Got home from Eastern Creek on Sunday, could hear a small knocking noise? from the engine, changed the oil & filter & started it up to drive to a meeting 9.00am Monday morning. The knocking noise was worse until the enigne warmed up to temp, then it went back to being very quiet again. At first I thought it was a big end after flogging it on the track all day, i have also checked the lifters on the right had side which is where the noise is coming from, they are all fine so it may be a broken piston skirt which apparently is also common.
Still, over 12500kms of daily driving & 4 track days since lasy Xmas out of a an $850 engine isn't too bad. The cost to have it rebuilt? $1500. Try doing that with a vw engine, god love em.!
regards
Jak http://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/228633.jpg
MATE! thats gotta be fkn awesome to have your beetle flogging around the track with the likes of those others. there must be some grins on the track and in the stands for sure.
reminds us when your next event might be. wouldnt mind getting a view of it.
jvl054 ·
:thumbJVLRacing
bajachris88 ·
what engine + stats ur running mate? If ur willing to tell Lol.
Cause thats bloody beautiful 🙂
Che Castro ·
wow looks fantastic. Jak your car looks awesome! Great photos, who took them?
Craig Torrens ·
Jak Rizzo wrote:The cost to have it rebuilt? $1500. Try doing that with a vw engine, god love em.!
regards
Jak
To rebuild a VW motor:
Bearings $135
Flywheel Seal $29
Gasket set $65
Oil Pump $75
Rings $70 (or new PB Kit $430)
Linebore $90
Crank grind (if needed) $150
Assembly $450
So for around $1000 you can happily rebuild a VW engine :P
The cost is not in the rebuild, but in buying the engine in the first place! That's where the subaru has the advantage...........in the short term.
nn[ Edited on 25-9-2005 by Craig Torrens ]
pete wood ·
Craig, is that for a standard motor or a 1916?
Chewy ·
Lookin good :thumb
Craig, could you please u2u me regarding those panels
Cheers
Hi Craig,
I like it when u make a reply, it confirms peoples opinions.
regards
Jak
rubyred ·
hey jak, why not just get another low milage motor?
Jak Rizzo ·
That is definantly an option, but with the car going on the track at 4 to 5 times a year, I want the peice of mind of a new motor, not that a new motor can't have anything go wrong with it , I also need the car for work so reliability is the main priority. My rebuild will also consist of regrinding the crank if need be, lightening the flywheel, balancing the bottom end, new head gaskets, water pump, oil pump & relapping the valves. it should go better then new, well thats the theory anyway LOL.
It will also be guaranteed not to overheat:thumb
At least now I will have the luxury of knowing the history of the engine.
regards
Jak
Jeza ·
Jak
Looking fantastic!
I guess this engine has taken the racing to a whole different level!
Would you get a cheapy motor to fill the hole (and let you use the car) while you do the rebuild?
Cheers
Jeremy
Jak Rizzo ·
I've teed it up to do it over the weekend, then my engine builder needs only 2 working days to complete. I've got a stock 1600cc beetle engine if I get really stuck but I'll just do without my beloved toy for acouple of days.
regards
Jak
boof2332 ·
Craig you forgot the grindy grind on the crank. Is that what you pay stan each year for your new race motor rebuilds?
Anyone else going fishing today?
Made another sump on the weekend....it has just passed the leak test, so Ill be back attempting to destroy the motor by 10am. Rain...mmmm maybe if I had a 5th gear I could get some traction!
Mattnn[ Edited on 25-9-05 by boof2332 ]
Jak Rizzo ·
Craig would only have to rebuild his motor if he actually raced it.
regards
Jak
boof2332 ·
Craig how is Glen.. posts like this must cause his head to spin. 1916 and wrx powered and winning all arguments....what about the battle from within? He must feel like Luke Skywalker when he meets the emperor...
Luke, Luke ....are you there?
71EJVan ·
I thought this section was "Non VW Engine Conversions" NOT "Preaching to the heathen savages" I guess I need to go back to my grass hut and read my "How to hot rod VWs book".
"him tinkim wakem wannem".......what does he think he's doing!
Brendan
VWCOOL ·
boof2332 wrote:Craig how is Glen.. posts like this must cause his head to spin. 1916 and wrx powered and winning all arguments....what about the battle from within? He must feel like Luke Skywalker when he meets the emperor...
Luke, Luke ....are you there?
