As the title says - looking for one. Its for my current KO668 resto
I am aware of the ebay one - I think its too pricey.
Please pm me any leads or options . I would love to know
thanks in advance
Steve
steveo169 ·
Hi all
Any leads I'm
Still in need
Cheers
Steve
11CAB ·
No steering wheels for you, but we have KO669 here in Brisbane.
ztnoo ·
Graham,
Is this a listing saying KO 669 is for sale?
Curious.
Steve
* Election Day USA 2016, Nov. 8
11CAB ·
No Steve, just saying that it's cool that two consecutive KO numbers are on opposite sides of the country.
ztnoo ·
OK.....got it now.
My misunderstanding. 😵💫
The noted extreme physical separation of successive KO numbers is interesting.
One might assume they would more likely be in closer physical proximity to each other.
They as about as greatly separated from each other as possible, and still be on the same continent.
Interesting.
steveo169 ·
they were originally close to each other, but they cant get close to each other now without a steering wheel..................
11CAB ·
PM sent
waltermitty ·
znoot what does the script in your avatar say?
ztnoo ·
Molon Labe:
Translated Greek for "Come and get it." Pronounced "Moh-lone Lah-Veh". Originates from King Leonidas of Sparta, in a message to King Xerxes of Persia, when an overwhelming Persian army demanded that 300 Spartan warriors drop their weapons. Leonidas replied "Molon Labe" (Come and get them) and 300 of his Spartans, and Leonidas himself, were killed, but in so doing killed and took huge tolls on the enemy and stalled the Persian army for long enough to let the rest of Greece prepare themselves for the war.
steveo169 ·
Thanks for bumps boys
Now anyone got a steering wheel before this becomes the cb hijack capital!
Avatar says - get Steve a steering wheel and a rear seat and he promises to be at valla!
S
ztnoo ·
Good one!!! 👍
You're right! My historical review was just bull hockey from across the Big Pond. 😂
It really does mean "get Steve a steering wheel and a rear seat and he promises to be at valla"!
11CAB ·
Hey Steve, can we add you to the list of people taking their Country Buggy the Valla 2018? Currently have over 30CB's intending to go.
ztnoo ·
Currently have over 30CB's intending to go.
Wow, really??? 😵💫
When and where is that event held?
That would be unreal to see that many CBs in the same place!
steveo169 ·
You can ad me if I get a steering wheel and rear seat!
ztnoo ·
Here are a few clues from Bill Moore's original history of the VW Country Buggy. It's especially noteworthy lots of CB parts were not proprietary to the vehicle. Volkswagen Australasia Ltd was attempting to use as many surplus parts as possible on the CB production.
To satisfy Head Office criteria to ensure maximum use of existing VW parts, the Country Buggy shared the following components with other VWs of the time or earlier.
Type 1 ( Beetle ) Chassis frame, front axle beam, 50 hp engine with 30 pcit carburetor, 200mm diameter clutch, rear torsion bars and spring plates, transmission with Type 2 ring gear/pinion, steering wheel from Standard split window Beetle, speedometer, fuel tank with reserve tank level and front headlight lenses (rims were black)
Type 2 ( Transporter) Steering knuckle, king pins, air cleaner with elbow, rear axle tube, axle shaft, reduction hubs, reduction gearing, brake drum mechanism, road wheels and brake components.
Type 3 Part of the pedal system, windscreen wiper arm connecting mechanism, steering box and other steering components."
Based on Bill Moore's encyclopedic knowledge of CBs, it would appear if you can chase down a "steering wheel from Standard split window Beetle", you'll be good to go.
You might have to search outside OZ........in the USA or Europe to score what you need. I'd start with eBay if I were you. Also try The Samba: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/
No one would claim getting one will be cheap, especially considering shipping. You may have to swallow pretty hard and ante up to get what you want. Perth isn't exactly in the center of the world's economic and trading activity. Actually its about as far remove from that as imaginable. C'est la vie.
Hope this may be helpful.
Regards,
Steve
11CAB ·
Any pics of KO668 you can share with us?
steveo169 ·
Lots to do but it's going well. I don't have an update loaded on photobucket yet
LOL need a steering wheel and rear seat
11CAB ·
Thanks
ztnoo ·
I think there's a few potentially correct steering wheels in this search, but I suggest you be sitting down when you start reviewing pricing.
Please can someone sell me a country buggy steering wheel?
Pretty please
Steveo
ztnoo ·
I looked through my original packet of CB materials I received from Bill Moore years ago.
Included was the Country Buggy Parts List
The part number listed for the steering wheel is: 111 415 655A
My guess is you are going to have an extremely difficult time finding, if you aren't probably already aware of that, the exact part number. You may have to settle for "the look" rather than "the correct production part number". There are a couple of wheels listed below with close part numbers (111 414 651A).
