I was wondering what you all think of the newer beetles compared to the old, I love both of them, but I am torn. I have the money there to buy an old beetle now and do it up so it looks absolutely schmick with mags and everything, or wait till I save up more money till the end of the year and get a 'second hand' new bug?!
Which do you think will be better in the long run because which ever one I get it will have to be with me for a long time. Just wanna know your opinions 馃檪
Thanx 馃榾
[Edited on 9-6-2004 by pinklady_bug]
PurpleT3 路
Tough choice, it really depends on what you want. I'm not sure what a second hand new beetle is worth. I'm guessing that for the same price you could buy a very nice old beetle which has already been done up so "it looks absolutely schmick with mags and everything". This is probably the cheapest way of getting a really nice classic car, unless you want to restore it yourself.
Keep in mind that a new beetle will depreciate as soon as you buy it, while an old beetle will hold it's value much better if it's looked after.
Have you driven both? If not, go for a test drive in both cars and see which you like better. An old beetle will be around 20 years old and won't drive like a modern car.
I'd save as long as I could, and then buy a restored/customised old beetle, just cos I love the air cooled.
Actually I'd buy a type 3, but that's not what you asked. (Although they are better... and rarer... and look cooler)
Dannyboy 路
Hard decision , depends what you want. A new beetle is basically a golf and an old beetle is like , well, like an old beetle!
Depends maybe on your driving habits aswell, distance etc .
I'd go old beetle and spend the money on good mechanics , new 1600 motor , discs , etc etc. That way it will be reliable as a golf and maybe more up for being driven alot.
Depends how you look at it but owning a beetle for me means it's an aircooled one!
Dan馃檪馃檪馃檪
silver 路
you will meet more people with a restored beetle
and they have soul!
BiX 路
what about both? a new beetle to commute and older cheapie to restore over time?
blutopless2 路
depends on what you want out of the car.... and i agree with bix.... if you cant decide you might wanna get both... new one for daily and old one to restore.... or rebuild.
Che Castro 路
Mmm remember the New Beetle is actually a rebodied golf, so u get better spec, a proper boot for a cheaper price if u buy a golf 馃檪
The NB will be a lot more comfortable than an oldie for daily driving, it'll need less maintainence and be more reliable generally. It is basically like any other new car. It will be also a hell of a lot safer in a crash.
An oldie will be noisy, no air con, slow (in stock form) and will need a lot more attention and will be harder to get one in good condition
However the oldie is less common, and more individual. Most NB's are more or less the same. The old one wont depreciate (but i'm not into cars for financial value). The best thing about the old beetle is that it is a cult car, you wave to every other ppl and they wave back. Most NB owners dont know and dont care 馃檪
Personally I think the oldie is a lot more fun to drive, it also sounds better and goes as fast when modified. Dont be turned off an old beetle, just remember that it is a 30-40 year old car 馃檪
daz67 路
pinklady_bug wrote:I was wondering what you all think of the newer beetles compared to the old, I love both of them, but I am torn. I have the money there to buy an old beetle now and do it up so it looks absolutely schmick with mags and everything, or wait till I save up more money till the end of the year and get a 'second hand' new bug?!
Which do you think will be better in the long run because which ever one I get it will have to be with me for a long time. Just wanna know your opinions 馃檪
Thanx 馃榾
[Edited on 9-6-2004 by pinklady_bug]
Depends on when where and how you drive every day.
An old beetle has, as stated above lots of character, but a new beetle has alot of benefits too.
My suggestion Buy a New Beetle for daily driving, then purchase a Project car to tinker with for eternity.
If I were you I'll save up for a New one for daily driving cause it has everything you need, CD, air-con, power window + steering and so on...
and then after getting the New one, start saving for a old one, doesn't have to be in excellent condition (maybe $2000 - $3000), just enjoy the aircooled style, and then when you have more money, start building the old one to your dream machine, cruise with it weekend, and build up step by step 馃檪 I believe your account balance won't stop if you're working, so do it slowly... no rush on your aircool project at all !
