PETROL PRICES HAVE GONE FURTHER UP AGAIN!!!!

If anyone watched A Current Affair on Wednesday, you would have seen the story about the fuel prices going up again.

Apparently, WE SHOULD BE PAYING ONLY 50 cents/Litre!!!

But, due to the oil companies being greedy, it is going up again.

But you say, "Why don't the petrol bouser's decrease the price for us?"

Well, as much as the petrol bousers would like to, they are being pushed and even (you could call it) ransomed into doing so. [Too long to explain, but i'm sure there is a website for all the ACA stories, ninemsn or something that can show you what i am going on about.]

But, if you dont what to have to pay a fortune, it is all our duty as customers to push the Australian government [the big guys] during election time to promise action against this issue so they can push the oil companies to be fair. We must fight and complain till we get our 50c/litre. It is RIDICULOUS how much extra we have to pay.

Show your opinion now, and winge to the government!!!

[Please note, the reasons for the price hike is not due to the oil running out {cause its not a renewable resource}, its due to greed!!!]

Im not happy about it either, but we still pay the least amount for it in the developed world.....

N!

hey.. at least we don't have it as bad as in most countrys... besides US where it's cheaper then water.

The oil companies aren't the real bastards here. Sure they are more than likely taking a good gouge out of us but then again they have to build a huge capital resource for a switch to different energy sources in the next 10-50 years. It is going to cost a packet for them to start producing methane/methanol/bio fuels for which they are already starting to design new tooling and processing.

It is taxes and excises that make our prices what they are.

Fuel excise is a percentage levy. If the excise was a fixed cents per litre or capped at a certain level the prices would not hike like they do. Cummulatively on top of the excise are other taxes which are also percentage based.

These are all good facts. We do need to do something about it though.

IT IS QUITE A REDICTULOUS PRICE!!!

Don't belive everything you hear on ACA (or should that be anything?)
Get used to it, pettys gonna become a very scarce commodity in the years to come.

Get your foot off the gas - it's black gold
By Christopher Kremmer
April 2, 2005 Sydney Morning Herald.


What will cost $3 a litre, require car-pooling, the permanent military occupation of Iraq and oil drilling on the Great Barrier Reef? Petrol, according to experts who have been contemplating its future in an oil-poor Australia. In Sydney, it might mean a real estate crash and a long recession. These are some of the consequences, experts say, if Australia does not wean itself off a diminishing supply of fossil fuels.

World oil prices surged yesterday after a Goldman Sachs study warned of a possible "super spike" in prices to above $US100 a barrel. Last week the average price of fuel in Australia hit an all-time high of 106.4 cents a litre. Crude oil prices have risen 500 per cent since 1999. Last year the world used about 30 billion barrels of oil - the equivalent of draining Sydney Harbour 10 times - and consumption is growing as fast as the economies of China and India.

However, according to a growing consensus among politicians, oil industry analysts and environmentalists, supplies are reaching their peak - an event once thought to be decades away - and will soon rapidly decline. "It's very possible that 2005 will be the peak year," says Richard Heinberg, author of The Party's Over: Oil, War and the Future of Industrial Societies. "If you look at new production supposed to come online this year, it's only enough to make up for depletion, and probably won't be enough to compensate for added demand from places like China and India and the US."

It is a creeping drought that never ends. Last financial year, Australia recorded its lowest crude oil output in 20 years, with production falling 16 per cent on 2002-03. "The consumption of crude oil and condensate in 2003 could be sustained by remaining economic reserves for only 11.3 years," said Geoscience Australia. With its reserves dropping fast, Australia has becoming increasingly dependent on imports, most of them from the Middle East.

Heinberg believes the violence in that region has more to do with oil futures than weapons of mass destruction or terrorism. "We're going to see increasing militarism around the world, particularly US efforts to control oil-rich regions on the pretext of terrorism," he told the Herald.

