i see that alot of people put the EJ20 in there beetles has anyone put in an SR20? also what sort of room would be left after putting the EJ20 in would there be enough room to use the twin turbo set up from a EJ20TT ??
hahahah its jesus----> :jesus
gayanne ·
Not much room left iva late all early vw.Using twin turbos no need you will have enought horses to unleash fron the rear from single.Most quick subies in Aust use only one eg. Rigoli boys. My subie motor has one turbo and doesnt run any Sti running gear and has 300hps with just IHI TD05 turbo. SR20 mmmmm?JVLRacing
Baja Wes ·
SR20 is an inline 4 so you won't be able to fit it in a beetle length wise.
It'd probably fit in a kombi or possibly type 3 though.
nomis ·
yeah i didnt think of the way the motor runs i think i will go the EJ20T in a beetle
(havnet got one yet but doing research on my next project hot rod VW :party)
witch would be the best beetle to look for to fit it in the easyest or are they mostly the same?
thanks for the helps fella's
Biggus ·
It might depend on whether or not you move the gearbox. I did think about this conversion, but decided against it for a few reasons. First off, weight. It is an alloy block, but it is still quite heavy. Second was the length. Third was the fact that they're very torquey motors and would probably kill built gearboxes fairly quickly.
A CA18 might be a better choice, maybe even an E15ET.
nomis ·
im just looking at all the facts at the moment...i want to build a hot rod style beetle and as a hot rod it needs a power full motor and i myself are a 4cyl guy im lookin at a turbo motor i would prefer a 2l over anything else
vwrallycar ·
Baja Wes wrote:SR20 is an inline 4 so you won't be able to fit it in a beetle length wise.
i put a golf motor in my beetle!! no real drama fitting it
Craig Torrens ·
nomis wrote:im just looking at all the facts at the moment...i want to build a hot rod style beetle and as a hot rod it needs a power full motor and i myself are a 4cyl guy im lookin at a turbo motor i would prefer a 2l over anything else
2lt turbo............then go with the subie option
Baja Wes ·
vwrallycar wrote:i put a golf motor in my beetle!! no real drama fitting it
I'm quite sure the DOHC SR20 is a longer and bigger motor than the little VW golf motor. When I've looked at my brothers SR20DET there didn't seem like there was any way it would fit in the back of a beetle, and certainly not under the decklid.
I could be wrong of course.
vwrallycar ·
i dont know either Wes if the SR20 motor will fit, but anythings possible
Davecho ·
Biggus wrote:It might depend on whether or not you move the gearbox. I did think about this conversion, but decided against it for a few reasons. First off, weight. It is an alloy block, but it is still quite heavy. Second was the length. Third was the fact that they're very torquey motors and would probably kill built gearboxes fairly quickly.
A CA18 might be a better choice, maybe even an E15ET.
No offense but what have you been smoking to reccomend a ca18 over the mighty sr20!. CA18 is so primitive compared to the sr... just ask anyone who has a s13 or other car that comes with ca or sr and i bet not one would reccomd the ca! its a heap of junk
[Edited on 24/1/05 by Davecho]
Doug Sweetman ·
Have a look at the Volks Swap forum http://frost.bbboy.net/vwengineconversions - there are guys over in Europe that run inline fours in their bugs - like 4AGE's, 4AGZE etc.
Davecho wrote:No offense but what have you been smoking to reccomend a ca18 over the mighty sr20!. CA18 is so primitive compared to the sr... just ask anyone who has a s13 or other car that comes with ca or sr and i bet not one would reccomd the ca! its a heap of junk
[Edited on 24/1/05 by Davecho]
Funny you mention that, actually. We've got two S13s in our family, a lightly modded CA18DET and a slightly more modded SR20DET. Good bolt on stuff tends to result in higher output for the SR, but until recently the fastest S13 drag cars in Japan used CAs. Running into the 10s on street tires was much cheaper with the CA18. Combination of superior valvetrain and cast iron bottom end. In comparison, the SR really dislikes revving, has a notoriously weak valvetrain, and a slightly weaker alloy block (haven't heard of many failing though).
