Hey there just a warning for those who are considering an Amarok TSI (petrol) and live in a cold area
We have only hit -2 last week and they hesitate on cold start for a least 500m to 1km
and its brand new...
Our local dealer 'oh that's just what they do' 'Volkswagen don't have a fix, i will let you know if they do'
We get to -12 so who knows what to expect then..
be better of taking the old mans bay to work, it warms up in the same amount of time...
Wish the beetle was still on the road 馃檨
sgetty 路
What a whole half day and no comment Risky?
Its a real shame that i have had this problem because its great to drive...
AA003 路
Tell your dealer to hand his franchise in because he is too stupid to sell Volkswagens.馃憥
matberry 路
Something you wouldn't expect from a VW. You must be surprised. They are great to drive, my brother has one and he loves it, I don't think he'll experience your problem though livimg in Brisbane.
matberry 路
AA003 wrote:Tell your dealer to hand his franchise in because he is too stupid to sell Volkswagens.馃憥
馃槀馃槀thought his comment was a bit rough..."they all do that".....maybe it's the dealership that's the poblem.馃槀
sgetty 路
yes its very disappointing........Im trying to keep my cool, I have contacted the sales man who i know and see what he can do! then i will contact the owner/franchise if i have to, then Volkswagen Australia....
If it gets that far i will be throwing a tantrum... I am always pleasant, even this morning with the service department but i think its clear that you have to be a complete ass with the current staff they have to get something done. That's not my style or who i am.
68AutoBug 路
sgetty wrote:Hey there just a warning for those who are considering an Amarok TSI (petrol) and live in a cold area
We have only hit -2 last week and they hesitate on cold start for a least 500m to 1km
and its brand new...
Our local dealer 'oh that's just what they do' 'Volkswagen don't have a fix, i will let you know if they do'
We get to -12 so who knows what to expect then..
be better of taking the old mans bay to work, it warms up in the same amount of time...
Wish the beetle was still on the road 馃檨
YIKES
as much as I like VWs, I would never consider a new or late model one... they have a bad reputation in the USA and is getting one in Australia too...
I would be ringing direct to VW Australia ande asking questions also asking smithy in the friday Telegraph.. [Sydney]
they have had heaps of VW complaints...
I would think it would just be an adjustment to the computer as to the local minimum temperature...
maybe set to Darwins temperature.. lol
cheers
LEE
whathaveidone 路
I have a few customers who have them and live in the nsw snowy mountains. Ill be seeing them next week. Will be interesting to see what they say. Did the dealer say it was all or just petrol?????
sgetty 路
Just the petrol, i was led to believe.
RISKY4LIFE 路
sgetty wrote:What a whole half day and no comment Risky?
im getting slow in my old age 馃榾
i could tow your Amarok to work each day with my hilux 馃榾
oh wait are you sure it's a petrol or are you just putting petrol in it ? 馃榾
h 路
^ haha petrol in a diesel no go go 馃槀
Ben386 路
Our local dealer 'oh that's just what they do' 'Volkswagen don't have a fix, i will let you know if they do'
Sounds like you spoke with a salesman,speak to the service manager if you are unhappy with that response.
Old Hutcho 路
I am a grey nomad and as such I haunt the grey nomad forums. One of them has a propensity to comparing vehicles (mainly for towing you understand) and the Amarok one is here
They may well be the ants pants for buzzing around town and throwing the kids in for a camping weekend.
But they have not taken off as a tow vehicle here in Oz.
Read the thread. You be the judge.
Just remember, they have as many "experts" on their forum as we do here!
regards
Old Hutcho
AA003 路
The mechanics at your dealership are just too stupid to fix it. That's all that it is. There is no way that it would be a design problem that it would be undriveable in cold weather. The car is faulty! That is it. It probably just has a defective temperature sensor somewhere. There is no programming the ECU for cold climates.
Do you own a baseball bat?
Phil74Camper 路
68AutoBug wrote:[YIKES
as much as I like VWs, I would never consider a new or late model one... they have a bad reputation in the USA and is getting one in Australia too...