Back at the bowser in Sydney, there'll be civilian casualties. Ali Samsam Bakhtiari, an executive with Iran's national oil company, warned a conference in Perth last year that petrol in Australia could hit $3 a litre within three years. Andrew Stoeckel, of the Centre for International Economics in Canberra, scoffs at this claim. "That forecast is not believable. When the oil price rises sharply, it dampens economic activity and chokes off the price rise," he said.

According to the CIA, world oil reserves will last for about another 35 years at current demand levels. But demand growth is outstripping new finds and eating into the future. In a world where virtually everything we consume depends on oil for its production or transport, the implications are considerable. Inflation and unemployment will grow; driving will be very costly.

Heinberg said suburban planning based on freeways - championed by the State Government - would be seen as folly. "In the future it's going to be very difficult for individual people to own and operate automobiles. The expense is just going to be too great so, people will need to rely on public transportation. If that's not there, it will mean immense hardship for huge segments of the population."


In the US, car makers have cut back production amid falling demand for the once desirable four-wheel-drives while Toyota has reported a 120 per cent increase in orders for its gas-electric Prius hybrid last year. Rising oil prices will also push up the cost of air travel. Aviation fuel has risen 28 per cent in price since January, shaving millions of airline profits.

The federal Industry Minister, Ian MacFarlane, said Australia's response was "a combination of increased exploration, new technologies and a re-balancing of the overall mix of fuels used in the country with the addition of renewable alternatives and gas".

One loser could be the environment. The Government's energy white paper last year made oil drilling on the Great Barrier Reef a priority, while the US Congress last month approved President George Bush's plan to allow oil exploration in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

Meanwhile, as the crisis looms, Australia is busily shipping what remains of our oil and gas overseas as fast as tankers can carry it. Recent deals worth tens of billions of dollars will give China and South Korea guaranteed access to output from the North West Shelf for up to 30 years. Americans, who consume a quarter of the world's oil output, are being told Australian gas is the answer.

"Chevron Texaco is working with governments and partner companies to secure the largest deposits of natural gas in Australia for shipment to the US," said an advertisement in the New Yorker this year. "A steady supply of cleaner fuel to light our homes and keep us warm? Sounds like a lot of g'days to come."

Unity-28 wrote:Im not happy about it either, but we still pay the least amount for it in the developed world.....

N!

Not so!
It is cheaper in US, Canada,China,Phillipines, Indonesia, to name a few..

Is it? I seen a post on another forum about a month ago, that we were the cheapest in the developed world (1st world country) But maybe its changed since!? Or maybe it was per average wage.......I cant remember! Maybe Cause I dont pay for fuel!

well i paid $1.069 this arvo when it was 10c dearer down my main st all for pension day tomorrow as fuel always goes up on a wednesday up here ready for the hard done by on there pay days🙁🙁🙁

my point of view is deal with it. items cost money to buy, and unless people don't need them, the companies will charge as much as possible make as much money as possible, its good business sense!!!!!

i do quotes all the time for jobs and if i can get an extra k out of a 10k job i will, if i can get an extra 40k out of a 1m job i will.

as oil reserves run low (and the increase in large populations of the sub continent and asia) the demand for oil will increase dramitcally, and be higher than previously predicted, therefore the oil reserves will last less and new reserves which would have made money in the future will be viable.

if you worried about paying for fuel, get a hybrid or a electric car!!!! you don't want to do this, live with the higher petrol prices.

sorry for my little rant......... just i hate people complaining about companies charging to much, but if you ran a shop, would you charge the least you could for your items( or even less than cost)? or the most and swhile still enough? i know which i would................

[Edited on 13-4-2005 by BiX]

We may be 'cheap' as you say but our quality of petrol is crap. Our premium unleaded(optimax, vortex, etc) is equivilent to third world countries petrol. It is ruining our cars.

