NSW Proposed Rego changes

This will affect everyone in NSW with an older car if it becomes law.

http://vehicleregistration.engagementhq.com/vehicle-registration-initiatives-vri

One hopes it does not. You can comment and I urge YOUR club to take it on notice.

Cheers,

Ian

Rego payment based on an environmental criteria?!?!

I wonder how that works!?

In a short term, small minded approach, sure the emissions of an old dub will be crud compared to a new car.

But in the long term / larger picture, the reuse/recycle of a car like a dub and maximising its life cycle eliminates the huge emissions in the manufacture of a new car (right back to the mining of the ore to make it).

I'm sure the green beans won't see that side of the story. Most likely their ideal senario is we all drive limp wristed prius's, without thinking about the environmental disaster of disposing of all those batteries, or the disposable design of the car by writing it off in crumple zones and plastic when you hit your neighbours cat. bloody heros.

If NSW wasn't so freckin backwards it would adopt the NCOP system the same as nearly every other state in Australia which is a lot more straight foward system.
The NCOP system stands for the " National Code of Practice " which funnily enough is not very national when not all states want to play ball so to speak .
Having read quite a bit of the system here in Qld it is the way of the future and would put us all on a level playing field if every state was to use it , for instance if you currently get a modified car approved in Qld and then moved to NSW or vise versa , your car has to be TOTALLY RE ENGINEERED as the interstate buricrats approvals are void in the other state but if both states were to use the same system it would be just a simple transfer , but hell i suppose that would mean some dam buricratic dick would loose his job , and hell we can't have that , lol
In short i would encourage you NSW people and your clubs to fight to get the NCOP system in place as opposed to your current VSS blah blah blah crap ,

Anyway thats my stand on the soap box on this matter and i hope it works out for you all

So the motorists party as elected have no stance on this ? if this is so it was a lot of wasted votes.As towdster says Blah Blah blah keep some one in a job by making lots of paperwork. End of rant.

grumble wrote:So the motorists party as elected have no stance on this ?

Based on the recent interview he gave where he couldn't explain what the aftermarket industry was, I would be surprised if he can find his way to Canberra.😂

Yogie

Yogie wrote:

grumble wrote:So the motorists party as elected have no stance on this ?

Based on the recent interview he gave where he couldn't explain what the aftermarket industry was, I would be surprised if he can find his way to Canberra.😂

Yogie

I know I said end of rant but I agree with you Yogie a lot of wasted votes there.

While I agree with your sentiments, he is in the Federal Government, and the issue is a NSW State issue - ie - wrong tier of government.

All I see is it costing us more money and the Government claiming back some of their debt (should read- screwing us over more).

guys lets keep off the politics in here or it will be moved to the ba section.

Why is the motoring enthusiast being punished once again for wanting to own an older vehicle!!!!
Man I'm sick to death of these clowns trying to get OUR cars and hobby off OUR roads that we have paid for......😬😬😬

So...... How do I look up the ANCAP rating for my Baja? 😂

Pedestrian crash rating -04, Death Guaranteed

The article focuses more on Power to Weight than age

It appears that 'they' can change, or make up rules whenever they like.

I recently bought a 1924 Minerva with the ORIGINAL number plates attached......it has been registered in NSW every year since January, 1925 ! Despite the number plates being purchased separately [separate receipt shows this], NSW RMS charged me $366 for a "Plate Transfer", even though they did not own the plates !!!!! This was on top of a rather large 'Stamp Duty' fee. Fair ? When I protested, the girl at the counter said "I don't make the rules...you can hand the plates in if you don't want to pay".

Nice car Greg, looks to be in condition, what are you going to do with it? Restore or just use it?

You should write a letter to them Greg complaining about this, maybe the counter jumper got it wrong

The RMS are pricks, hopefully car clubs and motoring organisations can keep them in check

Steve, no restoration...just maintaining the car in roadworthy condition. It's 90 years old, and almost completely original. The sleeve-valve 3.3 litre engine still runs beautifully, and is so quiet. Everything works - even the 8 day clock keeps good time. I will be using it. 👍

May be worth a letter, asking how they can justify charging a fee on plates they do not own.

Greg, is that a big woolie ram for a hood ornament? 😂 love it!

Sure is, Chris - been on there almost 90 years...it's a 'Radiator Mascot', if you don't mind 😂. The 1st owner was a grazier out west [NSW]....2nd owner [his neighbour] had it since 1947....I am the 3rd owner.

As per Ian's original post, the RMS website link he posted contains the following:

"The proposed changes would apply to new passenger vehicles, new motorcycles, and to all caravans and light trailers."

