Comments and Language on the forum.

I’m discussed with the type of comments and language being displayed for all to see. The forum is there to be shared and viewed by everyone. Do we really want current or potential VW lover interested in the forum to perceive us this way? Those members, who will remain nameless, “you know you are” Should have a good hard think before there next posting on the forum.

I believe these individuals are bringing discredit upon the forum and the VW scene.

I’m interested to hear other forum users views on this.

:cussing

[Edited on 9-8-2004 by Bone Collector]

here here i agree with this cause im trying to reduce my swearing, one down side to the forces, and if you dont believe some one is right its there opinion and they are entitled to it but lets not act like children. i get enough of that at work

I don't care about the language but I am amazed at the way some people attack others just for expressing their opinion and then it turning into a "School Yard" argument.
I thought the forum was so we can all share our knowledge, opinions and meet other like minded VW lovers, and most of all..... to have FUN!
Some members need to grow up (mentally) and not think when someone voices their opinion that they are attacking them personally.

Well that's my 2cents worth.

I agree, we just need to use a bit of common sence.

cool.... so hurling s*#! (censored for eveyone's well being) at someone's car is acceptable...... i'll just remember to quote it as my opinion.

I'm trying to raise a valid point, not have did at anyone.

yeah... that's fine with me... is a valid point.. was making one too.

I guess the problem is (as is the problem with most forums / message boards etc) is that you can't read the persons face or hear the tone in thier voice when they make the comment and most people jump to the conclusion that they are being nasty.
I think Bone Collector was right in saying we need to use a little bit of common sence.

I agree, this should be a place to be enjoyed and ppl should think about how their statements may be viewed by others. no matter what is said and how it is said think before you type.

I'm glad to see there are some responsible forum users out there.:beer

It doesn't take much to be a little sensible and sensitive.... Trust me, I have had to bite my tounge and hold back comments quiet a few times and that is definately not in my nature (I'm a mega bitch!!! lol), but I don't like to make enemies. You never know when you may need a helping hand and the only person that can help is someone that you have pissed off.

Good call. I'll watch this thread with interest.

I agree there is far to much use of profanity on the forum. Nearly every post there is someone swearing. I personally don't like reading profanity and I agree that it reflects badly on all forum members as we basically condone it by not saying anything.

Don't get me wrong, everyone is entitled to an opinion and free speech and all that, but you don't need to use profanity to get your point accross.

Maybe we should start a poll on this, and then the Moderators can turn the filter on that blocks out profanity.

That's my 2c.

im the same i can get in to enough trouble with out others misinterpreting what im saying

Always remember that there are kids, grandmas, and sensitive people reading the forum. Don't use language that would be inappropriate for those people. Simple!

I agree....people should remember that this is a public forum and that "name calling" and "car bashing" should not have a place here. We all should respect others rides and lowering standards to express an attitude should be taken elsewhere ( the toilet perhaps and flush twice so it goes the distance). RESPECT has been lost???? No need to use obscene language to express an opinion. Some people need to grow up........and buy a buggy:bounce

What people have to do is read the posts to enjoy them or not, it's up to you.
If there is a thread about an issue/topic that asks you for a comment, then go ahead..... do your best.

BUT..... there is no need for negative comments that you know will upset the originator of the post that was not warented or needed to comment on.

i.e. (post) "look at my nissan powered, baja beetle's new paint job"
Don't answer with ..........ah bloody baja's there all shit, i hate it when people do that to them or you just wrecked a perfectly good car putting water cooled into a bug!
or It's not a real VW anymore..... you know what i'm getting at 🙂

The originator of the post wanted us to look at the new paint job, not to knock there taste in cars or modifications. Alot of people take heaps of time, effort and money to get there car to where it is, or buy a dunger for a couple of hundred bucks, but love it all the same....... so do us all a favour and keep any negative comments to a absolute minimum as it will only upset members about posting messages again.
Unless the member is asking for positive or negative comments about there posted topic, there is plenty of opportunity to do so then and debate the issues they posted about.

Also, please people don't get so bloody anal on certain topics regarding dates, years, models etc that some new (and old members) may not know about. Be constructive and explain there misinformation, not distructive, it just pisses members off. Like being corrected from a bloody school teacher (apologies to all teachers on the forum 🙂 )

I'm the first to get very upset at certain comments about a topic that i may post about, it's supposed to be fun and enjoyable, so take the time to think about posting replies and remember the originator of the post did not want (usually) a shit fight about the topic he/she put up.

Now join me in a big group******HUG******* :kiss

Man i need a little lie down! 😉

now you have sold the westie you can borrow my kombi for a lie down any time..

this is a place i come to get away from the bagging and back stabing that happens at work

I am a teacher and you are forgiven.

ducky wrote:I am a teacher and you are forgiven.

were you forgiving me ducky? if you were thank you but i dont know what i was being forgiven for

just kidding. 😉

allow me to apologise for my use of profanity, i was just frustrated with the situation, which is of course, no excuse. however, i do maintain that i haven't 'bagged' anyone's ride. (although, i'd love to 'bag' my own, if you catch my drift 😉)

i would also like to take this opportunity to thank the mod or whoever it was that deleted my thread in member's rides instead of just deleting the few offensive posts in it, while all the other threads with similar sentiment in them remain. that was a great move.

[Edited on 9-8-2004 by cray]

people on here are very passionate about VWs and sometimes step over the line while giving Their point of view.I do enjoy the many different opinions and find 99% very usefull.
at the end of the day,we do need to think twice before we type...there have been times I Wished I had and am very sorry to those people involved.
A well bought up topic "bone collector":beer:beer
Rob

just cut the swearing and all will be well ,either as MikeM says have a swearing filter like on some of the internet games have got:thumb

Well said BLKBUG. This forum was a place of encouragement some time ago, and that was one of the many reasons it was made.
Unfortunetly, somewhere along the line, we have lost sight of that, and become bitter and selfish, and sometimes closed minded in our ideas and opinions.

