I am looking for a bug with a ball joint front end, and IRS in the rear.... What year/s should I be looking at ?
will they have disk breaks in the front, and 4 stud bolt pattern ?
Indi ·
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ball joint front, and IRS in the rear ???
https://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/threads/50531/ball-joint-front-and-irs-in-the-rear
Bizarre ·
Generally speaking you are after a 1976 pan
It was the only one to be
* IRS
* ball joint beam
* disc brakes
* manual
* 4 stud
The "preferred" choice is a semi auto pan which is as above but needs a clutch tube put in.
The benefit is it is pre 1973 and ADR an all that
It was the only one to be
* IRS
* ball joint beam
* disc brakes
* manual
* 4 stud
The "preferred" choice is a semi auto pan which is as above but needs a clutch tube put in.
The benefit is it is pre 1973 and ADR an all that
Indi ·
I am looking at one at the moment that has a ball joint front end, and IRS in the rear however its a 5 stud....Would that be a 68 - 71 ?
Bizarre ·
Ok - out of my depth
i could be a Suth Efricun import or more likely modified.
Does it have disc brakes??
I thought all ball joints had discs??
Does it have adapters??
i could be a Suth Efricun import or more likely modified.
Does it have disc brakes??
I thought all ball joints had discs??
Does it have adapters??
bajachris88 ·
Hehe.
Mmmm, bj and IRS. Me gots that one. 1969 1500 bug. Has a disk brake front end. Is a semi auto though. (NOT FOR SALE THOUGH). Unless u got an insane trade/offer.
Cause i just luv the lil beauty.
But anywho, purpose of this comment is to say that take a look at the 69s as well as the 76s, semi autos are very easy to convert to full manual if its not ur cup of tea.
😀
Mmmm, bj and IRS. Me gots that one. 1969 1500 bug. Has a disk brake front end. Is a semi auto though. (NOT FOR SALE THOUGH). Unless u got an insane trade/offer.
Cause i just luv the lil beauty.
But anywho, purpose of this comment is to say that take a look at the 69s as well as the 76s, semi autos are very easy to convert to full manual if its not ur cup of tea.
😀
Indi ·
I thought the same that all b/j had disks, the old guy selling it said it has drums...
Indi ·
That is what I thought, but it has a clutch. Could it be a modified semi auto?
Anthiron ·
ive seen drum brake balljoint bugs. a freind had one a while ago.
bajachris88 ·
hmm. My mates got a 68 bug, tis ball joint, has drums. I think the disk brakes came in around 69 and up. Don't hold me on that.
If it has a clutch, then yeah, its not a semi auto. (otherwise it would have a torque converter). The only difference between a manual and a semi auto is just that they apparently don't have a clutch tube nor pedal, and don't have the clutch assembly. All that is needed to convert is to put in a clutch tube, swap a few bits (like the pedal assembly) and replacing the torque convertor + auto tranny with manual gear.
Its not that much of a mod. Only mod is the clutch tube. the rest is just swapping gear.
If it has a clutch, then yeah, its not a semi auto. (otherwise it would have a torque converter). The only difference between a manual and a semi auto is just that they apparently don't have a clutch tube nor pedal, and don't have the clutch assembly. All that is needed to convert is to put in a clutch tube, swap a few bits (like the pedal assembly) and replacing the torque convertor + auto tranny with manual gear.
Its not that much of a mod. Only mod is the clutch tube. the rest is just swapping gear.
Craig Torrens ·
Have you physically looked at it, or just discussing to buy it ?Indi wrote:I am looking at one at the moment that has a ball joint front end, and IRS in the rear however its a 5 stud....Would that be a 68 - 71 ?
A lot of people call swingaxle beetles IRS as they are not aware of the differences.
ragged ·
Australian 1300 type 1 '68 onwards had ball joint front end with drum brakes and swing axle rear end. All 4 stud.
Europe and USA had ball joint front and 5 stud drums around '65-'66
Hope this helps!
Cheers Dave
Europe and USA had ball joint front and 5 stud drums around '65-'66
Hope this helps!
Cheers Dave
Indi ·
I haven't seen it. The guy had no idea, so I had him look at the front and rear and explain what he saw---
he saw the "boomerang shape" of the ball joint---- and the "cylinder that goes through the spring plate, and sticks out a few inches..."
he saw the "boomerang shape" of the ball joint---- and the "cylinder that goes through the spring plate, and sticks out a few inches..."
Craig Torrens ·
so it's probably a king/link front, swing axle rear beetle............................sorry for the bad news!
bond ·
like what rugged said - i bought a 73 1300 standard with bj front end with drums and swingaxle.
Joel ·
this is just a rough guide from memory so correct me if im wrong
from 68 to early 70 only 1 bug was availble the 1500 in manual and semi auto
both had 4 stud disc brakes but only semi auto was irs
from early 70 vw sold 2 beetles the 1300 pov model it had drum front brakes and swing axle it ran till early 75 and the deluxe beetle till 12/70 was the 1500 which got replaced in 1/71 by 1600 superbug S which got replaced by 1600 superbug L in early 73
2 parts beetles i used were 12/70 1500 and a 1/71 Sbug the vins were 26 apart, both have gone to beetle heaven now
hth Joel
from 68 to early 70 only 1 bug was availble the 1500 in manual and semi auto
both had 4 stud disc brakes but only semi auto was irs
from early 70 vw sold 2 beetles the 1300 pov model it had drum front brakes and swing axle it ran till early 75 and the deluxe beetle till 12/70 was the 1500 which got replaced in 1/71 by 1600 superbug S which got replaced by 1600 superbug L in early 73
2 parts beetles i used were 12/70 1500 and a 1/71 Sbug the vins were 26 apart, both have gone to beetle heaven now
hth Joel
helterskelter400 ·
it is completly correct to call swingaxle rear end irs... it is indepandant rear suspension... but it is only single joint per side not the two links per side like "irs". 🤪
Craig Torrens ·
yeah , but I bet it wasn't five stud like this one is.bond wrote:like what rugged said - i bought a 73 1300 standard with bj front end with drums and swingaxle.
bond ·
true dat craig!!!!