http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/lifecynical.php
watch through all of it when u got a spare minute.
bajachris88 ·
Aussieveedubbers · General Chit Chat
This is so tru
https://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/threads/53334/this-is-so-tru
bond ·
good watch chris - now we must go back to study....
nick
nick
bajachris88 ·
lol, how did u know thats what i was suppose to be doing?
:o
Tis what i am suppose to be doing, hehe. God a dang history exam on monday. then i'm on holidays. (I got a big sigh of relief building up, just can't release it till monday arvo)
:o
Tis what i am suppose to be doing, hehe. God a dang history exam on monday. then i'm on holidays. (I got a big sigh of relief building up, just can't release it till monday arvo)
Wild1 ·
that one's one of my favorites, along with
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/demented.php
although i doubt any of you are that bored that you could watch all of it :P
warning: the above link will cause severe damage to you IQ
[ Edited on 15.6.2006 by Wild1 ]
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/demented.php
although i doubt any of you are that bored that you could watch all of it :P
warning: the above link will cause severe damage to you IQ
[ Edited on 15.6.2006 by Wild1 ]
bajachris88 ·
lol, that is wicked. My little 3 yr old bro was pissin' himself, hehe.
There are alot of favs i have on that sight, used to watch em through the yrs during high school and the boring classes. One of my all time favs is that one about the end of the world.
There are alot of favs i have on that sight, used to watch em through the yrs during high school and the boring classes. One of my all time favs is that one about the end of the world.
pete wood ·
Sorry to rain all your parade, but all the things he's wanting us to fix are just symptomatic of a much bigger problem.
bajachris88 ·
tru.
hmm, u mean hte problem of human nature as a whole?
Lol, i shouldn't get myself involved in philosophical discussion, usually where i get people pissed some how. hehe.
hmm, u mean hte problem of human nature as a whole?
Lol, i shouldn't get myself involved in philosophical discussion, usually where i get people pissed some how. hehe.
Wild1 ·
Do you mean this one? 😀bajachris88 wrote:One of my all time favs is that one about the end of the world.
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/flash/endofworld.html
bajachris88 ·
lol, yes :P
LURV IT!
LURV IT!
Schmoburger ·
Yes...stay out of philosophical discussion... we arent allowed to think in public! 😂 :Pbajachris88 wrote:tru.
hmm, u mean hte problem of human nature as a whole?
Lol, i shouldn't get myself involved in philosophical discussion, usually where i get people pissed some how. hehe.
bajachris88 ·
lol, any winging, whether it be philosophy or wateva gets me in trouble Hehe.
Sometimes its best to put up and shut up. :P Pity the lessons are learnt after the situation (stupid life) 😂
Sometimes its best to put up and shut up. :P Pity the lessons are learnt after the situation (stupid life) 😂
Schmoburger ·
You are learning grasshopper! :bounce 👍 😂
Wild1 ·
hah! i hear ya Chris.. last time i played devil's advocate in class the whole class took me seriously and wanted to bite my head off :duh
Uboat ·
Schmoburger wrote:You are learning grasshopper! :bounce 👍 😂
Know the experience!
bond ·
chris - go and study!
nick
nick
Uboat ·
Wild1 wrote:hah! i hear ya Chris.. last time i played devil's advocate in class the whole class took me seriously and wanted to bite my head off :duh
How insecure were they?
bond ·
german uboat out of nowhere! love it :thumb
nick
nick
Schmoburger ·
HAHAHHAAHAHAHAH...bond, bond, bond... that was sooo bad it was funny! 😂 👍
Uboat ·
Mr Bond ...U win a nite with Miss Moneypenny!bond wrote:german uboat out of nowhere! love it :thumb
nick
bajachris88 ·
wateva floats his boat 😂
dont' worry bond, am studying 😉
Its good to have someone keep me at it though, seriously. Cause i was distracted.
[ Edited on 16/6/2006 by bajachris88 ]
dont' worry bond, am studying 😉
Its good to have someone keep me at it though, seriously. Cause i was distracted.
[ Edited on 16/6/2006 by bajachris88 ]
Wild1 ·
yup, it's pretty easy to get distracted chris :P
.....did someone mention Ms Moneypenny?
.....did someone mention Ms Moneypenny?
Volkswagenboy ·
I'm guilty of it! IT WAS SO AWSOME, yet so... demented...Wild1 wrote:although i doubt any of you are that bored that you could watch all of it :P
I watched the whole half hour (I think)!!
-Staggers.