Cheers~!
Don.
Spook 路
One is a Volkswagen beetle, the other is a front engined, water cooled car with a VW badge.
There is no comparison.
blutopless2 路
Che Castro wrote:Most NB's are more or less the same. The old one wont depreciate (but i'm not into cars for financial value). The best thing about the old beetle is that it is a cult car, you wave to every other ppl and they wave back. Most NB owners dont know and dont care 馃檪
Man i love these posts.... sparks the debate over and over again..... and love the way people are categorised.. most nb's are more or less the same??? of course... aren't the ob's more or less the same????? and the debate about the waving thing?? most ob drivers i have come accross dont wave... have had more nb owners wave than old... guess it depends on where you are driving. 馃檪
Y2K 路
OMG this debate is never ending. Blah blah blah. How about the old vw owners start giving some respect the new beetle owners.
"F***** hell we are all VOLKSWAGENS" as said by my bug. Yes she speaks to me and i respect her for that. Some people on here should take some lessons and learn how to respect.
I agree with ikube, go with the new one now and then save more for the oldie later on. Im on my second New Beetle(thanks Daz) and wouldnt trade it for anything
[Edited on 10-6-2004 by Y2K]
daz67 路
Y2K wrote:Im on my second New Beetle(thanks Daz) and wouldnt trade it for anything
[Edited on 10-6-2004 by Y2K]
Hehe,
Not even for a little ride in this shiney new R32 Golf?
BiX 路
I got a ride in a R32, they are sweet. One thing though when planted it at lower rpm there seemed to be a lag b4 the power came on? like a lag? but it was sweet, the accel just doens't stop (i stopped looking at the speedo at 160)
Che Castro 路
Sorry didnt mean to get on anyone's toes! 馃榾
There was a smilie at the end so it was meant to be sorta tongue-in-cheek.
I meant that they were all pretty similar because they have only been in production for about 6 years vs 50 or something for the old
lugnuts 路
Like was said ^ go for a drive in a NB then an OB yule know which one is for u,only u know.馃檪
nbturbo 路
Y2K-Spot on again.Don't you get sick of the same crap-It's always the same story-it's not a Volkswagen-it's not a Beetle-it's a Golf. I have been on the lookout for a while now and have never found a Golf that looks anything like a New Beetle(and b4 we hear about it being on the same floor pan-trot out the other 2 models of VW/Audi that use the same floor pan) I wouldn't trade my NB for anything else either. I have some air cooled Beetles as well and love them all.I can't get into Golf's at all but admire what people do to personalise them.
ikube 路
Volkswagen came all the way to this stage, and still is one of the top motor car companies around the world. I love every peice, no matter water cooled or aircooled ... they're amazing 馃檪 New beetle was invented cause VW knows that we all love the bugs 馃榾 keep all Vdubs alive! never give up or ONLY chase for the new ones... go both ways, & u'll be as happy as --> :bounce
btw, the R32 are amazing from reading reviews, I hope someday I'll get a chance to go for a ride or test drive or even own one !!!
Cheers~!
Don.
handycam 路
I have had all walks of life in bugs . And i love them all my new one has the same reaction as my old " every one that has one waves and people love them cos thay have allways been diffrent any vw or vw based car is tops 2 me :thumb:thumb just my 2cents worth
[Edited on 10-6-2004 by handycam]
Mrs M 路
Yes these topics get a little hot but ... honestly no need to it just comes down to what you want out of your VOLKSWAGEN.
We own a variety of cars 1974 Kombi (With a Datsun 180B engine) drives nice and is reliable cheap to run (Unleaded) and cheap engine parts. The Country Buggy is stock standard and we have an old beetle turned into a Baja... lets say i have so so so so much fun in it and i would not trade her for anything..... but i do have a NB for the pure fact that its reliable and comfortable on long and short trips and has A/C I hate to break it to but the NB is still made by VOLKSWAGEN.
Some people are saying its a Golf with a new body but lets be realistic whats a Golf hmmmm a Volkswagen come on guys be fair.........
