Pity the other post was deleted . I'm game enough to start a new one cause this must be resolved . I want all water cooled and air cooled cars running for the Gene Berg trophy but it seems the main concern is with the air cooled cars . Basically the Turbo cars are starting to have a real advantage compared to previosly as they are become increasingly efficient . What if submitting minimum weights for various cars ?
N/A beetle Open
beetle engine turbo 950kg
Type 4 engine turbo 1150kg
And also allowing N/A engines full slicks and turbo cars street tyres ?
I dont want another flame thread just constructive comments WITHOUT PEOPLE BEING MENTIONED !
dangerous ·
Lets confirm a date for the meeting before "counting the chickens"
Dasdubber ·
Bug_racer wrote:I dont want another flame thread just constructive comments WITHOUT PEOPLE BEING MENTIONED !
There is nothing more I'd like to see than what you mentioned above - lets hope things don't degenerate again because it will end up with the same outcome.
Cheers. :thumb
pete wood ·
what happened?
VWCOOL ·
The GB rules are for street reg'd cars. Those are the rules and that's about all there is to it. End of discussion...
Craig Torrens ·
Really simple..............if you want to change the rules, then come up with a new trophy.
OvalGlen ·
Bug Racer, interesting idea, try to even the field -
but of course slicks are not street legal.
As already hinted - if Turbos are street legal "follow the
Vibe of the Burg Trophy" then they
are in, may not give normally aspirated a chance but
another trophy is a great idea.!
Bug_racer ·
I want to try and keep the Gene Berg trophy running as long as possible . If slicks arent street legal then what about not allowing turbos to run greater than 7 inch wide tyres or something . There are ways around this . I'm only throwing suggestions here to try and resolve this so both N/A and Turbo can run together . Even if we limit engine size and boost there has to be a way this can be resolved . I've been watching the whole VW drag scene dwindling down to a pretty pathetic turnout this year . How many cars turned up ? around 20 , 25 maybe ? I know I didnt run the car I wanted to but I still showed up (although it was in my G/F car:P) . The ever increasing amount of water cooled cars is enough of a reason to alter the Gene Berg trophy . I'm pretty sure I can double the field of water cooled cars next year . I'm also ready and willing to lay down some prize money , although it wont be much its still better than nothing ! All these factors and also the previous post pretty much shows that the Gene Berg trophy has to be changed in some way . I just want suggestions , I would also like to throw forward a time and place to meet , probably around the time of the flat four shootout ?
1303Steve ·
Hi
The whole point of the trophy should be to encourage people to build a car that goes as fast as it can, but is legally street registered, EFI turbo charging etc is a development.
As far as I’m concerned the Berg Trophy has always been open to water-cooled VAG cars to compete for it.
Steve
hypo-vw ·
VWCOOL wrote:The GB rules are for street reg'd cars. Those are the rules and that's about all there is to it. End of discussion...
finally , someone who knows how to read a set of rules and apply them without adding their own terminology like , 'legally' , 'engine capacity ' etc.
have a read of the rules , is the phrase' legally road registed ' mentioned , NO !! because this would stop 90% of street registed cars from running . The rules have worked for the last 10 years , leave them as they are !!
Just make sure that the enforcer of the rules has the same standards for every competitor , not just the ones that kiss his butt !!
shiftyvw ·
Being Legally registered kind of went without saying i thought. Could someone please list previous winners and state how their cars have been illegal?
Bug_racer ·
I dont want any names mentioned here . That is why I posted it again . NO NAMES !!!!!
The whole point of this thread is to clarify some rules . There are heaps of N/A beetles out there and a few turbo ones , why should the few turbo cars compete for the trophy . The playing field should be as even as possible . As for a 2.8 turbo in an Oval , come on you cant hardly call that fair . If thats the case then I'll build a mk1 with a turbo r32 motor , wont take me long , have a spare r32 motor , 2 turbo's laying around , and mk1's are cheap . I want the GBT to be a level playing field where both N/A and turbo can compete for the same trophy . As for the legalities of it , well , umm , thats another story . I know people probably wont share the same opinions as me but please feel free to add opinions on how to make the GBT more fair
Boostn ·
Different states have different rules.
It is not fair on N/A cars against the turbo cars.
A car can not be truly street legal and pass ANDRA and be fast.
Just one of the rules is ANDRA require the seat to be fixed at the top of the back part of the seat, but VIC roads say the seat must be adjustable.
