New Car

I need a car for sub $20,000 only to keep while under warranty.
Mazda 3 or Corolla?

Flip a coin is probably your best bet.😂

What is the cost of a base model camry?
Supports Aussie industry that way,... just a thought.

depending on purchase price Toyotas seem to have bewtter resale value

1303Steve wrote:depending on purchase price Toyotas seem to have bewtter resale value

The base models are both $20k drive away no more to pay plus on road costs!

I work at a Toyota dealership so i guess i,m a little bias but as Steve said the Corolla will get you better resale value.
However both cars will give you trouble free motoring.

Cheers Col

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I know two people one with a Mazda 3 and one with a Corolla. They both are happy and have had no problems. It will come down to your preference and the salesmans attitude.

helbus wrote:I know two people one with a Mazda 3 and one with a Corolla. They both are happy and have had no problems. It will come down to your preference and the salesmans attitude.

yep i hear those mazdas are pretty good. no one has ever complained about them in terms of reliability or price. Shame they are really ugly though 😂

toyota are ok, they used to be way better 10+ years ago, still not bad for a buzz box. I find them corolla not very well thought out cars, the older corolla are heaps better imho.

donn wrote:Enter vlad01 stage left😂

lol what?

I am in the car game for a living and as the dury says they are both very good
My thoughts is that the Toyota is a better car but I purchased my wife a new Skoda Fabia Monte carlo last year and it is a great car so far touch wood
After researching I could not find a negative comment on Skoda as they are 3rd oldest car manufaturer in the world
It has all the options fitted as well as 5 yr warranty and sporty looking

donn wrote:Enter vlad01 stage left😂

rofpmslmao😂😂😂

Toyota!!!

I would buy the Polo instead.

Yogie

Advertised on a Skoda Carsales page.

"We are a Rural dealership located 1 hour from Melbourne and Sydney. "

Does that mean a Skoda can travel from Melbourne to Sydney in 2 hours?

Skoda 0-100 in 10.1 seconds
Polo 0-100 in 12.1 seconds

Probably a bit slow for my use. They would be great for a city car, but I need to comute Southern Highlands-Sydney-Port Macquarie.

Lack of country dealer support and resale value rules them out.

Phill I can't imagine yoiu driving a non-VW Group vehicle. If you can stretch your budget to $21,490, look at the VW Polo 66TDI. 1.6-litre TDI engine, 5-speed manual. 4.7 L/100 km. It won the NRMA Best Cars award 2012 for Best Light Car.

http://www.australiasbestcars.com.au/2012/light_over.htm

Can't really say there's a 'lack of country VW dealers' any more. There is a VW dealer in the Southern Highlands - Moss Vale Volkswagen. There are 10 VW dealers in Sydney. There is a VW dealer in Gosford (Central Coast Motor Group); Newcastle (Kloster Volkswagen Hamilton); and Port Macquarie (John Oxley Volkswagen).

There is a VW dealer in the Southern Highlands, however I refuse to go back there ....after my last experience with them.😬

HappyDaze wrote:There is a VW dealer in the Southern Highlands, however I refuse to go back there ....after my last experience with them.😬

Same with the Port Maquarie one.😬

Phil74Camper wrote:Plook at the VW Polo 66TDI. 1.6-litre TDI engine, 5-speed manual. 4.7 L/100 km. It won the NRMA Best Cars award 2012 for Best Light Car.

$25k👎
0-100 in 11.9👎
No cruise control👎
Made in China👎

stick with toyota or mazda. even a mazda 2
maybe even a hyundai I20 😊
I lot of the new little VW are blowing up motors 🥲

AA003 wrote:

Phil74Camper wrote:Plook at the VW Polo 66TDI. 1.6-litre TDI engine, 5-speed manual. 4.7 L/100 km. It won the NRMA Best Cars award 2012 for Best Light Car.

$25k👎
0-100 in 11.9👎
No cruise control👎
Made in China👎

😂😂😂

I can buy a $500 car that can out do all that.

ian.mezz wrote:stick with toyota or mazda. even a mazda 2
maybe even a hyundai I20 😊
I lot of the new little VW are blowing up motors 🥲

aren't can also having problem with injectors failing too?

what about KIA. I drove 2012 model few months back, was a ripper little buzz box. Was one of their sports hatchbacks? Anyway put the hyundai and toyotas of similar market to shame.

1966 type 3 wrote:I am in the car game for a living and as the dury says they are both very good
My thoughts is that the Toyota is a better car but I purchased my wife a new Skoda Fabia Monte carlo last year and it is a great car so far touch wood
After researching I could not find a negative comment on Skoda as they are 3rd oldest car manufaturer in the world
It has all the options fitted as well as 5 yr warranty and sporty looking

No matter how you say it, that car will have very poor resale value.