I'm just fine! My own just-rebuilt 1916 is nicely run-in now while on the other side of the fence, GTMac and I are just working through a few teething problems with the WRX transplant (such as a crap-quality throwout bearing supplied with the adapter plate and some CEL codes) plus waiting for my machinist to finish work on the big vented disc brakes so that we can get the engineers certificate... Errr... why do you ask?
nn[ Edited on 25-9-2005 by VWCOOL ]
Craig Torrens ·
Jak Rizzo wrote:Craig would only have to rebuild his motor if he actually raced it.
regards
Jak
Nah, raced it for 7 years without needing a rebuild, even then it was only rebuilt because I dusted it on a dirt road (using crap air filters).
Boys lighten up on your defense mechanisms.................
Jak Rizzo ·
Really? In another post Glenn said that u 2 have had 9 engines between u in 10 years. Gee Glenn must drive them hard.
Good to see your happy with your engine Craig.:thumb
regards
Jak
Craig Torrens ·
I think we may have had more!
They are all different cars Jak :kiss......................not engine rebuilds!
Always happy with my VW engines Jak........................would love to have your 195hp though!nn[ Edited on 26-9-2005 by Craig Torrens ]
VWCOOL ·
lol.. it's gettin' on for 20 years now! And there's another coupla dak-dak donks on the way! :thumbnn[ Edited on 26-9-2005 by VWCOOL ]
Jak Rizzo ·
Oh well, the $1500 rebuild of my little jap crap engine in comparison to your last "standard" rebuild, how much does it cost these days for straight cut gears, twin 48mm webbers, new manifolds, match porting, twin plug distributor & the drilling of a couple of new holes in your heads, for how much more power?
Comparison of hp per dollar?
Comparison of dollar per kilometre u actually drive?
Umm, what happened? I wasn't having a go, I was really interested in whether you could rebuild a 1916 for $1k. :o
ULTRA moderator :vader
nn[ Edited on 26-9-2005 by pete wood ]
MickH ·
pete wood wrote:Umm, what happened? I wasn't having a go, I was really interested in whether you could rebuild a 1916 for $1k. :o
ULTRA moderator :vader
nn[ Edited on 26-9-2005 by pete wood ]
If you do it yourself, yes.
Alex Holzl ·
you all sound like the kids at my school debating whos dads SS commodore is better!!!
Id put a subie motor in a dub if i wanted something quiet and powerfull but im still young and stupid and love the noise of an Aircooled motor with massive carbs or throttle bodies. Fair enough VW motors need alot of money put into them other wise they arent worth pissing on, we all know that but we have all spent silly money on our VWs... right???
Alex :P
RENNWAGEN ·
Pete, Stan just quoted me $3500 to rebuild my engine. Needs a new case Kombi's too heavy that was what finally got me to jump off the the fence and get serious about a suby. Oh cost of the case about a grand.
Jak Rizzo ·
Alex Holzl wrote:you all sound like the kids at my school debating whos dads SS commodore is better!!!
Id put a subie motor in a dub if i wanted something quiet and powerfull but im still young and stupid and love the noise of an Aircooled motor with massive carbs or throttle bodies. Fair enough VW motors need alot of money put into them other wise they arent worth pissing on, we all know that but we have all spent silly money on our VWs... right???
Alex :P
Right!
I know exactly where u are right now Alex, & it's a beautiful place, that induction roar of a flat four on twins is simply beautiful. But I'm in a new place now. chsssshhhhhhhh.........bless u.......
regards
Jak
pete wood ·
RENNWAGEN wrote:Pete, Stan just quoted me $3500 to rebuild my engine. Needs a new case Kombi's too heavy that was what finally got me to jump off the the fence and get serious about a suby. Oh cost of the case about a grand.
How big is the current one? Is it type 1 or type 4?
Anthiron ·
is it just me or is your passenger door open in this pic jak?
it's not open.
It's closed in the other pics & they were taken on the same lap.
Jak
boof2332 ·
I love this forum and everyone on it. A boring rainy Monday, shunt into the realms of the most classic of classic arguments. All we need is a few comments from the stroker boys regarding the cost and power of a 1916 and our Tuesday will be in full swing. Imagine how pointless and boring our existance would be if we all agreed!!!!
Lets organise a game of skirmish so we can shoot each other while arguing who has the best gun.
Jak..... do you have a passenger door? How is the exhaust leak?
Matt
Jak Rizzo ·
unfortunantly it wasn't an exhaust leak, that was wishfull thinking.................
Jak
Baja Wes ·
boof2332 wrote:All we need is a few comments from the stroker boys regarding the cost and power of a 1916 and our Tuesday will be in full swing.
Well if your really bored I could always start an arguement about how turbos suck (no pun intended) and how you should pull the turbo off the EJ20T and supercharge it instead. It would be as pointless as every other arguement but you'd get some passionate replies I'm sure.