Cray, your post has been placed in the 'Suspended Posts' section of the Moderator forum. It will either stay there, or it will be edited and returned back from whenst it came. I didn't move it, nor do I know who did.

As far as the language is concerned, we as a forum had a poll sometime ago that discussed whether we could turn the filter on/off, or were we all adult enough to use disgretion in our use of language.
I am guilty of cussing to both describe emotions or anything else. I think the Grandmas/ Kids/ etc. arguement is pitiful. If you are old enough to have an interest in VW's, then you are old enough to have heard such 'adult' language before, however indecent it may seem. After all, this forum is generally an adult environment, with the exceptions of maybe a handful of teenagers, and I am certain that they have heard/ read the language before.

It all boils down to common sense. Simple. Use it when you need to use it, and there won't be a problem.

[Edited on 9-8-2004 by BenettonVW]

BenettonVW wrote:Well said BLKBUG. This forum was a place of encouragement some time ago, and that was one of the many reasons it was made.
Unfortunetly, somewhere along the line, we have lost sight of that, and become bitter and selfish, and sometimes closed minded in our ideas and opinions.

Cray, your post has been placed in the 'Suspended Posts' section of the Moderator forum. It will either stay there, or it will be edited and returned back from whenst it came. I didn't move it, nor do I know who did.

As far as the language is concerned, we as a forum had a poll sometime ago that discussed whether we could turn the filter on/off, or were we all adult enough to use disgretion in our use of language.
I am guilty of cussing to both describe emotions or anything else. I think the Grandmas/ Kids/ etc. arguement is pitiful. If you are old enough to have an interest in VW's, then you are old enough to have heard such 'adult' language before, however indecent it may seem. After all, this forum is generally an adult environment, with the exceptions of maybe a handful of teenagers, and I am certain that they have heard/ read the language before.

It all boils down to common sense. Simple. Use it when you need to use it, and there won't be a problem.

[Edited on 9-8-2004 by BenettonVW]

thanks for letting me know. and i have to say, i agree with everything you've said. love your work mate.

Not Guilty on the suspended post Cray :o

Twas not me.

Honestly I haven't noticed too much swearing......:jesus

Some of the members can get a wee bit over excited or a bit insensitive with their comments at times but over all I think things are fairly fine

The internet medium is not the ideal one for forethought at times :duh

It's an instant exposure that some people may regret for a time later on:jesus

A nice guide for posting stuff on forums I find is to not say anything that you wouldn't say to a person if they were standing in front of you. That and if someone posts something which you feel like reacting too, try to wait an hour or so (maybe even sleep on it), cool down and think before you post.

I've got into all out mud slinging with people via e-mail, forums and instant messengers in the past, and it's extremely unpleasant to the point where I managed to completely alienate two good friends.

Sometimes it's better to pick your battle's wisely and not get caught up over anything to trivial. By the way that's said only with reference to the trivial things I've got into arguments about in the (thankfully distant) past, not anything that's happened on here.

Sorry about the past. I've reformed!

So, I was on the way to church, when I pricked myself in the finger doing my needlepoint. "Darn", I said. I shall have to fix the suspension. Or perhaps lay off doing needlepoint whilst driving. It's good being silly and emotionless oncemore!

"twiddle-dee-dee, that will require a tetanus shot"?

(The moderator logs now contains who moved threads... it was not me).

Andrew

I was glad to see some sensible replies and constructive views.:beer

I'm going to top this thread for all to keep reading.

Love youse, love youse all:P

personally i think this is a bit of a crock. i mean let common sense prevail and stomp on the toes of those who overstep the line, but hey, bone collector is more then welcome to his views, but i personally reckon this is being a bit anal (does that seem like a 'fad of the moment word' to anyone?? i hate using it but it seems approprite...) chances are if your old enough to be participating in the aussie v dubbers experience then you've sworn your guts out more then once.... we're all adults here (well mostly) so lets just act it and enjoy the forum and stop the bullcrap....including this witch hunt. dont turn this place into a tip but dont steal the colours from the rainbow...after all, a swear word is only a word after all and it is the prudes of society that attach the stigma of the meaning being 'offensive and rude'....lets embody the volkswagen spirit and just live life and have fun without makin rules and boundaries to govern and dictate the good times.....
ps- please feel open to criticise and argue. i'm open minded, and my opinion is only one raindrop of many.... thanks dubbers.

MikeM wrote:I agree there is far to much use of profanity on the forum. Nearly every post there is someone swearing. I personally don't like reading profanity and I agree that it reflects badly on all forum members as we basically condone it by not saying anything.

Don't get me wrong, everyone is entitled to an opinion and free speech and all that, but you don't need to use profanity to get your point accross.

Maybe we should start a poll on this, and then the Moderators can turn the filter on that blocks out profanity.

That's my 2c.

I Agree with Mike 200%...
I think some people believe they are talking to ONE other person... so keep the swearing etc out....
I don't use bad launguage & I don't like seeing here all the time... this is a Public Forum read by everyone.... Lee

then again if you are gunna post volatile and insulting posts you are gunna get a response in kind.

I would imagine that I have the most colourful vocabulary on the forum since its inception & probably will continue to do so.
I aint about to change & I aint about to apologise. I type like I speak.

This is a forum. A meeting place for the exchanging of opinions.
Now, opinions are like arseholes. Everybodys got one. But if we all had the same opinion there would be no f#cking point!

Discretion is different.
I saw yesterday, what would have to be the worst colour combination I have ever seen on a car. But I can't tell you what it was because it was a beetle, & may well be a member.
While I have no doubt they think it's the ducks guts, I'd have em strung up by the balls.

Anthony, it's this "group hug" bullshit that has led to the demise of the great Aussie bloke. I'll settle for a hand shake..............

