Are these pre-65 beetles?

Hey all i can't tell if these are pre or post 65 beetle's, im trying to tell from the door posts but i cant really tell, can someone help in identifying them. thanks

both pre 67 ,get the chassis numbers off the tunnel ,or check the back of the speedos for a date stamp

first one looks like 62-64

Blue one would be before 62.

60-62 by the DIY seatbelt mounts.

Another engine fire victim by the looks

WHITE ONE COULD BE 62 MODEL

going by how close the blinker is on top of the guard..
to the body.. around 64> larger blinkers further from body..

they had the narrow clear blinkers in 62-63 along with bumper over riders, which this car has the round holes for.

Blue one could be 62-67 model..

check back of speedo for date stamp..

or chassis number under the back seat..

cheers

LEE

PS: more pics of front and back could help, but many things could have been changed since the 60s.. lol