Test peice Kombi 091 gear box ratios ? & more

I have project x under my belt and looking for a selection of kombi gear best suited for the following .

Gear box 091 2ltr kombi gear box

I am lookingh for the best ratios close to the L bug 3.88 box that I can fit in this 091 .


Rs turbo 2ltr second bug

I know I am going to blow the shit out of this motor ( but ) some how I think I may just getr away with it for some time cars light & lots of wheel spin .

any one have any Albern gears about ?

hey neil,
yer ive spoken to a few ppl about albins gears for when my standard box spits some metal, but im still am not satisfied as one guy (i forget who but it was on this site) snapped an albins 1st gear doing a burnout as he missed the water... this is a kombi so more weight but that still gave me the shits, ya dont wana do all that work for a pissweak burnout on bitumen nad snap 1st...

im guna save and get a porsche 914 or 928 just like wicked1 did with his v8, he said the conversion was no trouble too............. something to think about...

wheelspin is fun and may save your box tho, u know the whiole deal dude

were,s the G50 going :thumb

Project X

1 x 091 box
1 x RS turbo donk
1 x Seagull adapter kit
1 x vw pan
1 x Gave this away in a deal ( vw fiberglass buggy body :bounce) guy will know who has it ( simon )

a shed full of bits needing to find a home
kids skate board ( need the little wheels ) 🙂

In the 60ie Malcolm

kevo wrote:hey neil,
yer ive spoken to a few ppl about albins gears for when my standard box spits some metal, but im still am not satisfied as one guy (i forget who but it was on this site) snapped an albins 1st gear doing a burnout as he missed the water... this is a kombi so more weight but that still gave me the shits, ya dont wana do all that work for a pissweak burnout on bitumen nad snap 1st...

im guna save and get a porsche 914 or 928 just like wicked1 did with his v8, he said the conversion was no trouble too............. something to think about...

wheelspin is fun and may save your box tho, u know the whiole deal dude

914 use a 915 box. It's not all that strong. It won't cope with lots of abuse either. The G50 might but it's very exy to begin with and parts are even more exy. The thing you need to remember is this, VW gearboxes have no place to give. In a chassis car the body and suspension takes some of the shock out of big clutch dumps, VWs don't have that luxury. Also, all the weight is over the rear wheels, so the gearbox is taking all that extra resistance of traction provided by rear engined weight distribution. My advice is this, get an albins gearset, but pump your tyres up to 40psi is you want to do burnouts. At least give the gearbox a fighting chance.

You might also like to talk to Kim Garland at Indian Automotive about what he does to keep his gearbox in one piece with a blown V6 driving it. He's only gone through one gearset and crown wheel in about 10 years, and he drives his very hard. To give you an idea, he only muched the gearset cause he was flatchanging it. :puke

Just FYI too, wacked never actually drove the bus with the porsche box in it.

Thats right , he just pulled it apart ?

kim at indian automotive quotes $5500...rancho has some interesting options too...i don't want to do burnouts but i do want to know if my 091 will cope with just the torque applied from a holden v6? oh well if it breaks i'll fix it...$5500 is not expensive compared to...well...what the hell else would i want to drive? 🙁

if you make a engine cradle similiar to porsche you,ll take some of the strain off the gear box get a locally built box unless you can guarantee whats coming out of the states.

gull wrote:Thats right , he just pulled it apart ?

if you can get your hands on a G50 good luck to you it is the way to go $7000 should see one in your hands then you have to get all the bits to make it work
as Pete said speak to Kimm he had had his for years now and gives it a thrashing every day. good luck


for your info guys the reason that old bus of Dougs got pulled apart was because it was a peice of $hit the picture shows a 10mm thick slab of bog that was over the wood thats right wood in the entire roof section, i don't know who done the conversion but they should be shot with a BB gun! there there is no way it would of passed engineering over here, it was a lost cause to rescue that car so i cut my losses.
cheers



[ Edited on 28-6-2006 by wacked1 ]

at lease they used wood I done a resto on a charger and the left&right rear quarters were cardboard and filler your to nice to use a bb some people should be shot with a 50 cal

I have a plan ( I show you in the next few weeks ) :bounce

rocknrob wrote:kim at indian automotive quotes $5500...rancho has some interesting options too...i don't want to do burnouts but i do want to know if my 091 will cope with just the torque applied from a holden v6? oh well if it breaks i'll fix it...$5500 is not expensive compared to...well...what the hell else would i want to drive? 🙁

I had hellbug quote me $6500 6 years ago for a very similar gearbox built by Shimo, so It's not as exy as you might think. And the thing is this, if you buy a Rancho and it breaks, your screwed. I mean how will you get them to honour any sort of waranty here on the other side of the world? I'd also suggest the Rancho might cost a similar amount by the time you paid the exchange rate, freight, import duties and everything else never mentioned. Indian on the other hand actually came up with the ratios for the V6 that Albins now sell. They've done a lot of those conversions and they know what works. One last thing, Rancho build boxes to a price, Kimm build boxes to a standard, BIG difference. You get what you pay for.

I'm pretty sure Aaron (quickcamper) runs albins gears in his 500HP 20B turbo wheelstanding kombi. If they survive that then they are pretty good.

Hey Ron,

I wasnt trying to be critical or anything, just letting the guys know if they were planning on asking you about how the bus drove with the 5 speed that you wouldnt be able to help them out. You did what you had to do, no bad. The bus had only had about 27 owners as it was anyways.

