State super sprint

State Super Sprint 16th May Oran Park Grand Prix Course come along and support Rudie and John. Rudie broke the course record last time in 1601 to 2000cc class and placed 15th outright out of 120 starter including open wheelers, clubmans and full open class sports sedans. Fastest time for the day was 1min 15sec full deckout sports sedan Rudie ran a 1min 23sec.

Come out and watch or enter you haven't seen a VW perform like it, no! no matter what you think, you haven't seen one go like this it is powered by BIG BALLS.

Craig cann't even go this fast!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumb:thumb:thumb😉

Whats the matter Retro

this seems like a normal post??????

Daddy give you permission to post again??????

meet ya there... ill be the guy with the dark glasses 😎

retro wrote:State Super Sprint 16th May Oran Park Grand Prix Course come along and support Rudie and John. Rudie broke the course record last time in 1601 to 2000cc class and placed 15th outright out of 120 starter including open wheelers, clubmans and full open class sports sedans. Fastest time for the day was 1min 15sec full deckout sports sedan Rudie ran a 1min 23sec.

Come out and watch or enter you haven't seen a VW perform like it, no! no matter what you think, you haven't seen one go like this it is powered by BIG BALLS.

Craig cann't even go this fast!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumb:thumb:thumb😉

mmmm is this a challenge??:P

no craigie its a circuit track member!!!

Alex Holzl wrote:meet ya there... ill be the guy with the dark glasses 😎

That's good Alex bring your car and we can see if your just all talk and no go.

Bet you don't come anywhere near Oran park:thumb:thumb:thumb:P

Thats pretty good. Oran Park is a mad track, must get up there to run it one weekend.

The V8's do 1:08's... Bump Rudy's car upto about 300HP, some 968 Brembo's, sequential - dog teeth - straight cut trans and he should be getting up there too 😀

[Edited on 3-5-2004 by Cam]

OK we will see, come to oran park 15 may? and we will see who is all talk and no go huh?😀

Is this the latest Torrens/Durie type thing?
It would be a lot easier if you guys just went to the toilets and measured it with a ruler.

good onya Chris :repuke.........leave me out of this one thanks.

amazer wrote:Is this the latest Torrens/Durie type thing?
It would be a lot easier if you guys just went to the toilets and measured it with a ruler.

Whoever (flopping out his pecker with a grin):
"Gee, this water is cold!"

Torrens:
"Yeah, it's real deep, too!"
:thumb

[Edited on 3-5-2004 by VWCOOL]

Alex Holzl wrote:OK we will see, come to oran park 15 may? and we will see who is all talk and no go huh?😀

Get It Right Alex 16th May wouldn't want you to have an excuse why you could not make it.

Craig Torrens wrote:

retro wrote:State Super Sprint 16th May Oran Park Grand Prix Course come along and support Rudie and John. Rudie broke the course record last time in 1601 to 2000cc class and placed 15th outright out of 120 starter including open wheelers, clubmans and full open class sports sedans. Fastest time for the day was 1min 15sec full deckout sports sedan Rudie ran a 1min 23sec.

Come out and watch or enter you haven't seen a VW perform like it, no! no matter what you think, you haven't seen one go like this it is powered by BIG BALLS.

Craig cann't even go this fast!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumb:thumb:thumb😉

mmmm is this a challenge??:P

No just an observation:thumb:thumb:thumb:thumb:thumb:P

Jeff, err Retro,

The Porsche Club Supersprint is at Oran Park Sth on the 15th, the day before the state round. That's what Alex is referring to.

Jak, Paul and I will be there. Hopefully I'll knock a couple of seconds off my time. I remember getting valve float with the old street eliminators last year. I was changing at 6000 and the stupid combo only made 76hp anyway.

Jeff I don't think you should gloat about anybody's times but your own.

I haven't heard Rudi gloating and I think he's a pretty decent bloke.

CYA, CT

CT, are you running on your new tyres, would be interested to hear what you think of them after a good race.

Yep I'll be trying out the new tyres and I'll be kitted up with a pyrometer to hopefully find the ideal pressures.