It doesn't seem to be apply to older or classic vehicles, which do not have ANCAP ratings anyway.

Boozo wrote:Pedestrian crash rating -04, Death Guaranteed

Now you're just exaggerating. if I can knock them down they can pass underneath without any other injuries

HappyDaze wrote:

Love your car,.. and also that you are going to preserve it as is.
What a fantastic piece of history.

The Govt. should pay you some $ for keeping history alive.

Congrats.

nils wrote:

Boozo wrote:Pedestrian crash rating -04, Death Guaranteed

Now you're just exaggerating. if I can knock them down they can pass underneath without any other injuries

Ahh that is true. Just needs a fine layer of plastic of the steel bar to make it softer....or at least look that way

The forester has styrofoam in the fron bar.

nils wrote:

Boozo wrote:Pedestrian crash rating -04, Death Guaranteed

Now you're just exaggerating. if I can knock them down they can pass underneath without any other injuries

Many years ago my sister was hit while crossing at a pedestrian crossing putting her in hospital for some weeks, the vehicle that struck her was a VW beetle, it was the opinion of the police that had it been any other type of car she almost certainly would have been killed,it was their opinion that the fact that the dub did not have a square style front like most cars then the impact was less "direct" and therefore did less damage.

glad to hear don that your sis lived thru the hit :O
unfortunately if someone rolls upon my 54 beetle the flying vw on the bonnet I'm sure won't have the same outcome..

bajachris88 wrote:Rego payment based on an environmental criteria?!?!

I wonder how that works!?

In a short term, small minded approach, sure the emissions of an old dub will be crud compared to a new car.

But in the long term / larger picture, the reuse/recycle of a car like a dub and maximising its life cycle eliminates the huge emissions in the manufacture of a new car (right back to the mining of the ore to make it).

I'm sure the green beans won't see that side of the story. Most likely their ideal senario is we all drive limp wristed prius's, without thinking about the environmental disaster of disposing of all those batteries, or the disposable design of the car by writing it off in crumple zones and plastic when you hit your neighbours cat. bloody heros.

The environmental impact of plastic fragments is one of the biggest and unprecedented in history.

Its destroying our oceans. No! more cars that smash into plastic fragments when hit by an insects please.

Newer cars have horrific environmental impact when considering the whole life cycle of the car. May not be true in raw co2 emission in the life cycle but impact from oil based material, exotic metals and mining associated with them. even things like printing the patterns on the interior use toxic carcinogenic inks.

just look up embodied energy in various material. Plastic requires almost 5 times the energy to produce than steel. New cars are on average 2-3 times heavier than our classics.

said to be on average the total emissions of a car is 15% manufacture/recycle 85% from driving. not sure what this is based on though?


based on these things, people who do an engine conversion in their classics to a modern engine should have the cheapest rego. 😂

Camo wrote:All I see is it costing us more money and the Government claiming back some of their debt (should read- screwing us over more).

its good for their hip pockets.

time to move to NZ me thinks.

A lot of cars there don't even require o2 sensor or cats 😂

and you can do what ever you want to mod your car 🥷

nils wrote:

Boozo wrote:Pedestrian crash rating -04, Death Guaranteed

Now you're just exaggerating. if I can knock them down they can pass underneath without any other injuries

yes the floor pan is flat unlike jagged modern cars.

Phil74Camper wrote:As per Ian's original post, the RMS website link he posted contains the following:

"The proposed changes would apply to new passenger vehicles, new motorcycles, and to all caravans and light trailers."

It doesn't seem to be apply to older or classic vehicles, which do not have ANCAP ratings anyway.

Read page 24....Point 3.6.

https://s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/ehq-production-australia/b22c457acebcedb0d0639bdaa198032d4bab8314/documents/attachments/000/005/208/original/TNSW_Vehicle_Registration_DiscussionPaper_WCAG_%285%29.pdf?1401770884

Thanks for the link.

The section 3.6 does start off by saying "The proposal is to initially apply the new charging framework only to the registration of new light passenger vehicles and motorcycles from a prescribed implementation date. The reforms will not be retrospective."

It's the following paragraphs that show they are considering applying it to older vehicles at a later date: "Following implementation of the reforms for new vehicles, the remainder of the NSW light vehicle and motorcycle fleet would then be gradually transitioned over to the new charging framework. This would encourage the renewal of the NSW fleet. An adequate lead time is important to allow owners of second-hand vehicles that do not meet modern safety and environmental criteria time for transition to new charging criteria."