The cars are getting faster and if we are going to make the rules up as we go no one will bother with the GBT.
Wayne built a car, got it registered, was the fastest car, and has set the new bench mark.
It is up to everyone else to beat him, not take his glory.
Besides, (no offence Wayne and I'm sure you will agree) the 2.8 is irrelevant.
A 1915 could make more power than the 2.8, it was on a very soft tune by the sounds of it, and is capable of making twice that power he wanted to.
Bug_racer ·
Its all been noted but .
How many cars were at the nationals ?
What was Waynes closest competitor ?
Its great too see Wayne running the times , I even raced against him once and lost , I know he is quick , but whats the point of having only 1 quick bug that is over a second quicker than its nearest rival ? If no one beleives the playing field should be evened out then there should be 2 seperate classes . If you still dont want 2 classes whats the point of the trophy if only a half a dozen cars Australia wide can compete for it ?
The technical aspect can be sorted out later , the basics need to be implemented first .
Craig Paton ·
Wayne will have his competitors when other Turbo cars are finished!
With regards to N/A competing against turbo's, personally I can't see it!
Modern electronics and turbo's have come a long way since the 90's!
I DON'T want to compete against Turbo cars that are restricted by boost or weight! Why would a/one want to limit these guys??????
This is exactly what the V-Dub scene NEEDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would love to see these BEASTS being unleashed at the DRAGS and getting the Fast 4,s, V8"s etc take notice!
I still think if we had a similar situation to what the Yanks have done with their Cal-Look top 20 and Turbo/Nitrous Sections. In their case both sections can have a fair go!
A/way Street Meets are fun w/out all the bickering, except when you've just hosed a Rex or V8! 😀😂😁
no slow 63 ·
If turbo cars are to be restricted by weight or boost, why would anybody bother building biulding one?
I agree, in heads up racing it's not fair to turbo and N/A cars to compete against eachother, but why should the people with turbo cars be restricted from going as fast as they can???
Instead of trying to make weight and boost restrictions for the turbo's to slow them down, maybe the rules should be changed so that the N/A guys have to run turbo's....That would make it fair wouldn't it?...(I'm only joking, so don't get upset N/A guys!)
But seriously, a few years back the turbo and N/A cars were pretty competitive, but nowdays the turbo cars are much faster, so there should be two classes.
Flintstones ·
From what I've read not only in this post but also the last one that was shut down it seems like there needs to be 2 classes;
For N/A the GBT Trophy
For Forced Induction the AVD Trophy (tubo's, superchargers, nitrous)
The only rules being Street rego'ed and engines from the VW stable (engine/chassis numbers matching rego papers).
(or add a third trophy for cars that have had conversions)
Have a panel of 5 to decide and award the trophies, this way there is no one person to controll the outcome.
The 5 representatives to be elected from either various clubs or workshops but only one rep from THAT club or workshop and to be elected by the people i.e. AVD members, car clubs etc.
These are suggestions to get the ball rolling
As Club VeeDub host the Nationals, I hope a representative can provide an official solution to what appears to be a rather long and ongoing debate prior to next years Nats.
Cheers
Craig Paton ·
Instead of trying to make weight and boost restrictions for the turbo's to slow them down, maybe the rules should be changed so that the N/A guys have to run turbo's....
Hey Mark
Great idea!!.... I wish I thought of that!😁nn[ Edited on 21-9-2005 by Craig Paton ]
vanderaj ·
If there is going to be an Aussieveedubbers open-ended category trophy (and I will talk to Brad about that), it will be first and foremost a "safe" category. We don't want cars that are so dangerous to race that drivers or spectators will be hurt if anything goes wrong.
Andrew
no slow 63 ·
vanderaj wrote:If there is going to be an Aussieveedubbers open-ended category trophy (and I will talk to Brad about that), it will be first and foremost a "safe" category. We don't want cars that are so dangerous to race that drivers or spectators will be hurt if anything goes wrong.
Andrew
We aren't racing up and down Lygon st.!!!!
If any car is unsafe to race , it wont pass scruteneering and / or ANDRA tech inspection.
jakjones ·
Dave Birchal and club veedub have done a great job in previous years.
TEXT DELETED HERE.
Get over it Rose , this Topic is very worn out now.
Tah
jak this post has been edited by me - call me what you like but your comments again brought in personal references which is why the first thread was suspended. There were no constructive comments or suggestions how to keep things moving forward in vw drag racing - all the comments would do is stir another shit fight which would result in this thread being suspended too which none of the moderators want, nor the people involved in any constructive input.
nn[ Edited on 21-9-2005 by Dasdubber ]
pete wood ·
How about we let anything registered as a VW enter. That would really make it interesting.