Jak, everyone knows the subaru engine is better than the VW engine, with so much technology it's a no brainer. Anyone saying anything else is just trying to justify to themselves why they still have a VW motor. As convincing as they seem to themselves, they also know deep inside that they can't fool themselves.
VWCOOL ·
Yep, I reckon EFI engine conversions are great. Hell, I like late-model transplants so much that I invented the word 'retrotech'.
But for the 'argument', it ain't VW any more 🙁 and they CAN'T be done for $800 like some would have you believe.nn[ Edited on 27-9-2005 by VWCOOL ]
Jak Rizzo ·
VWCOOL wrote:Yep, I reckon EFI engine conversions are great. Hell, I like late-model transplants so much that I invented the word 'retrotech'.
But for the 'argument', it ain't VW any more 🙁 and they CAN'T be done for $800 like some would have you believe.nn[ Edited on 27-9-2005 by VWCOOL ]
who on here has said that u can do a conversion for $800.?
U are typing for the sake of it again.
Jak
Jak Rizzo ·
Jak, everyone knows the subaru engine is better than the VW engine, with so much technology it's a no brainer. Anyone saying anything else is just trying to justify to themselves why they still have a VW motor. As convincing as they seem to themselves, they also know deep inside that they can't fool themselves. [/quote]
No worries Wes, I'm not on here telling people that my car / conversion is better than anyone elses, just like u won't find me outside the conversion section of the forum singing the Subaru bible (is there such a thing?), it's not for everyone, but it is for me.
regards
Jak
71superbug ·
i think maybe VWCOOL was saying 800 dollar conversions to emphasise that it costs more than some think 🙂.
i cant believe im going in to bat for him. hahaha
anthony🥷
jvl054 ·
Just as well they are all basic conversions!!!!!and some get it right.....Jak,Boof,Paul are good road approved eg. of how to do it:thumb.....Some on here say they win all arguments, :pukebut no results have happen!!!!JVLRacingnn[ Edited on 27/9/2005 by jvl054 ]nn[ Edited on 27/9/2005 by jvl054 ]
VWCOOL ·
jvl054 wrote:Just as well they are all basic conversions!!!!!and some get it right.....Jak,Boof,Paul are good road approved eg. of how to do it:thumb.....Some on here say they win all arguments, :pukebut no results have happen!!!!JVLRacingnn[ Edited on 27/9/2005 by jvl054 ]nn[ Edited on 27/9/2005 by jvl054 ]
...the Type 3/WRX conversion that I was involved in (GTMac's) was on the road and running in July. As I shared here on AVD, the conversion took two days for two blokes (not including the radiator install which had been done previously by GTMac) I drove the car for around 150km sorting out various things before handing it back to GTMac, the owner.
Yes, there have been teething problems, but many of those have been related to the VW components (clutch cable etc), not the conversion itself.
The car is still waiting for a set of my big vented front disc brakes (a requirement for rego - if the engine donor car has vented brakes, so must the recipient car) before being presented for its engineer's certificate. But as it is a 'toy' and not a daily driver, there's no great rush.
Depsite the fact the Faaaaastback is not yet 'engineered', it is driveable and has shocked a few 'fully sick' WRX and 200SX owners during a few brief 'test' sojourns around Sydney's Western Suburbs.
With around 200kW from the upgraded WRX engine versus maybe 40kW from the stock 1600 and standard 165 tyres and stock brakes, forgive us for not driving it further yet.
I reckon that, as you so eloquently tagged it :puke is a "result"... How's your car running and handling, JVL? Do tell!
ANNNNYYHOW....
Jak, have you discovered what the noise/damage/whatever is yet? What can Macca and I look forward to when he takes it to Wakefield??!!
nn[ Edited on 27-9-2005 by VWCOOL ]
Jak Rizzo ·
Hi Glenn,
I've been driving the car all today as I need it for work & the bloody noise comes & goes. Pretty definant apon start up (when I say definant, u can't hear it from inside the car)then pratically disappears once up to temp. I went & saw the Scott again today that is going to rebuild it to arrange a time, he now thinks that it may be piston related, which would be better than big end related I would think. The worst thing is that the car still drives so beautifully & that I had to ignore the M3 driver that sat up my culu for 10ks just trying to get a reaction. He clearly had other lanes to overtake but he wanted to play. Sadly i could not teach him a lesson today.
I think if Andrew changes gear at 6000rpm like I do, don't do 15 minute stints, just 3 hot laps at a time he will be fine. I'm going back to a standard L-bug box for the 3.88rp so that I don't have to hold it just off the limitor at 7000rpm down Eastern Creek Straight.