😎😎

I think the worst bit is the some people take what other people say the wrong way with out thinking maybe they meant some other meaning. It is very easy to just question their meaning with them politely with a post or u2u before going nuts in a post

but that is just me

Marc

i'm with spook. all the way.

I'm glad to see this discussion has made an impression.

Midlife crisis wrote:I think the worst bit is the some people take what other people say the wrong way with out thinking maybe they meant some other meaning.

then maybe the person putting on the post should reread their statement and ask themselves if it can be misinterpreted. this might save the hassle of people having to ask.

wow, i must have missed the "offending post"........
but this is an interesting thread....and one that has come up before in different forms (ie. what is/isn't ok to post on the forum.....nudity, swearing etc etc)
i am definately guilty of bad language......but i do try to contain myself...but any of you that have met me probably know that i swear a lot in "real life" and (hopefully) not in a negative way....i like to think of them as "adjectives" hehehe.
anyway, i agree with earlier posts on this, we are generally "adults" here, and guided by the same "social norms" here on the INTERNET as we would be in REAL LIFE.
what wouldn't be appropriate to say face to face with someone, shouldnt be tolerated here either (and by that i mean "bagging" out some body's ride or something, being nasty etc - just because you can't see someone's face doesnt mean they are "annonymous"........we all are real people with a shared passion for volkswagens....keep it civil, keep it clean, keep it out of the gutter - and that way we can enjoy a forum where we can all learn and share and all the lovey hippy-stuff we are all so into...eheheheh)

anyway, i apologise for my swearing, i will try not to so much in the future, oh yeah, and for my bad spelling too......

but i guess my point is, don't "hide" behind your internet-persona, the volkswagen scene is a small one, and one day you'll probably meet the person you have been bagging.
and yeah, try to abide by the normal "rules" of society, you know, not too crude, not too rude, no thongs or singlets heheheh......
anyway, thats my opinion for what its worth,
thor🙂

I think you have it all backwards people.

When the rules were mooted 12 months ago or so, I bought this up.

There are now some 2600 members on this forum. (ya did good young Jim).
2600 individuals, 2600 opinions & 2600 different ways of looking at something.
How the hell can anyone hope to be able to write something that will not be offensive or remotely percieved to be offensive to any one or group of 2600 people that you wouldn't know from a bar of soap?
It can't be done, & if you could do it you would acheive instant sainthood. But with me being an athiest, the sainthood would offend me & your back to square one.
Can't win, don't try.
And as I said then, you can't take away someones right to be an arsehole.

It's the people who get offended that need the attitude adjustment.
LIFE'S A BITCH & THEN YOU DIE........DEAL WITH IT.

I think the most amusing part of this thread is the statement at the bottom of Bone collecters posts.
It is well known that I'm no fan of water cooled VWs, & if you ask me I will tell you so. IF YOU ASK!!
I don't jam it down the bottom of every one of my posts.

Some folks should practice what they preach.

HAHA. rock on!:cussing:cussing:cussing:cussing

With you all the way Spook.
Letsm just get on with it.

Cheers
Dave

If memory serves Dave, you always were.

Gunna be a pity the day we meet & can't stand each other........:beer

I agree that we are all adults here but reading some comments it amazes me how bitchy and nasty some people can get. To me the language is not an issue, I'm a tradesman so it comes naturally!
The issue to me is the lack of respect some people show to others and their rides or posts/opinions. The chatroom is a good one for it, a certain scavenging bird often seen at the tip is a good example.......
You can't slate people because you think you can hide behind your computer.
If you have a problem with someone, take up with them somewhere else, preferably face to face.
Chances are that most wouldn't dare!
The fact is someday you might meet that person and you'll look like a prize d...head when they are not what you expected........(read BIG)
Save red faces and as my good old mum says "If you have nothing to say then say nothing at all"
No need to kiss and hug, but common sense and decency is all that is needed........
:thumb

Keep it friendly people.

Andrew

Spook, you are incredible. Drving friggen trains for days at a time, probably more like months at a time, and manage to come back to this thread, which is right up your alley so far it is choking you.. incredible.

I recall the first time we spoke about this, (btw this is about the fifth time this has been raised), I basically said that I can't and won't have an opinion on this topic, as you may recall Spook. Well, bugger that now, as I believe everyone is adult enough to be able to handle it.

I agree with Spook, in some sort of calmer way.. I still firmly believe that you can't please 100% of the people 100% of the time.. One of the first things I learnt in Sales. Am I right Daz? It still just simply boils down to common sense, thats it. Some of us have more than others; okay, granted, but for christ sake people use ya heads and all will be fine. It also comes down to if the individual is opinionated. If they are, then they are going to be prepared for the backlash and aftermath of stating their opinion if it is so ground shaking.. If they are not, then they will nod, laugh, shake their head, growl and possibly even swear..

But it will not be typed.. It will be whilst they look at the monitor.

Imagine where we would be if people didn't have opinions? As a forum, where would we be? Wouldn't be much to read. Wouldn't be 2600 people ultimately. And they are only the registered ones.. You can nearly double that I reckon. What would they be reading if there was no opinions?

It is just how people voice their opinions, and sometimes we are all guilty of using language as an emotional expression of how passionate we feel about things, and under no circumstances should it be used to abuse people. Thats where we have been having a problem recently.

another way to look at it might be that there are umpteen threads multiplied by as many posts. There are as many opinions as there are posts. Some posts are gunna rub some other posters the wrong way, then away it goes.
However out of all that many posts the aggro / swearing / insulting / blasphemous ones are in the minor part of a minority. (I didn't look up the stats so that is another opinion)

It would be a bland old place if everyone agreed on everything I reckon (another opinion).
As for swearing; well sometimes I reckon it adds colour and flair so why not?