My current bug had a floorpan repair made with a chux rag and a thread tape roll under the bog. Amazing what you can find when you look.

Doug

I spose the answer is not to look then eh? 😁

Um guys I dont give a shit about the bog or rust in your rides .

The post is about gear boxes & lets get back to it Please

here you go, sort out ya gearbox and ya bog at the same time...

A six speed plunger 😁

Love it

Pete get back to work

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915 shifter

[ Edited on 29-6-2006 by malcolm ]

[ Edited on 29-6-2006 by malcolm ]

awesome, what's the uprated 915 box worth?

the shifter is 570us and the box depends howfar do you want to go I got emailed the distributor in sydney but I have to find it .at leased they put their prices upon their site.

pete wood wrote:One last thing, Rancho build boxes to a price, Kimm build boxes to a standard, BIG difference. You get what you pay for.

Rancho will build boxes to any standard you desire and are willing to pay for. However, lots of people demand "Tell me what a box will cost me" (as in this thread!) and Rancho does list some prices on common combinations. Don't take this as an indication that the quoted boxes are the only ones they sell or that they produce an inferior product because they provide information that prospective customers demand.

George

I didn't say they were inferior, I said they build to a price. And my point was this. Kimm at Indian sets his price based on the standard of box he supplies. If Rancho were to supply this standard of box I doubt it would be cheaper than Indian.

The other thing is this. I have noticed, rightly or wrongly, that seems to be an attitude towards gearboxes in the US. They appear to be viewed in the hipo market as consumables. Something you use and abuse and throw away like coke cans. This is not the attitude that Indian has to gearboxes. Did you know Kimm is still using the same 091 casing he was 10 years ago? And this is in a 300hp plus street car that is driven hard everyday of the week. He builds boxes to last, not just a few burnouts, or a half season at the drags, but literally years of hard use.

If you can demostrate that Rancho can provide the same quality for a cheaper price and will honour a warranty from the other side of world with no stuffing around, I'd tell seagull to buy one straight away. Personally, I'd find it hard to see.

Sorry if I have offended you. 🙂


[ Edited on 29-6-06 by pete wood ]

I am building my onw box ( 5 speed auto )

so there talk about that

how much?

sorry I couldn't resist...🤘

thats not a subie auto box don,t they have room to rotate the diff???

The custom made box I am working on is a custom built unit for a off roader class one with a Toyota V 8 .The unit is a 5 speed with a remote select & ( manual valve body ) has a 9 " diff assembly .

There has been one built but that was a full manual has a Vg30 turbo

Its getting costed now

1) main box from bar stock
0r investment cast
I have a factory in Tiwan that does gears , so I have asked them to price the gear cutting & heat treating .+ If they can do it at all .
will be a few weeks before prices come back

I had priced the subaru diff crown wheel & pinon that was US $3800.00 ( auto box ) RS TT

If Rancho were to supply this standard of box I doubt it would be cheaper than Indian. [/quote]

I'd say that you are probably correct by the time the box is in your hands. Once you get into the rarified air of "bulletproof" the prices ratchet way up. Pretty soon, you're in the Mendeola range. Rancho has an excellent reputation for their custom-built transaxles. If you'd like the names of a couple of less-regarded US outfits to chew on I can provide them. 🙂

pete wood wrote:The other thing is this. I have noticed, rightly or wrongly, that seems to be an attitude towards gearboxes in the US. They appear to be viewed in the hipo market as consumables. Something you use and abuse and throw away like coke cans.

I don't think that it is a "US" attitude. It's an individual attitude. I've seem folks on this list making statements like "I'll just run this box until it breaks 'cause I have three more boxes just like it sitting in the shed..." I cringe when I see that, cause they just aren't making those VW boxes anymore!

pete wood wrote:If you can demostrate that Rancho can provide the same quality for a cheaper price and will honour a warranty from the other side of world with no stuffing around, I'd tell seagull to buy one straight away. Personally, I'd find it hard to see.

Cheaper price? Maybe, due to proximity to the SoCal hipo scene. However, it wouldn't be so much cheaper as to be worth the hassle of shipping. There is a lot of value to cultivating local sources with breakable things like this.

George

Thanx George. I didn't think we were that far apart in our thinking.

I particularly resonate with the last comment.

There is a lot of value to cultivating local sources with breakable things like this.

The other thing is, if you buy everything in from OS and don't support local shops, you end up with no local shops and no one local who can help you in a pickle. 😉

pete wood wrote:Thanx George. I didn't think we were that far apart in our thinking.

I particularly resonate with the last comment.

There is a lot of value to cultivating local sources with breakable things like this.

The other thing is, if you buy everything in from OS and don't support local shops, you end up with no local shops and no one local who can help you in a pickle. 😉

Now, having made made that assertion, I'll violate it by asking if you have looked at the Mendeola transaxles. Lots of gearing choices and strength to handle big V8s in off-road applications.

http://www.mendeolatransaxles.com/md4_2d.php

Bad news are the prices, on the order of US$7000+. Still, if you are contemplating spending this sum on beefing up a VW box, why not go to a purpose built box that has eliminated the weak links.

Mendiola would probably love to give someone a dealership on your end of things! 🙂

Neil have you heard of Modena Engineering in vic ph 0397824420 they makes gears sets for anything , diff centres and send all over the world very helpful .cheers malcolm

Malcolm , I have not heard of this place Mate .I will give them a call Monday & have a chat .