Wild1 ·
hah! I've actually watched all 45min of it a few times, it's the most demented thing I've come across.. and I love it! 😂
bajachris88 ·
no different from the normal free tv we gotz 😂
Its all rooted, hehe. I only eva watched the first 10 seconds of it, but sat down and watched about 20, before i had to go. My lil' 3 yr old brother was wetting himself in laughter.
Whoeva made it must have been really bord, Hehe.
Its all rooted, hehe. I only eva watched the first 10 seconds of it, but sat down and watched about 20, before i had to go. My lil' 3 yr old brother was wetting himself in laughter.
Whoeva made it must have been really bord, Hehe.
pete wood ·
ah what the heck, let's rattle people's cages a bit. I'm feeling a bit frisky :bouncebajachris88 wrote:tru.
hmm, u mean hte problem of human nature as a whole?
Lol, i shouldn't get myself involved in philosophical discussion, usually where i get people pissed some how. hehe.
Now to answer your question Chris...
It's not the problem of human nature.
The problem is, we are not as we were intended to be. Humans don't live according to their nature.
There you go, chew on that for a while.
bajachris88 ·
Hehe, debate can be fun :P
I have to agree, being a student of a topic in relation to humans modding their nature. We have none! Do we? :S its interesting, people base the last 100 yrs of humans crappiness to the world as human nature without any review of previous human culture.
what about traditional aboriginals, they were good when it came to the environment and protection of it.
hope i get the right jist and nibblin abit on it.
I have to agree, being a student of a topic in relation to humans modding their nature. We have none! Do we? :S its interesting, people base the last 100 yrs of humans crappiness to the world as human nature without any review of previous human culture.
what about traditional aboriginals, they were good when it came to the environment and protection of it.
hope i get the right jist and nibblin abit on it.
Volkswagenboy ·
DON'T SAY THE ZEEKY WORD!!!
-Staggers.
P.S: 45 Minutes?? Longer than I thought!
-Staggers.
P.S: 45 Minutes?? Longer than I thought!
Wild1 ·
I'm not so sure about if humans were intended to 'be' anything. If we were as we're supposedly intended to be, then we'd perpetually be in the status quo. In other words, we'd forever be nomadic hunters & gatherers.pete wood wrote:The problem is, we are not as we were intended to be. Humans don't live according to their nature.
If there is a God and he created us to be like that, what purpose does that serve? Are we the goldfish bowl on the almighty's office desk, there for him to stare at when he wants to space out from the workday boredom?:bounce
bajachris88 ·
or r we scum under a big boot :jesus
soz, random craziness kicked in. 😀
soz, random craziness kicked in. 😀
Wild1 ·
hehe, personally I don't believe in a God.. why would any god let humans create something like this?!:P
bajachris88 ·
lol. why would god create alot of idiots out there.
haha, reminds me of the simpsons, "As for the case God Vs. Science, i declare a restraining order. God must remain 100 metres from science" hehe. of howeva it went.
I personally believe there is more to life than what we see, whether it be God or 8 armed elephant heads, lol. More to what we see. But ay, Lets not go there, lol, HUGE DEBATE that would spark and be frivaless, Lol.
God Vs science, lol, thats a battle i would luv to see!
haha, reminds me of the simpsons, "As for the case God Vs. Science, i declare a restraining order. God must remain 100 metres from science" hehe. of howeva it went.
I personally believe there is more to life than what we see, whether it be God or 8 armed elephant heads, lol. More to what we see. But ay, Lets not go there, lol, HUGE DEBATE that would spark and be frivaless, Lol.
God Vs science, lol, thats a battle i would luv to see!
Wild1 ·
me too chris! 😂bajachris88 wrote:God Vs science, lol, thats a battle i would luv to see!
I'd be open to new ideas, but I find all the religions way too restrictive. Being able to think for yourself is something that too many people don't want to do for some reason :S
I like the idea of the 8 armed elephant heads though.:P
pete wood ·
undoubtedly, that car is one of the best indicators of the presence of evil in this world. 😀Wild1 wrote:hehe, personally I don't believe in a God.. why would any god let humans create something like this?!:P
I don't think you can deny that evil seems to be at odds with the way thing should work. I mean it doesn't seem right that your friends should die of cancer. It doesn't seem right that our VWs wears out and rusts...we all know that is not right. 👍
BTW, The whole "Science VS God" debate is a red hering.
