in me having to remove the 13B and substitute it for a 4AGE, which is still in the car to this
day.
After many years of enjoyment I began to lose interest in the car and about 7 years ago I "sold" it to my mother for $2000 becasue she didn't want
me selling it to anyone else. Whilst she continued to pay the rego on it, she didn't really have the facilities on her property to store the car
properly, so today it's a little worse for wear.
Just recently though I'd been reminising about the memories and how much heart and soul I'd put into this car and decided to try and get it back.
Fortunately my mother was happy for me to have it back, so a couple of weeks ago I picked it up from her property.
I'd initially had plans to "restore" it to it's former glory but I think it'll be more like a second coming with plans to strip it down and
almost start from scratch, including a 4 wheel disc upgrade, a few external mods, a new interior, a paint job and possibly a new motor and/or gearbox
if required. I'm not the most technically minded person, but hopefully with a bit of help from the AVD crew I can get it all together.
Here are a few shots from a magazine article nearly 20 years ago, when the 13B was fitted.
And a few photos of it's current state, with Toyota 4AGE motor fitted.
Unfortunately a little field mouse sought temporary accomodation in the drivers seat
It's only been sporadically started over the past 7 years and probably only covered about 200ks, so I wasn't sure how I'd go with the motor. I gave
it the once over and apart from a broken engine mount which I reppaired, it looked ok. I chnaged the oil, fuel and checked the plugs, leads and
distributor and then cranked it over. Much to my delight it started.
Posts: 37
Threads: 6
Registered: January 11th, 2010
Member Is Offline
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
posted on November 23rd, 2011 at 01:22 PM
At this stage, the biggest decision I probably need to make is what engine and gearbox combination I'll go for. The original approval allowed for a
1600 dohc engine or 2000cc sohc engine. It's been a long time since i looked in engine swaps and modifications, so I'm not sure if curreent regs
allow for something different. I'd like something that I can get 180-200hp out of without costing an arm and a leg. As for gearboxes, I would like a
to fit a more modern 5 speed gearbox, if it's not to hard to fit and costs aren't prohibitive.
These seem to be my options:
Current 4AGE engine/ VW 4 speed gearbox
EJ20T engine / VW 4 speed gearbox (might need NCOP to be adopted)
EJ20T engine / Subarugears 5 speed gearbox (might need NCOP to be adopted, costs?)
Any other suggestions?
What's the strongest VW box available?
Can one be built to take 200hp without having to sell my mother?
MickH
A.k.a.: Michael Hutchinson
Bishop of Volkswagenism
Hairy Gutted Sloth
Posts: 3389
Threads: 29
Registered: September 6th, 2003
Member Is Offline
Location: TownsvilleTropical North QLD
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Grow a brain...walls don't hit back...
posted on November 23rd, 2011 at 01:28 PM
Nice!!!!!!!!!!!!
tssnq.com.au
68AutoBug
A.k.a.: Lee Noonan
Aircooled Master
Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138% - YIKES --
Posts: 11654
Threads: 449
Registered: August 31st, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: SCONE in UPPER HUNTER VALLEY NSW
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Yellow
Mood: Really Mentally Ill - all of the time -
posted on November 23rd, 2011 at 02:12 PM
YIKES...
Very nice....
LEE
- [size=4]Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY--- [/size]
donn
Wolfsburg Elder
Posts: 3515
Threads: 428
Registered: November 30th, 2005
Member Is Offline
Location: NEWCASTLE NSW
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: LAID BACK AND CONFUSED
posted on November 23rd, 2011 at 04:42 PM
Bloody hell mate, that's one nice car, I'll be looking for updates.
I dream of a day when a chicken can cross a road without being asked for it's motive!
DylanTheDubber
Custom Title Time!
Posts: 1252
Threads: 173
Registered: June 5th, 2009
Member Is Offline
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
posted on November 23rd, 2011 at 05:09 PM
GO EJ20T ALL THE WAY!!!!