To call the CA "junk" is to also call the entire RB series "junk". They share the same design and construction, varying only in the number of cylinders and the capacity. You're not about to start telling the GTR guys that they've been using crap engines all these years (and getting into the 9s on street tyres), are you?
I'm not bagging the SR at all. I like it, and and have enjoyed driving all the SR cars I've come across. It is a great engine, and responds really well to mods. But it is not true that it is a more advanced engine. It is a *cheaper* engine to produce. That is why Nissan went to it in 1991. It produces a great amount of torque for a 2L motor. It is well designed for its intended purpose. The CA was better designed, but more expensive. Given an extra few cc's, and a T25G, and it would have been everything the SR is, but more willing to rev.
In the S13, the main reason the SR produced more power as standard was the turbo. When I stuck the SR turbo on the CA, the difference between it and a stock SR20 S13 were fairly minor. A little torque from the higher capacity SR was the only thing in its favour in a straight line.
If I were buying another S13 today, I'd be more interested in condition than engine type. They're both great engines.
My recommendation was on the basis of it being slightly smaller than the SR20, and therefore maybe a better proposition for bolting into a bug.
wibble ·
A friend here has an sr20det in her yes her datto 1200 pulling well over 300hp @ wheels now that would be fun in a beetle or buggy,, wahoo!!!!
seagull ·
the toyota looks like a good fit , how about a 1.8 turbo donk ? they fly
Baja Wes ·
Looking at the pic of the 4AGE bug with the engine lid open it looks like there is no way you'd get the engine lid to close. But it does!
I guess the curved VW engine lid is very deceptive. I wouldn't go for a 4AGE though. Sure they rev well and make ok HP, but they don't do much below 3,500rpm. At least not the ones I've driven.
The supercharged 4agze's were much better, giving it that much needed torque. My friend had a 4agze sprinter with an overdriven supercharger. He later pulled the motor and put a CA18DET in it. The CA18DET was faster, but the turbo lag was shocking. I liked it better when it had the 4AGZE.
seagull ·
Wes come to Perth I give you a drive of my Toyota !
Biggus ·
Hey Wes,
I don't think that decklid is entirely stock. I vaguely recall seeing the South African owner of it saying that he'd modified the decklid by cutting it and going over the hole with a fibreglass bump, which the spoiler is attached to.
Still, it looks pretty neat. I don't like the spoiler or the tail lights, but it'd be a lot of fun to drive. You can get a hell of a lot of power out of those little things with good cams.
Brad
Doug Sweetman ·
CA18 also has the most bulletproof bottom end, thanks largely to a crank girdle as stock equipment...... Now thats something you dont see in a shopping trolley engine !
Biggus ·
Pistons and rods aren't quite as good though, Doug. After you get up to around 160kw at the rears, most CAs are on borrowed time. That said, I'd prefer to be building a stronger bottom end on a CA than working on the top end of an SR. Big $$$.
Would love to see either motor in a beetle though. I'd be interested in the humble E15ET in one too.
rice_girl ·
As some S13 gurus say - CA, SR, RB. Crap As, Seriously Rad, Really Bad.
I guess it comes down to a matter of opinion, as does anything. For when I was buying an S13 everybody told me to avoid CA like the plague.
From my experience and that of my friends, I personally wouldn't touch anything other then an SR. I believe in this engine so much and have seen it's unlimited potential. These days the CA isn't even SR's biggest competitor it's that RB-freaking-20 and just the sound of it is enough to make me sick. IT is the worst nissan engine ever produced and noone will convince me otherwise. To put that shite into an S13, or anything other then the POS skyline it belongs in is brain damage.
Anyway, back to the point..Alot of people like CA's and I don't think they are bad, but give me an SR20DET anyday. :thumb
Doug Sweetman ·
Ummm, I dont mean to start another argument, but why the hell would you say that any RB series motor is crap ?
Even the dodgy 'Australianised' RB30ET can make serious power without massive mods. Not alot of engines you can get to run nines in a full steel bodied car and still have standard crank in the block (Nizpro guys over east from memory, its a yellow VL).
No one could complain about the RB26DETT, not with such a cult following in Japan.