BTW paid 118.9 this week:cussing

MOST other countrys... not all

[Edited on 13-4-05 by frenzix]

:vader thems there fightin words😉

oh ya bugger ya changed your post

[Edited on 13/4/2005 by Y2K]

haha it's only cause you have such great mileage

haha wot mileage it doesnt come out of the garage

Small coastal town about 20kms away from me currently has it priced at $1.56 per litre. I shit you not!

oh wow...so premium would be around $1.66 or more

The petrol price in the US has nearly doubled in the last few months according to a friend in Texas - but its still only about US70c/Lt.

Tassie has crap fuel prices.. i payed over $1.20 a litre the other day for premium... in the middle of Hobart!

*sigh* i don't want to have to drive some silly electric car! i love my VW and its put-putiness....

I paid $1.23 a litre for Optimax last week in Melbourne. Does that make you feel better?

fair enough to love your veedub and its dak-dak-dakiness... but petrol is going to keep going up, and rightfully so.
if in 50 years time you want our government to allow the usa to drill for oil in the barrier reef, then keep complaining that petrol is too expensive.
if you would like to keep such a beautiful natural wonder safe for future generations, then put up with it and dont complain.
dont kid yourself that they wont do it, they have been known to blatantly disregard any environmental protection act just to get prehistoric fish sludge to run their v8's.

ive got a pretty good idea... why not catch public transport? thats what its there for and in a few years time you will have no choice, so why not get used to it now? just like hotrodmatt said, they have to charge now so they will have the money to develop the energy of the future, not to mention a complete overhaul of the transport infrastructure... we arent really going to be needing such huge roads when we arent using cars in the future!!
im really looking forward to only being able to afford to drive my bug once a week ($3/L fuel will do that you know) it means that its going to stay beautiful longer!
better still, get a bike. ive saved a packet these past few months by taking public transport, walking or riding my bike. makes you healthier too

yeah, its pretty crap.

Does anyone know where you can get a good electric engine that pumps out the same power as a combustion?

[Unfortunately, if I do get one, the engine will never be able to scream or growl again]

Anyway, if we rely on electricity, then that would put more pressure on the Coal power plants of Australia, and then they would charge heaps for electricity as coal runs out, and then what?

WE ARE SCREWED AS A HUMAN RACE!!!
(We depend so much on coal, oil, electricity, and it could all run out in the next half century.)

Actually, when you think of it. This is going to be quite beneficial to our planet in a health sense, (and for us, when it comes to riding a bike).

Anyway, its up to us, our society, its physicists, Engineers, etc. to formulate a plan, and for all handiman to implement it. It would be a world project that would congrigate all nations in the globe together to fix an international problem.

[I wonder if the world would develope the nuclear fusion engine. Its an easy concept, HIGHLY powerful, uses steam, but not too environmentally friendly when it comes to the products formed]

The problem with the hydrogen engine is that it can so easily blow up, (due to it being such a flamable gas) and can easily escape due to the hydrogen atoms being so small (They can even excape through tight seals). But it is clean, however, takes a crap load of electricity to obtain from water. GOOD IDEA THOUGH!

(Except for when countries get really desperate for oil and start having a war to get it) Hopefully we do not see that.

Anyway, we will see what is to come.

Is it true that in QLD petrol is subsidised by the state government? On average I'd pay around 0.94c for premium, when I was in NSW last month I was paying over the $1 every time I filled up, When I was in Port M I paid $1.42!!!

Yep ain`t it grand to leave in the sunshine state :thumb

what makes you think that the energy companies dont already have the plans for coal-free power?
they invented the water powered car decades ago (basically a hydrogen engine)... if they worked on upping the efficiency of solar power, then we wouldnt have any gripes for millions of years to come.

i think you are talking about nuclear fission... nuclear fusion is super environmentally friendly (whats a bit more iron between friends? or carbon?) but as yet they have not worked out how to produce cold fusion... the whole problem with starting a fusion reaction is that you need the energy from a fission reaction to start it, and its the biproducts of fission that are the biggest worry.... once a fusion reaction has started, its pretty much totally self sustaining.

geothermal energy, solar energy, wind energy, hydro energy, nuclear energy... even sticking massive sun sails in near earth orbit and transfering energy down via huge sheilded cables... we have so many options to power our world when the prehistoric fish have all been used up... the only thing we will need oil for is plastics, and thats already getting phased out and technology has advanced so much with materials science that we probably wont even need it for that!

dont forget how nice the air is going to be without all that icky smog everywhere... no more petrol fumes in your lungs!

