I do realize that to Moderate all threads on this forum would be a huge task. I remember last time there was talk of not having the 4 sale and wanted sections because of the problems, this would of been a sad day.
so has it come to the stage of "your on your own" in these sections ?
the way some threads end up makes me think some people would go through a trading post paper and ring up a seller and tell them "you've got to be joking"...
like I said at the start that it is a huge job looking after the forum and I'm very happy its on line but can some one of the Moderators let us know if the this is how its going to be.
can people just bag buyers or sellers even if it looks like their not interested in the item ?
...I hope this makes sence:P
I guess I'm after a Moderaters awnser.
very greatfull of this forum
Rob
Gibbo ·
Yep, Im with you, if you dont want the item, dont comment.
vanderaj ·
It's true that it's hard to review every thread - there are more than 200 every day, and around a thousand new posts.
We can't do much without the assistance of our members - if there's a problem with a post, please use the "Report" button. This will report the post to the forum's moderators and the admins like me.
We'll review it and take appropriate action.
Andrew
Gibbo ·
You guys do a very good job, its a huge task.
Cheers!
:beer
robnjo ·
no worries, thanks :beer
waltermitty ·
Just a thought , would it be the go to make the for sales, seller post only , that is no replies buy buyers to the original thread? and then any questions could be sent U2U and answered answered via U2U ? per haps questions and replies could appear attached to the post but only the original seller could add to the thread?
Dont know if this is feasable sensible or possible just throwing it out there.
It seems that the very vast majority of replies to original threads are trivial or unnessesary and genuine buyers should not be dissadvantaged by needing to approach the seller via U2U or phone if the seller supplies details?
Mitchl
[Edited on 26-1-2005 by waltermitty]
buzzbug ·
i have never noticed the report button before,
thats a good idea.
BenettonVW ·
It is a drama.. no denying it. But they are usually repeat offenders, and continue to skate a thin line..
Mitchells idea is one that will be considered and persued. Each thread to be closed, and questions U2U'd to the seller. If they are legit, maybe the answers could be posted again by the seller, eg. eBay.
vanderaj ·
Poster only permissions are possible. However, this significantly changes the style of the place. I'd have to take the other mod's opinions before putting it into action.
Andrew
BenettonVW ·
But I am assuming it is possible for only one section? (Or two, if you include Cars & Parts)
kroozzn63 ·
yeah thats an idea "ive experienced someone bagging a product that im selling "wasnt happy JAN
twoguns ·
having a 'no post' buy/sell would also remove teh 'first in' option... dont know what peoples thoughts are on it. ive always thought it a good thing, if people abiding are/were fair, but saying this i know first hand its not always the case.
BenettonVW ·
Thats part of the sacrifice made by people running their mouth off..
Yep, one rotten apple spoils the barrel.
Guess it becomes the discretion of the seller then...
Dannyboy ·
..... you don't win friends with salad , you don't win friends with salad , you don't win friends with salad, you don't win frinends with salad....
Dan:P
Dannyboy ·
Sorry buzzbug got me going! Get with the beat baggy! You don't win friends with salad , you don't win friends with salad...........
Dan:P
StenGuns ·
Comments detracting from a sale item ie; The photo has been photoshopped.. or thats not worth the money.. Are an annoyance and should be discouraged.. I wouldn't want my chances of selling something (Its happened) that was a genuine offer.. being corrupted by an unwelcome comment.. HOWEVER.......................
In the "no reply to post" suggested environment.. What would happen if I put up for sale an item that was falsely described.. or way over the market price.. or had history with another AVD member.. In the new world there would be no right of response from anyone.
So we are now in a world of "caveat emptor" and the buyer has to take all the risk without advice from other forum members..
I have noticed a surge in membership from new dubbers to the forum... They often want advice on buying a dub..
If I was to fire up a quick ad that offered shit deals on dubs.. In the new world, the older and experienced dubbers would be gagged from offering a word of caution to the inxeperienced.. The "caveat emptor" world is a cold and unforgiving place to be..
And now we have lost the beautiful VW culture from our forum.. we are left with the cold harsh commercial reality.. Question could then be asked as to the reason for the forum in the 1st place..
Personally I love it when I post a buy request and someone replies with.. "don't buy that.. they are half the price up the road"..