RB25DET is a good source for twin cam heads to put on your RB30, but not alot of people seem to use them otherwise.
I always thought people didnt use the RB20 due to it being a 2 liter and harder to fit (2 cyl longer) than the SR / CA options ?
Personally I reckon an RB engined silvia would be an absolute hoot - if you can fit an RB20, you can fit an RB30 with RB25 twin cam conversion and nice big single turbo - who wouldnt enjoy driving a 3 liter silvia ?
Biggus ·
Thanks Rice_Girl. I'll go and have a chat to all the guys in Japan who have been running 10s for the last decade with CAs, and let them know that you think they're choice of engine is crap, and then I'll have a chat to the S13/RB conversion guys in the 9s *on street tyres*, and tell them the same thing. You're really doing us all a big service. Thanks.
S13 "gurus" are a dime a dozen. Everyone who has been for a 10 minute drive in one these days claims to know everything about them.
SR20 and unlimited potential? Sure, but to get into the 10s with an SR will cost significantly more than the CA. As I said, the SR is hampered by a weak valvetrain. The CA doesn't have this problem. Both have bottom ends that are going to go "bang" at some stage. It happens a bit sooner with the CA, sure, but it happens to SRs too. In a big chase for power, you're going to be rebuilding regardless of what engine you've chosen.
How can you say that you "don't think they're bad" after saying you'd "avoid CA like the plague"? And whats the problem with the RB series? I wouldn't put one in an S13 because of the weight, but they're genuinely good engines.
Come on, give me some reasons why the CA is crap? Not just "some dude on the nissansilvia.com forums told me they're weak", give me supported facts.
Doug, there are quite a few S13s getting around with RB20s, and a number with RB25s. The weight difference makes them pretty ordinary to drive without some serious suspension mods, but they go hard and are good drifters. I don't remember seeing any RB30s, but yes, it should be doable. S13-15 and R32s share a lot of similarities in their floorpans. A lot of parts are interchangeable.
pete wood ·
I think, compared to anything VW has to offer, any of the engines mentioned above (with maybe the exception of the E15DET) would be enough to take your breath away if mounted in a beetle. As for the RB series motors, I have recently thought it would be cool to mount a RB30DET in a kombi with an auto and a 4wd transfere box. An open wheeler diff up front and an LSD supra diff (or similar up the back). Can you imagine a turbo 4WD Kombi? Wouldn't be that hard to do. Dump it and give the WRX drivers a shock. :thumb
Biggus ·
Pete, thats E15ET - no "D"... Single cam!
Still be fun! Like shaving the hair off a Barbie Doll. Not the best thing to do with your time, but still amusing.
pete wood ·
Biggus wrote:Pete, thats E15ET - no "D"... Single cam!
Still be fun! Like shaving the hair off a Barbie Doll. Not the best thing to do with your time, but still amusing.
Sorry Biggass, is that how you spell ya name, he he he :P
BTW, keep your freak sicko barbie doll lovin ways away from me! 😠
LOL 😀
Doug Sweetman ·
ROFL !! gotta remember that one....
rice_girl ·
Biggus wrote:Thanks Rice_Girl. I'll go and have a chat to all the guys in Japan who have been running 10s for the last decade with CAs, and let them know that you think they're choice of engine is crap
Firstly, where did I say that this engine was crap?
SR20 and unlimited potential? Sure, but to get into the 10s with an SR will cost significantly more than the CA.
I am yet to see an SR that has reached it's power potential. I have already witnessed 2 CA's that are damn fast but are at their peak as far as further performance goes. I couldn't give a crap about Chang Wang's 10 sec CA in Japan, I haven't witnessed it therefore I can make such a statement.
How can you say that you "don't think they're bad" after saying you'd "avoid CA like the plague"?
Eh? Like I said I was told this, I didn't project this opinion myself.
And whats the problem with the RB series? I wouldn't put one in an S13 because of the weight, but they're genuinely good engines.
Again, I didn't say there was a problem with the RB series, I merely pointed out that I very much disliked the RB20DET.
Come on, give me some reasons why the CA is crap? Not just "some dude on the nissansilvia.com forums told me they're weak", give me supported facts.