And less global dimming....

Yeah i think QLD petrol is subsidised by about 10cents...

the price goes up when you go down to coffs and etc cause its a half way point from brissy suppliers and sydney suppliers

go starbug...your a legend who knows her stuff:thumb

and what happened to the water powered engine,the petrol companies bought it and put it out of its misery:vader,they didnt want to loose business

hehe but i thought most people on here hates watercooled cars😀😉

prob the losing business thing

Please for the love of God, DO NOT take out your frustration and anger out on the checkout/customer service person! IT PISSES ME OFF! Even managers have NO SAY WHATSOEVER in thier price usually, so whineing to them won't help either. Nearly all petrol stations make very little on the fuel itself. Maybe 2-3 cents if they're lucky. Go back 20 years or so and most petrol stations had lots of automotive related items and not so big store areas, now the supermarket style is the only way to make money.

The oil price is only one of three major and many minor factors involved in the price of fuel. The US dollar to Aus is also another factor as well as the Singapore spot price.

my "other" car runs LPG and around here at the time of our tassy trip were paying 50c per litre.. got to melbourne.. 35c per litre.. got to tassy devonport 65c per litre... hobart about the same .. then came strahan.. $1.40 per LITRE OF GAS!!! WTF i cried , cause i don't look at the prices usually.. got to the till and he asked for like $100 .. crazy.. sorry back to the topic

yeah i filled the oval up the other day wif premium and when i got to the top of the tank i looked at da price and it said over $40..
WHAT! over 40 smackers in a little old beetle 😠
the world is going crazy! :duh

haha, it's like that when i drive the 58 beetle too.

i remember my dad filling up his old v8 chrysler regal and crying poor when it came to $40.. i thought the world was going to end then.

Boozer wrote:Please for the love of God, DO NOT take out your frustration and anger out on the checkout/customer service person! IT PISSES ME OFF! Even managers have NO SAY WHATSOEVER in thier price usually, so whineing to them won't help either. Nearly all petrol stations make very little on the fuel itself. Maybe 2-3 cents if they're lucky. Go back 20 years or so and most petrol stations had lots of automotive related items and not so big store areas, now the supermarket style is the only way to make money.

The oil price is only one of three major and many minor factors involved in the price of fuel. The US dollar to Aus is also another factor as well as the Singapore spot price.

Hey you are spot on Boozer.

I am sick to death of all this why is the price so exspensive?, when is the price comming down?, you guys are blood sucking pigs, you're just gready C%#ts.

Do me a favour, when you come into a servo and you feel like having a winge about it, keep your mouths shut till you get back in your cars and drive off.
For the last week and a half our sites have been paying $1.17per litre for ulp fuel and been selling it between 106.9 and 109.9 for ULP.
we had a delivery at a cost of 1.23 per litre tonight and we were selling it at 1.14 a litre and still people seem to think its the servo's ripping you off.
a service station makes its money from instore sales only. very rarely does it make anything off the fuel, its just there as a service for you, so it draws you in to buy products in store.

ok i have had my little spit now and i feel better.

even bus fares for kids to get to school have gone up.$2.40 each way and for me to get a bus to work its 2 buses and @4.10 each way.one bus and the other is @2.20 when i had my first car it was about 23lt for fuel and even rego was $112 a year,,,its amazing how things keep going up but wages dont..cost $1800yr for rates,,smokes were 53cents a pkt back then now what $10,,,GST was suppose to help us ,,my butt it is,,its cheaper to drive to work than to get public transport for me,,our country isnt the free and easy country any more,,.colleen

I heard something on the radio this morning about the price going down about 7c a litre within the week ? I wonder if that was for real or just a fantasy ????