[am I the only person who's over this "aircooled" vs "watercooled" vs "not a purist" vs "dont wear balmain footy socks" debate?]
BTW, I'm sure Gene Berg would find it all just as boring as I am... 🙄
nn[ Edited on 22-9-2005 by pete wood ]
OvalGlen ·
Andrew, To race at the strip the cars must pass tech
inspection. Usually this is adequate to ensure a reasonable
level of safety however when it comes to pushing
the boundaries as this class with Turbo and Insane boost
will probably head toward, then things will break.
Maybe the safer class would be the Absolutely Bone standard engine class.
May not be as much fun to watch but - hey cant have
everything.:thumb
More Boost ·
I think the only thing wrong with the GBT at the moment is the fact that people are upset with 'illegally' modified and registered vehicles. I think the wording needs changing. As long as the car is legally registered in the home state of the owner it should be allowed to compete for the trophy.
As for turbo vs N/A, I don't believe that N/A cars will be able to compete against boosted vehicles but why should these boosted cars be unallowed to compete for a trophy started by a man whose passion was volkswagens, in any form.
Rob
BiX ·
OK i mite put in my 2c worth. Having not run or have run in the GBT, i come at this from an outsider's point of view, so could be all wrong, or not.
From the sounds of it, the turbo technology has now outstripped the NA cars, now the question si how to make this fair. 2 classes, one for na cars under 2.4L and one for turbo and large displacement NA cars?
Is there anyway of having some kind of test for all the cars, even though they may all have rego and a number plates, some are more streeteable than others. I remember reading a few years back on here, that all cars had to be able to be driven in a 80km loop etc around the public roads and returned? would somehting like this make it possible. This ouwl mean that cars are registered for road use (therefore stopping pure drags cars) and also some form of streetable. The drive may have to be done by an appointed offical of the event, with the owner driver in the passenger seat. As such no switches or other adjustments can be made,eg the car comes down the returnb road, the driver hops out with the car running and the tester hops in an drives the X km loop.
I do have a basic understanding of drag racing, but is there a way to run a power to weight ratio? and then turbo engines incure a capacity increase of 1.7 (like in cams racing)? or is this to hard to police and enforce?
I know that alot of times some cars are registered, but then have been heavily modified after being approved (this is the case in, qld, as once you have your plates you won't be checked again, unless the DOT pull you over).
I was once told that the winner of a race is normally not the best car within the rules, but the car which didn't get caught cheating...........
Turbo54 ·
Bring on the loop thing, most of the turbo cars are more tame to drive on the street than the big NA Cars!
T54
VWCOOL ·
hypo-vw wrote:
VWCOOL wrote:The GB rules are for street reg'd cars. Those are the rules and that's about all there is to it. End of discussion...
finally , someone who knows how to read a set of rules and apply them without adding their own terminology like , 'legally' , 'engine capacity ' etc.
have a read of the rules , is the phrase' legally road registed ' mentioned , NO !! because this would stop 90% of street registed cars from running . The rules have worked for the last 10 years , leave them as they are !!
Just make sure that the enforcer of the rules has the same standards for every competitor , not just the ones that kiss his butt !!
Yeah, but, if a car for reason of weight or capacity fall outside the guidelines and regs supplied in each state via the CoP, the car can't be registered. So, ipso facto, if the car can't be 'street registered', it doesn't matter what the GB rules say about 'engine and chassis numbers'...!
Flintstones ·
VWCOOL wrote:
hypo-vw wrote:
VWCOOL wrote:The GB rules are for street reg'd cars. Those are the rules and that's about all there is to it. End of discussion...
finally , someone who knows how to read a set of rules and apply them without adding their own terminology like , 'legally' , 'engine capacity ' etc.
have a read of the rules , is the phrase' legally road registed ' mentioned , NO !! because this would stop 90% of street registed cars from running . The rules have worked for the last 10 years , leave them as they are !!
Just make sure that the enforcer of the rules has the same standards for every competitor , not just the ones that kiss his butt !!
Yeah, but, if a car for reason of weight or capacity fall outside the guidelines and regs supplied in each state via the CoP, the car can't be registered. So, ipso facto, if the car can't be 'street registered', it doesn't matter what the GB rules say about 'engine and chassis numbers'...!