I would be ringing direct to VW Australia ande asking questions also asking smithy in the friday Telegraph.. [Sydney]
they have had heaps of VW complaints...
cheers
LEE
Lee the Volkswagens sold in the USA are made in Mexico and Canada, and the US-only Passat is made in Tennessee. Their models don't match ours so 'US quality surveys' don't apply to Australia. And the Amarok is not sold in the USA.
The guys on the vwwatercooled forum would disagree with you. 54,000 Australians bought a new VW last year, the highest number ever. Don't think that the old air-cooled models were perfect back in the day. They weren't.
Yes sometimes there are Smithy letters about VW problems, but there are lots of letters about other makes too. Today's Tele has Smithy letters about a Jeep Cherokee, Hyundai i30, Toyota Altara, Lexus IS350, Ford Territory (x2), Falcon XR6 and Commodore SV6.
Phill is right, it's VW dealers that are the problem. Most of them are just mega sales outlets and VWs are just another brand they can sell, usually alongside several other makes. The dealer's service manager needs to take ownership of the problem.
sgetty 路
RISKY4LIFE wrote:
sgetty wrote:What a whole half day and no comment Risky?
im getting slow in my old age 馃榾
i could tow your Amarok to work each day with my hilux 馃榾
oh wait are you sure it's a petrol or are you just putting petrol in it ? 馃榾
and there it is.....you are getting slow...
sgetty 路
Ben386 wrote:Our local dealer 'oh that's just what they do' 'Volkswagen don't have a fix, i will let you know if they do'
Sounds like you spoke with a salesman,speak to the service manager if you are unhappy with that response.
nope service desk and a 'mechanic'
the salesman knows more than the service department, a real worry..
sgetty 路
AA003 wrote:The mechanics at your dealership are just too stupid to fix it. That's all that it is. There is no way that it would be a design problem that it would be undriveable in cold weather. The car is faulty! That is it. It probably just has a defective temperature sensor somewhere. There is no programming the ECU for cold climates.
Do you own a baseball bat?
Yes i do! Its a timber slugger...
i did not mention this before but
The bigger problem is the attitude, i know the service desk is a hard job but the young girl couldn't give a stuff, does not have the training or knowledge to be there.
The young mechanics, that were buzing around didn't want to talk to me because they were too buisy perving on the service girls low cut top...even to the point that one turned his back on me.
worst ever
HappyDaze 路
The VW dealers certainly are, in general, a real problem.
Yes, back in the early days there just as many 'faulty' VWs as today, however:-
1. The cars were MUCH SIMPLER, and therefore easier to fix.
2. The mechanics were MUCH BETTER TRAINED.
3. Not many people knew about these problems, unlike today - with all the communications we have.
Message to VW Australia.......look at the history books.馃憤
whathaveidone 路
Different brand same problem.
ISUZU work truck kept going into limp mode. The truck spent 2 days in the shop getting fixed. picked it up late friday night. Left early monday morning. Got 80ks down the road and it goes into limp mode again.Take it back to the dealer and tell him whats going on." Shrugs his sholders" Not my problem. Laughs and walks away!!!!!!! Nearly jumped the counter!!!!! Spent 8 hours waiting for them to replace a senser that they charged me for on friday but found out they only cleaned!!!!!! Then tried to charge me for it again. Changed there mind when i told them ill charge them for a days lost wages and sales!!!!! O and fair traiding was thrown in there too.
Needles to say the truck is up for sale and were looking onto buying a VW or mercedes van!!!!!!!!
sgetty 路
whathaveidone wrote:Different brand same problem.
ISUZU work truck kept going into limp mode. The truck spent 2 days in the shop getting fixed. picked it up late friday night. Left early monday morning. Got 80ks down the road and it goes into limp mode again.Take it back to the dealer and tell him whats going on." Shrugs his sholders" Not my problem. Laughs and walks away!!!!!!! Nearly jumped the counter!!!!! Spent 8 hours waiting for them to replace a senser that they charged me for on friday but found out they only cleaned!!!!!! Then tried to charge me for it again. Changed there mind when i told them ill charge them for a days lost wages and sales!!!!! O and fair traiding was thrown in there too.