I have saved stacks of money as I drive my work car as much as possible and let them pay the bill !!!!!

pod, it is true that the oil companies have bought out all the plans for water-powered engines, but thats just so that they will have the monopoly on engine design when their current money maker runs out.
im sure there are some physics/engineering departments in many universities around the globe that have secretely built their own water powered engines, so lets hope the monopoly isnt going to be so one-sided this time around!

just an aside: my sister and i were talking about doofs the other day (big festivals in the bush for 3 days with loud music!) and we found it amusing to point out how many supposedly hardcore environmentally outspoken hippies drive kombis.
last time i looked, the kombi was a gas guzzling pollution producer just like the rest of our oldskool veedubs... wouldnt it be more environmentally friendly to buy a corolla?

much as i would love to take my cherry to a doof when shes fixed up, i dont think i'll ever be able to afford the price of petrol brisbane-melbourne and back, not to mention the damage to the undercarriage and suspension from all those rocks and potholes...

sorry that was a bit off topic

nah melbourne roads are ok, the sydney ones are bad, twas down their at the Nats. One more day and i would have driven bug off the harbour bridge:puke

manx_xtc wrote:

Boozer wrote:Please for the love of God, DO NOT take out your frustration and anger out on the checkout/customer service person! IT PISSES ME OFF! Even managers have NO SAY WHATSOEVER in thier price usually, so whineing to them won't help either. Nearly all petrol stations make very little on the fuel itself. Maybe 2-3 cents if they're lucky. Go back 20 years or so and most petrol stations had lots of automotive related items and not so big store areas, now the supermarket style is the only way to make money.

The oil price is only one of three major and many minor factors involved in the price of fuel. The US dollar to Aus is also another factor as well as the Singapore spot price.

Hey you are spot on Boozer.

I am sick to death of all this why is the price so exspensive?, when is the price comming down?, you guys are blood sucking pigs, you're just gready C%#ts.

Do me a favour, when you come into a servo and you feel like having a winge about it, keep your mouths shut till you get back in your cars and drive off.
For the last week and a half our sites have been paying $1.17per litre for ulp fuel and been selling it between 106.9 and 109.9 for ULP.
we had a delivery at a cost of 1.23 per litre tonight and we were selling it at 1.14 a litre and still people seem to think its the servo's ripping you off.
a service station makes its money from instore sales only. very rarely does it make anything off the fuel, its just there as a service for you, so it draws you in to buy products in store.

ok i have had my little spit now and i feel better.

Thankyou. As I said there, I don't know when the price is going down or up untill we get a phone call or the competition goes up or down. Crying to me will just unleash the WRATH OF ME! Everyone start producing ethanol and convert over to it (I have the website instructions) and stop being big babies.

OK, for those that dont know me so well, I am an Engineer and I work for BP at their Perth Refinery, so I have a rough idea about fuel specs and pricing arguments etc.

Firstly, to set the record straight on a few mistruths in this thread;

1) - Y2K - Perth's fuel specs are equal to the European 2003 specs, and almost equal to California's CARBGAS spec (the strictest fuel spec in the world). The rest of Australia is not far behind perth (perth specs are so strict as we depend on groundwater, thus cannot tolerate things like MTBE and other oxygenates in fuel because of the contamination risk). Thus your comment that 'our quality of petrol is crap, and our premium grade equivalent to third world petrol' is incorrect, and ill informed. Sure, our premium grades (BP Ultimate 98, Shell Optimax (98 RON) and Caltex Vortex) are not quite the Japanese 102 - 104 RON fuels, but in terms of quality, what come out of the refineries here is as good as you will get anywhere on earth. What the individual servo's do with their tanks can be a whole other matter though........ it is not unheard of for them to mix and match, thin out fuels with Toluene, Ethanol or other such liquids. This is not a reflection on the oil companies, as very few of the servo's are actually owned and run by the parent oil company - most are franchises.