If God is really God, then he is God over all creation and that means he is the God of science too. Chew on that one...😉
Wild1 ·
So things only make sense if there is no God, for then it will not be in conflict with what has been proven true...😁pete wood wrote:BTW, The whole "Science VS God" debate is a red hering.
If God is really God, then he is God over all creation and that means he is the God of science too. Chew on that one...😉
pete wood ·
No More like this...
At some level you have to explain where things come from and how they work. There are all sorts of ways of doing this, the bible for instance, is one way and the science is another.
However, science and the bible are designed to give different sorts of information, so at many levels they actually don't disagree, because they are seeking answer different questions.
The issues of God and his control over the world is generally about the WHYs rather than the HOWs. Science wants to know, "HOW do things work?" Not so much, WHY things work. Scientific method can only ever show you known processes and the statistical chance of them happening again. So science can tell you HOW human beings occur and grow (well to a certain extent anyway), but God can tell you WHY we exist to begin with.
So you see, they are not at odds with each other, they have completely different tasks. It's just that some people have agendas and use one or the other as ammunition for attacking other's positions.
As a Christian, I agree with a lot things the scientific community has to say. But even if I disagree, it's generally more about theories they pursue rather than the raw data they use to assemble them with. Science is good, it's blessed us in many ways. Engineering, medicine, the list goes on...but there are limits to what science can do.
So in short....
Science can only tell you HOW things happened (and to a limited extent), it can't make sense of them or tell you WHY. 😉
[ Edited on 19-6-06 by pete wood ]
At some level you have to explain where things come from and how they work. There are all sorts of ways of doing this, the bible for instance, is one way and the science is another.
However, science and the bible are designed to give different sorts of information, so at many levels they actually don't disagree, because they are seeking answer different questions.
The issues of God and his control over the world is generally about the WHYs rather than the HOWs. Science wants to know, "HOW do things work?" Not so much, WHY things work. Scientific method can only ever show you known processes and the statistical chance of them happening again. So science can tell you HOW human beings occur and grow (well to a certain extent anyway), but God can tell you WHY we exist to begin with.
So you see, they are not at odds with each other, they have completely different tasks. It's just that some people have agendas and use one or the other as ammunition for attacking other's positions.
As a Christian, I agree with a lot things the scientific community has to say. But even if I disagree, it's generally more about theories they pursue rather than the raw data they use to assemble them with. Science is good, it's blessed us in many ways. Engineering, medicine, the list goes on...but there are limits to what science can do.
So in short....
Science can only tell you HOW things happened (and to a limited extent), it can't make sense of them or tell you WHY. 😉
[ Edited on 19-6-06 by pete wood ]
Wild1 ·
Very true, and I completely agree on that point.pete wood wrote:So in short....
Science can only tell you HOW things happened (and to a limited extent), it can't make sense of them or tell you WHY. 😉
It's just my personal opinion (and feel free to attack it, it's always a bit of fun 😀), but if you look at the history of religions, they all aim to do one thing - explain that which we do not know. So essetially they were created to complement science, for that which science could not explain, they used religion.
Many may laugh at earlier religions, as they seemed nonsensical, but this is only because they aimed to explain things which were not known, but we assume to be common knowledge today. It is in human nature to be afraid of the unknown, so religions of some kind were inevitable and existent at pretty much every stage of human development.
I personally do not believe in any particular religion as I find it restrictive, especially as every religion has some form of 'sin' or something which is frowned upon. This is especially evident in the Catholic Church's views on contraception (and I'll admit that most of the seven deadly sins are great fun :P).
So I believe (again, only my opinion) that we will be an 'intelligent species' once we get to the point where we no longer need religion, and there will be very little left that is unknown. Although I doubt that we will see that day anytime in the near future.
It also follows therefore, that when a religion clashed with or contradicts science, it is outdated, and we need to come up with a new one more suited to the current situation.
Hmm... maybe that was a can of worms? 🤪
kafer56 ·
Schmoburger ·
I assert that there is a huge brick wall at the end of the universe.... a brick wall with particularly red bricks and particularly white grout....
Beyond this wall is a room painted a pastel yellow, in which can be found a table surrounded by giant mooses resembling Bullwinkle, who sit around said table wearing poker visors, playing cards... 🤪 🤓
Beyond this wall is a room painted a pastel yellow, in which can be found a table surrounded by giant mooses resembling Bullwinkle, who sit around said table wearing poker visors, playing cards... 🤪 🤓
pete wood ·
What you say about religion in primitive societies is true. It was a means to explain things they didn't have the answer for.