[Edited on 14-8-2004 by Dubnut]

What can I say? These sort of threads just call to me brother.

Spook, it says, some one is trying to stifle your freedom on the forum.
Weird huh?

I didn't even get to see what kicked it off. Wasn't me this time, which makes a change.

Jeez...... it's easy to see nothing has changed around here.

There is always somebody starting something, and it wasn't me this time either.

What do they say, you cant please all of the people all of the time.

If you dont like something, hard luck, we are mostley adults on this site and we have all heard everything, so get on with it.
I believe that the minority of minors who visit this site would here a lot worse at school! even primary school.

This is a forum for people to express themselves, so please dont try and tell us what we can or cant talk about or how we articulate.

Cheers
Dave.

My point of view and if you dont like it I dont care, cause its mine.

Well.... Ill put in my 2cents..... I dont think i have ever said anything i would not say to someones face but... can i can say that i use a lot more of the hmmmmm swearing words in person when i get carried away or annoyed. I dont use the words on the forum just because i maybe taken the wrong way but you can not change the person you have to accept them for who and what they say.

But even if a filter is put on the forum you are in a way your dictating what members can say and how they can express them selves.

You have a couple of options if you see something you dont like then DONT KEEP READING THE POST AND HAVE A SPIT sure put your opinion but remember that you may hurt someones feelings and expect something to be said back. The other is move on and get over it. Dont keep pushing your own thoughts across on someones thread. The next one is if you know the person that uses the type of words that you dont like reading or hearing then dont hang around on that post and skip it.

I agree also that no matter what someone says or writes it will never go over smoothly with 100% of forum members, as someone always jumps in and says something negative and had a dig.

I never saw the post about the BAJA Bug with the non VW Engine in it but hay if you are not going to say something constructive dont say anything at all in that instance as all he wanted to do is show his paint job.

I am probably woffling but its just my 2cents

I think all in all its a great place to exchange ideas and get to know ppl around Australia that have and love VW's and to find out what other people are doing.

Moniek

[Edited on 14-8-2004 by Mrs M]

Every time my Baja is in a Show, I over hear at least one or as many as ten negative comments about Baja's.
I also hear a lot of positive things about mine, but last year while I was on a Cruise Some body said to his mate, while he was looking at my Car.
I hate these ugly things and pointed at my Baja.

I turned around and said "who (F___ING) asked you DICK HEAD"
He didn't stick around to answer.

So I guess the Forum isn't that diffrent to real life.
I wouldn't say anything here, that I wouldn't say face to face.
🙂

And so the circle continues to go round.

This debate will go on ad nauseum because there isn't really an answer.

As Jim pointed out, this would be the 4th or 5th time this has come up. I have no doubt it will happen again.
What's changed?? Fuck all really.
Because there is nothing wrong with the way it is.

If you wrap the forum in cotton wool & make sure all posts are warm & fuzzy, you'll have 20 members left by the end of the month.
If we all had my 'fuck em if they can't take a joke' attitude, you'll have a different 20 members left by the end of the month, but 20 members just the same.
You need the mixture to make the forum.

The language; As I said I type like I talk. This is me. How many of those I met at the nationals were shocked & stunned that every third word that came out of my mouth was "four letter"? Or was it exactly what you expected?
I've not asked anyone to like it, but I really don't care if you don't.

The comments; For the most part I think the members show great restraint with their comments.
I"ll bet there is barely a person among us who hasn't written "I think your wrong" or "I disagree", when every sinew in their body was screaming - Will you get this into your pointy head you fucking imbecile!!!!!!
But no one actually writes it.
If you did, that's where the moderators step in & remove it.

By the same token, if you can't take criticism, don't ask people what they think. The only person that thinks like you IS you. Not everyone will agree.

This thread will disappear into obscurity, the same as every other one before it. Nothing will change.
There's no need to fix something that just aint broken....😎

I'm a member on another Car Forum that is unrelated to VW's.

Most of us on there have Met and know each other in real life. (face to face)

We swear and talk on the Forum like we would on the Street.

eg. Shut up tool, Get fucked, Your car looks like a Rice Burner and some C__T at a Work shop did a shit job and over charged me.

They call each other names, question there sexuality and even photo shop stupid photos of each other.
I often read things on that Forum and think that wouldn't last 2 seconds on Vee dubbers Forum without starting a shit fight.

But no body Complains and as far as I know nobody has been hurt, it's just like stuffing around at work.

If somebody says something you don't like about your Car, tell them to get Fucked. Or mind there own business, you will feel a whole lot better.

Or they could bash you, one of the two. 😉

I just thought of another thing, If somebody doesn't like your Car why cant they keep there OPION to them self’s.

I mean seriously, I have never walked up to somebody and said that what they think is nice on there Car looks shit, even if I think it does.
Or I haven’t said it out loud so they can hear it.

So as it has already BASICLY been mentioned countless times in this thread.
" If don't have any nice to say, than say nothing."

What's this all about?

Waters for pussies. Air cooled power.

And from the prude who started things! (BTW - that's just me being a naughty little smart arse - sorry Dude!).

Maybe there should be an online therapist for all those who are hurt by opinions or personality or those highly toxic four letter words? Or maybe a warning smily at the start of the post? Skull and cross pistons or something.

I'm with the forum dinosaurs on this. Who'd have thought that someone who uses those four letter words (Spook) could express a point so eloquently. Hurrah - pip pip and tally ho what old Bean!

where is this post going,if i dont like a type of car and the owner called me a dickhead because i was talking to mate about it,? lucky thay didnt tell you to mind your bussines and smash into you,.big deal its only a car as long as you like it ,

[Edited on 17-8-2004 by tracash242]

tracash242 wrote:where is this post going,if i dont like a type of car and the owner called me a dickhead because i was talking to mate about it,? lucky thay didnt tell you to mind your bussines and smash you,.big deal its only a car as long as you like it ,

ANY TIME THEY WANT TO TRY, BRING IT ON.