2) Our fuel prices are the second cheapest in the developed world. Only the US is cheaper. Places like the Phillipines, Indonesia etc can afford to sell their fuel cheaper as they dont have as strict a fuel spec - ie, WA diesel must meet 50parts per million sulfur by 2006, the Phillipines / Indonesia / Sth Africa etc are all still on 5000 ppm. The more stringent a fuel spec (higher RON, MON, lower Sulfur, lower Benzene, restricted oxygenates etc), the more it costs us as a refinery to make.

3) 50c / L is a joke. We had it once, but dont ever expect to see it again. A little maths for you all - 1BBL of oil, at $57 US = ~$80 AUS for 115L of oil. Thus, the price of oil is currently $0.69 / L. Sixty Nine cents per liter for oil, and you think we can then refine it and get it to the public for 50c per liter ? How ? It costs us over $100million a year in costs just to keep our refinery running and operating. We spend over $2 billion a year to buy enough crude to meet our supply contracts - we make about 5% profit on this, at the refinery end.

Boozer has the right of it - in short, our fuel prices are set by a market parity principle, which is primarily dependant on US / AUS exchange rate (because all crude trades are done in $US), price of oil (obviously) and then the Singapore spot price + freight (as Singapore is the closest other option (ie import)).

Keep in mind that Freight costs have gone up about 100% in the last 4 years since september 11, and most developed countries will now no longer allow single skin tankers - thus there has been a whole lot of new tankers built in the last 5 years to meet this. New tankers cost money, which is recouped through freight rates, and eventually through you and I, the end consumer.

The government then adds its 40 - 55c / L taxes and excise on top of whatever price is set.

In the end, all the oil companies are not there to provide a service to the public - they are there to make a $ for their shareholders. But dont think that they are gouging you. If anything, blame the terrorists and the skittish crude traders that have pushed global oil prices from $25 / BBL to $57 / BBL in two years flat. Then save some blame for OPEC for wishing to keep prices there. And finally just a little blame for the Chinese, who now that they have discovered capitalism have decided to grow their oil and gas demand about 20 - 30% PER YEAR over the last couple, as well as buying all the worlds steel too...........

Its not a simple argument, nor is it a simple argument (for the average Joe Public) to properly inform yourself about, but in the end, we are not in that bad a position. Travel to Japan or to the UK and pay $2.20 - $2.60 a liter if you dont like it here.......

boozer, my best friend was a station attendant for about 6 years, and even when prices were relatively cheap compared to now, you would still get d*ckheads coming in and abusing him about having to pay 74c/l... i was there once, and he handled it brilliantly. perfectly polite and well mannered, but at the same time made the person feel about as big as an ant.
the prices are in huge signs for you to see, if you dont like the price, then drive around till you find somewhere you like.

i also find it strange when people complain about how much they are paying for petrol, but would rather die than use those 4c/l off shopping dockets to buy fuel.

Oops sorry Doug, Only relaying what ive been told by a good source:cry

isnt it sad that china, the biggest bike-riding country in the world, has now discovered what petrol can do for them, and is now in global terms, moving backwards and away from environmentally friendly transport...
we go forward. they were forward but are now going backward...

as for ethanol, i think its a good idea. much cleaner and cheap to produce...
not only that, but all the sugar cane that is planted on the sunshine coast can stay there if we start to produce ethanol, and the jobs can stay there too.

[Edited on 14/4/2005 by Starbug]

No worries Y2K, like I said there is so much misinformation out there its awfully difficult for Joe Public to get informed properly...

Quick fix.

I know theres a few other secret Pushie Bike fans on here...

Ride your bike to work/school/shops save your pennies from your petrol to restore your favourite Bus/Bug/Buggy etc. Drive it on weekends. Laugh at all the other suckers sitting in traffic burning away the dollars M-F as your cruise by on your pedal power.