Well on that note i would have to agree that go both ways...... NB for the reliability, comfort and the modern feel and have an old beetle to do up and take on special outings.
:thumb :thumb :thumb
Moniek
Mrs M 路
P.S.
Some people may say that the old Beetles have more personality but some of the people that are saying this probably or maybe have not actually spent the time and gone a good run and have not bonded with a NB cause if they did they would find out that every NB has individual personalities.
So if you are looking at a NB take it on a good run..........Just some more food for mind
Moniek
pinklady_bug 路
Wow...that was an interesting read 馃檪 I do agree with the people who are saying about getting the new beetle for daily driving (and i will still put a nice stereo and mags on it!) and then I can get an old beetle after a while a slowly do it up. I'm lucky that way coz my bf is very good with mechanics. See I have just sold a brand new mirage to buy a beetle and although I had every intention of getting an old one but I don't know if I could do it now because I have had the taste of a new car. But I still want to keep with the VW's!
I am one of those people who will wave to any sort of VW I see because I love them all and I think we are like a little community on our own. Some people just dont understand the thing we have for VW's and those few people are probably the ones that just go out and buy a new beetle for the hell of it. They are the people who don't wave.
My first car was a 1970 VW but the fetish started long b 4 that 馃檪 I think it was looking at all of the wedding photos from my parents and seeing the VW. They bought one new!
Basically I am saying I am greatly considering getting a new but that was a good idea to slowly do up an old one!
Anyways keep it flowing guys!
Thanx
Jo
mscabrio 路
I have a new beetle cabrio that I drive on a daily basis. I used to get really offended by the people that love to bag the new beetles and say that they are not Volkswagens, but as a good friend told me .... stuff em !!!!!!
I know that my car is realiable, it will start first time, runs well regardless of the tempreature, is comfortable, doesn't smell like oil, has full electrics and seat warmers for the sunny days when you open up the roof and it is still a bit chilly.
I think that I have got the better deal ..... Go the new beetle ! ......
Technology doesn't stop, and for those who say that the new beetles don't have a soul, then come and see me ... my cabrio is called Veronica and she has plenty of soul !
P.S ..... I also have an old beetle and I wave to other VW drivers !!!!!!!!!
nbturbo 路
mscabrio-What colour is Veronica?All of our VW's have names as well.Our Double Yellow NB is Mello,our white 64 is Vera, my Type4 powered Oval is Ferocious and the Kombi is Big Boy. Haven't named the 66 Beetle I am putting Country Buggy gear underneath yet,but is looking like he might become OffRoad.Just looking back over this-wonder why some are gender specific???????
Y2K 路
mscabrio- go you good thang
Chick names seem to be the trend these days.
nbturbo are you coming to valla?
Robo 路
A Beetle is a Beetle is a Beetle.
As long as it has a nice VW badge on it, It's a terrific car!!!
I Just love VW's no matter what model they are, special PPL buy Volkswagen! Go new Beetles!! Oh and my daughter wants Y2K's new black turbo!
Rob...馃槑
$2.63 homebrand baja 路
I agree a vw is a vw. Each model has it's own unique qualities. If you are in the position to get both, do it. The earlier models all require heaps o' dosh. The new are just part of the evolution. Over time all have been designed to fit market demands. New = comfort and convienience Old = nostalga and a certain dak dak raw grunt (if you tighten up the acellorator cable hehehe :thumb). The car reflects the owner. I have a dak dak grunter which gives me the shits but I luv it just as much as others do thier own rides. Lets not get into a mud slinging match of oldskool v's new as it will only fuel the fire and widen the gap. Everyone wave to eachother no matter wat ur driving! Whilst I drive a mutilated bug, I would just lurve to own a V6 bora... now thats not bug nor golf.... god help us wen they re introduce Kombis....... the cultural significance on that one 馃槧 lol.
be happy wif wat ur driving and for god sake will u all start wavin at eachother! :thumb and yes daz if I am in positon down track i will come see you.lol
ByronBug 路
:sandrine
I agree... doesn't matter what kind of VW, as long as it is one.