Rob
[Edited on 26-1-2005 by StenGuns]
hellbugged ·
twoguns wrote:having a 'no post' buy/sell would also remove teh 'first in' option... dont know what peoples thoughts are on it. ive always thought it a good thing, if people abiding are/were fair, but saying this i know first hand its not always the case.
now i wouldn,t normally comment on these types of posts, but first dibs seems a bit of a crock any way. i've seen a couple of posts where first dib sales have fallen through and in the mean time genuine buyers have committed funds elsewhere (having missed out) and cosequently missed out when the post suddenly appears again weeks after the supposed sale. some times i avoid posting and go straight thru u2u , and later some body types "u2u sent". how do real buyers know wether contact has been made or if their just stalling..etc....i definetly agree that the sensless bagging of "for sales" is stupid and unnecesary and noticed its been getting out of hand. and im not bagging two guns here i just used his quote because it reflected what my 2 cents worth was about.
bugeyedbabe ·
my 2 cents...
I think ur right, bagging someone who is selling something is hard. But if it was left to u2u would that end up being more personal, or would they stop??
Perhaps if someone is getting bagged, those of us who disagree with the bagging should tell the other person to stop, as a matter of courtesy for the seller?
Surely there are more people who disagree with adlib bagging, than those who are doing it.
In addition, even if ppl are bagging, surely it makes that person look silly as apposed to the seller (and no I am not condoning it ) but if I were a seller, I'd rather everyone got to see what a fool the person bagging the product was, as apposed to just having the person quietly bringing me down in u2u.
But honestly, perhaps if we just report it, it will reduce.
d4 getting off soap box now.
cheers
d4
57kombi ·
I agree with stenguns.
I have recently made comments about someone selling a split, The seller has only ever posted anything in the for sale section and has never contributed anything to any onther post.
The reason I made the comment was because there have been quite a few new members who have been posting that they would like to buy a split kombi and have admited that they dont know anything about them.
The split advertised is so obviously over priced, I am worried that a new member might buy it and then realise that they made a big mistake and then leave the scene.
Now some might say that it is non of my business but I believe the forum was started so we could help each other and letting people get ripped off is not doing that.
I am asking for guidance from other members and moderators on " did I do the right thing"
Cheers
Dave
rice_girl ·
The first place I come to get price advice on anything associated with VW is this forum.
Before I joined AVD I bought a part out of the trading post and then mentioned something about the price here, only to be told I was taken for a ride around the block A FEW times.
If someone is selling something that is grossly overpriced or has given the wrong information then I would want to warn someone about it. Not that I know jack sh*t about anthing VW but if it was something I knew alot about I would be the first one to say, hey mate, that's not right.
As long as it's done politely then that is all that matters.
ClassicVW(pacific) ·
Is this thread directed at you DAVE ???
Suely the whole point of a forum is to have your say, if someone gets upset by that, then they should not post or give as much back.
When I first started this business in October I was getting slagged off every day from some forum members, although I had been a member for a year prior, but it didn't bother me and gave as much back, I certainly do not hold grudges.
As I remember Dave was the one of the many warning people 'buyer beware'. Now I get a fair bit of praise from him, where did you get that delux trim from???
It adds to the fun of having a forum if someone can add thier 2 cents worth without being regulated or censored, otherwise it would get rather dull and boring.
The forum should be like we are all sitting round the table in the local pub, having a discussion. Most things written on here are only what would be said around the pub table, however due to you not seeing facial expressions, certain things may be taken out of context.
I placed my Splitty for sale and it turned into a running thread of totally un-related subjects, do I care? not a Jot.
However if something is said thats not appreciated then thats what the "report" button is for.
Thats only my opinion, for what its worth anyway.
[Edited on 26-1-2005 by ClassicVW(pacific)]
bugboymatt ·
"The forum should be like we are all sitting round the table in the local pub, having a discussion. Most things written on here are only what would be said around the pub table, however due to you not seeing facial expressions, certain things may be taken out of context".
Here here, get the beers in !!!!!!
Che Castro ·
I think if someoen has a negative comment they should leave it out. There seem to be a lot of grudges on the forum between some people.
