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66deluxe ·
Aussieveedubbers · General Chit Chat
VW stops production of Magnesium crankcases.
https://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/threads/102909/vw-stops-production-of-magnesium-crankcases
MickH ·
Why?? the Ally ones are better...?
matberry ·
🙁
Craig Torrens ·
Ally = Bullet proof 👍
STIDUB ·
8kg heavier though apparently, all where you don't want it :P
bajachris88 ·
I'm sure someone on the aftermarket front will adopt the production, seeing there will be a demand still. Unless there are patents i suppose...
Craig Torrens ·
LOL, the extra weight has bugger all affect on handling.STIDUB wrote:8kg heavier though apparently, all where you don't want it :P
whats a large aftermarket sump, external oil filter and coolers filled with extra oil weigh.......no one has a problem adding that extra weight to the rear of a beetle !!!
sander288 ·
if we were really looking to save weight out back we'd call them "Slim Boy" mufflers!!!
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Doug Sweetman ·
Just have another muffin to even it out....
fish26 ·
ally all the way
narumi ·
not to mention the subwoofer/ speaker box right behind rear seatCraig Torrens wrote:LOL, the extra weight has bugger all affect on handling.STIDUB wrote:8kg heavier though apparently, all where you don't want it :P
whats a large aftermarket sump, external oil filter and coolers filled with extra oil weigh.......no one has a problem adding that extra weight to the rear of a beetle !!!
matberry ·
Wow, surprised to here you say that Craig. Adding all that weight does make your car handle worse. The engine is behind the axle and so extra engine weight means more rear bias, so reduces front end grip and increases the pendulum out the back. Now day to day you may think it's un-noticeable, but it WILL make an effect. The time you might notice it is that little loose that you may have caught without the extra pendumum but with it you missed catching it and it sent you into the wall. Same on the street IMO, that near miss could get turned into that spin into on coming traffic/tree/whatever....you get the idea.Craig Torrens wrote:LOL, the extra weight has bugger all affect on handling.STIDUB wrote:8kg heavier though apparently, all where you don't want it :P
whats a large aftermarket sump, external oil filter and coolers filled with extra oil weigh.......no one has a problem adding that extra weight to the rear of a beetle !!!
Extra sumps and oil and big carbs all add weight, so it is very important to limit the addition of weight to the engine. you start with an 8kg block, and then add 2 for carbs, another 2 or 3 for big heads, another 3 - 5 for oil, say 1 for oil system. Even the crankshaft gets heavier, about the only thing that looses weight is the flywheel and that is at the front of the engine.... Add it up, lets go with the big numbers as there are definately more heavier parts added that I haven't included (actual sump, c/m pushrods, bigger pistons/cylinders, valve springs, exhaust...it all adds up) So we're pretty close to 20kg without trying to hard....and to think you can't feel that hanging out the back!
My 2c
HappyDaze ·
I'll see you, Matt...and raise another 2c.matberry wrote:Wow, surprised to here you say that Craig. Adding all that weight does make your car handle worse. The engine is behind the axle and so extra engine weight means more rear bias, so reduces front end grip and increases the pendulum out the back. Now day to day you may think it's un-noticeable, but it WILL make an effect. The time you might notice it is that little loose that you may have caught without the extra pendumum but with it you missed catching it and it sent you into the wall. Same on the street IMO, that near miss could get turned into that spin into on coming traffic/tree/whatever....you get the idea.Craig Torrens wrote:LOL, the extra weight has bugger all affect on handling.STIDUB wrote:8kg heavier though apparently, all where you don't want it :P
whats a large aftermarket sump, external oil filter and coolers filled with extra oil weigh.......no one has a problem adding that extra weight to the rear of a beetle !!!
Extra sumps and oil and big carbs all add weight, so it is very important to limit the addition of weight to the engine. you start with an 8kg block, and then add 2 for carbs, another 2 or 3 for big heads, another 3 - 5 for oil, say 1 for oil system. Even the crankshaft gets heavier, about the only thing that looses weight is the flywheel and that is at the front of the engine.... Add it up, lets go with the big numbers as there are definately more heavier parts added that I haven't included (actual sump, c/m pushrods, bigger pistons/cylinders, valve springs, exhaust...it all adds up) So we're pretty close to 20kg without trying to hard....and to think you can't feel that hanging out the back!
My 2c
jandk ·
Chuck a bag of cement up front problem solved 😂
Craig Torrens ·
Yep that's right Matt, an extra 20kg has been added into a 'modified beetle' already in the rear, with probably 99% of beetle owners experiencing no difference in how the car drives since adding the parts. Its the same with the case, BUGGER ALL will feel the handling change by fitting an engine made with a Ally case.matberry wrote:Wow, surprised to here you say that Craig. Adding all that weight does make your car handle worse. The engine is behind the axle and so extra engine weight means more rear bias, so reduces front end grip and increases the pendulum out the back. Now day to day you may think it's un-noticeable, but it WILL make an effect. The time you might notice it is that little loose that you may have caught without the extra pendumum but with it you missed catching it and it sent you into the wall. Same on the street IMO, that near miss could get turned into that spin into on coming traffic/tree/whatever....you get the idea.Craig Torrens wrote:LOL, the extra weight has bugger all affect on handling.STIDUB wrote:8kg heavier though apparently, all where you don't want it :P
whats a large aftermarket sump, external oil filter and coolers filled with extra oil weigh.......no one has a problem adding that extra weight to the rear of a beetle !!!