And again, I didn't SAY the CA was crap. Where did I say this???????????
To sum my post up I simply portrayed my opinion that although the CA is a good engine, I prefer the SR!!!
JESBUS! Read what I wrote, don't start a flaming session and make crap up!
[Edited on 1/2/2005 by rice_girl]
pete wood ·
oh look over there, what a lovely day it is, (if I can distract them for long enough they will forget to argue... works for my 1 year old anyway.) 😉
rice_girl ·
Personally I reckon an RB engined silvia would be an absolute hoot - if you can fit an RB20, you can fit an RB30 with RB25 twin cam conversion and nice big single turbo - who wouldnt enjoy driving a 3 liter silvia ?
I know of an RB25 silvia, it is insane. It is the fastest street registered Silvia in QLD.
As far as RB20 goes, too many people are doing backyard conversions into S13's now because that engine is way, way cheaper and of course, who wouldn't want a 6 cyl :duh.
I know it will be time to sell off the Silvia when I see broken down S13's here there and everywhere....
rice_girl ·
pete wood wrote:oh look over there, what a lovely day it is, (if I can distract them for long enough they will forget to argue... works for my 1 year old anyway.) 😉
I don't want to argue :kiss
I just put forward an opinion and suddenly it's WW3.
:bounce:bounce
Baja Wes ·
rice_girl wrote:I am yet to see an SR that has reached it's power potential.
How about this one...
and another one...
Yep the SR20 will throw rods with the best of them. So there you go, now you've seen some that have reached their power potential, and exceeded it.
rice_girl ·
lol ouch! poor sr :o
Unfortunately broken car components is just apart of the game to the power chasers. Something good I always try and remember is: HP cost money, how fast can you afford to go.
To clarify, what I meant was I have never witnessed an SR where the owner has run out of modification options to enhance it's performance. Sheesh, I certainly will never reach it (when I start doing my car up) but for every day driving it will be all the power I will need. I'm not interested in 8/9/10 second cars and to be honest I don't know or care to know much about them. I just want my car to be as reliable as can be and to me SR is a safe option.
I never said the CA engine was crap, it's a matter of opinion and it should be left as such, people say good and bad things about either engine is what I was trying to get at. At the end of the day it's a Nissan, and they are still way ahead of the rest.
I get the feeling that what I say is not respected anywhere on this forum as all anyone wants to do is argue my *OPINIONS*, possibly because I am a girl and what could a girl know about cars...who knows. I'm no expert, but I do live, breath and drive S13 so I felt I could finally contribute something back.
In future I will refrain from comment on anything "tech" as I am so frustrated that some people on here don't respect other people's opinions, they just want to fight! :vader
pyr0 ·
no ones mentioned an fj20 yet :duh
Biggus ·
rice_girl wrote:I never said the CA engine was crap, it's a matter of opinion and it should be left as such, people say good and bad things about either engine is what I was trying to get at. At the end of the day it's a Nissan, and they are still way ahead of the rest.
I get the feeling that what I say is not respected anywhere on this forum as all anyone wants to do is argue my *OPINIONS*, possibly because I am a girl and what could a girl know about cars...who knows. I'm no expert, but I do live, breath and drive S13 so I felt I could finally contribute something back.
I apologise, rice_girl, for making you think I was having a go at you. I was having a go at this misguided opinion that you get with every second S13 devotee that the CA is inherently weak. Over at the silvia forums, these sorts of threads turn into 19 page arguments.
My reaction was to those opinions. If they're not your opinions, then you shouldn't be offended. If they are, then support them with evidence.
This thread exists because someone wanted to put an SR20 in a beetle, and it turned into a thread about other nissan engines. Maybe we should get back on topic.
Now, as to the FJ20, I'd guess that it is too big or too heavy. Anyone got an FJ and a measuring tape?
71superbug ·
ok. back to the topic. how about a ca18det into a beetle? (streetable of course)
Anthony
pete wood ·
Baja Wes wrote:
rice_girl wrote:I am yet to see an SR that has reached it's power potential.
How about this one...
and another one...
Yep the SR20 will throw rods with the best of them. So there you go, now you've seen some that have reached their power potential, and exceeded it.