What you've said next I find very interesting, cause it's an idea that isn't new.
"when a religion clashed with or contradicts science, it is outdated, and we need to come up with a new one more suited to the current situation." OR get rid of them all together because they are too restrictive.
By the beginning of the 20th century we had most of the great scientific breakthroughs we take for granted today. Then came the 2nd world war. Modernists were appalled at how educated, civilized germans could kill millions of Jews, Gypsies, nuns and monks, priests and people with dissabilities. How could Germans, a country at the centre of Modernism, who understand about science and the world commit such barbaric attrocities?
The answer is this, the problems of this world cannot be fixed by understanding biological, physical and chemical processes better. There is something deeper. So the western world went nuts, rejected antheism and modernisim and we had the 1960's. People rejected the pure science of modernism and went looking for spiritual answers to why the world sucked because modernism and science had failed. That's why all of a sudden in the late 20th century we had new religions in the west like Hari Krishnas and Scientology to name a few. Because people want answers and they know now that science cannot provide those sorts of answers.
P.s. Schmo, stop smoking all that pot. 👎
[ Edited on 19-6-06 by pete wood ]
What you've said next I find very interesting, cause it's an idea that isn't new.
Starting in the 18th and through the 19th and 20th centuries we had what we might call the movement of Atheistic Modernism. This movement used science to push it's barrow. It was based on a few things. One of them was this, "God is not real", "people are basically good", the other was, "evil comes from misunderstanding". Therefore, once we understand nature and science and educate people the world will be what it should be. They then said what you said,Wild1 wrote:So I believe (again, only my opinion) that we will be an 'intelligent species' once we get to the point where we no longer need religion, and there will be very little left that is unknown. Although I doubt that we will see that day anytime in the near future.
It also follows therefore, that when a religion clashed with or contradicts science, it is outdated, and we need to come up with a new one more suited to the current situation.
"when a religion clashed with or contradicts science, it is outdated, and we need to come up with a new one more suited to the current situation." OR get rid of them all together because they are too restrictive.
By the beginning of the 20th century we had most of the great scientific breakthroughs we take for granted today. Then came the 2nd world war. Modernists were appalled at how educated, civilized germans could kill millions of Jews, Gypsies, nuns and monks, priests and people with dissabilities. How could Germans, a country at the centre of Modernism, who understand about science and the world commit such barbaric attrocities?
The answer is this, the problems of this world cannot be fixed by understanding biological, physical and chemical processes better. There is something deeper. So the western world went nuts, rejected antheism and modernisim and we had the 1960's. People rejected the pure science of modernism and went looking for spiritual answers to why the world sucked because modernism and science had failed. That's why all of a sudden in the late 20th century we had new religions in the west like Hari Krishnas and Scientology to name a few. Because people want answers and they know now that science cannot provide those sorts of answers.
P.s. Schmo, stop smoking all that pot. 👎
[ Edited on 19-6-06 by pete wood ]
ruckus ·
Well that was a waste of time!
What a hopelessly put together collection of thin cliches. "And I'd also like to thank the Hubble telescope..."
btw: let's not do the whole 'God' discussion (especially if you're going to refer to it as 'he'). It's almost impossible to resolve as it's not an authentic debate. Christians aren't willing to be persuaded, merely to reinforce their own views or use the wild card 'faith' when things get hairy. Next thing you'll be ending it with: "I'm entitled to my opinion".
What a hopelessly put together collection of thin cliches. "And I'd also like to thank the Hubble telescope..."
btw: let's not do the whole 'God' discussion (especially if you're going to refer to it as 'he'). It's almost impossible to resolve as it's not an authentic debate. Christians aren't willing to be persuaded, merely to reinforce their own views or use the wild card 'faith' when things get hairy. Next thing you'll be ending it with: "I'm entitled to my opinion".
bajachris88 ·
We will never know the universe, and a million of sciences greatest discoveries are only theories, not facts. 😀
WHo knows. Lol.
Where were we.... haha!!!
i luv it when it goes into some unpredictable tangent, LUV IT!
WHo knows. Lol.
Where were we.... haha!!!
i luv it when it goes into some unpredictable tangent, LUV IT!
Schmoburger ·
MOOOOOOOOSEEEEEESSS!!!!!!!!!!!
bajachris88 ·
Just got electricuted on the left hand. working desperately in the rain with an angle grinder, NOT KOOL! But it was shaking wildly, and the rest of the body was alright, was looking at it, and was like wtf. so cause it wouldnt' let go, it shuck off, and i turned it off, and took a break. Lesson learned.