Phil also look at prices at country dealers, they can often do better than city dealers as their overheads are much lower, we saved a lot of money buying our Prado on the Gold Coast

Come on Phil when have you ever been 0-100 in 11.9 😂 😂 😂

AA003 wrote:

Phil74Camper wrote:Plook at the VW Polo 66TDI. 1.6-litre TDI engine, 5-speed manual. 4.7 L/100 km. It won the NRMA Best Cars award 2012 for Best Light Car.

$25k👎
0-100 in 11.9👎
No cruise control👎
Made in China👎

Not made in china... and cruise control is standard...
I own a driving school, so all our cars get a pretty hard time. Ive done over 100k in two years and been fantastic.

It was cheaper to buy in Tweed Heads and drive it to sydney for the dual controls and warb did the signs. It felt very much like driving a large vehicle, and fuel was amazing.

The big difference is, they still feel like brand new cars, the quality is soo much better.

Ive had corollas and swifts, both which felt really old at 80k and two years.

VW customer service is shit, but the dealer has been fantastic, infact even if i didnt buy another VW, id have to buy another brand of car they sell, i wouldnt go any where else...

byronbus wrote:Not made in china...

Where are they made then?

Do you have a VIN?

and cruise control is standard...

Not on the cheap diesel model

The big difference is, they still feel like brand new cars, the quality is soo much better.

Yes VWs are always like that.
Also VW servicing is cheaper.

This purchase is an economic practical choice.

go with the corolla good reliable car and will give good re sale the mazda is good too but the re sale just isnt there

Phill the Australian Polos come from Uitenhage, South Africa. The VIN code for factory is U. Some of the earlier Polo GTIs were sourced from Martorell, Spain (VIN code R).

The only Chinese-made Polo sold here was the booted Polo Classic from 2003. No longer available. They didn't sell many and I have never seen one, so I don't know what its VIN factory code would be. I'd like to know though.

Maybe you would be better off with a 2-3 year old Golf if you want some bells and whistles that the Polos don't have, for under 20K.

I don't know why 0-100 is an issue. What does the T3 Syncro do it in?

Phil74Camper wrote:Phill the Australian Polos come from Uitenhage, South Africa. The VIN code for factory is U.

Just as bad. SA VWs are rubbish.

Maybe you would be better off with a 2-3 year old Golf if you want some bells and whistles that the Polos don't have, for under 20K.

Warranty

I don't know why 0-100 is an issue. What does the T3 Syncro do it in?

That's why I need another car.
Syncro 0-100 in 23 seconds.😂

(This is just a temporary vehicle)

I have yet to hear someone say 'I wish I hadn't bought a Toyota"

Lucky Phil wrote:I have yet to hear someone say 'I wish I hadn't bought a Toyota"

All I can say is I glad I reconsidered after driving a new one. They are no where as good as the 90s Toyota's

my boss said if there was vw equivalent to the kluger he would of got that instead. After 130k on the clock the old kluger is getting a bit clunky.

what about nissan? haven't heard anyone mention them? they are suppose to be really good right?

been in a few old ones and they were good, only new one I have been is is a GTR and yes of course it was good, the speed of those make up for everything else. 😂

I don't understand why anyone would care about new-car warranty. Modern cars are extremely reliable, so a major failure is very rare. Not only that, but most manufacturers will refuse to pay up on a surprising variety of warranty claims! For example, a former colleague of mine had a Jeep Wrangler Ultimate turbo-diesel, which he bought used with an extended warranty. The rubber intercooler hose cracked so he took it to the dealer to have it replaced. The hose cost over $700 just for the part, and because it's a hose (consumable) it wasn't covered under warranty! The same is true of most parts you are likely to have replaced. Brakes, bushings, hoses, belts, tyres, filters, any part which is classed as 'consumable' will not be covered under warranty. Those parts cover a very large number of the car's potential failure modes.

Buy something 5 years old and just out of warranty. That way, you've saved so much money on depreciation that even if it does blow up, you're still in front! Not only that, but a used car dealership will still give you at least a one-year warranty anyway, for whatever that's worth.

waveman1500 wrote:I don't understand why anyone would care about new-car warranty. Modern cars are extremely reliable, so a major failure is very rare.

If you do have a major failure, you just write the car off and you have lost all of your money.

Not only that, but most manufacturers will refuse to pay up on a surprising variety of warranty claims!

Not all of them.

For example, a former colleague of mine had a Jeep Wrangler Ultimate turbo-diesel, which he bought used with an extended warranty. The rubber intercooler hose cracked so he took it to the dealer to have it replaced. The hose cost over $700 just for the part, and because it's a hose (consumable) it wasn't covered under warranty! The same is true of most parts you are likely to have replaced. Brakes, bushings, hoses, belts, tyres, filters, any part which is classed as 'consumable' will not be covered under warranty. Those parts cover a very large number of the car's potential failure modes.

That was extended warranty.