If I had the money I would luv Y2K's (Maya's) black New bug
always wanted a black new turbo one.
But are too expensive for me, so I have my black old bug.
Either way, we must appreciate technology, cos were would we all be with out it.
Judy馃槈
Y2K 路
yep everyone go and see Daz and he'll sell ya multiples of me馃榾馃榾馃榾馃榾馃榾馃榾馃榾馃榾馃榾馃榾
Mmm bug seems to be talking to me in some sort of whistle language:thumb..................she's lovin the cold days
nbturbo 路
Would love to get up there to catch up with all you" VW FREAKS" and check out the old metal(and the new stuff),but you are too far away for a quick weekend trip.
Spook 路
Let's get the terminology right to start with.
There is no such thing as the "old beetle"
There is THE Beetle, & the new beetle.
The beetle is a design classic, one of the most instantly recognised cars on the face of the earth, along with the mini, the 2cv & of course the other VW masterpiece, the Kombi.
Then there is the "new" beetle.
This post was originally about comparing the two. You can't. They have nothing in common except the VW badge & even that isn't interchangeable.
You'd be better off comparing the new beetle with any rice burner, because at the end of the day they have more in common with my wife's mazoodar than they do with any VW in my collection.
Obviously those who drive them like them, but then if you don't like your car, you piss it off. That's common sense.
But get used to the idea that there are those of us who don't like the new beetle & will say so every time this sort of subject arises.
But it's not a matter of not liking YOUR car, it's not liking THE car.
SteveMk2 路
Its good to see some people saying that new is as cool as old... Its a shame to see people say that old has more soul... Yeah, newbies arent as "enthusiastic" as oldies, and dont get involved in club scenes and the like, but a lot of us waterpumpers are happy to encompass the entire scene... Thats my gripe...
I rode in an R twice and they are all the reviews have stated. Esp the ones that say the R is better than a STI up high!!!
I have driven both old and new, and I would go for new cos of the creature comforts like air, and cos they come as an optional turbo, and they move with the correct software. I really didnt like where the pillar started on them, though. Made for a cavernous blind spot.
I love looking at olds, but couldnt own one. A type 3 is different, though. All three are impractical for lugging gear. Hence the GTI.
pinklady_bug 路
Hey all, firstly I just want to clarify that I didnt want people to compare 'THE' Beetle to the 'NEW' beetle as in whats better because I already said I love them both and would be happy with either! I just wanted to know your personal experiances, and what you think of each personally. That comment was for Spook. You don't like the newer bugs? Thats ok, you don't have to. And if I get a new one and people want to tell me they don't like them that's fine as well. But I do think it would be nice for us all to share the vw experiance without any of that 'snobbery'.
Is that your lil beast Y2K? It's gorgeous 馃檪 How long ago did you get it? See I think that has just as much uniqueness as the older bug.
And $2.63 homebrand baja I think I have seen your awesome beast around ippy mall and the other day at the petrol station in leichardt, was that you? Awesome VW.
kombi_kid 路
We are lucky enough to have a NB turbo which doesnt have a rattle goes like stink and handles like a gokart cost about $35k with a bit of negotiating - great value also have a bay window kombi with a nice donk from stan - cant beat driving over the front wheels and that big sreeing wheel love it also a 65 notch -what a third gear for traffic
Rhys
Stealth 路
He he he, I love all this old V's new shit. I just sit back read the posts and wonder wtf are some of you on ????
This is a Aussie Vee Dubbers forum, for all VOLKSWAGEN lovers, please don't forget that people..... peace man.
All cars have there pro's and con's, test drive both and make your mind up and don't let anyone try to persuade you different.
Enjoy your choice
Cheers馃檪
helterskelter400 路
the water pumpers have late model style. thats about it..
but they dont vee dub dub dub dub dub du dub du dub dub........
cant even fit a hand crank nut to them for christs sake.
its like comparing a 67 corrolla against a 04 corrolla or a mini cooper against a 04 bmw mini... same in name only.... totally diff cars for totally diff purposes.