Needles to say the truck is up for sale and were looking onto buying a VW or mercedes van!!!!!!!!
shrugg of the shoulders, thats what i got and its really not good enough..
If you do vw, i cannot fault our crafter its been brilliant..bar the front shocks that had a knock but but they were replaced no probs under warranty.
The service department here though took a month to get the part because they forgot to order it though lol...
Phil74Camper 路
Some good points Greg. The whole dealership set-up is different now. When VWs were first sold, NSW distributors LNC Industries set up a whole new subsidiary called Lanock Motors (named after two of their directors Mr Lane and Mr Locke) to sell and service Volkswagens, and nothng else. In the 1950s they also had the Rover contract (and owned Grenville Motors) but they set up a SEPARATE dealer chain.
Some country dealers were joint Rover / VW dealers, but the city ones were all Volkswagen only. Lanock Motors even set up a mechanic training school at their branch at Five Dock. So the dealers sold, and serviced, nothing but VWs, had their mechanics trained on nothing but VWs, and they all got very good at it. Some of the air-cooled models had problems - the 36-hp and early 40-hp models had engine issues, the Type 3 (especially the twin-carb models) were problematic, and the post-'68 CKD models were comparitively badly built. But the dealers could fix them, and service them, and with over 300 Australian VW agents in the 1960s customers were well looked after.
I reckon the rot set in in 1973, when LNC gained the Subaru franchise and started selling them and servicing them at VW dealers - which soon became joint Subaru/VW dealers. The 'VW specialist' expertise was soon watered down, even more so when LNC also sold Fiats, Renaults and Lancias at VW dealers. Many long-time VW mechanics left to start their own VW service businesses. By the late '80s the original VW dealers were mostly non-VW, or gone altogether, when LNC went bust and Ateco took over.
There were lots of 'interim' VW dealers that only lasted a few years when the VW business was moved from Ateco, to TKM, to Inchcape. By the time today's VW Group Australia started in 2001, they pretty much had to start from scratch. There are no air-cooled era VW dealers left, anywhere in Australia. The oldest existing now is Denlo Motors at Parramatta - they started in 1993.
Today's 'motor city' VW dealers treat VWs as just another brand they can sell. Even Barloworld, which is a South African company that is VW-only in Sydney, sells other makes in Melbourne.
The original 1955 Volkswagen Club of NSW was founded by staff at Lanock Motors in William St, to boost their knowledge and enthusiasm for the make by going on runs, trials and motorkhanas together. Can you imagine that happening today? The Nationals are only a couple of weeks away and NO Sydney dealer is interested in participating - Dave asks around every year.
Exception - we WERE invited to display our classic VWs at the opening of North Shore VW at Artarmon last year.
L469 路
Phil74Camper wrote:Some good points Greg. The whole dealership set-up is different now. When VWs were first sold, NSW distributors LNC Industries set up a whole new subsidiary called Lanock Motors (named after two of their directors Mr Lane and Mr Locke) to sell and service Volkswagens, and nothng else. In the 1950s they also had the Rover contract (and owned Grenville Motors) but they set up a SEPARATE dealer chain.
Some country dealers were joint Rover / VW dealers, but the city ones were all Volkswagen only. Lanock Motors even set up a mechanic training school at their branch at Five Dock. So the dealers sold, and serviced, nothing but VWs, had their mechanics trained on nothing but VWs, and they all got very good at it. Some of the air-cooled models had problems - the 36-hp and early 40-hp models had engine issues, the Type 3 (especially the twin-carb models) were problematic, and the post-'68 CKD models were comparitively badly built. But the dealers could fix them, and service them, and with over 300 Australian VW agents in the 1960s customers were well looked after.
I reckon the rot set in in 1973, when LNC gained the Subaru franchise and started selling them and servicing them at VW dealers - which soon became joint Subaru/VW dealers. The 'VW specialist' expertise was soon watered down, even more so when LNC also sold Fiats, Renaults and Lancias at VW dealers. Many long-time VW mechanics left to start their own VW service businesses. By the late '80s the original VW dealers were mostly non-VW, or gone altogether, when LNC went bust and Ateco took over.