Then that would mean any "street registered" beetle that was running a 1916 engine would be required to undergo an engineers assesment (based on the RTA's 15% power increase rule) and have a report in the car at all times (provided it met the minimum guidelines)
Now how many owners out there have a engineers report for the above situation or does their rego papers still say that it's got a 1300,1500 or1600cc's ??!!
Cheers
VDubya ·
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VWCOOL ·
Flintstones wrote:
VWCOOL wrote:
hypo-vw wrote:
VWCOOL wrote:The GB rules are for street reg'd cars. Those are the rules and that's about all there is to it. End of discussion...
finally , someone who knows how to read a set of rules and apply them without adding their own terminology like , 'legally' , 'engine capacity ' etc.
have a read of the rules , is the phrase' legally road registed ' mentioned , NO !! because this would stop 90% of street registed cars from running . The rules have worked for the last 10 years , leave them as they are !!
Just make sure that the enforcer of the rules has the same standards for every competitor , not just the ones that kiss his butt !!
Yeah, but, if a car for reason of weight or capacity fall outside the guidelines and regs supplied in each state via the CoP, the car can't be registered. So, ipso facto, if the car can't be 'street registered', it doesn't matter what the GB rules say about 'engine and chassis numbers'...!
Then that would mean any "street registered" beetle that was running a 1916 engine would be required to undergo an engineers assesment (based on the RTA's 15% power increase rule) and have a report in the car at all times (provided it met the minimum guidelines)
Now how many owners out there have a engineers report for the above situation or does their rego papers still say that it's got a 1300,1500 or1600cc's ??!!
Cheers
Yes that's right.🤓
Hey, forget the 'how may owners out there blah blah' argument. Cops will laugh at you - and so will a magistrate
Flintstones ·
quote]Originally posted by VWCOOL
Yes that's right.[/quote]
Now that you've agreed, how many cars that won the GBT tophy in previous years, actually won it legitimately. That's what started off this debate in the first place.....
quote]Originally posted by VWCOOL
Hey, forget the 'how may owners out there blah blah' argument. Cops will laugh at you - and so will a magistrate [/quote]
When was the last time you heard of a cop/magistrate asking what capacity your engine was?? seriously.......🙄
Cheersnn[ Edited on 24-9-2005 by Flintstones ]
VWCOOL ·
Flintstones wrote:quote]Originally posted by VWCOOL
Yes that's right.
Now that you've agreed, how many cars that won the GBT tophy in previous years, actually won it legitimately.....
quote]Originally posted by VWCOOL
Hey, forget the 'how may owners out there blah blah' argument. Cops will laugh at you - and so will a magistrate [/quote]
When was the last time you heard of a cop/magistrate asking what capacity your engine was?? seriously.......🙄
Cheers [/quote]
"Blah blah blah"
EDIT: I'm pretty sure Leigh Harris has won the GB trophy in the past with his Turbo 59. It's enginered and legalnn[ Edited on 25-9-2005 by VWCOOL ]
flashman ·
Theres' two issues - road legal and racing legal. as has been pointed out racing rules are clear full stop that is, no interpretation is required. Road registered is not road registerable like event registration or rally rego. How many cars on race day are more than 100mm off the deck????? But thats the point its not racing in road trim. Now that would be funny, slow yes but funny. Anyrate I digress. It shits me that anyone with an original thought is branded a cheat, or worse illegally winning a trophy. Get over it, turn all that mental energy into coming up with a way to make more efficient power rather than bitchin. There's far too much tall poppy syndrome in motor sport - that shits me too, its supposed to be fun..........
It may be obvious but the guys that are out competing for the trophy all know what the rules are, everyone has studied the regs, everyone knows there are turbo cars, its not like its new technology. To change the rules simply because the vehicle you race may have insufficient technology to be competitive, is simply not a good enough arguement. The rules haven't changed any. The trophy is less about parity than consistancy, ingenuity and winning. Leave it as it is - it is up to everyone else to reach the benchmark not the other way round.
fastnuf ·
Well put Flashman.
VWCOOL ·
There are all sorts of 'related' topics and points of view coming into this discussion - some good, some bad. I don't think any AVDubbers with any experience with the GB trophy has ever questioned the turbo cars - turbos have legitimately and rightfully won in the past, as have healthy NA cars. The issue, as I see it, is 'registration' and the associated legal obligations, not what sort of intake system the car has
Bug_racer ·
That is true . But what capacity were the turbo cars in the past ?
flashman ·
Without getting into politics the issue here is not registration at all - it is simply whether or not race cars on race day comply with ADR's.