They will be allowing a few years yet for cheaper new safer cars to trickle down into the second-hand market, before applying the new charging framework to older cars. Plenty of time yet to write to Duncan Gay with feedback. Getteing crappy old cars off the road is probably a good idea in general but the classic car movement is a different thing. We'll be in touch with the CMC and get the feedback ball rolling to Duncan Gay. Closing date for submissions is 24 July.

On page 3 the discussion paper does say that conditionally registered cars ('club plates') will be exempt. Club plates are great if you are an active VW club member and have a modern VW to drive the rest of the week, but not everyone wants to do that.

Personally, this is just planting the seed for when they do roll it out.
Doesn't make it right cause the intention is to make it harder and more expensive for the enthusiast to rego their older car........

Further to that, if they really wanted to reform the rego system, they should rego the driver as part of their license and not their car(s) but that will never happen cause the RMS would never receive the same revenue.
If you have more than one car in your possession realistically, as the owner, you can only drive one car at a time.......

Flintstones wrote:Personally, this is just planting the seed for when they do roll it out.
Doesn't make it right cause the intention is to make it harder and more expensive for the enthusiast to rego their older car........

Further to that, if they really wanted to reform the rego system, they should rego the driver as part of their license and not their car(s) but that will never happen cause the RMS would never receive the same revenue.
If you have more than one car in your possession realistically, as the owner, you can only drive one car at a time.......

Agreed 100% and it will , over time affect ALL cars. Me, a collector who has nine or so vehicles would be heavily peanalised with an environmentally unfriendly old cars on Full NSW rego. Not because I want an old car but because I choose to drive it daily. You see if you cannot afford a new car (or newer car) you are peanalised.

That is my issue. I know a lot of people who choose to have their 70 + year old car on full rego as there are no club restrictions. The RMS have their eyes on this pack to grab more money from us.

A one car collector rego applicble to a certain amount of vehicles for a collector would would be brilliant. Bring it on!

Cheers,

Ian

I guess the politicians need their expense allowances. It can't be anything other than a money grab, because there is no reason to say our carbon neutral cars are damaging the environment.
There was a report done in Europe that discovered it would take 51 years of normal running for an historic car to pollute the atmosphere as much as the build of a Toyota Camry Hybrid and Prius.

This sort of stuff is pure horsecrap, I remember being in the UK when they brought in the Historic VED (Free) road tax, the reasoning was all based on environmental cost to replace. The government worked out the carbon footprint for each new car produced, then worked out how often cars are replaced on average, fleet cars were 2 years and family 3-7 years, that's how they came up with the Historic class and it was totally free, old cars were seen as carbon neutral, considering that a Prius is not carbon neutral until it's 18 years of age.

flipflopsurfer wrote:I guess the politicians need their expense allowances. It can't be anything other than a money grab, because there is no reason to say our carbon neutral cars are damaging the environment.
There was a report done in Europe that discovered it would take 51 years of normal running for an historic car to pollute the atmosphere as much as the build of a Toyota Camry Hybrid and Prius.

This sort of stuff is pure horsecrap, I remember being in the UK when they brought in the Historic VED (Free) road tax, the reasoning was all based on environmental cost to replace. The government worked out the carbon footprint for each new car produced, then worked out how often cars are replaced on average, fleet cars were 2 years and family 3-7 years, that's how they came up with the Historic class and it was totally free, old cars were seen as carbon neutral, considering that a Prius is not carbon neutral until it's 18 years of age.

Thats what I was thinking too.

h wrote:glad to hear don that your sis lived thru the hit :O
unfortunately if someone rolls upon my 54 beetle the flying vw on the bonnet I'm sure won't have the same outcome..

So you have a sharp protuberance on the front of your vehicle that was not fitted by the manufacturer
If it was my car, I would be asking my insurer if this dangerous addition voids my insurance

HappyDaze wrote:

Was this parked at Bowral today?

It certainly stands out. 😵

I have been saying this for years and will continue pushing the wheel barrow, especially now that the state government here in Tasmania has given up on rego labels.

There was a significant number of vehicles being apprehended for no rego when there was labels (easy to spot) now that we have a no label society the number will increase, even if just an oversight.

Rego IMO should be paid at the bowser with fuel useage. That way you pay the fees on the car/vehicle you are driving at the time. Own multiple cars? You can only drive one at a time, so why are we paying rego on all of them to sit at home? Answer:- The state government makes money out of enthusiasts.

The government has all the statistics and know the average mileage a person does over a twelve month period, it would not take a rocket scientist to work out the fee that would need to be added to each litre of fuel to equal a rego payment.

In the mean time here in Tasmania, I see more and more older cars on SI plates, that's not club plates, running around as commuters.

Just my thoughts.

Ken