Oops!......We goofed!

Just removed the bogged up rear apron to replace it and the exhaust system. lifted the new German muffler to what was thought to be a 1500 cc engine in a '69 Type 1 Beetle...
Humm....it doesn't fit!....I did the Search on engine numbers in the old posts and ....:cussing....so I checked the engine number D 1086665 . it would appear to be off a '73 Bug...( Not Happy Jan!)....
The question is....is this a 1500 or 1600 engine...I'm a little dumb when reading the info and it's not all that clear....( well I did try to sort this out as best I could.)

Jon

have got engine numbers handy but it is not a 73 motor

a 73 would be an AD or A# - as in A-something

The muffler "should" fit if it is a 13,15 or 1600. They all had 69 cranks and are the same width.

It is one of 3 things

a) It is crap brazilian and needs to be tought to fit

b) If it is way to wide then "maybe" you actually have a 1200 in there as they had a 64 crank and were not as wide. The 1200 muffler wont fit a 1300-1600 donk

c) You have bought a 1200 muffler

Someone will tell you what that engine # is


hmmm - just checked Idiot Guide and the only reference to a DXXXXXXXX is a REALLY early 1600 - the "the old 34hp 1600"

H XXXXX was 1500
then B XXXXXX was the first 1600 then in Aug 1970 it said D XXXXX "the old 34hp 1600" - this wa followed by the AB XXXXX

Hmmmmm - anyway - sounds now to me you have an A) or C) situation

Thanks for the reply...as you can see below is a pic of the problem, also engine number is definately D 1086665 . German muffler not Brazillian,.... bugger!..she's a wee bit too wide.
I might get back onto Mick's Parts and change it over. I'd like to be able to tell him what engine this is before I do that tho'..might save me having the same problem again.....being stuck up in the bush has some drawbacks....

Jon

looks like a 1200 muffler if not measure between the top studs and have this with you when taking it back to micks

According to Tom Wilson's 'How to Rebuild Your Volkswagen Aircooled Engine' the only engine numbers beginning with D are after market replacement cases which are "sometimes" 40HP parts

Just measured the top studs.

C-C 505mm.....does that mean anything?....

The previous owner had told me the engine was in the car when he bought it and couldn't tell me what it was... this is getting interesting....a replacement engine?... wonder why it has that prefix in the engine number lists tho'.

Below are some numbers I gleened off the list from the "Search".......as you can see it doesn't actually say what the size is...the 1200 appears to have a DO prefix

Jon

Aug. 1971 112 2000 001 DO 836 000 1200 34 hp
--------------------------------AB 0 360 001 1300 44 hp
--------------------------------AD 0 360 025 1600 48 hp
--------------------------------AE 0 558 001 1600 48 hp
--------------------------------AH 0 000 001 1600 48 hp
July 1972 112 3200 000 D 1 000 000
---------------------------------AB 0 699 001
---------------------------------AD 0 598 001
---------------------------------AE 0 917 063
---------------------------------AH 0 006 900
Aug. 1972 113 2000 001 D 1 000 001
----------------------------------AB 0 699 002
----------------------------------AD 0 598 002 1600 50 hp
----------------------------------AE 0 917 264
----------------------------------AF 0 000 802 1600 46 hp
----------------------------------AH 0 005 901

[Edited on 5-1-2005 by JeepDraw]

[Edited on 5-1-2005 by JeepDraw]

well 1200 is 480 across the studs just measured a muffller off of my old 1200

ok - Option a) is the answer

at a rough measure my 1300 is about 520 across the studs , must be a bitser

Bugger!....it does sound like a bitser....I'll check with Mick on the blower today, see if he has a muffler that fits, if not, then Option (a) could be the answer, if that's the case then it's time to get the hacksaw and mig earning their keep....

The muffler I removed was attached to some hybrid extractors...I'll check that too to see if it's been "rearranged" to fit.

Thanks fellas.....appreciate your replies....

Cheers
Jon

OK. here's the latest....

It's a 1200cc engine...when I asked the boys to measure up his studs what was actually measured was the holes in the extractors that came off the engine, Ahh...... but I found out this morning when I went to the shed... the attaching plates rotate., so his measurement of 505mm was way off, it's actually 480mm. and that conforms to the measurement given by Pod...

well 1200 is 480 across the studs just measured a muffller off of my old 1200

Sorry about the mistake....all sorted out now, although the lad is a bit dissapointed it's only a 1200 and not the 1500 it was supposed to be....
Cheers
Jon