There were lots of 'interim' VW dealers that only lasted a few years when the VW business was moved from Ateco, to TKM, to Inchcape. By the time today's VW Group Australia started in 2001, they pretty much had to start from scratch. There are no air-cooled era VW dealers left, anywhere in Australia. The oldest existing now is Denlo Motors at Parramatta - they started in 1993.
Today's 'motor city' VW dealers treat VWs as just another brand they can sell. Even Barloworld, which is a South African company that is VW-only in Sydney, sells other makes in Melbourne.
The original 1955 Volkswagen Club of NSW was founded by staff at Lanock Motors in William St, to boost their knowledge and enthusiasm for the make by going on runs, trials and motorkhanas together. Can you imagine that happening today? The Nationals are only a couple of weeks away and NO Sydney dealer is interested in participating - Dave asks around every year.
Exception - we WERE invited to display our classic VWs at the opening of North Shore VW at Artarmon last year.
i thought mullers was an old dealer ?
AA003 路
L469 wrote:I thought mullers was an old dealer ?
Yes, not VWs currently.
AA003 路
It's not a VW and Audi dealer in the Illawarra is it?
I have a history with that one!馃槵
sgetty wrote:the young girl
There's your problem! Dealing with gender impaired.馃憥
newghia 路
Cold climate problem...........ummmm, German company isn't it ?????????
Not exactly the hottest country in the world !
Slap them in the face with that !
Phil74Camper 路
Muller and Muller lost their 'official VW dealer' contract in 1994. They are still in business, yes, but are not a Volkswagen dealer.
There is currently no VW dealer in Sydney's Canterbury-Bankstown area, nor in Hurstville/Kogarah. Fairfield is the third-most populated Sydney district and hasn't had a VW dealer since the '60s. Other large-population areas of Sydney still without a VW dealer are the Hills District, Sydney City, Warringah, Randwick and Ku-ring-gai.
In NSW country the biggest towns without a VW dealer include Shellharbour, Albury, Ballina, Queanbeyan, Goulburn, Armidale, Broken Hill, Forster, Griffith, Cessnock, Grafton and Taree. All of them with over 15,000 people (Shellharbour has 65,000!) Yet - strangely - Bega has a VW dealer, with a population of just 4,500.
Much more work to be done here by VWGA.
barls 路
taree had one and i believe it was taken off the people that had it after some complaints.
Phil74Camper 路
Yes Taree Continental Cars on the corner of Pacific Hwy and Railway Pde, became a VW dealer in 1990 (with numerous other makes) during the Ateco days. Lost the VW dealership contract in 2007. No replacement yet.
blutopless2 路
simplest fix is to take it to another dealer. If its a commonly known problem then this should've been explained to you before the purchase was made etc... which i doubt it is.
Im sure you will find another dealer willing to help and fix it.
sgetty 路
No dealer is in Tamworth nsw and i think the next dealer is hunter or port maquarie...
Yes exactly i was not made aware of the problem before i bought it!
donn 路
An email or letter to head office? Phone calls don't work, they get thrown in the bin!
sander288 路
VW dealer in Coffs Harbour
tweety 路
Everyones entitled to an opinion and here's mine.
I owned a top of the range Tiguan diesel auto. Not bad car. Economical too. But some niggling issues persisted including oil consumption so bad it wouldnt last 15,000 between services without a top up. VW said "that's normal". So approaching 60,000kms I was thinking of selling it. Then the 60,000 km service came around. It had a DSG gearbox so an extra $450 on top of the standard service charge. And a new windscreen set me back a further $950 and that charge was cheap compared to the listed price- around $1450. So an all up cost of just under 2 grand for a 60,000 km service and new screen.
Sold the car. Now I also own a Hyundai i30 diesel. A totally different vehicle by far but if I assess the operational servicing costs of the i30 and that over 230,000 ksm of trouble free driving then I'm sold on Hyundai. And zero oil use. So IF I was to want an SUV I'd check out the Toyotas, Hyundai and most likely the great Subaru's. I wont go back to VW.