Buy something 5 years old and just out of warranty. That way, you've saved so much money on depreciation that even if it does blow up, you're still in front! Not only that, but a used car dealership will still give you at least a one-year warranty anyway, for whatever that's worth.

You don't save that much and who do you get to work on it if something goes wrong?

I was talking to a used car dealer about a nice Jeep that he had sold for $30k. It had engine problems so he ended up buying it back from the customer as this was cheaper than fixing it.

My daily is an '10 Lancer. Great car, zero regrets. Heading towards 80k with no problems. Compared it with the Corallas when buying it. Much more comfortable, handles better and feels much faster as well. I'd go drive one, it's the perfect price you are looking at

got a spankin new golf blumo in 10,
drive drive drive n nearly at 100kms
good and cheap to run on diesel
get what you really want..

If warranty really gives you that much peace of mind, then go for it, but I have to question this statement.

You don't save that much and who do you get to work on it if something goes wrong?

You don't save much by buying a 5 year old car?
A 2013 Golf GTI is $40,000, a 2008 Golf GTI will cost you about $25,000. You save roughly 38% or $15k, which I call a substantial chunk of cash!
A 2013 Corolla Ascent is $23k driveaway, a 2008 Corolla will cost you $13k, which is a saving of 43% or $10,000. I would like to see anyone tell me that they wouldn't be happy with having an extra $10 grand in their pocket.

Who do you get to work on your car if it goes wrong? A mechanical workshop! Or a main dealer! If you can't find a mechanic that will work on a 5 year old car then obviously you're not looking very hard! I just can't even begin to understand this question.

2013 Corolla is less than $20k driveaway in Sydney.

It is very hard to find a mechanic that can actually fix anything on a late model car unless you go to a dealer. Even then you may have trouble as I did with my TT and that was multiple Audi dealers.

As I said, if something serious goes wrong, you just write the car off.

A friend of mine had a T4 syncro gearbox failure which cost $10k to fix. He then sold the car for $7k.

I have just seen a T4 towed back to Sydney from out west (maybe Dubbo) because they couldn't find a mechanic to change an oil cooler.

Have a look at this thread from today;

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=101760

I travelled 111 km's to the nearest VW service place having informed them of the age of the vehicle when making the booking. I was only told when I came to collect the van that they only had diagnostic equipment for recent models and not for the t4. I was charged $644 and the problem was not fixed.

I have a new corolla they have a few factory defaults for example many models have been recalled for electric window problems and have water pump problems. Other than that fuel economy is really good, but needs more power power for over taking on the freeway.

waveman1500 wrote:If warranty really gives you that much peace of mind, then go for it, but I have to question this statement.

You don't save that much and who do you get to work on it if something goes wrong?

You don't save much by buying a 5 year old car?
A 2013 Golf GTI is $40,000, a 2008 Golf GTI will cost you about $25,000. You save roughly 38% or $15k, which I call a substantial chunk of cash!
A 2013 Corolla Ascent is $23k driveaway, a 2008 Corolla will cost you $13k, which is a saving of 43% or $10,000. I would like to see anyone tell me that they wouldn't be happy with having an extra $10 grand in their pocket.

Who do you get to work on your car if it goes wrong? A mechanical workshop! Or a main dealer! If you can't find a mechanic that will work on a 5 year old car then obviously you're not looking very hard! I just can't even begin to understand this question.

I agree!

2013 Corolla $20k to sell in 5 years for $13k
2008 Corolla $13k + repairs (tyres,brakes,clutch etc.) to sell in 5 years for $6k.
Which one is cheaper?

AA003 wrote:2013 Corolla $20k to sell in 5 years for $13k
2008 Corolla $13k + repairs (tyres,brakes,clutch etc.) to sell in 5 years for $6k.
Which one is cheaper?

The 2008 Corolla is still cheaper, especially if you would be buying the car on a loan! If you buy the new car with savings then you are losing 5 years of opportunity cost with about a $10k investment, which should return at least $2-3000 even if you just stick it in a term deposit. If you don't have the cash and you take out a loan, then you are paying thousands of dollars in interest and fees.

Quite apart from all this argument about 5 year old cars, my 1970 1500cc Beetle was the cheapest car to buy and run that I have ever owned. It cost me $300, it was fairly good on fuel and only $13 per month to insure as an under-21-year-old (5 years ago). Not only that, but 14" tyres cost $75-$100 each and the fronts lasted forever, I did all the servicing myself for the cost of a $20 bottle of oil and a $5 sump gasket kit on every second oil change. I did put a newer 1600cc twin-port engine in it for $800, but only because I wanted to go faster, not because it needed it. Eventually I crashed it, wrote it off, sold a few parts and made a profit!

You can't compare a Beetle in this equation.

I had a 1500 Beetle bought in 1979 for $1800 and sold in 2001 for $2000.
How's that for depreciation!😂
...and I got 90,000kms from a set of tyres.

Don't forget that you would be paying tax on your term deposit.