The reason I and a few other forum members were a bit cynical about you classicvw(pacific) is that you just came on the forum and advertised yourself as your first post. I mean this is an internet forum and I'm pretty cynical of people just coming on and advertising. It would have been different if you had established yourself already and mentioned it. No hard feelings, I just felt it may have not been the best way to start on the forum. No hard feelings 🙂
ClassicVW(pacific) ·
Oh here we go again :-(
Definately no hard feelings from here either, most of the people were genuinely scepticle when they saw me selling items at half the price they were buying them for, I would be scepticle too.
What I was trying to say above was that some of the things said were very hurtful argh!!! and I may have been easily offended, but I wasn't and it kept my posts up in the top flight, so whos complaining :beer
57kombi ·
Thanks Roy.
I think.
I comment on what I want to, I do not slagg people off,
What I say on this Forum I would say to peoples faces.
I have just had a U2U from Kombi Kid, a moderator, stating that everyone is tired of my negative comments towards other peoples splitties.
As far as I can remember I have encoraged people to get them on the road, I have given advise when asked and even given parts to people at no charge.
Yes I am vocal but that is me, what I type is what you get in person.
I have only ever stated that I dont like converted panel vans .
That is my opinion and I stick to that.
I am not changing my opinion for anyone, that is what the nazis tried to do.
Bit harsh I know but a forum is for people to comment and express them selves.
All I have ever done is try to advise people on the value of splits, if you remember Kombi Kid, you tried to buy a split off E-bay that had rust in the dash for $10K and the seller would not let you see it until you paid your money.
I advised that it was worth about $2K and others agreed with me.
I do not think I know everything about splits but I will try and help those that know less than me by advising them.
Kombi , you also state that I should keep my 20cents worth to myself, so you dont think its wrong if a newbie buys something for a hell of a lot more than its worth.
If people advertise for free on a forum they open themselves up for comments be good or bad, that is the risk they take.
I remember when you first came to this forum you asked for advice, imagine if no one gave you any, would you still be here.
My rant over, it seems that members dont mind comments being made but moderators do.
Cheers
Dave
ClassicVW(pacific) ·
24 posts and over 300 views in one day, that says it all, people like to let off steam, have a bich (in the nicest sense of the word) how many heated discussions has anyone had in a pub (hey I'm not an alcaholic by the way)
Some threads are even started to get the discussions started, its great, if everyone was nice to each other and lovey lovey, it would be bland.
If I put on a post asking for a 23 window split in excellent condition, for less than $500 I expect to get ripped
ClassicVW(pacific) ·
by the way, excellent forum, run well, excellent people, love you all.
Cheers
Roy
wibble ·
Love is in the air!😘kiss
57kombi ·
Posts like these always get the most comments and views,
Is it because we can only think of so much to talk about volksies and would like a change.
Problem is too many take it to heart and it will get deleted soon.
Cheers
Dave
bugeyedbabe ·
Okay,
I just want to say for the record, I know I have seen Dave bag some ppl, or more the item they have for sale, but I have also seen him encourage ppl.
I knwo when I first came I needed help, and ppl like him, herbie and bronze were the ones offering advice on what to look for.
I have read heaps of stuff here, and think he knows at least a little something about the cars we have. And even if he is a little neg sometimes, mostly he is okay.
And if he is mean to someone, just tell him to bug off. I'm sure he won't take it personally. I am sure he understand that some critisisms can cut close..too close.
But if u hate confrontations, just report him.
And for the record I do love ya dave...u make things interesting. I also love ur ride. But if u hassel me...EVER....I'll report ya!
57kombi ·
And so I should think so.
Some people dont get my sense of humour, but thats alright it takes all people.
What I cant stand is everyone only posting to please others I mean why not tell the truth, some dont like it but if you feel that way why change just because some might not like it.
I can remember a post a few months ago that started " only positive comments allowed" WTF, if you post something you are putting it out to be viewed and accept the comments good or bad.
I speak my mind, there used to be a few more like me on here but they have left or only post every now and then, that is why I think that confrontational posts get the most views and comments, it livens the place up a bit .
And this means that if you dont agree with me , I dont care it doesnt upset me as you have your own opinions.
Anyway, I hope you all have a nice day and all win the lottery this weekend, as I will not enter it .
I will win it myself the following week.(more for me that way)
Cheers
Dave
62deluxe ·
Well you do have a point there. You sure make for interesting reading!!😉
Sometimes it's a bit hard to hear your sarcastic tone through the screen but shit happens.