TCR7
Casual Dubber
Posts: 37
Threads: 6
Registered: January 11th, 2010
Member Is Offline
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
posted on November 23rd, 2011 at 08:18 PM
Don't worry donn, there'll be plenty of updates
The EJ20T is the obvious choice but I'm pretty sure I can't get it legally approved in QLD unless the Dept of Transport adopts the NCOP. I've read
a few threads about guys using VW boxes with the EJ20T motors, but realistically how long do they last?
Turbo54
Veteran Volks Folk
Posts: 2220
Threads: 268
Registered: July 13th, 2004
Member Is Offline
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Boost'n
posted on November 25th, 2011 at 02:33 PM
Nice car, There was a real nice white one on here a while ago. Loose the rear wing.
180-200hp out of a aircooled motor is going to cost a bomb not to mention a gearbox to hold it together.
Do your homework first.
T54
C'mon kids gather round,
there's a new sensation hitting town,
It's moving straight, low to the ground,
it'll pick you up when your feeling down.
SuperOwen
Fahrvergnugen
Posts: 868
Threads: 67
Registered: January 18th, 2009
Member Is Offline
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
posted on November 25th, 2011 at 03:00 PM
I think the wings pretty well integrated actually, very 288gto.
Just thinking left of field; how hard would it be to make a rear subframe to hold a transverse engine and gearbox, like a toyata mr2? Would open up
all the fwd engine and gearbox combos.
TCR7
Casual Dubber
Posts: 37
Threads: 6
Registered: January 11th, 2010
Member Is Offline
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
posted on November 29th, 2011 at 09:36 AM
Don't really intend to go with an air cooled motor at this point in time. Logical options are to stick with the 4AGE or stick in an EJ20T but part of
the steel subframe does extend down each side of the engine bay, so a subframe extending from one side to the other could possibly work.
I'm going to fit some sort of front splitter to the car to balance out the look of the rear wing.
1303Steve
A.k.a.: Steve Carter
Scirocco Rare
Posts: 8621
Threads: 556
Registered: August 27th, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: Sydney, NSW
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Parrot Heading
Posts: 37
Threads: 6
Registered: January 11th, 2010
Member Is Offline
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
posted on November 29th, 2011 at 11:40 AM
Thanks Steve, thanks looks quite interesting. It is possible to remove the "boot" section just in front of the engine bay which would give me some
access to a mid engine setup. it wouldn't be great but maybe workable. Wonder what the implications are for legality?
bigdan
Learner Dubber
Posts: 13
Threads: 4
Registered: November 17th, 2011
Member Is Offline
Location: Blacktown, NSW
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Black
posted on November 30th, 2011 at 09:56 AM
Since you already have a 4A-GE in it, why don't you look at a 4A-GZE motor?
This is the supercharged variant of that motor and I have seen quiet a number of people get really good power out of them by removing the supercharger
and throwing a decent turbo on instead.
You could do the same with the Standard 4A-GE, however the 4A-GZE has stronger internals for forced induction...
TCR7
Casual Dubber
Posts: 37
Threads: 6
Registered: January 11th, 2010
Member Is Offline
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
posted on November 30th, 2011 at 12:58 PM
Yeah either modified, turboed or supercharged 4AGE is the "easy" option in terms on hunting a bit more power, but the downside being the 4 speed VW
box and whether one can be built to take the power and what costs are involved in doing so.
mactaylor
Custom Title Time!
Posts: 1005
Threads: 54
Registered: August 14th, 2007
Member Is Offline
Location: Albury
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: even my dog is german
posted on November 30th, 2011 at 05:22 PM
4agze and kombi box is a well know offroad combo however ej ej ej ej!
EVERLAST CONCRETE TANKS
1800 552 123
TCR7
Casual Dubber
Posts: 37
Threads: 6
Registered: January 11th, 2010
Member Is Offline
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
posted on December 7th, 2011 at 08:49 AM
Quote:
Originally
posted by mactaylor
4agze and kombi box is a well know offroad combo however ej ej ej ej!