These tyres are a bit of an unknown quantity in terms of compound but not design. It will be interesting to see how they compare with the A008s that are well past their used-by date.

I am surprised you did so well with the A008s. They would never get up to operating temperature in a Hillclimb. The casing should be at least 60 degrees for them to work.

CYA, CT

mmm like driving on ice !!!! That's why I'm interested to see how your's go!!

fullnoise wrote:Jeff, err Retro,

The Porsche Club Supersprint is at Oran Park Sth on the 15th, the day before the state round. That's what Alex is referring to.

Jak, Paul and I will be there. Hopefully I'll knock a couple of seconds off my time. I remember getting valve float with the old street eliminators last year. I was changing at 6000 and the stupid combo only made 76hp anyway.

Jeff I don't think you should gloat about anybody's times but your own.

I haven't heard Rudi gloating and I think he's a pretty decent bloke.

CYA, CT

Not gloating just making you aware and Rudi is a good bloke

fullnoise wrote:Jeff, err Retro,

The Porsche Club Supersprint is at Oran Park Sth on the 15th, the day before the state round. That's what Alex is referring to.

Jak, Paul and I will be there. Hopefully I'll knock a couple of seconds off my time. I remember getting valve float with the old street eliminators last year. I was changing at 6000 and the stupid combo only made 76hp anyway.

Jeff I don't think you should gloat about anybody's times but your own.

I haven't heard Rudi gloating and I think he's a pretty decent bloke.

CYA, CT

Hey CT what motor is in your car and who built it because I thought you had a 1916 I thought that it should have more then that. I have a 1640cc in my car at the moment which has 69 to 73hp (after retunung) with very mild cam, kadrons every else standard but machined by Stan. NO I am not taking the piss your engine should be capible of much more but the combinations have to be right, Jaks car was not producing much more then that at some piont (I could be wrong) but speak to John he knows the right things to do. I ve build 1640's before that were lucky to run 100mph I listened to John and my current 1640 73 hp 118 mph with more to go but the car gets to scary at that piont. 🙂🙂🙂

Craig,

Trouble with many of the R-spec sizes these days is the aspect ratio. My tyres are 50 series which would be illegal in hillclimbs. Mind you I haven't read the 2004 CAMS manual. The last time I looked 60 or 65 series was the minimum.

This tyre would suit you're gearing because the OD is similar to your 195/65R14s. However you'd have to go and find yourself some 16 inch rims.

I'd recommend leaving the tyres in the sun or driving around the pits to get any heat in them that you can.

CYA, CT

Yeah, last time I checked the class was 60 series too.

CT, what width are your Lotus tires? I saw an Elise with some 175's on the front are they the same as what you have?

I've got the CAMS manual here but I cant see anywhere that it talks about tyre sizes for speed events. You can run your 50 series in a hillclimb in type SV. You'd be away from the subarus etc who would be in over 3000cc but up against clubmans.

I dont think the tyre temp is an issue at the hillcimbs because everyone is in the same boat. Everyone used to run A008's. Then everyone went to Dunlop R, now it seems a lot (including me) have switched to yokohama something or other. Maybe I shouldnt say everyone, but I havent noticed a 2E (or whatever it is now) car on anything but those 2.

I did the same thing, used to run Dunlops (FW1 from memory) then we had some yokohamas on a couple of cars and I haven't looked back 😀 They heat up uber-quick.

Hey Cam,

My tyres are 195/50R16 A048E LTS by Yokohama. The LTS stands for Lotus. They are the original tyres on one of the Elise models. I have a picture of the particular car somewhere.

I would've got a set of A032R tyres but my only options were 195/55R15 but the OD is a bit small. Alternatively 205/60R15s but they're a bit too wide. I don't think they will reach operating temperature 60- 80 C with the weight of my car and my style of driving.

I haven't tried the A032R but I do know the A008s, are like driving on ice, until they get hot.

Basically I just stumbled across the Lotus tyres and I thought I'd give them a shot. That is one of the benefits of working for Yokohama Tyres.

As soon as I find a straight 15 x 6 cookie cutter to replace my bent one I should be able to do a back to back comparison with the old A008s and the new A048s.