There may be other three spoke Beetle Steering wheels that may fill the bill. Knowing very little about VW steering wheels in detail, all I can do is point out possibilities I have found on The Samba. What you do or conclude from these is your decision and business alone. On the surface, it would appear to be several that could fill the bill for you, but only you can determine that. As I said before, be sitting down when reviewing the pricing because you may get dizzy or faint. This is a good example of the serious financial nature of owning and repairing a rare automobile made in very limited quantities 50 years ago. Not for the faint of heart.......
( http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/search.php?type=text&stype=all&... )
Hi Steve
These Petri wheels are interesting. They look similar but they aren’t country buggy. Looks like the horn button might be the same.
Firstly they’re 24 spline Pre1960, and CBs are 40 spline 60-74.
There’s no blinker canceller plate, obviously.
The “profile” of the hand grip is different too. These have a “depression” where the thumb rests, and depressions form the grips on the back. A CB wheel is much more of an oval shaped plain profile and the grips on the back are bumps.
The search for the origins of CB steering wheels goes on I fear.
Cheers
Tony
ztnoo ·
Tony,
Maybe you have become the CB steering wheel historian......... 😉 👍
Steve
nbturbo ·
Good day Tony-just read your post and some things didn't add up from what I remember about the CB steering wheel stuff I have.I knew the shaft had the early course splines like an Oval Beetle,as well as the lug welded for a steering lock,but didn't remember what the wheel splines looked like.Well now I'm stuffed,because my wheel has the later fine splines.So I tried the wheel on the shaft and it's a perfect fit.Every second steering wheel spline does nothing.Both these I took from that CB I got from Anderson.The nut is different from any Beetle one I have seen-it's got a machined sleeve that fits perfectly inside the steering wheel.My wheel has the VW part number under it-111 415 655A.
nbturbo ·
one more.I suspect the CB wheels would be from the early Split Window Kombi's.Would be interesting to find one to do a comparison,although the 111 part number is Type 1 stuff.
fish26 ·
There is no such thing as exclusive CB steering wheel, they used what surplus stock they had mainly Standard 3 spoke, mine has the factory column 24 coarse spline and yes I am also looking for a suitable steering wheel.
ztnoo ·
Fascinating discussion! steveo169, come up with anything yet?
Look at those links I provided?
I think you are beginning to see this will be a major investment if you are locked into finding an original steering wheel.
Apparently the parts number I supplied earlier from the CB Part List is correct.
That's not to say other flat three spoke steering wheels wouldn't fit.
I guess it what you would call a "spline dependent situation". 🙄
steveo169 ·
Steve
No I haven't. The issue is I will continue to pursue trying to get an original one so everyone should get used to me putting a frequent bump on the thread so I keep it front and centre. I do have options and for that I am very grateful to those that have helped l but you know how it goes - more original the better. What will steer the CB will be more than a pair of vice grips but to the purest they might as well be!
SO Steve you trawl the internet on all things CB let me know via PM if you hear, see or feel one. Given I have invested in a CB the steering wheel, the seats and the windscreen are iconic and I will pursue those with earnest.
SO patience with me everyone - I am steering wheel OCD at present.
Cheers for this great thread - at least it has people digging stuff out and looking at the detail and sharing.
Cheers
Steveo
bevoracing ·
Geezzzzzzz Gary, you’ve got me out in the shed checking things while I’m supposed to be working, again. At least I can see your pictures this time, haven’t seen anything of your buggy build, there’s something weird about this forum’s setup.
So, what did I find. I’ve never taken my wheel off the column, until today.
It’s exactly the same as yours, except I have the cancel ring still in place.
Column is 24 spline 22mm Dia (Pre 1960 Beetle, Ghia) Bit of learning there.
Wheel is 48 spline, 22mm Dia (obviously) Fits every second spline.
Fish, mate, you can’t make a statement like that without following it up with exactly what standard 3 spoke it is?
Summary :-
Beetle, Ghia to 59 = 24 spline 22mm Dia
Beetle, Type3, Ghia to 60 to 70 = 40 spline 20mm Dia
Bus to 67 = Uses a key
Bus 68 to 74 = ? (Don’t know, but it looks like 40 spline in the pictures)
Steering wheel is part number 111 415 655A in the parts book, looks Type 1, but isn’t.
Nut 111 415 691 doesn’t show up much on the net. One site says it was discontinued by VW / Audi in 1981. Others say it’s a nut, but I couldn’t find a picture or what they were used on.
While they did make a number of CB specific items, it’s hard to believe they had the steering wheel specially made. If they did they would have matched the column spline, you’d think, and probably used the 40 spline column. So what was it from?