Robo 路
You really have to look at it this way. Everybody has individual tastes and affections, or dislikes, for certain styles and makes of cars, obviously they like one or more particular car's better than another. If this was not the case, then we would all be driving the same generic boring block with four wheels. Like Spook said, if you don't like it you don't like it. It dose not mean that you are disrespecting the owner, causing intentional hurt, or saying it is a "bad" car, it's just personal taste.
Any car that is loved by the owner is a worthy car, and I would never say to anyone their car is a heap of crap, I just tell them its a wonderful car, but I prefer my older one's!
And the new Beetle will be old one day!
Rob...馃槑
pinklady_bug 路
hehehe, Aussie Blkbug you sound pretty cool mate. I have had an interesting read these past few days reading everybodies comments! I know that it comes down to my choice and no one will affect my choice at all. I figure that if I was sure about getting an old bug to do up I would have bought one about a month ago. So I am pretty set in getting a new one and in the future looking at restoring an older one. Coz I am crazy bought all vw's. And I really like how you put it Robo, very wise 馃檪
Thanx everyone!! xxxoooxxxoo
Spook 路
Subject: New beetle versus the old.
The dictionary defines "versus" as to compare; to weigh one against the other (often in contest).
In my understanding of the english language, that is exactly what you asked for.
Y2K 路
Pinklady_bug
Yep thats my old 'new beetle' in my avatar. Had a head-on in a Lancer so it was time for a bug. Bought her from Melbourne in November 2001, ex demo. They were very hard to find back then. Later (this year) decided that i was finacially stable enough to upgrade. Got the black turbo back in March(04) and have never looked back. You only live once, enjoy it as much as you can. I am. It just means that clothes shopping and movies etc have to be saved for a few weeks.
Hey nbturbo and aussie BLKBUG- Im coming to Melbourne in early August, anything happening down their then? nbturbo, how far are you(Whyalla) from Adelaide.
Hey Steve isnt the R just the coolest. Al has thrown me his keys twice, i havent been game yet. But next time for sure.
Pinklady good luck and congratulations on your decision.
Happy NEWBUGGIN':kiss
Y2K
Maya
Oasis 路
It's like comparing a record player to a CD player. Do you like the sound of records, such as the cool crackling sound? Do you mind turning it over after each side?
Playing vinyl records requires more work but the sound has more character and warmth. Bad side is the needle wears out and the records wear out.
CDs on the other hand are relatively noiseless and maintenance free, but characterless. Much less wear on the laser and none on the actual CDs.
I have an old cofee machine, an old turntable with old valve amps, an old beetle and an old wife. Call me old fashioned. (Oh and my house and dog are old too). This joke is getting old... You get my point.
vanderaj 路
When my NB turbo was working okay (rare), I really liked it. When it wasn't, well it pissed me off. I got rid of it before the warranty ran out and started costing me more than just a lot of dealer visits and the occasional flat bed tow.
I wish it hadn't been a complete and utter lemony lemon as I really liked it.
Andrew
nbturbo 路
Y2K- 400kms from Adelaide.Only thing VW happening over here B4 Xmas will be the VW Enthusiasts show in early November-includes a drag meet on the Saturday night.
pinklady_bug 路
Hi Spook!! Wow darl you really need to take a chill pill or have a holiday coz I didn't think someone would take it like that. Seriously dude, move on!!
Thankx Y2K 馃榾
ByronBug 路
:sandrine
Hi Pink Lady, yes Y2K & myself will have to get together with you on the All Girl Dub Day.
See Post.
Would be good to meet you.
Judy馃槈
pinklady_bug 路
Hi Judy, that'd be great to meet you and Y2K and catch up with you vw gals! 馃檪 I'll have a look at the post because that would be heaps of fun!
[Edited on 15-6-2004 by pinklady_bug]
blutopless2 路
nbturbo wrote:mscabrio-What colour is Veronica?