Bizarre 路
tweety wrote:including oil consumption so bad it wouldnt last 15,000 between services without a top up. .
hah!
Good thing you dont own a Polo GTi
1L per 2,000kms is "acceptable" 馃槀馃お馃槧
sgetty 路
tweety wrote:Everyones entitled to an opinion and here's mine.
I owned a top of the range Tiguan diesel auto. Not bad car. Economical too. But some niggling issues persisted including oil consumption so bad it wouldnt last 15,000 between services without a top up. VW said "that's normal". So approaching 60,000kms I was thinking of selling it. Then the 60,000 km service came around. It had a DSG gearbox so an extra $450 on top of the standard service charge. And a new windscreen set me back a further $950 and that charge was cheap compared to the listed price- around $1450. So an all up cost of just under 2 grand for a 60,000 km service and new screen.
Sold the car. Now I also own a Hyundai i30 diesel. A totally different vehicle by far but if I assess the operational servicing costs of the i30 and that over 230,000 ksm of trouble free driving then I'm sold on Hyundai. And zero oil use. So IF I was to want an SUV I'd check out the Toyotas, Hyundai and most likely the great Subaru's. I wont go back to VW.
I am starting to feel that way,very disappointing..
sgetty 路
-1 this morning very hesitant... would hate to try to pull out on a highway in the cold if it wasn't warmed up..
ian.mezz 路
Bizarre wrote:
tweety wrote:including oil consumption so bad it wouldnt last 15,000 between services without a top up. .
hah!
Good thing you dont own a Polo GTi
1L per 2,000kms is "acceptable" 馃槀馃お馃槧
I was watching the race golfs last year at the vw Nationals Supersprints...... and they were topping the oil up after each 5 laps 馃槉
donn 路
So all that oil must be burnt (?) how does that meet polution requirements?
sgetty 路
update.....
i have had contact today and have been advised that it is the engine mapping that does it? I have to start the car then turn it off to try reset the mapping on cold start.
i have no idea what that is anyone?
AA003 路
sgetty wrote:update.....
i have had contact today and have been advised that it is the engine mapping that does it? I have to start the car then turn it off to try reset the mapping on cold start.
i have no idea what that is anyone?
I think that the person that told you that has no idea either.
Lucky Phil 路
I have owned my Hilux for 12 years and haven't had such issues.
This morning it choked on a gutful of unusually cold air on startup.
Took all of 2 seconds to recover.
Drove perfectly. As usual.
WTF is going on with these supposedly more evolved products?
sgetty 路
Lucky Phil wrote:I have owned my Hilux for 12 years and haven't had such issues.
This morning it choked on a gutful of unusually cold air on startup.
Took all of 2 seconds to recover.
Drove perfectly. As usual.
WTF is going on with these supposedly more evolved products?
Id say in the race for Quantity, Quality has been compromised..
They have offered to lend me another one to see if it is the same but we are getting cloud cover at the moment so might not get cold mornings again till that clears.
its was 8 degrees this morning so i had no problem
Canni. 路
I was also getting oil consumption issues on my 2010 polo gti (and not alone as there are many threads on it on the watercooled vw forum).... a whopping 1.3 litres consumed every 1000km. Had a rebuilt engine and a new engine and the problem still continued at varying rates but I would never get over 2000km without an oil top up. Vw dealerships don't care at one point they told me they had no fix and to just keep coming back for oil top ups?? The service was pretty poor and the cost of a service was high and probably unnecessary me paying for oil change considering I was pretty much replacing the entire oil content ever 2 months hah.
I sold when the issue appeared to be resolved (though I have no faith in those engines) and went back to my '60 bug as a daily. It has a judson and doesn't burn as much oil as my new volkswagen did!
blutopless2 路
AA003 wrote:
sgetty wrote:update.....
i have had contact today and have been advised that it is the engine mapping that does it? I have to start the car then turn it off to try reset the mapping on cold start.
i have no idea what that is anyone?
I think that the person that told you that has no idea either.