This was all so quick, i wasn't that slow to release, hehe. God i'm desperate. am pissed off right now, mum told me to cut it out cause lil' bro is gonna go for a sleep (sigh)
This was all so quick, i wasn't that slow to release, hehe. God i'm desperate. am pissed off right now, mum told me to cut it out cause lil' bro is gonna go for a sleep (sigh)
Schmoburger ·
Hmmmm...I'd give you my condolences Chris..... but we were taught in pre-school that water and electricity don't mix... soooo... HAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....CHRIS GOT AN ELECTRIC SHOOOCK...HAHAHAHAA...SUCKED IN!!!!! 😂 😁
On a different tangent mate... you weren't actually *electrocuted*, you merely recieved an electric shock.
If you were *electrocuted*, we wouldnt know about it, as the proper definition of electrocution is actual DEATH by electric shock. 👍 🤓
On a different tangent mate... you weren't actually *electrocuted*, you merely recieved an electric shock.
If you were *electrocuted*, we wouldnt know about it, as the proper definition of electrocution is actual DEATH by electric shock. 👍 🤓
bajachris88 ·
lol, smart ass! Haha.
yeah, was taking on a few sparks :vader
lol, no not really, wasn't that nutty. But ay, they don't mix, just shows u how desperate i am to work on the little bugger though. i'm a nut case! 😂
yeah, was taking on a few sparks :vader
lol, no not really, wasn't that nutty. But ay, they don't mix, just shows u how desperate i am to work on the little bugger though. i'm a nut case! 😂
Schmoburger ·
Nope.... I'm a nutcase...your an idiot! 😂 :kiss
modulus ·
pete wood ·
nothin worth watching so I switched it off 😁
Ruckus, that's a whole lot of cranky you got there. do you need a hug? :kiss
Chris, only idiots and experienced tradesmen use power tools in the wet. which one are you? no let me guess...:duh
Ruckus, that's a whole lot of cranky you got there. do you need a hug? :kiss
Chris, only idiots and experienced tradesmen use power tools in the wet. which one are you? no let me guess...:duh
bajachris88 ·
It was under the firewall, so it wasn't getting soaked, just moisture. but took a split second to move it out and the run off from the rain going down the side of the bug went on it. there after, i used it for another 3 hrs, in the wet, freezing, wearing nothing bug a light shirt and stubbies, and was no trouble. The plug was elevated off the ground (was already), hooked on the firewall away from water. The extension cable was water proof quality, as it was used during camping. I didn't go in half assed!! Hehe
It was just an acident. tomorrow i need to work out a shelter for it for me to work under.
[ Edited on 20/6/2006 by bajachris88 ]
It was just an acident. tomorrow i need to work out a shelter for it for me to work under.
[ Edited on 20/6/2006 by bajachris88 ]
Schmoburger ·
no plug is waterproof... some will make it harder for water to get into...but it isnt expected you will use it in the rain if at all avoidable.
and just because the cord is water-resistant, doesnt mean the tool is. 🤓
So your still an idiot! 😂
powertool + water + chris=...
and just because the cord is water-resistant, doesnt mean the tool is. 🤓
So your still an idiot! 😂
powertool + water + chris=...
Schmoburger ·
bajachris88 ·
lol, can u see my bug in there? its somewhere in there hehe.
Well, lesson learned. the plugs and grinder were sheltered, it was just when i took it out for that split second. but nothing major happened, thats all that matters. My brain and common sense is sludge after finally completing my assignments and exam.
You can't blame it for being switched off can ya? hehe.
Well, lesson learned. the plugs and grinder were sheltered, it was just when i took it out for that split second. but nothing major happened, thats all that matters. My brain and common sense is sludge after finally completing my assignments and exam.
You can't blame it for being switched off can ya? hehe.
Schmoburger ·
Nope...the bug aint there...ya know why???.. cos it just fell through the roof of my living room! 😂
helbus ·
I am concerned about what may happen when you start welding Chris?
bajachris88 ·
I wouldn't dare use on in the rain. was only thinking that earlier.
hey, for some reason, when i was grinding, i came across this brass metal on the steel in the rear. what is it?
hey, for some reason, when i was grinding, i came across this brass metal on the steel in the rear. what is it?
Uboat ·
pete wood wrote:What you say about religion in primitive societies is true. It was a means to explain things they didn't have the answer for.