Ah hugs and kisses for all........:kiss
Now F*#% off and find a Holden forum!! LOL.😉
As for the buy and sell I think leave it alone, people just need to not post if they aren't genuinely interested in the item. It's not the place for chit chat....
anyway I'm goona go have a :beer or:beer:beer
57kombi ·
Still reckon you meet a better class of people driving a EK Holden!!!!!!!!!:P😉😉😉😉:thumb:thumb:thumb:thumb:thumb:thumb
Cheers
Dave
62deluxe ·
That goes without saying........
VDUBXTC ·
57kombi wrote:I can remember a post a few months ago that started " only positive comments allowed" WTF, if you post something you are putting it out to be viewed and accept the comments good or bad.
Dave
yeah that would have been my second post on bens oval, which both have now been deleted. due to small pathetic remarks from 2 people who continued on and on.
If someone asks for not negative comments then you should respect there wishes.
you in your case dave, and not having a dig at you. would take one look at the thread and say ohh gee look another boring thread.
Then go about your bussiness looking at other threads that would interest you.
BUt no we would preffer to stop take a quick look and go fuck this i will stir up some shit to spark some interest into the thread.
now that thread was posted about a friends car and not my own. it would have rolled off my back if it was my own car knowing a lot of you guys. but this was a car belonging to a friend that shows an interest in vw's but doesn't like to show his car off because he doesn't like people putting shit on his work.
I mad the thread to get some good feedback for him on the car and try to convince him to bring it to the nats.
but the hole thing back fired because no one could respect someones wishes.
anyways :blah:blah:blah:blah.
have a good day or night what ever it is you are having. :kiss
57kombi ·
Manx.
No dig intended at you.
I try not to have a go at people personally.
We all have differant opinions, that is what makes the world go round, that is why this post has gone on for a while, had loads of comments and lots of views.
You see I dont agree with you regarding asking for positive comments only.
This is my view, you put up a post on a site that is visited by a lot of people, the old saying " you cant please all of the people all of the time" means some wont like what others do.
I didnt mind the bug, what I did not like was being told If I didnt like it I could not say that, you were infact wanting to censor peoples views, that I dont agree with
Some dont like my bus, shit there are parts of my bus I dont like, I dont mind if you say it because the way I see it is we are all allowed our opinions.
Cheers
Dave
VDUBXTC ·
I know there will always be neagative comments.
And to me i don't mind them. helps me to fix the probs with things.
That is why i had 2 posts of the same thing, but one had please no negative feedback. and the other was just open slate.
But it attracted more unwanted feedback to the no negative feedback post than i wished.
I knew there would be 1 or 2 that would post there. just to be a pain, but when it got to 7 was when i pulled the plug on the hole thing.
I was trying to attrack another nice bug into the vw scene but i have given up on it.
I just sit back and dish it out now too:P
57kombi ·
I think the reason you got the comments was because you asked not to get them.
People are strange and most dont like being told what to do.
This has been great because we are all giving our opinions in an adult manner and not making personal attacks.
To me that is what a forum should be about.
Makes a change from looking at rusted out pieces of crap in the for sale section.😉😉😉:thumb.
Cheers
Dave
HotRodMatt ·
I still think the majority of thumbs down replies to ads are because of people not following the rules.
Roy from ClassicVW (Pacific) got a flogging over this. Good thing too as a business has even more responsibilities when advertising than does an individual. He got his act together, complied and now no one gives him a hard time. Hell, looks like heaps of people are buying from him.
People who can't read and abide by the rules for buying and selling (ie. no name, phone, suburb, postcode, and a good description) deserve their post taken down.
As for the paranoid who don't want their phone number as a requirement delete the post - they can't want to sell it too badly if they don't want a call! Not everyone who sees the posts is a member or wants to be a member and some people simply don't want to go thru the back an forth u2u when a 2 minute call could close the deal.
Those posts where obvious mis-description has occured should attract comments. If they can't answer the complaints of people who have looked at it and found it not as described then all will know to avoid it.
Discussion about the listed items will always occur. To my mind that is a bonus to the poster as it keeps it up with the current listings.