:vader

supose i can see where your coming from as i think ive seen your car and its a pretty smick job,im just used to diks disin my trashy kombis,:beer,sounds like meat heads trying to bait you up,shoud of just ran them over,😉

[Edited on 15-8-2004 by tracash242]

Flying VW wrote:

tracash242 wrote:where is this post going,if i dont like a type of car and the owner called me a dickhead because i was talking to mate about it,? lucky thay didnt tell you to mind your bussines and smash you,.big deal its only a car as long as you like it ,

ANY TIME THEY WANT TO TRY, BRING IT ON.

:vader

check ya u2us flyin!

"If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."

Fair enough, but context is all important.

A sly comment out of context, should be kept to yourself.

But, as I type, here & now, there are two threads on the first page that ask for opinions.

This is where it gets interesting.
If you begin a thread with the words "what do you think", you had best be prepared for some sort of negative response as well as the positive.
The "anti" are as entitled to their opinion as the "pro" & THEY HAVE BEEN ASKED FOR IT!!
You can't directly ask for a persons opinion & then spit the dummy when they don't agree with you.
I couldn't count how many times it has happened though.

As I wrote earlier, for the most part, it's the people getting offended that need the attitude adjustment.

Don't ask for peoples opinions if you can't take criticism!

Your car is built to your taste, as mine is built to my taste, not the taste of others.

Fact is, if you like it, you shouldn't give a rats arse what anyone else thinks.

Wow... I'm surprised this thread is still going.

Why don't we all build a bridge and get over it. Lets agree to disagree on somethings. We aren't all gonna have the same opinions or values. It's because we are all different that makes this place interesting.

Coopgirl.

Well said

I think this discussion is really starting to run offf the rails.

lol... happens to most threads.

Dubnut wrote:

Flying VW wrote:

tracash242 wrote:where is this post going,if i dont like a type of car and the owner called me a dickhead because i was talking to mate about it,? lucky thay didnt tell you to mind your bussines and smash you,.big deal its only a car as long as you like it ,

ANY TIME THEY WANT TO TRY, BRING IT ON.

:vader

check ya u2us flyin!

🙂 I read the U2U.
No problem, bring it on. 🙂

there is no problem with opposing, contrary, ignorant or any other opinion. I just get a bit hot under the dash when a post has a specific theme and some dumbster puts in the slaggoff..whether it is swearing or not..why can't those pple start their own thread? if they do it to get a reaction, well I'll provide one...then they get all uppity because I or someone else doesn't turn the other front guard..
do youse like my car anaolgies?
and I have NO problem with my reaction or language. this latest thread was started just after I reacted to a post put in a thread that had nothin to do with that thread...but the dickhead (not a wombat) who caused my reaction has crawled off some where now and we are still yackin about it...that's ok it is a chat forum isn't it?


[Edited on 16-8-2004 by Dubnut]

Flying VW wrote:Every time my Baja is in a Show, I over hear at least one or as many as ten negative comments about Baja's.
I also hear a lot of positive things about mine, but last year while I was on a Cruise Some body said to his mate, while he was looking at my Car.
I hate these ugly things and pointed at my Baja.

I turned around and said "who (F___ING) asked you DICK HEAD"
He didn't stick around to answer.

So I guess the Forum isn't that diffrent to real life.
I wouldn't say anything here, that I wouldn't say face to face.
🙂

I hear you !

Try driving a watercooled and see the response you get !!!!

And for the record, I think that your baja is very pretty in a masculine type of way of course ! It would have to be one of the finest examples of bajas that I have seen !

After all ..... If it was ugly then why would it be a highly sought after fashion model ????

If it's a VW it rock.

mscabrio wrote:

Flying VW wrote:Every time my Baja is in a Show, I over hear at least one or as many as ten negative comments about Baja's.
I also hear a lot of positive things about mine, but last year while I was on a Cruise Some body said to his mate, while he was looking at my Car.
I hate these ugly things and pointed at my Baja.

I turned around and said "who (F___ING) asked you DICK HEAD"
He didn't stick around to answer.




nice to see you back baby....bloody passwords

So I guess the Forum isn't that diffrent to real life.
I wouldn't say anything here, that I wouldn't say face to face.
🙂

I hear you !

Try driving a watercooled and see the response you get !!!!

And for the record, I think that your baja is very pretty in a masculine type of way of course ! It would have to be one of the finest examples of bajas that I have seen !

After all ..... If it was ugly then why would it be a highly sought after fashion model ????

nice to see you back...baby...danged passwords eh?

[Edited on 18-8-2004 by Dubnut]

mscabrio wrote:I hear you !

Try driving a watercooled and see the response you get !!!!

And for the record, I think that your baja is very pretty in a masculine type of way of course ! It would have to be one of the finest examples of bajas that I have seen !

After all ..... If it was ugly then why would it be a highly sought after fashion model ????

Thanks...... Your WATER COOLED Cabrio is Cool too,
I love the colour, I think it's the best that V.W have ever used on the New Beetle. 🙂

I've been looking out, for your Car's modelling debut.🙂

Uhh.. well if you are looking for it's modelling debut in that colour, it won't happen.. Try some 'different' yellow..

Yeah I know.... Red wasn't it.
Those advertisers are a bit crazy. 😉

Yellow I believe.

If we all cant sort it out like grown ups, with grown up words, and a bit of respect for each other, then we should all be forced to east some magic mushrooms and jelly wrestle it out. Like real sickoes!

Have I degenerated the thread enough now? I was getting sick of all the harshness, and thought it time for some good old aussie stupidity!

Love Martin!

All we need is a little bit of RESPECT for others and there choice in Cars.

I guess when people are Jealous of your Car, it's easier to be Critical than nice.