None do - I could go on for three days listing ADR's where race vehicles' simply do not comply - Ride height, Noise restrictions
and NON STANDARD EXHAUST to name a few. I have read and heard many arguements - the common bitch is getting around registration.
Boys you can't have your cake and eat it too - It is either all or nothing. Change is change, if you want to change it then get real about the rules. Everyone knows a dodgy machanic or engineer, I won't go there - but if the powers that be are seriously considering travelling down this road then maybe it is about time scrutineers look for roadworthy in these cars, rather than the plate on the front. Just a thought.
And while you are thinking about it, think about how many race cars would pass a pit inspection run by the RTA Rules.
It would certainly make for Australians Funniest Home Videos at scrutineering time.
My position though has not changed. registration = competitor full stop
VWCOOL ·
The GB trophy is not about race cars. It is about street cars. Registered ones. And by inference, street-legal ones. Do you not realise this?! We are not talking about race cars!
flashman ·
VWCOOL wrote:The GB trophy is not about race cars. It is about street cars. Registered ones. And by inference, street-legal ones. Do you not realise this?! We are not talking about race cars!
Semantics, race cars and cars that race - Whats the difference, ones got a registration plate and one has not? What some people cant get their head around is the one with the plate is eligible. end of story.
See the irony - this simple fact is the whole driving force behind the discussion. Road Registered in some ppls view does not equate to street legal on race day. What's driving the divide is the mistaken belief that cars which appear not to be street legal on race day are illegitimate starters/winners for the trophy.
I agree that it is incongruent a road registered car on race day, which does not comply with ADR's and hence not technically street legal, is still recognised a competitor. BUT that ladies and gentlemen is the rules of the G/B Trophy, the race car only has to be registered.
registered = racingnn[ Edited on 27/9/2005 by flashman ]
VDubya ·
A sticker and number plates does not mean a car is registered.
nn[ Edited on 27-9-2005 by VDubya ]
VWCOOL ·
flashman wrote:
VWCOOL wrote:The GB trophy is not about race cars. It is about street cars. Registered ones. And by inference, street-legal ones. Do you not realise this?! We are not talking about race cars!
Semantics, race cars and cars that race - Whats the difference, ones got a registration plate and one has not? What some people cant get their head around is the one with the plate is eligible. end of story.
See the irony - this simple fact is the whole driving force behind the discussion. Road Registered in some ppls view does not equate to street legal on race day. What's driving the divide is the mistaken belief that cars which appear not to be street legal on race day are illegitimate starters/winners for the trophy.
I agree that it is incongruent a road registered car on race day, which does not comply with ADR's and hence not technically street legal, is still recognised a competitor. BUT that ladies and gentlemen is the rules of the G/B Trophy, the race car only has to be registered.
registered = racingnn[ Edited on 27/9/2005 by flashman ]
But of it doesn't apply with ADRS etc it CAN'T be registered.... so therefore isn't eleigible for the GB trophy... but where does this all end?!!
shiftyvw ·
Pre 72 cars dont have to comply with most of the adr's that are a pain in the ass to modifiers, mainly emmisions related ones.
BiX ·
What about asking main roads (RTA in NSW?) to come and act as a scruitneer?
Form my way of thinking, if it has been registered and the engine and chassis numbers match, it shuld be allowed to enter. It seems eitehr everything needs to be restricted (eg, must be 1600cc, with std heads,etc etc, formula V style) or it needs to be a very open set of rules. Trying to play the middle ground won't work.
The rules in the othere posts seem to be very open and thats the way it should be.
LOWBUG ·
Its a pitty theres no Ombudsman to sort this out.
Maybe an outside party can creat the rules, maybe ANDRA
At the end of the day if you don't like somthing what do you do?
Karma will sort it out
shiftyvw ·
or we could burn the damn thing and just go racing.
speedster356 ·
I vote to burn it......
shiftyvw ·
Well get a lynch mob together and throw it in an incinerator!
flashman ·
cool, sell some tickets ............
dangerous ·
Damn trophy....when is the meeting on?
Still need an answer on this question!