One thing which may stuff me up is that the rear track on my car is aready wider than the front. Having 6s on the front and 7s on the rear make things worse. The car oversteers on the limit and that makes me nervous. At Oran Park I will be experimenting wth front wheel spacers and maybe with and without the sway bar.

I've enjoyed the A048s on the steet. I took a Sunday drive up the old pacific hwy to Jak's house last sunday and the tyres felt good. The track's a different thing though. I took the tyre temps and only the inside edge of the tyres are doing any work due to the camber. When I tip the car into corners a bit harder I'll know. The inside edges still got up to 40 degrees so they might get up to 60 if I drive like a lunatic. Eastern Creek might be a better bet than Oran Park.

I hope the tyre talk has made the post a bit more interesting.

CYA, CT

Thanks CT, I'm currently running 205/60R14's on the 76 bug for hillclimb. I previously ran 205/60R15's.
What I'm now wanting is a tyre for my 15 x 7's,15x6's Porsche cookies for my road car I'm building. So the A048's maybe a goer or the A032R ?? Have you used these in supersprints?

Sorry not too sure what you guy's have been using !!!!

Cheers.

[Edited on 4-5-2004 by Craig Torrens]

Craig the A032Rs would be the go. That's what most of the club cars are using. As I mentioned it is important not to go too wide.

I've been in the passenger seat of your car when straight ahead is best viewed outside the passenger side window. If you drive like that on the out lap they should be warm well by your second flying lap.

Do you want a standard OD of 630 for your tyres or something similar to your Hillclimb tyres with an OD of 610?

A 205/55R15 has an OD of 608 ans suits 6.5-7.5 rims.
A 205/60R15 has an OD of 631 and suits a 6.0 - 6.5 rim but I'd say you could get away with a 7.0 rim.

The 195/55R15 may be an option for the front but the OD is small at 593.

FYI by law you can only go 15mm bigger or smaller than the factory tyre including optional tyres. But that's for road registered cars.

These tyres are suited to club sprints, lap dash events and circuit racing.

They've been around a while and are well proven.

CYA CT

So what does yokohama recommend for a hillclimb tyre and what are they worth for a 205/60/15? I imagine something that is sticky at room temperature wont last too long huh?

My problem seems to be that the tyres dont get enough use. I've got an old set (well, a pair) of Dunlop R's that are as good as a Grand Rally S, and now with g/box #2 grenading it looks like the yokohamas will end up that way too.

Craig, are you registered for the NSWHCC this year?

I can't give you prices because we're only wholesale not retail. Call our Motorsport distributor, they'll also have the best advice on Hillclimb tyres. They know a hell of a lot more about motorsport than I do. I think the best hillclimb tyres are melt by looking at them Avon cross ply tyres but I don't think any would fit a beetle. R-spec tyres are probably the only option.

Speak to Billy at
Gordon Leven Motorsport
133 Russell St
Emu Plains
NSW

Ph 4735 4500

Thats OK, I will pay wholesale! :P

amazer wrote:Craig, are you registered for the NSWHCC this year?

No not this year Chris, I'm trying to get my beach buggy built, so the racing funds are being spent on it !

I really want to finish some projects this year.

Here is the car I got my tyres off. Only the fronts though. The rears are 225/45R17.

Craig, if you promise to be nice I might be able to help you out with tyres when you have the money. Chris, you're already nice so give me a call when you want some new rubber.

CYA, CT

ooh, I've seen some of those Elises around 😀 They're the clubsport specials or something... Either way they'll set you back over 100K :o

What have you got lined up for the rear CT?

Jay might know what it is. She knows what piles of junk lotus make.

I've got 4 fronts on my car.

They're specially designed for the weight of the Lotus which is similar to the weight of my beetle.

CYA, CT

fullnoise wrote:Jeff, err Retro,

The Porsche Club Supersprint is at Oran Park Sth on the 15th, the day before the state round. That's what Alex is referring to.

Jak, Paul and I will be there. Hopefully I'll knock a couple of seconds off my time. I remember getting valve float with the old street eliminators last year. I was changing at 6000 and the stupid combo only made 76hp anyway.

Jeff I don't think you should gloat about anybody's times but your own.