Flying VW wrote:

mscabrio wrote:I hear you !

Try driving a watercooled and see the response you get !!!!

And for the record, I think that your baja is very pretty in a masculine type of way of course ! It would have to be one of the finest examples of bajas that I have seen !

After all ..... If it was ugly then why would it be a highly sought after fashion model ????

Thanks...... Your WATER COOLED Cabrio is Cool too,
I love the colour, I think it's the best that V.W have ever used on the New Beetle. 🙂

I've been looking out, for your Car's modelling debut.🙂

The advertisers have butchered it big time ...... It is a really gross shade of yellow ! I am actually embarrassed for my poor car, it's modelling debut and it looks like a sick bridesmaid !

it doesn't look that bad.... :P

blutopless2 wrote:it doesn't look that bad.... :P

Yeah, but you are blind ..... It looks crap ..... and I am allowed to say that ..... IT IS MY CAR
:P

i find your comments ucking offensive and i am pissed off!!! i will report this post to the moderators
😉

blutopless2 wrote:i find your comments ucking offensive and i am pissed off!!! i will report this post to the moderators
😉

That is not even funny ! And I am talking about MY car, if I was talking about yours then you could be pissed ...... like .... your car is crap .... it has no wheels and no guards and no engine !

:jesus

it does so have all those things.... just coz they are not ON the car... lol

I am very confused.. what looks Crap about the Beetle?

Flying VW wrote:I am very confused.. what looks Crap about the Beetle?

I think you might find that those 2 diddn't have much work on today....
I'm sure they will make up soon though

mscabrio wrote:The advertisers have butchered it big time ...... It is a really gross shade of yellow ! I am actually embarrassed for my poor car, it's modelling debut and it looks like a sick bridesmaid !

I understand now....... I didn't read this part of the Post.


🙂

Dubnut wrote:I have NO problem with my reaction or language. this latest thread was started just after I reacted to a post put in a thread that had nothin to do with that thread...but the dickhead (not a wombat) who caused my reaction has crawled off some where now and we are still yackin about it...that's ok it is a chat forum isn't it?

Oh, c'mon David - I was a dickhead. So were you (a bit). I don't think Lee was too much of one tho'. His comments weren't like "New Beetle Driver's are a menace to society" or anything. He just stated his preference in his own words on that thread. Most people would've just thought - "Ah the crusty old Bugger!"
and left it at that.

Here's the post again:

I'm sorry, but

I don't really like any Mexican made arses...

Especially water cooled ones........

Now - If he has been mouthing off and rude at places like Valla, then that's just not polite. This forum, and events are just as much about people as cars. That sort of stuff is just antisocial egodribble.

Anyway, Lee''s really helpful on the forum with tips and encouragement (especially in Tech talk), and I think it's a shame if he's crawled off somewhere because he couldn't deal with the agro.

If you have issues with him because of something else, maybe some U2U might have worked better? I dunno? I'm just a stupid crapper on-errer, so what does it matter? The whole action has been good for clearing up some hidden issues though, so good work I suppose David.

BTW - It's Martin in case anyone want's to talk to the guy behind the stupid name and avatar. And unfortunately I'm pretty much exactly like this in real life, so I apologise for all those people who will be forced to meet me at dub event's in the future.

That is not even funny ! And I am talking about MY car, if I was talking about yours then you could be pissed ...... like .... your car is crap .... it has no wheels and no guards and no engine !

:jesus [/quote]


BINGO!
"if I was talking about yours then you could be pissed...........like........your car is crap"

So why is it that every time someone mentions not liking a particular style of VW, those who own that style take it personally?

3 simple rules of life;
1) Not everyone likes you.
2) Not everyone agrees with you.
3) No matter how strong you think your case is, there are those that will not be swayed.

2 of the 3 will apply on this forum. (I don't beleive you can dislike someone if you haven't met them)

It is well known that I have no time for the NBs, but that's not to say it's Andrew's car or Anthony's car or any other ONE in particular. It's THE car.
Those who own them may disagree, but you'll never sway me.

Which brings me to Flying VW.
If this guy has said he doesn't like "those" ugly things, then he didn't really have a shot at YOUR car.
You haven't said if your baja was entered in this show.
This is important for the " who asked you". If your car was entered, then in a very real way, YOU asked him.
As for the "bring it on" crap, learn to control your temper young man.
You don't want to go where I've been.

[Edited on 19-8-2004 by Spook]

stating that you dont like the nb means that all nb owners will take it personally as this is their chosen car...

And saying you don't like commonwhores (oops, crapadores) means their owners will take it personally. There's a hell of a lot of people on here that drive those things more than they do VWs.

If someone says they hate NBs, so what? THEY hate them, doesn't mean that people who like them are wrong.

I hate brussel sprouts but people who do don't get upset when I say so. If this was a vegetable forum I'm sure there would be no people with hurt feeling if I said "I" don't like them. If I said "Brussel sprouts suck and anyone who eats them is a bloody moron" that would be a different thing.

The only people who should (or have a right) to take offence to someone saying they don't like or even hate NBs are the designers (or should I say marketers) responsible for them. Owners choose with their preferences and prejudices.

When I hear people say how they loathe bay buses I don't get upset or take it personally - hell I probably feel the same about their golf or their superbug!

Then that's THEIR problem.

I don't expect everybody to like kombis just because I do. I also own an International, but I don't expect anyone here to like it. Just to show I really don't care what other people think, I'm about to buy a P76. See how many people think they're a shitbox, then see if I care!!

I don't believe people should criticise other people's cars, especially on this forum. But in real life, if you can't handle people not liking your car, there's not much you can do about it.