Hope he's changed the cheese cutters! With those driving lights on the front its the perfect sleeper! I really like it.
regards
Jak
jvl054 ·
VWCOOL wrote:
jvl054 wrote:Just as well they are all basic conversions!!!!!and some get it right.....Jak,Boof,Paul are good road approved eg. of how to do it:thumb.....Some on here say they win all arguments, :pukebut no results have happen!!!!JVLRacingnn[ Edited on 27/9/2005 by jvl054 ]nn[ Edited on 27/9/2005 by jvl054 ]
...the Type 3/WRX conversion that I was involved in (GTMac's) was on the road and running in July. As I shared here on AVD, the conversion took two days for two blokes (not including the radiator install which had been done previously by GTMac) I drove the car for around 150km sorting out various things before handing it back to GTMac, the owner.
Yes, there have been teething problems, but many of those have been related to the VW components (clutch cable etc), not the conversion itself.
The car is still waiting for a set of my big vented front disc brakes (a requirement for rego - if the engine donor car has vented brakes, so must the recipient car) before being presented for its engineer's certificate. But as it is a 'toy' and not a daily driver, there's no great rush.
Depsite the fact the Faaaaastback is not yet 'engineered', it is driveable and has shocked a few 'fully sick' WRX and 200SX owners during a few brief 'test' sojourns around Sydney's Western Suburbs.
With around 200kW from the upgraded WRX engine versus maybe 40kW from the stock 1600 and standard 165 tyres and stock brakes, forgive us for not driving it further yet.
I reckon that, as you so eloquently tagged it :puke is a "result"... How's your car running and handling, JVL? Do tell!
ANNNNYYHOW....
Jak, have you discovered what the noise/damage/whatever is yet? What can Macca and I look forward to when he takes it to Wakefield??!!
nn[ Edited on 27-9-2005 by VWCOOL ]
Glenn,handling is fine now,new Ecu coming.JVL
VWCOOL ·
Jak Rizzo wrote:Hope he's changed the cheese cutters! With those driving lights on the front its the perfect sleeper! I really like it.
regards
Jak
We're putting Falken Azenis on it when we do the brakes... when my machinist gets off his arse
Yes, it does look kinda... innocent and cute doesn't it!
boof2332 ·
Thats me...innocent and cute!
I need to move up the coast or out west where the amount of fully sick cars is significantly greater than round here. Looking looking although nothing worth talking about....Jak however slowly putts to drop his boy to school and pick up some milk and has 3 races with worthy contenders.
Put my lap top in tonight....its a mini laptop and I have disconnected the screen so it folds back on itself and wired in the car...looks like a dvd player, although I have all the microtech gauges on the screen....looks cool and slides away under the dash in the brackets I made.
No leaks from the new sump I made either....might stop smelling like an old 1500 now.
Matt
ricola ·
Jak,
Sounds like piston slap to me, in the UK there was a big problem with MY98 engines from this and your symptoms sound very familiar! It was all do do with the piston skirt design which they shortened at the same time as a new low friction coating but the skirts didn't guide the piston well enough until the temperatures/expansion had stabilised.
boof2332 wrote:No leaks from the new sump I made either....might stop smelling like an old 1500 now.
Got any pics of this one Matt? How did you shorten the pick up tube? I'd MIG weld it but for some reason I'm worried about leaks..
Richnn[ Edited on 27-9-05 by ricola ]
jvl054 ·
boof2332 wrote:Thats me...innocent and cute!
I need to move up the coast or out west where the amount of fully sick cars is significantly greater than round here. Looking looking although nothing worth talking about....Jak however slowly putts to drop his boy to school and pick up some milk and has 3 races with worthy contenders.
Put my lap top in tonight....its a mini laptop and I have disconnected the screen so it folds back on itself and wired in the car...looks like a dvd player, although I have all the microtech gauges on the screen....looks cool and slides away under the dash in the brackets I made.
No leaks from the new sump I made either....might stop smelling like an old 1500 now.
Matt
Well done you cutie.....JVLRacing
1303Steve ·
Hi
Ive heard that the lifters were a problem in early motors
Steve
boof2332 ·
I cut the pick up tube and had my plumber flange one side then braize the two together. Worked a treat.
Matt
VWCOOL ·
1303Steve wrote:Hi
Ive heard that the lifters were a problem in early motors
Steve
I had a mate with a turbo Vortex. 450,000km on it - until the lifters died. We pulled the old engine apart one day (import engien fitted) and the rings and liners/block were 100 percent. No measureable wear and you could still see the hone marks...