VDUBXTC ·
I don't mind the odd bit of unbiast advise, but i am not one for personal attacks.😉
waltermitty ·
Now having given my idea some thought and more especially having read the comments I agree that it would be a terrible price to pay not posting I dont particularly mind trivia posts and especially enjoy some ( Dave you are a cracker) . The REPORT bBUTTON needs to be in red! and eeveryone needs to chill a bit. Mitchl
57kombi ·
I even think that this post might not get deleted.
we are actually agreeing that we are differant
Will make a change ,
Mitch, any pics of the bumpers, have you had then chromed yet.
How do they look.
I have been toying with the idea of getting mine done
Cheers
Dave
winerot ·
have a look at this sh*tbox this bloke called winerot bought
what a d*ckhead to pay so much for a rust bucket, if he wants
to buy anymore crap i will sell him anything for top $
he thinks he can get it restored & make it look good ha ha ha
hes not an enthusioust he's a Vigorous Wanker.
oops im bagging myself😊blush😊blush
winerot ·
by the way speaking of chrome i have been thinking the same
chromed bumpers on this i think would look good any oppinions
if you can not bag yourself then your conceated
rice_girl ·
winerot, is that a car bra on your bay? Looks great, where did you get it from?
winerot ·
yeh i got it from america if you close you can see the aerial hole
on the drivers side so i put a split on the passenger side with
velcro, its a good fit & im going to put a vw badge in the aerial hole
works a treat but a hint never leave them on all the time as they
sweat & can damage the paint (on for a couple of weeks off for a
couple of weeks) my brother inlaw had one on hes bmw bike tank
for a couple of years & took it off, paint peeled off with it.
that colour paint stone chips really stand out
wally
ClassicVW(pacific) ·
We sell them here !!
twoguns ·
roy, do u hav bras for splitties, also?
ClassicVW(pacific) ·
Every VW model apart from splitty !
57kombi ·
sexist bastard.
Cheers
Dave
rice_girl ·
lol it's just so cute winerot
How much classicvw? 🙂
Might be wise investment when I get my kombi resprayed.
ClassicVW(pacific) ·
Dave never knew you cared................oh I see, sexist, I thought you put sexy !!!
ClassicVW(pacific) ·
$290 for a low indicater Kombi.
ClassicVW(pacific) ·
You see what a post like this does to Dave, he hasnt moved away from his computer.
You are feeding the beast !!!
57kombi ·
Roy, dont tease me!!!!
Wife still wants to know why I keep sending you money.
She cant tell what bits I have fitted so she wonders what its for.
Hey it this post has got to 3 pages and its not really about vw's
Cheers
Dave
twoguns ·
hmmm. s'pose any auto trimmer could make one, hey.
winerot ·
yes wise investment when primer is a light colour
i paid about that amount 3yrs ago for this one
the underside is a soft fluffy type material so it wont
scratch the paintwork (any auto trimmer)be careful
what they use it will rub, if i was to buy another i
would check with roy or similar
ps its a tight fit, better to leave in sun for ten or fifteen minutes
so the material will stretch easier to clip on
wally
robnjo ·
hahah, almost forgot the topic :blah
Rob😉
62deluxe ·
Don't chrome your bumpers 57k. It would look like S@#$. 😉
Seriously painted looks heaps better, dunno just think that chromed ones look a bit too Californian (ie tacky):thumb
Buggyboy ·
Wow every model, I havent seen a country buggy with one on before...:thumb
Ian Bugden ·
My 2c worth...
One of the things that sh#ts me about this forum is ppl having their hand too tight on themselves!!! What I mean is if there is a post in the for sales why do ppl have to reply "if I had the money I would buy it, best of luck". In my view if you don't have any intention to buy said item don't post.
Another saying that if have seen a lot of latley is "it would cost more than that to build one like it".... Well Duh, who can build a vw and still make money??? Of course if you have done this or that to the car you will not make the money back!
Opinions are like elbows, every has one and everyone is different!
I once posted a opinion in the chat section about ppl calling their car "restored" or not and instead of getting constructive feedback or a meaning full discussion I was told to go take some medication. That is why I have been a member for so long and done so few posts. Generally If somethings needs a comment I will but the majority of the time I just keep my thoughts silent. Also before people post a response to anothers post it may pay to read the actual post carefully beforehand to prevent meaningless dribble.
I will now disembark the soapbox and go play with a Honda (only kidding)
StenGuns ·
Love your work!~
robnjo ·
:jesus....still it goes on in that section, what dumb c#@t5