That's good to know thanks. So I guess it's not too hard to fit a Kombi box into the Type 3 chassis?
Anyway, time for an update. Once I'd brushed off the cobwebs and given the car a bath and vacuum, this was the first problem I needed to sort.
Managed to sort out some sort of temporary fix, just so I could check the engine and move it from A to B if necessary.
Next I gave the engine a quick once over to see if it would start. Everything looked ok, so I changed the oil, drained out the petrol, cleaned the
plugs and the dizzy. Turned it over and much to my delight the 4AGE kicked into life. Here's a little clip of the engine note:
I'd really like to get the car down to 900kgs and a 40:60 weight distribution if possible, but that will depend on the final engine and gearbox
combination I guess.
LIFE IN THE LOW LANE
A.k.a.: Brennden Alder
Son of Jim - Creator of Good
All people have the right to stupidity but some abuse the privilege
Posts: 2534
Threads: 53
Registered: March 11th, 2007
Member Is Offline
Location: Murrumba Downs - Brisbane
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Orange
Mood: What Kombi wants vs what Kombi gets are nowhere near the same...
posted on December 8th, 2011 at 06:58 PM
If you want to stick with the Toyota option of engine look for a 2ZZGE. 1.8L with VVTLI (variable valve timing and lift control - Toyota's version of
VTEC) They make in stock from 196HP(141KW) and come with a 6 speed box. LSD's are available as are ratios etc etc. A few tweaks of one of these and
you can easily have 170HP atw. Lotus use these engines in the elise,exige and supercharge them in the Exige R. They use a Motec ECU and different
exhaust system and intake and make about 210-220HP easy as. S/C version makes 240HP and lot more torque. These engines were bought to Australia in the
ZZE123 Corolla Sportivo and the Gen 7 Celica ZZT231.
CES Racing in Brisbane did a turbo conversion on a Corolla Sportivo and running 18psi it made 341 HP atw. A friend on mine in Sydney has done the same
sort of conversion and making the same power and ran 12.1 @ 128MPH at WSID.
[size=4] ACCEPT THAT SOME DAYS YOU ARE THE PIDGEON AND SOME DAYS YOU ARE THE STATUE[/size]
Alder Outlaws VW Racing - check it out on fb!!
TCR7
Casual Dubber
Posts: 37
Threads: 6
Registered: January 11th, 2010
Member Is Offline
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
posted on December 9th, 2011 at 10:43 AM
At this stage the only reason I'd stick with the 4AGE, is that it probably offers the best "legal" option (apart from a 20V variant) in that it has
to be a maximum of 1600cc DOHC or 2000 SOHC.
If the NCOP gets adopted in QLD and I decide to ditch the 4AGE, it would make more sense to go with the EJ20T and Subarugears 5 Speed box (costs
pending)
TCR7
Casual Dubber
Posts: 37
Threads: 6
Registered: January 11th, 2010
Member Is Offline
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
posted on April 4th, 2016 at 01:28 PM
So, I never thought I'd be writing this, but after 25 years of ownership, I think it's time for it to go.
It's been stored in my garage under a cover since I "rescued" it back in 2011, and hasn't been touched since I went over it and got it running
late that year (see video). Went to start it six months later and it didn't fire (suspect fuel pump) and lost motivation. I thought one day I'd get
around to restoring it, but just can't see it happening.
It's been continuously registered since I finished building it (25+ yrs) and still has Special Interest rego today. Can be easily switched back to
full rego if required. It won't get a roadworthy as is, so will be sold as is, but happy to maintain the rego in my name until it is roadworthy and
can be transferred. From memory needs front LH brake caliper rebuild (binding), new tyres (over 10 years old), engine mount and of course non starting
issue sorted for RWC (plus probably a heap of other little things).
Bare fibreglass body and subframe cost me $7500 back in the day, so thinking about 9K would buy it. So, if you're interested in a truly one off
project, send me a PM.