# Nothing has changed..today religion still expects you to have 'faith' in what they don't have the answers for.
Ponder on this...........christianity came into existence after/during the advent of 'Christ'and on his death/departure the church of Rome (Catholicism) became the pall bearer of christianity and all the numerous 'christian' churches in existence today are DISSIDENT offsprings of Catholicism.
So if we now are expected to believe that all the 'breakaway' (from the first..catholicism) christian beliefs/religions are ALL legitimate upholders of the 'word of god' and as they all have varing beliefs on issues ranging from birth control to homosexuality to blood transfusions and stem cell research, let alone the issue of abortion just to mention a few.......THEN its definetely time for the second coming because its all a bit of a joke and we definetely need a higher authority to sort out this man made mess of selfserving confusion.
" OR get rid of them all together because they are too restrictive.
# Isn't that what 'some' christian religions have been doing...ie 'church attendences have fallen heaps'...lets Ok homosexuallity and we will fill the pews'....take away the restrictions!
By the beginning of the 20th century we had most of the great scientific breakthroughs we take for granted today.
# Nope....Most have occured in the last 50/60 years (after or during) the 2nd world war....and the scientific break throughs that are on the horizon due to computer technology and the cracking of the DNA code are going to 'blow' us into a 'brave new world' few can imagine.
Then came the 2nd world war. Modernists were appalled at how educated, civilized germans could kill millions of Jews, Gypsies, nuns and monks, priests and people with dissabilities. How could Germans, a country at the centre of Modernism, who understand about science and the world commit such barbaric attrocities?
# (Not an excuse or justification but a fact) BUT maybe about now you should mention the humiliating treaty of Versailes and how in order to create a 'light at the end of the tunnel' most politicians/political parties create 'scape goats' in order to justify/further their cause.....ambitions..
The answer is this, the problems of this world cannot be fixed by understanding biological, physical and chemical processes better. There is something deeper. So the western world went nuts, rejected antheism and modernisim and we had the 1960's. People rejected the pure science of modernism and went looking for spiritual answers to why the world sucked because modernism and science had failed.
#Hey didn't you just say..
"By the beginning of the 20th century we had most of the great scientific breakthroughs we take for granted today.".....
#So if these scientific breakthroughs are a failure (incuding the invention of the VW 😏)......what have been the 'wonderous' achievements of christianity in the last 100 years?
That's why all of a sudden in the late 20th century we had new religions in the west like Hari Krishnas and Scientology to name a few.
Because people want answers and they know now that science cannot provide those sorts of answers.
#So can we conclude (and if not why not) that the 'OLD' religions (ie christianity) were not able to provide 'the' answers and thats why some people went searching for 'the' answers at the doors of the 'new religions'?
#Fact: christianity is not the oldest kid on the block.....but it has been one of the most arrogant and cultural destructive.....read your history if you don't believe me.
[ Edited on 19-6-06 by pete wood ]
Volkswagenboy ·
Brass=brazed panels.
-Staggers.
-Staggers.
bajachris88 ·
ah, and wats brazing for? Tis the stuff used to reweld panels?
Volkswagenboy ·
Brazing is what's also done with an Oxy Acet.
-Staggers.
-Staggers.
Schmoburger ·
OMG I THOUGHT IT WAS STRANGE YOU MANAGED TO GET INTO BA!!!! OMGOMGOMG IT'S [i'll let youse all do the math] 😂Uboat wrote:pete wood wrote:What you say about religion in primitive societies is true. It was a means to explain things they didn't have the answer for.
# Nothing has changed..today religion still expects you to have 'faith' in what they don't have the answers for.
Ponder on this...........christianity came into existence after/during the advent of 'Christ'and on his death/departure the church of Rome (Catholicism) became the pall bearer of christianity and all the numerous 'christian' churches in existence today are DISSIDENT offsprings of Catholicism.
So if we now are expected to believe that all the 'breakaway' (from the first..catholicism) christian beliefs/religions are ALL legitimate upholders of the 'word of god' and as they all have varing beliefs on issues ranging from birth control to homosexuality to blood transfusions and stem cell research, let alone the issue of abortion just to mention a few.......THEN its definetely time for the second coming because its all a bit of a joke and we definetely need a higher authority to sort out this man made mess of selfserving confusion.
" OR get rid of them all together because they are too restrictive.
# Isn't that what 'some' christian religions have been doing...ie 'church attendences have fallen heaps'...lets Ok homosexuallity and we will fill the pews'....take away the restrictions!
By the beginning of the 20th century we had most of the great scientific breakthroughs we take for granted today.