I second that....
matberry 路
^^ 3rded
bajachris88 路
mapping is the programmed 'air/fuel' ratio. its like a curve in a graph... where the fuel delivered is dependant on temperature (in engine), air temperature, manifold pressure MAP (or mass air flow MAF), rpm etc. to ensure optimal fuel/spark delivery and thus adequate burn. This mapping also includes the ignition advance 'curve' based on those same parameters. the computer is meant to put all these measured parameters together to determine both your spark timing and fuel injector squirt duration.
your hesitation is typical of a lean condition. efi has no 'choke' like the old skool cars to suck in more fuel, so the computer should be able to recognise that and provide more fuel for the cold condition. Most cars have a cold start injector, but i believe that is for the hard starting attributed to cold, as opposed to driving/running in cold. A car without a cold starter (like an 80's jdm celica i once had) had rough starts in cold and took a couple more turns then normal, yet would run fine once it starts up. While a 90's ADM celica i once had, had the cold start injector and it would do just start, inject on a 'cold start', and made the motor fire up easier.
What you describe though is a continual issue after you have 'started' in the 'cold'... 馃お
ian.mezz 路
I think they make cars so fast these days they dont have the time for testing, so you get the green car and the public do the real time testing. they run them so lean to get good fuel econ. the next model series 2 will be better .
After the customer do the testing and vw work out haw to improve it.
bajachris88 路
Actually, if its the mapping the dealer might just have to obtain a revised 'firmware' or map for your ecu and simply upload. They might be able to tell you if there is one in the making.
There might be a revision floating around. Otherwise, some tuners are also able to modify existing ecu's so they may upload their own air/fuel maps (to account for engine modifications), and thus you could have it independantly retuned. Goodbye warranty i spose.. 馃檨 eek. At the end of the day its dealers responsibility.
sgetty 路
bajachris88 wrote:mapping is the programmed 'air/fuel' ratio. its like a curve in a graph... where the fuel delivered is dependant on temperature (in engine), air temperature, manifold pressure MAP (or mass air flow MAF), rpm etc. to ensure optimal fuel/spark delivery and thus adequate burn. This mapping also includes the ignition advance 'curve' based on those same parameters. the computer is meant to put all these measured parameters together to determine both your spark timing and fuel injector squirt duration.
your hesitation is typical of a lean condition. efi has no 'choke' like the old skool cars to suck in more fuel, so the computer should be able to recognise that and provide more fuel for the cold condition. Most cars have a cold start injector, but i believe that is for the hard starting attributed to cold, as opposed to driving/running in cold. A car without a cold starter (like an 80's jdm celica i once had) had rough starts in cold and took a couple more turns then normal, yet would run fine once it starts up. While a 90's ADM celica i once had, had the cold start injector and it would do just start, inject on a 'cold start', and made the motor fire up easier.
What you describe though is a continual issue after you have 'started' in the 'cold'... 馃お
Yes i see now, looks like i am the guinea pig and my amarok is the series 1 VN commadore of the naughties..
does anyone remember those i had one.
the only car worst series 1 EA falcon
donn 路
Hmm, same sort of problem different car and situation.
When I first got my diesel Caddy, second hand and 200k on the clock, quite often it would hardly move when I started in the morning (cold and up a bit of a hill) I found that if I lifted the foot off the accelerator then planted it the car would take off and the problem disappear, hasn't done it for ages now though we are just getting into the colder weather, I hope the problem dosn't return. When I mentioned it to the VW service people here in Newcastle they simply shruged and told me I would have to learn how to drive it, that was a great help. 馃檯
sgetty 路
My last car was a caddy but the petrol, only cold start badly(rough idle) once and never did it again.
How much does a bad attitude inflame the situation and why do these people have jobs if they just don't give a stuff?
ian.mezz 路
yep vn commodore i did heaps of the recalls.
starter motor
welsh plugs
coil paks
rear main oil seals
fuel pump
fuel line hammer
computer memcal replace
timing chain replace
did these for weeks every day another VN recall list to do. 馃お
these days they have updates just like your home computer get from mircosoft. etc
these days they can plug your car in and a vw tech in the home land can check out maping. it sounds like it just needs a little more fuel on cold starts ,
just like how a auto choke works on a carby.