I always told friends that the thing I liked most about the VW crowd is how I can go to shows and people don't criticise each others cars. I've been to a lot of other car shows and it just seems like one big testosterone-charged leg-humping exercise, with people all wanting to think that their car is better, even if it is still only an idea in their head. Within the VW fraternity (in my experience) people have seemed to appreciate what they liked about other cars, and ignored the things they dislike. I've always thought the VW crowd was more open-minded and accepting, but I'm starting to wonder....

all of what Kol said

I dont like NBs but I do like brussell sprouts :thumb

KruizinKombi wrote:I don't believe people should criticise other people's cars, especially on this forum.


I've always thought the VW crowd was more open-minded and accepting, but I'm starting to wonder....

i totally agree about the criticism
open mindedness??????????????????????????? are you taking the piss???????????????
hahahahahahaha.... this forum proves how "openminded" VW people can be.

I would think it quite open minded of an avowed VW fan to say they don't like one of VWs cars. Openminded behaviour requires the frank discussion of ones opinions and the courage to accept that people will not have the same taste.

Close mindedness is saying people cannot voice an opinion contrary to your own.

byronbus wrote:I dont like NBs but I do like brussell sprouts :thumb

Mmmmmm.............. brussell sprouts.
I'm with you byronbus, in regards to both things mentioned.

open mindedness is also the acceptance of change, differences, alternatives etc etc.

You can be open to change, differences, alternatives etc etc but you don't have to like them.

mmmm brusslesprouts, anchovies and bluevein cheese all wrapped up in a chocolate pancake, served on a bed of raw onions......

not may people would agree that's the thing to eat...but somewhere someone may like it.. who cares... but i am sure they would be a very interesting person to talk to if that was thier dish of choice...

can't say many peeps were impressed with my beast, but I like it.. who cares?

It appears that some people are just not reading the posts as thoroughly as they should, in fact it is in some ways amusing.. a little sad, but amusing nonetheless.

Being new to all this dubbin lovin,, I am surprised by all the goings on... :duh sheesh play nicely kiddies.. I am just happy I have a vw???? Call it crap if you want... I will just laugh... because I CAN.

[Edited on 20-8-2004 by $2.63 homebrand baja]

im open to different ways of consuming brussell sprouts, you can be quite creative with that sort of thing...if you know what i mean...

I just LOVE brussell sprouts!! As for blue Vein cheese.. YUK!!

oooooohhhhh,, heres a raunchy one for youz...

ooh ooh oooohhhhh.............

OMG!!

$2 DON'T DO THAT TO ME!!!! :blush

this one may be a little too raunchy...

(sorry for the flash o' stem there).. now.. what appears to be some kind of sprout orgy.... dissss--gusting little vegies indeed...........

Are they your hands heather?

I'm getting hot under the collar now.... Cut it out would you!

LOL

mmmmmyfavouritekindofstewwwww.........

oops sorry,, wrong smutfiles.... :jesus

nah they aren't my hands byron.. had to get in a model.. mine are to hairy...:P

Dilma Tea......

the only way to eat them is steamed, slice in half with a good squeeze of lemon juice.

Hey, I never knew how they actually grew until you posted that pic. I just learnt something new for today!!!

I agree with the steamed and with lemon juice. YUMMO!

Spook wrote:Which brings me to Flying VW.
If this guy has said he doesn't like "those" ugly things, then he didn't really have a shot at YOUR car.
You haven't said if your baja was entered in this show.
This is important for the " who asked you". If your car was entered, then in a very real way, YOU asked him.
As for the "bring it on" crap, learn to control your temper young man.
You don't want to go where I've been.

[Edited on 19-8-2004 by Spook]

OK Spook you got me on the Plural. 😉
I've always said that you're intelligent.

There is alot of prejudice towards Baja's in Melbourne, I get it all the time.
The fact that I'm proberly the only member in the Melbourne club to own one and there is only about 3 others around says it all.
Recently at a Meeting somebody who was asked to speak about Bajas, kit cars and V.W Styles over the last 40 years basicly stood up and said "I hate them all".

(Yeah welcome to our Club).

I could go into great details of the trouble I've had with Baja exceptance, but I'm not prepared to open that tin of worms on here and it's been sorted out anyway.

As for the Bloke your asking about
I don't have a problem with constructive criticism, but I'm not going to sit by and listen to comments like " I hate these ugly things".
I guess you would need to be there to understand the context of what went on.

Since mine was the only Baja there and he had already looked it over, it's fair to say it was directed at mine.

And I know at 34 I'm a few years behind you, and I don't know where you've been. But believe me when I say I've been around.

Also I didn't loose my temper, I was just saying that if that DICK HEAD wanted to have ago, I wouldn't loose any Sleep over it.
And with Dub nut that was a JOKING way of replying to a unrelated U2U he sent me.





[Edited on 20-8-2004 by Flying VW]

flying............................ dare to be different .. is all I can say :thumb

don't let it get you down.....baja's are fun fun fun! be happy knowing there are a lot of peeps who think they are sexy!

KruizinKombi wrote:I don't believe people should criticise other people's cars, especially on this forum.



I always told friends that the thing I liked most about the VW crowd is how I can go to shows and people don't criticise each others cars.

I don't think they should Criticise either, NEARLY every car on Show either has a lot of money, time, effort, love or all of the above put into it.


As for what you told your Friends... with all due respect your wrong. It happens every where.

Spook wrote:You haven't said if your baja was entered in this show.
This is important for the " who asked you". If your car was entered, then in a very real way, YOU asked him.

Sorry Spook, I got carried away and forgot to answer.

No it wasn't entered into a show, it was just parked in a parking spot and minding it's own business after a Cruise.
There wasn't a show on that day.

My apologies, I thought it was at a show.
That being the case, your right, I'm wrong. Fuck him & the horse he rode in on.
If they have a problem with yours, the yellow piece of shit I used to own would really upset 'em.
The baja is like a yoyo. Be big for a while, die out, come back, die out again.
They were everywhere in the mid 70s, again in the mid 80s, then again 93 to about 96. I haven't seen one in Newcastle since Steve (bronze) went to Dubbo.
I got a kit under the house. When the circle comes round again, I'll be ready.