# Nope....Most have occured in the last 50/60 years (after or during) the 2nd world war....and the scientific break throughs that are on the horizon due to computer technology and the cracking of the DNA code are going to 'blow' us into a 'brave new world' few can imagine.
Then came the 2nd world war. Modernists were appalled at how educated, civilized germans could kill millions of Jews, Gypsies, nuns and monks, priests and people with dissabilities. How could Germans, a country at the centre of Modernism, who understand about science and the world commit such barbaric attrocities?
# (Not an excuse or justification but a fact) BUT maybe about now you should mention the humiliating treaty of Versailes and how in order to create a 'light at the end of the tunnel' most politicians/political parties create 'scape goats' in order to justify/further their cause.....ambitions..
The answer is this, the problems of this world cannot be fixed by understanding biological, physical and chemical processes better. There is something deeper. So the western world went nuts, rejected antheism and modernisim and we had the 1960's. People rejected the pure science of modernism and went looking for spiritual answers to why the world sucked because modernism and science had failed.
#Hey didn't you just say..
"By the beginning of the 20th century we had most of the great scientific breakthroughs we take for granted today.".....
#So if these scientific breakthroughs are a failure (incuding the invention of the VW 😏)......what have been the 'wonderous' achievements of christianity in the last 100 years?
That's why all of a sudden in the late 20th century we had new religions in the west like Hari Krishnas and Scientology to name a few.
Because people want answers and they know now that science cannot provide those sorts of answers.
#So can we conclude (and if not why not) that the 'OLD' religions (ie christianity) were not able to provide 'the' answers and thats why some people went searching for 'the' answers at the doors of the 'new religions'?
#Fact: christianity is not the oldest kid on the block.....but it has been one of the most arrogant and cultural destructive.....read your history if you don't believe me.
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pete wood ·
Hi Uboat,
you're certainly keen on discussing this then. 🙂
Been reading the Da Vinci code by any chance?
You're right, Christianity is not the newest kid on the block, but it's precursor Judaism is one of the oldest faiths in history.
BTW, before you answer this can you go back and read my other posts, most of what you have asked I dealt with earlier.
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you're certainly keen on discussing this then. 🙂
Been reading the Da Vinci code by any chance?
You're right, Christianity is not the newest kid on the block, but it's precursor Judaism is one of the oldest faiths in history.
BTW, before you answer this can you go back and read my other posts, most of what you have asked I dealt with earlier.
[ Edited on 21-6-06 by pete wood ]
pete wood ·
ok, I can see where this debate is heading again. Just like last time. Allow me to short circuit it.
Dan Brown and most other peoples attack on Christianity centres on two things. The bible's authenticity and the people who run the church. We can argue about those infinitem and never come up with an answer. Let me offer a different solution...
Christianity is based on the teaching and life of Jesus. Both of those thing are recorded in the bible, in particular in the gospels. We are told at the beginning of these books, by the authors, why the books have been written. Just like Da Vinci Code. Now many of us read that book and were willing to give it a fair reading and make up our own minds. I suggest the same thing with the bible.
To anyone who is interested, I will email a copy of the gospel of Mark. The second book in the new testament and its not very long. Read through for yourself and decide for yourself. Do you think the people who recorded these events are telling the truth? If they are, what does that mean?
Don't worry about what you have heard elsewhere, just give it a fair reading and decide for yourself. That's all I ask.
u2u me your email if you want a copy of Mark.
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Dan Brown and most other peoples attack on Christianity centres on two things. The bible's authenticity and the people who run the church. We can argue about those infinitem and never come up with an answer. Let me offer a different solution...
Christianity is based on the teaching and life of Jesus. Both of those thing are recorded in the bible, in particular in the gospels. We are told at the beginning of these books, by the authors, why the books have been written. Just like Da Vinci Code. Now many of us read that book and were willing to give it a fair reading and make up our own minds. I suggest the same thing with the bible.
To anyone who is interested, I will email a copy of the gospel of Mark. The second book in the new testament and its not very long. Read through for yourself and decide for yourself. Do you think the people who recorded these events are telling the truth? If they are, what does that mean?
Don't worry about what you have heard elsewhere, just give it a fair reading and decide for yourself. That's all I ask.
u2u me your email if you want a copy of Mark.
[ Edited on 21-6-06 by pete wood ]
bajachris88 ·
Feel free for this discussion. Its interesting.
Cause i went to a catholic school for 12 yrs, we been looking into this stuff for yonks.