Yogie 路
sgetty wrote:
bajachris88 wrote:mapping is the programmed 'air/fuel' ratio. its like a curve in a graph... where the fuel delivered is dependant on temperature (in engine), air temperature, manifold pressure MAP (or mass air flow MAF), rpm etc. to ensure optimal fuel/spark delivery and thus adequate burn. This mapping also includes the ignition advance 'curve' based on those same parameters. the computer is meant to put all these measured parameters together to determine both your spark timing and fuel injector squirt duration.
your hesitation is typical of a lean condition. efi has no 'choke' like the old skool cars to suck in more fuel, so the computer should be able to recognise that and provide more fuel for the cold condition. Most cars have a cold start injector, but i believe that is for the hard starting attributed to cold, as opposed to driving/running in cold. A car without a cold starter (like an 80's jdm celica i once had) had rough starts in cold and took a couple more turns then normal, yet would run fine once it starts up. While a 90's ADM celica i once had, had the cold start injector and it would do just start, inject on a 'cold start', and made the motor fire up easier.
What you describe though is a continual issue after you have 'started' in the 'cold'... 馃お
Yes i see now, looks like i am the guinea pig and my amarok is the series 1 VN commadore of the naughties..
does anyone remember those i had one.
the only car worst series 1 EA falcon
I remember only too well. I got one of the first VN wagons when they were released. Driving it out of the dealer, I had to go back as the auto box was stuck in 2nd. On the drive home, the speedo broke not to mention ALL the paint defects. The last straw was when the passenger window just shattered overnight when it was parked and the dealer didn't want to know about it. I have not nor will I ever buy another Holden since.
Yogie
Lucky Phil 路
bajachris88 wrote:Actually, if its the mapping the dealer might just have to obtain a revised 'firmware' or map for your ecu and simply upload. They might be able to tell you if there is one in the making.
There might be a revision floating around. Otherwise, some tuners are also able to modify existing ecu's so they may upload their own air/fuel maps (to account for engine modifications), and thus you could have it independantly retuned. Goodbye warranty i spose.. 馃檨 eek. At the end of the day its dealers responsibility.
So much easier for the dealer to just make the problem go away.
AA003 路
I doubt if it is a mapping problem. The VW dealer would have been notified and it would be an easy upload. If it was a design problem there would be thousands with the same problem.
You have a defective part on your vehicle (probably a sensor). They should fix it.
A friend of mine bought a near new GTI for half price because it would not run properly. The original owner had taken it back to dealers over many months and they could not find the fault. The new owner just kept checking things and found that the altitude correction sensor was faulty. It cost him about $100 to replace.
sgetty 路
An altitude correction sensor...hmmmm i am 800m and Tamworth is only 400 odd i wonder.
If there is thousands more with this problem it may be a case that its still a little early in most areas that is hasn't got cold enough yet..
If there is more with this problem then i think its going to more likely that mine will get fixed and if its something else well who knows really if it will get fixed or not.
sgetty 路
AA003 wrote:I doubt if it is a mapping problem. The VW dealer would have been notified and it would be an easy upload. If it was a design problem there would be thousands with the same problem.
You have a defective part on your vehicle (probably a sensor). They should fix it.
A friend of mine bought a near new GTI for half price because it would not run properly. The original owner had taken it back to dealers over many months and they could not find the fault. The new owner just kept checking things and found that the altitude correction sensor was faulty. It cost him about $100 to replace.
You have to wonder why sometimes they don't just replace a few things like sensors that are probable causes rather than doing nothing and just waiting for the answer to magically appear.
A few years ago we had a air leak in our exhaust brakes on our 6 tonne hino, had it in and out so many time they would think it was here and then replace one seal.
A trucky friend said you know in the long run you would be better off replacing the whole thing compressor seals lines everying in the long run!
And he was right it was three or four to replace the whole unit but
cost us because they couldn't find the problem
around six because they spent so much time trying to track down the leak in wages and parts and replaced three quarters the whole system in the end.