Veronica is aquarius blue. 馃檪
blutopless2 路
here is a pic of mscabrios ride
nbturbo 路
How could anybody not fall madly in love with Veronica.Another magnificent example of what Volkswagen has to offer us. Excellent choice MSCABRIO.Did you get auto or manual? Hope you enjoy her as much as we enjoy our Turbo.
blutopless2 路
she got the manual
pinklady_bug 路
That is beautiful!! oooh i want one 馃榾
Mrs Herbie 路
Hi Everyone,
I don't get on here often so when I saw this post i just had to put my 2 cents in!
Ive had my new bettle (his name is Doug) for nearly 2 years now and absolutely love it! I have always loved beetles but the fact that i know next to nothing about cars has always made me hesitant to get an older one. When the new ones came out i just new i had to have one, starts first time and with air conditioning...what more could you want?
I know alot of people have different opinions but its just about what suits your lifestyle...or why not have both? Not only is my beetle a great car its also opened up a whole new circle of friends and its even scored me a man (didnt get that in my barina).
Good luck with your choice pinklady!
Take Care
Mel
:thumb
mscabrio 路
Mrs Herbie, Is that Doug ?????? he is way cool !!!!!
nbturbo, I am glad that you enjoy your car. Apart from a few window troubles, Veronica has made me really happy !!!!!!!
Veronica and I will be in Valla waving the Victorian flag, we hope to see you there !
:bounce
byronbus 路
Have you thought about a Kombi?
pinklady_bug 路
lol, hello byronbus! Don't worry I love kombi's to, and i thought about getting one a while back (a campervan one) and fixing it all up so it was beautiful. I just think that out of all of the vw's Beetle are my fave...well, my obsession really ;-) Have you got any other vw's?
Doug is sooooooo cute Mrs Herbie, a nice black or silver nb with 18inch mags would do me fine!
Just outta curiousity I called up RACQ to see about insurance and it wasn't that bad. So I am aiming to get a nb probably by September/October. Hopefully if I get one by the 26th I will be able to take it on the girls dub day. I just have to save up a little more money. 馃榾
mscabrio 路
I would love to go to all girls dub day ..... too bad I live in the wrong state !
:sandrine
aggri1 路
byronbus said "have you thought about a kombi?" I second that. I love my bus, even if it's not the most reliable thing around.
Kombi kombi kombi.
I will own an aircooled bug one day too. I love the oldies.
Cheers, Aurel.馃檪
Cruzin in a Golf 路
if you going to go water cooled get a golf!!! he he, mind you make changes to your engine or get the VR6 and stock wheels look bad, apart from that one cool car!!
[Edited on 17/6/2004 by Cruzin in a Golf]
BenettonVW 路
I'm with you Stealth, this topic does get old, but the newer members perhaps didn't see it the last four times.
I am heavily into the vintage side of things, yet my search for a NB continues.. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder here folks..
Each to their own. They share the badge, so lets keep an open mind. At least it isn't a Holden..
pinklady_bug 路
Hello BenettonVW! And are you today? I don't think this topic gets old I like to hear about everyones cars and there views on things.
It's very nice to hear someone say though that we all share the badge (well I will again soon) so we should all keep an open mind.
byronbus 路
Hmmm...I have two yoots, 1 a 75 bay, 1 a 64 split, a 55 panel and a 54 oval, like Jim I like the vintage... "the older the better" is motto in life, encourages me every year as I get older, I try and apply that motto to everything in my life, mature means less games....
But when you have old cars I think you need at least 3, 1 thats in the workshop, 1 that you're driving and 1 in case the 1 you're driving brakes down...cant go wrong.
byronbus 路
But recently when two were off the road, I considered selling 3 and buying a low k's transporter, but couldnt decide between the 64 singlecab and the oval, so will just keep them all til i decide...
But if you dont work on them yourself then go the new beetle and save for an old one, pre 67, then slowly learn and tinker...
KruizinKombi 路
Yeah, I'm with Stealth on this one too.
I personally have very little interest in watercooled VWs, but each to their own!! They ARE still Volkswagens!! Go the Passat!!! :P