And before anyone starts about convienience/Danger/bloody cyclists, refer to treatment of Servo employees on the Bloody Cyclists front and the convienience/danger is all a state of mind.

Get everyone onto a bike and the money youll save on petrol will buy your next Vee Dub. you might even get fit and loose the gut ALL FOR FREE (DISCLAIMER: I still have a gut....)

Thats my 2c , nearly less thean the margin an a litre of fuel....

Get off your repsective couches etc and do something about it. im just about as sick as the Servo workers of hearing about the PRICE OF FUEL. Build that bridge and ride the bike all the way over it !

Cheers Volks

Scotty :duh

[Edited on 14/4/2005 by scooter]

[Edited on 14/4/2005 by scooter]

thanks Doug, I knew I was right and considering me and both my parents are in the fuel industry for about ten+ year I should!

Starbug wrote:boozer, my best friend was a station attendant for about 6 years, and even when prices were relatively cheap compared to now, you would still get d*ckheads coming in and abusing him about having to pay 74c/l... i was there once, and he handled it brilliantly. perfectly polite and well mannered, but at the same time made the person feel about as big as an ant.
the prices are in huge signs for you to see, if you dont like the price, then drive around till you find somewhere you like.

i also find it strange when people complain about how much they are paying for petrol, but would rather die than use those 4c/l off shopping dockets to buy fuel.

I've been a servo attendant for just over three and I have NEVER been rude to anyone. but it really pisses me off. I was lucky when I started as I was in a servo in Vict Pt that did driveway service still and for nearly 2 yrs it was awesome. Now the company has decided that it is not worth haveing 2 staff on to do this so have pretty much canned it. and as the servo is not on a main road and is not new (very old) or big it's shop and fuel sales have decreased greatly. I asked to be move out of there as it was too depressing telling regular customers that I wasnt able to help them anymore and having them whinge to me constantly. BRING BACK DRIVEWAY SERVICE!

Yeah, I suppose we just gotta live with the fact that oil is going to get rarer, and rarer, and POOF! GONE!

So, i think as a society, we should start getting prepared, dust the cobwebs of the old bike, OR PERHAPS INVEST IN AN OLDFASHIONED HORSE AND CART.

But if everyone gets a horse, then imagine all the SH1T on the highway. (extra jobs for the unemployed though, looking on the bright side they could be the future POOPA SCOOPAS)

And I suppose you could fit a horse into a garage.

And then let it rome in the backyard for a while. (No need to mow the lawn)

you know, once you have been without a car for a while, you realise you dont really need one.
but it does help if you live inner city.

Latest price break down from the government. Released today.

% - Component
45 - Import price
38.6 - Commonwealth Government Excise
9.1 - GST
1.2 - Freight
0.6 - Wholesaler costs & profit
5.5 - Retailer/distribution costs & profit

Instant 10% discount if little johnny howard droped GST on fuel.........

Anyway the goverment is loving it, they collect more gst as the price goes up. Just think since Dec where they were collecting between 8 and 9c per ltr to today where they are collecting 10 to 12c per ltr, that is like a 45% increase if my maths are correct.

The goverment should be using this winfall for something usefull like fixing medicare, roads or the dam tax system but instead they are giving it away or putting into consolderated revenue.

Don't worry about the GST (even though it compunds another tax)

The excise is the killer. By the end of the year it will be 40%. Nice little earn for doing nothing.

Not listed in that break down is the NSW 3x3 tax* (even though it has been going for more than 3 time 3 years now). Oh yeah and the GST is compounded on that tax too!


*the 3x3 tax was supposed to be 3c per litre for 3 years mostly to complete the Pacific Highway. Been a decade now and now they want to toll the Pacific Highway.

what about the 3x3 levee it was only suppose to go for 3 years and its now how many years later

damn you matt your too quick . you beat me too it