Extra sumps and oil and big carbs all add weight, so it is very important to limit the addition of weight to the engine. you start with an 8kg block, and then add 2 for carbs, another 2 or 3 for big heads, another 3 - 5 for oil, say 1 for oil system. Even the crankshaft gets heavier, about the only thing that looses weight is the flywheel and that is at the front of the engine.... Add it up, lets go with the big numbers as there are definately more heavier parts added that I haven't included (actual sump, c/m pushrods, bigger pistons/cylinders, valve springs, exhaust...it all adds up) So we're pretty close to 20kg without trying to hard....and to think you can't feel that hanging out the back!
My 2c
My comments are not in relation to building the ultimate street or race car, but more to say that in most situations the Ally case will not change the handling or should I say handling feel of the car the block is being used in.
I'd be more worried about being hit by a beetle using 135tyres that couldn't stop rather than an Ally case powered one with a so called pendulum problem !! 😂😂😂 😂
66deluxe ·
But 135's are the new racing slick. Your missing out Craig.
mactaylor ·
yeah it all depends on your setup. but i agree with matt weight does matter! the biggest improvement we can make with our little cars is weight reduction and a HP jump. Put the weight in the right spots and it improves the driving expeirience. Craig you must agree "To add speed add lightness"!
Craig Torrens ·
My discussion isn't about whether "lighter is faster", its about most VW drivers noticing bugger all difference in the handling of their car if they fitted a motor built using a Ally case over a mag one.👍
Anyway back to the topic.......so what is everyone doing about stockpiling ?
Has there been an increase in retail price yet for the cases ?
Anyway back to the topic.......so what is everyone doing about stockpiling ?
Has there been an increase in retail price yet for the cases ?
vlad01 ·
yeah I agree, it would be a placebo effect if you claimed to notice 8 friggen kg.Craig Torrens wrote:My discussion isn't about whether "lighter is faster", its about most VW drivers noticing bugger all difference in the handling of their car if they fitted a motor built using a Ally case over a mag one.👍
Anyway back to the topic.......so what is everyone doing about stockpiling ?
Has there been an increase in retail price yet for the cases ?
I didn't even notice what probably was 100kg of crap in the back of my SB back in the day when I still had it, not even taking it sideways on a dirt road. I noticed infinitely greater effect which tyre width and pressure than what weight did.
bajachris88 ·
If really worried about weight bias, you could offset the additional kgs by moving the battery to the front nose in front of the leading wheels. The distance won't be a problem, as it works for ricers with battery in the boot. thats about 18kgs 👍
I can't say i have seen or heard this done much, apart from drag applications under teh fibreglass front ends (which have the battery still behind the front wheels.)
I can't say i have seen or heard this done much, apart from drag applications under teh fibreglass front ends (which have the battery still behind the front wheels.)
66deluxe ·
Who cares about the extra weight just learn how to drive to correct the apparent extra weight.
vlad01 ·
exactly! The only time I had to drive different to correct for the weight was when there was 5 people altogether in the car. how many kg is that?66deluxe wrote:Who cares about the extra weight just learn how to drive to correct the apparent extra weight.
say 75kg on average each = 375kg. yes you do notice it then.
vlad01 ·
bajachris88 wrote:If really worried about weight bias, you could offset the additional kgs by moving the battery to the front nose in front of the leading wheels. The distance won't be a problem, as it works for ricers with battery in the boot. thats about 18kgs 👍
I can't say i have seen or heard this done much, apart from drag applications under teh fibreglass front ends (which have the battery still behind the front wheels.)
what about all that copper you add 😂
not much of an offset then.
pete wood ·
fish26 ·
No use crying over spilt milk, I'm buying shares in Autolinea
Craig Torrens ·
For all the die hard VW case people, I'm happy to swap a AS21 bored for 90.5 case for an Ally one if anyone is interested 👍
matberry ·
I got a 5000km used one I'd happily swap 😂
Craig Torrens ·
Sounds good Matt...............unless its that shonk one that's been welded up?
colin ·
Having a car with a original VW mag case it is a little disappointing that they will be ceasing production.
Yes ally cases are far stronger, and an excellent choice for 99% of people.
However , anyone that comments that an extra 8kg won,t make any difference to a cars handling especially in a Beetle in the rear.
Well you simply have no clue about car set up, weight transfer and corner weighting. 🙅
Cheers Col
Yes ally cases are far stronger, and an excellent choice for 99% of people.
However , anyone that comments that an extra 8kg won,t make any difference to a cars handling especially in a Beetle in the rear.
Well you simply have no clue about car set up, weight transfer and corner weighting. 🙅
Cheers Col
matberry ·
Damn........Craig Torrens wrote:Sounds good Matt...............unless its that shonk one that's been welded up?
Craig Torrens ·
Go back and read what I said again.colin wrote:However , anyone that comments that an extra 8kg won,t make any difference to a cars handling especially in a Beetle in the rear.
Well you simply have no clue about car set up, weight transfer and corner weighting. 🙅
As for knowing about car setup, well when you match my times with 40 less HP and 45kg more race weight in your car then I might respect your opinion........until then you have a lot to learn.
Maybe you could run an Ally case, so then you could have another excuse for not performing ? 🤪
66deluxe ·
So yeah VW has apperently stopped making magnesium cases now.
fish26 ·
shame, cause the ally cases are 8kg heavier 😂