Let’s just say the Bus 68 – 74 turns out to be 48 spline, 22mm Dia ?
Perhaps then it’s from a basic 68 Bus from another area, South America perhaps?
Can someone check 68 Bus for us please, I don’t have one.
All part of the fun.
Cheers
Tony
ztnoo ·
Tony,
For ease of viewing, I have done a 180 on your pic.
Seeing those numbers clearly really helps.
My head gets flat when I stand on it, and my arms eventually give out at the age of 68.
;-)
I think I need to return to the Parts List to examine the steering column part number.
It might prove to be helpful. Can't hurt and might provide some clues....
Where is Bill Moore when we have technical questions and discussions of this nature?
Looks like, according to this bloke, they come for a Type 147 Kleinlieferwagen (AKA a Fridolin)
Picture looks like he might be right.
So there you go, cheers
Tony
bevoracing ·
Don't ya wish the pictures would attach? Hopeless.
Perhaps later, sorry.
ztnoo ·
Am amazing piece of research Tony!!!
Wow!
Fascinating!.
OK, mine didn't have the indicator ring, because the switch was an early Oval type that you had to cancel
fish26 ·
AFAIK CB came out with coarse spline column and matching coarse spline 3 spoke steering wheel and indicator stalk out of early "Standard" beetle. Fine spline 3 spoke steering wheel may fit but would Volkswagen install a miss match on an off-road vehicle?
ztnoo ·
Found this while surfing around.
Same part number as the CB #, but off white or beige.
I jokingly refer to it as an Albino 3 spoke steering wheel.
You may need a bank loan to buy this one.
Steve
Strange that the white one is the same part number as a black one. I like the way wheels with this part number are advertised as everything from KDF and early standard to early Bus, when it looks like they don’t fit any of them.
There are references to 40 spline 20mm steering columns, Beetle, Type3, Ghia to 60 to 70, but these CB wheels definitely have 48 splines, so it’s not a standard version of them.
Gary
Mine has the same non cancelling blinker switch, I’m guessing the wheels just came with the cancelling ring on them so they left them on. Don’t know where yours went? That one came from the last know CB on the register, KO861, and my car,, KO813 is fairly late production too.
Fish26
It looks like they did put a 48 spline on a 24 spline column. The assembly that Gary has, and the one that I have, both came from complete CBs so they are very likely to be original. Also there doesn’t seem to be any evidence (yet) of any other wheel that they could have used. Ratting a wheel from a Fridolin is well in keeping with the philosophy of CB production.
So, let’s see some other people’s wheels, come on, get em off. (Don’t break the horn button)
I still want to know what the spline is on a 68 to 74 bus, anyone?
Can’t say it isn’t interesting. Keep it up.
Still can’t attach pictures, no wonder people go to face book
ztnoo ·
Tony,
I think Bill Moore's leadership role may have just passed to you.
You have the same instinctive curiosity about all things CB that Bill possessed.
It fascinating to me......and I make NO PRETENSE of knowing diddlle about this topic.
I think the whole early VW steering wheel question is a lot deeper than anyone imagines.
There must have been literally parts bins of steering wheels in a dedicated warehouse, that could have been put into production as needed at almost at a moment's notice.
'It fits, put it on, and be damned the parts number and illustrations.'
ztnoo ·
For anyone with the interest, there's a new thread at VW Country Buggy Australia Facebook, https://www.facebook.com/groups/302252683315626/ , further discussing the topic of CB steering wheels.
nbturbo ·
nbturbo wrote:OK, mine didn't have the indicator ring, because the switch was an early Oval type that you had to cancel
I got this wrong- I started another thread. I was going thru the box that holds all the CB steering wheel stuff,and found the cancelling ring and OG screws. Forgot how it was when I first got it.
nbturbo ·
I have a 73 Bus wheel here and it's really fine spline - but only 18mm at the start of the splines.The 65 Beetle wheel I have is 21mm at the base of the splines.So has there been any progress on which flasher switch will work-especially if it is able to cancel.
bevoracing ·
Hi Gary
Steve was going to get this one
VWC-113-953-513-A - TURN SIGNAL SWITCH - BEETLE 56-59 https://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC%2D113%2D953%2D513%2DA
but he had some other issues and didn't get it.
That's the one that fits the column, but I can't say if it will cancel or not.
It has 6 wires, not 3, but we could work that out.
Cheers
Tony
nbturbo ·
Good day Tony,
I went thru every one they have on their catalog,but hard to tell from pics if there is a trigger mechanism for cancelling.They have nothing either in the descriptions.The wires wont be an issue.Would be excellent to have the early look switch with a cancelling set up.Any progress at your end??