Then , of course, my country buggy is considered the epitome of ugly Volkswagens.


Criticism & bitchiness is human nature. You got no more chance of getting it off this forum than you do any other part of your life.

I can only speak for myself.
I am one of the air cooled brigade.
It's not that I like or dislike the water cooled cars, it's lack of interest. This goes for everything from the first Golf to the latest car off the production line. Although I don't mind the look of the early Passats.

My favourites are the split & bay kombis, the baja & the country buggys.
I don't mind the beach buggys but I wouldn't own one. I'll drool over a cabrio, but walk past a hot axe conversion. I can take or leave Karman ghias or Type 3s.

But having said that, I'll pull up & offer assistance to any VW on the side of the road. I have found myself under another mans kombi at 11pm on the F3. I have changed the tyre on an old womans Type 3.
My preferences don't come into it when I'm helping someone out.
I have given away more parts than I care to remember.
I have given the adress of this forum to everyone I have spoken to with so much a an interest in VWs.

In the end, that's what it's all about. Survival of the breed.

Here here.. I just think there is plenty of other breeds out there, with an us versus them mentallity, so we don't really need it within our own circles.

I am with Kol. You like something on a car? Tell them. Don't like it? Why do they have to know? Have some consideration and human decentcy for other peoples feelings. All comes back to common sense, like I said on about page 1 of this thing..

That doesn't mean we should all think the same about topics, feel the same about cars and/ or models of cars.. gawd we should be grateful we have Volkswagens in common, after all, thats why we are here, or did somewhere along the line we forget that?

Imagine if Ice Cream only came in one flavour.. say.. Vanilla. You'd have people liking it or disliking it and having no option. Now think of what we have today.. Okay.. I hate rum and raisin.. Why would I say it though? Why wouldn't I just say "No, I much prefer bubblegum, or licorice, or iced coffee". Instead of 'Nah that rum and raisin is bullshit.. tastes like absolute crap, and everyone that eats it should be shot".

Be thankful we have a choice. Embrace all of the options, not disgrace them.

well said jim🙂🙂

BenettonVW wrote:Imagine if Ice Cream only came in one flavour.. say..

Lucky it doesn't only come in grilled tomato flavour eh?

Yeah good one Jim. I love the Ice Cream Comparison. 🙂

🙂 Boysenberry Rocks 🙂

I'm always gunna go the chocolate..preferably with choc chips......mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

hmmmmmmm chocolate

beetle, kombi, passat, type3, squareback, golf, twincab, dunebuggy, & many more have there own look . a vw on the highway is easier to spot than any other vehicle "thank god" even offshoots porsche audi. vw owners are not sheep but unique "the end".

Can I have peppermint choc chip?? lol

:bounce BOYSENBERRY :bounce

Funny, I've always been content with vanilla.......:kiss

When are we gunna see some pictures out of the book Jim?
I wanted a copy of how to reverse park, but my scanner's been as screwed up as the rest of the computer.

I can teach you to reverse park in an hour..only thing is; I have to be there or you have to be here...

Yeah my scanner is busted, so I will have to get some good close up pics with the cam...

You guys have really lost the plot. I'd check the exhaust to see if it's leaking into the heater channels.lol

You guys are craaaazzyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
:bounce:bounce:bounce:bounce:bounce:bounce:bounce

Bone Collector wrote:You guys have really lost the plot. I'd check the exhaust to see if it's leaking into the heater channels.lol

You guys are craaaazzyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
:bounce:bounce:bounce:bounce:bounce:bounce:bounce

do you mean the heater NOT supposed to smell like exhaust!

Oh well the weather is warming up so I might survive till next winter

up yours frenzix, your cars the biggest shitheap out...... larfed my arse off at valla moite.... you vacuumed it didn't you? You call yourself a ratdriver.. bahhh,, the upholstery was pretty flash there eh bruddah... ur just a poser.. :bounce 😉

Mmmmmmmmm! Mungbeans!

Whats with the baja bashing as for flying vw my baja is worse looking than yours and if someone said that about it i would tell them to f$%king stick it as well, i dont like some cars but i dont stand there and take the piss out them i just walk by and think theres a bit of time gone in to that one, i dont know this person but the fastest way to get your ass kicked is bag out somones pride and joy

[Edited on 10-9-2004 by MUD BASHING ANYONE ??]

Hmm,

As with most things the common sense approach is the best way to deal with the forum. I have given people advice before about posts and emails. If a comment can be construed as negative or positive always assume that the originator of the post or email meant the comment to be positive. As has been said earlier in these discussions you can't see the other person's face. If people wish to be condescending or nasty then that is their problem. Swearing is a different matter. As has been also pointed out already this is a PUBLIC channel and restraint is needed.

I will shut up and go away now to do a bit of swearing 🙂

Well - That only took an hour to read. Phew!

Baja's:
Don't matter what they look like.
What matters his how far into the bush you can get?

Comment: "Hey, Your Baja looks $hit",
Answer: "Get in and I'll show you why" - make sure you line the seat with plastic before hand.

Forum - Like Jim and Spook: Round and round the topic goes.
Don't take anything at face value here or anywhere on the net. If that was the case Jim wants to have me shot.😠 Re- 'Rum and Raisin'😉

:duhThe Bronze.:duh
Dog-O-War to launch off the dunes again!

[Edited on 27-9-2004 by The_Bronze.]

....good to have you back Bronze 🙂

4 letter words are easy to spell and type

PS. its disgusted not disgussed (sic) you w____r

I can't believe this topic is still going ?????????

I can't believe people still try to go F*%K and w____r. Both are very pleasurable activities.

Accept no substitutes. 🙂

Andrew