I haven't heard Rudi gloating and I think he's a pretty decent bloke.

CYA, CT

How come when someone trys to give you some friendly information you guys just turn off. First of all I was just letting the forum know that someone (RUDI) was make a good go of the state super sprints and secondly you were complaining about your cars lack of performance so i tried to help you and you just ignore it. I will just let you know we are good blokes with lots of experience and all we are saying is dont waste your time as we have already been through it all and these are the thing that work consistantly but if wish to ignore the help please stop complaining.

"How come when someone trys to give you some friendly information you guys just turn off "

You have to be on f@cking drugs Retro?????

Mate your credibility got smashed weeks and months ago!

WHY WOULD WE TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY!!!!!

You dont even know if you are you are the dad or your son?!?!?

You dont even know what country you are in.......... hmmmm ...... i think i am at a seminar today in Botswana?????

Mate........ give up now while you are ahead. At the moment we just think you are sad.....



TTFN


Barry

[Edited on 7-5-2004 by blue74l]

HEHEHE. you got me giggling like a schoolgirl and I aint even been drinking.

What Chris said... LOL

I haven't sniggered like that since "YOU CAN READ MINDS?!?!?!" in 'zoolander':bounce

blue74l wrote:"How come when someone trys to give you some friendly information you guys just turn off "

You have to be on f@cking drugs Retro?????

Mate your credibility got smashed weeks and months ago!

WHY WOULD WE TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY!!!!!

You dont even know if you are you are the dad or your son?!?!?

You dont even know what country you are in.......... hmmmm ...... i think i am at a seminar today in Botswana?????

Mate........ give up now while you are ahead. At the moment we just think you are sad.....



TTFN


Barry

[Edited on 7-5-2004 by blue74l]

Mate were you the bloke we help after the vw drag day? Be Honest

Cam wrote:What Chris said... LOL

I haven't sniggered like that since "YOU CAN READ MINDS?!?!?!" in 'zoolander':bounce

Mate you need to know the full story and what crap goes on in the Sydney vw scene

Lucky I'm in Melbourne then😎

:O what is it? what happens? is it scandalous? a conspiracy perhaps? what happens in the sydney VW scene?

dont worry if its a long story. I got aaaalll weekend, trying to finish an assignemnt by midnight sunday.

Cam wrote:Lucky I'm in Melbourne then😎

It is all about dollars and one mob pushing one companys agenda and the rest of us are defending the other good companys, you can ask any one Stan Pobjoy, Boris from Vintage, they all cop it.
But all the other stuff is just a sh#tstir and the people involved know it.
But if someone is going to rip you or me off I think the vw public need to know and if they are not getting value for money they need to know too and then if they do their chasing around they can make an informed decision.
cheers
:beer

Wow. Have you told Oprah?

I cant help wondering who the other mob is that is pushing you guys around. Damn this litigation thing where we cant tell stories about the bad guys.

Watch out fraser! I'll do your knee caps, squeeze you into the bonnet of my bug then drive you into a river. All for buying a Pobjoy antisurger.:vader

I know a bigger conspiracy... by the americans. Not JFK or Iraq or anything like that. Its computer programming languages. They force me to use american spelling like 'color' 'initialize' 'synchronize'. Its just not fair. Just cos they have the biggest bombs they think they can take over the world.

But... Do they have the dubs? Send them to Sydney, sort them out...

amazer wrote:Wow. Have you told Oprah?

I cant help wondering who the other mob is that is pushing you guys around. Damn this litigation thing where we cant tell stories about the bad guys.

No one's pushing us around their just take the money of the uninformed and basicly mate with the attitude here I no longer give a F@CK really.:cry:puke:cussing:jesus:tree:alien

Good Bye All

When I was a young boy... a mate of mine made copies of stans antisurger. Only we worked for BHP so they were made from steel. Heavy bastards that wouldnt stay tight and leaked. I'm very sorry stan and I swear they have been thrown away long ago.

Attitude? Aww cmon, I was trying to be sympathetic.