Historians have actually found ancient scrolls by the shores of the red sea containing info on the census's that have taken place within that area of the middle east. These census's have actually confirmed Christ's existance.
The plural for census, is is census's ? Neah. u get the drift.
Cause i went to a catholic school for 12 yrs, we been looking into this stuff for yonks.
Historians have actually found ancient scrolls by the shores of the red sea containing info on the census's that have taken place within that area of the middle east. These census's have actually confirmed Christ's existance.
The plural for census, is is census's ? Neah. u get the drift.
pete wood ·
let's not get off track Chris. How bout I email you the stuff.
bajachris88 ·
no worries mate.
Got a few bibles lying around here. What we trying to look for when it comes to Mark in the new testament? (when u send us it?)
they say that all the disciples wrote in different styles about the same thing. Apparently matthew's was the easiest to read, Luke was very.. well i can't remember, but there was something where they told the story through different perspectives.
Got a few bibles lying around here. What we trying to look for when it comes to Mark in the new testament? (when u send us it?)
they say that all the disciples wrote in different styles about the same thing. Apparently matthew's was the easiest to read, Luke was very.. well i can't remember, but there was something where they told the story through different perspectives.
pete wood ·
you have email Chris.
mark is 2nd book in the New Testament.
mark is 2nd book in the New Testament.
bajachris88 ·
cheers Mr. Wood 😀
Will have a read. Bad weather outside, although its good weather to sit and have a read.
Will bring back thoughts when done.
Will have a read. Bad weather outside, although its good weather to sit and have a read.
Will bring back thoughts when done.
bond ·
continually amazed how you can find yourself in a hole chris lol :thumb :thumb
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bajachris88 ·
lol, Unfortunately a part of my character nick, Hehe. I'm a colourful fella who gets into colourful situations, Lol. Well, all unitentionally... Maybe i'm a bit coo coo in the head. Hehe
Hey pete, read the Gospel of Mark u sent me, was a long read. Neva read it all at once before. It was some very interesting material, and its been able 6 months since i have refreshed on it (since i graduated). Thanks for that mate. Bit of a faith booster for me.
The way it is written, the chronology of it all poses very realistic. along with the Dead sea scrolls (with the census, or was it Red Sea?) I was educated about at school in religion.
Christianity is based on Christ, otherwise its Judaism etc.
I know there are alot of non-believers, each to their own though. As long as everyone strives to have respect, morals, love and care for each other, i'm sure the big man (God) would be happy either way, whether they believe or not. Its something we should all strive for inside each other, regardless of beliefs. :kiss
Hey pete, read the Gospel of Mark u sent me, was a long read. Neva read it all at once before. It was some very interesting material, and its been able 6 months since i have refreshed on it (since i graduated). Thanks for that mate. Bit of a faith booster for me.
The way it is written, the chronology of it all poses very realistic. along with the Dead sea scrolls (with the census, or was it Red Sea?) I was educated about at school in religion.
Christianity is based on Christ, otherwise its Judaism etc.
I know there are alot of non-believers, each to their own though. As long as everyone strives to have respect, morals, love and care for each other, i'm sure the big man (God) would be happy either way, whether they believe or not. Its something we should all strive for inside each other, regardless of beliefs. :kiss
bajachris88 ·
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Wild1 ·
well said Chris! Although I'm an Atheist I don't deny that there very well could be a higher power of some form and I think faith is something everyone needs. As long as everyone is accepting and tolerant, there really shouldn't be any reason why everyone can't get along..bajachris88 wrote:I know there are alot of non-believers, each to their own though. As long as everyone strives to have respect, morals, love and care for each other, i'm sure the big man (God) would be happy either way, whether they believe or not. Its something we should all strive for inside each other, regardless of beliefs. :kiss
Although that never quite seems to work in practice..🙁
Uboat ·
##pete wood wrote:Hi Uboat,
you're certainly keen on discussing this then. 🙂
#Maybe!
Been reading the Da Vinci code by any chance?
#yep...but oh so boring, especially the ending!
You're right, Christianity is not the newest kid on the block, but it's precursor Judaism is one of the oldest faiths in history.
# Didn't say it was the 'newest' said Its not the oldest............nor is judaism! But hey what is a religion or belief?
BTW, before you answer this can you go back and read my other posts, most of what you have asked I dealt with earlier.
# Yep , did that, don't believe in tunnel vision. What about Ikea, try and think outside your square!
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pete wood ·
how do you mean try and think outside your square? I own a buggy. 😂 but seriously?