Is anyone in charge down there?
shiftyvw ·
Lets make a prize for the next event, owner of the slowest vw gets to publicly destroy the trophy! I can see the arguments now..."But his car wasnt legal because he had a fat chick in it!"
flashman ·
or how about "there was no water in his windscreen washer bottle, his car's not legal "
Far to many chiefs and not enough indians .....................
speedster356 ·
I say burn the witch.........oh hang on I'm thinking of something else.....
shiftyvw ·
Now were talkin! Seriously if you need a trophy to race for you shouldnt be racing!
Bug_racer ·
There has to be something to aspire to . Think of the younger vw owners . They want to grow up and win the Gene berg trophy . I was seriously building an all out car just to win it , within the rules and without an engine size increase . Just a bit dissapointed and confused that I won it in the wifes car 🤪
56astro ·
flashman wrote:My position though has not changed. registration = competitor full stop
Exactly. That's what the rules state.
Can't make it any simpler than that.
pete wood ·
Bug_racer wrote:There has to be something to aspire to . Think of the younger vw owners . They want to grow up and win the Gene berg trophy . I was seriously building an all out car just to win it , within the rules and without an engine size increase . Just a bit dissapointed and confused that I won it in the wifes car 🤪
well that's what you get when ya wife's car is a porsche GT2 with a VW badge sticky taped on the bonnet! :P
VDubya ·
Gene who?????
Bug_racer ·
My wifes car a gt2 :P. I wish . Its just 4 cylinders and weighs over 1400kg ! and only 1.8 . Remember that . Factory turbo . I'll be running it again in the not too distant future . I just hope some more air cooled guys show up . The nats was a dissapointment . If this keeps up next year the aircooled cars will be outnumbered 2:1
LOWBUG ·
Gee I can see this is still going no where.
VDubya ·
LOWBUG wrote:Gee I can see this is still going no where.
Just like Berg Enterprises.
Dasdubber ·
VDubya wrote:
LOWBUG wrote:Gee I can see this is still going no where.
Just like Berg Enterprises.
After 57 posts you have made VDubya (all of which I have looked through by doing a search), I am yet to find one constructive comment. I know you have issues with my moderating, but can you blame me for having to step in and act in the best interest of the forum when people such as yourself continue time and time again to post comments just to stir the pot/get people offside/insult people etc?
I will delete my comments at some stage to keep this thread on track, but please attempt to make some sort of valuable contribution to this site rather than just stir $hit all the time.....I'm asking nicely.
VWFREAK ·
I think people are starting to read into this topic a little too hard. If it an't broke don't fix it. I agree with Hypo vw, it's worked for years so why change it.😍
Bug_racer ·
I'll agree with that . The only time someone can justify insulting a person is when they themselves have made a valuable contribution . I'm waiting to see that contribution ?
Bug_racer ·
I'll just keep bringing up the point of no cars showing up . It wasnt broke before , now it is . If this keeps going there wont be a drag event next year
VWCOOL ·
For a variety of reasons, I haven't raced at a VW Nationals drag day since the old Oran Park races of the early-mid 90s.
Allow me to disregard the GBT for a moment and ask...
Is there any different classes for differnet engines or year models? Will I get more than one go before my 16-second car is blasted away by a 13-second turbo street terror? Is drag racing any fun...
vwfastback ·
Is drag racing any fun? yes!
The racing is dial your own. Your 16 sec car can race against that 13 sec car and win easily.
A 21 second bus can beat a 10 sec race car. Although in practice, it is not safe to allow them to race with this difference. (They should both cross the line at the same time, however, one will be doing 65 mph, the other 130mph.)
Don't forget as well, that the last event wasn't held with the show, or over a long weekend.
That stops a lot of racers from interstate attending. When the show and the drags are on the same weekend, that gives more of a reason for people to attend.
To tow a car from Adelaide is 17 hours each way.
To tow from Melbourne is close to 11 hours each way.
Racers need to have the time to get there, to relax, to race and to get back in time for work.
Bug_racer ·
Such a shame this went no-where .
matberry ·
So, two years on... if this forum is still alive, how about we get the GBT back. Who has it now?
Has anyone asked Gary Berg whar to do re. turbo/aspo argument?
For me, if it's regestered.... race it.... lets get the Berg Trophy back into contention
hellbugged ·
How bout a MBM trophy 😀
vw54 ·
YES MBM
Bizarre ·
Brilliant Idea Matt
Bring back hi po old school air cooled racing
Not trying to take away from Matt if he wants to take it on but what about making it the AVD trophy?
You have a bunch of moderators that can nut out the rules
We can promote different venues and events as approved
It would bring some life back into the forum