😎

Im pissed off now. Im sitting here in my tiny 3 foot by 4 foot tiny office here in uzbekistan where I should be doing my intensive study of polyphonic ringtones, but instead lend my sypathetic ear to your troubles, risking my left testicle if I am discovered and now I have an attitude. Screw you buddy.

:cussing

Wow, dunno if I can really read minds or did I just fluke it saying that you had an antisurge.

Now I'm going to spend my uniformed money on a stroker, excuse me...

"Mate were you the bloke we help after the vw drag day? Be Honest "

BE HONEST - coming from you .... Mister secret!!

Anyway .... know that was not me. I am too stoopid to go there!

I am me......


What i find highly amusung is you were the one who wanted to start with the digs and snides.
Then it progressed to blatant lying.
I am struggling to think of one comment you have made that has helped someone.

All the comments of yours are school yard........ or is it university yard??

Everyone else hear (well most of us) help people.
A few of the bad boys gave me free information and help when i built my cars and motors.
Sit round have a sherbert and share information.

Go away!


TTFN

BArry

How can we take Barry seriously when he calls himself Blue74L and his car is red. :kiss

blue74l wrote:"Mate were you the bloke we help after the vw drag day? Be Honest "

BE HONEST - coming from you .... Mister secret!!

Anyway .... know that was not me. I am too stoopid to go there!

I am me......


What i find highly amusung is you were the one who wanted to start with the digs and snides.
Then it progressed to blatant lying.
I am struggling to think of one comment you have made that has helped someone.

All the comments of yours are school yard........ or is it university yard??

Everyone else hear (well most of us) help people.
A few of the bad boys gave me free information and help when i built my cars and motors.
Sit round have a sherbert and share information.

Go away!


TTFN

BArry

Mate tell some who cares
:birthday

amazer wrote:How can we take Barry seriously when he calls himself Blue74L and his car is red. :kiss

You're freaking me out man.... 😠:o😠 retros right, Syndey is a conspiring, mod driven hell hole :o

there's a lotta love in this room.
LOOOOOOOOVE.
Spread the word!
You're all beautiful people.
Spread the word!






must be smartarse day in Wollongong.
:party

So much love you can spread it with a tissue:puke

Cam wrote:You're freaking me out man.... 😠:o😠 retros right, Syndey is a conspiring, mod driven hell hole :o

Mate that aint the half of it. I dont even think his name really IS barry. I reckon its probably something like... Bill. George. I dunno. But I bet you it isnt really Barry and he probably works in Columbia splitting beer atoms.

C'mon people bring it back to the topic.

Chris

you have u2u

TTFN

Did you go to CAMS?
You guys can get it back on topic, I gotta go pick up kid from school and mothers day shop.

Watch out Chris you'll be quoted on that.

Captain Quote strikes again.

PS Don't quote me on that.

CYA, CT (Don't quote me on that either)

:vader

Craig Torrens wrote:C'mon people bring it back to the topic.

The state round is on Sunday the 16th may!!!!!!!!!! :thumb

fullnoise wrote::vader

:P

if you guys think you have problems imagine poor Rudy being followed round all the time by something like that...

bugger!!!


I cant think of anything stupid to say!! :cry

kombikim wrote:if you guys think you have problems imagine poor Rudy being followed round all the time by something like that...

Man.... 🙁 Lets have a moment of silence for the poor bloke.

[Edited on 7-5-2004 by Cam]

it would be sort of like Frodo & Gollum:alien

retro wrote:I no longer give a F@CK really.:cry:puke:cussing:jesus:tree:alien

Good Bye All

no fair - u posted again!

See - you lie ALL the time!!!

No! he told the truth about he being his own son,,,,,,didn't he?

[Edited on 7-5-2004 by kombikim]

EEEEW! If he's his own son, I dont wanna know what he did with his mum!

fullnoise wrote:Watch out Chris you'll be quoted on that.

Screw you guys, I'm going shopping

AHHAHAHA this has gotta be the funniest argue ment ever!!!! 😠😠😠😠:P:P

OK now that I am in a stable state of mind, or perhaps I am just feeling too sick to be a bastard (cue violins), how did the S/S go?

Out of curiosity do you know roughly how many people are registered for the series? How many were at the event? And how many open wheeler/formula libre type cars are there?