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Wondering... Engine for Cortina

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gerbie_rox ·

Hey guys,

I know this aint VW but oh well lol.

What engine you guys reckon wud go nice in a 74 TD cortina? Wanting alot of power but able 2 be regestered.

Cheers

koolkarmakombi ·

try a ford forum

gerbie_rox ·

Know ne good ones?

gerbie_rox ·

It was only a tuesday afternoon wonder,

Just wanted to c what people thought, will try a ford forum

Cheers

[ Edited on 1/8/2006 by gerbie_rox ]

pod ·

302 windsor or nice worked 250 crossflow👍

DUB54V ·

200 SX ENGINE maiket fully sik bro!
duz ferteenz downa da quota mile cuz!🤪

pete wood ·

XR6 turbo motor. 🥷

Fireball xl5 ·

v6 essex 3.0 or v6 cologne 2.8/2.9

Fireball xl5 ·

Take its a mk3?

megalania ·

stock vw 1600. Thats how we roll down here in Melbourne town.😉

VWCOOL ·

www.fordforums.com.au

Put an injected 5.0 Windsor V8 (XR8) in it. Easy fit - legal with other upgrades

5lam ·

13B Turbo rotary...... or maybe a 4.0 Lexus quad cam V8?

Notch Nut ·

390cui big block!! C4 auto & 9" diff a must. Galaxie body optional.
- Adam

gerbie_rox ·

Fireball xl5 wrote:Take its a mk3?
Yea its a mk3.

Good sugestions guys, i like em.

Cheers

71superbug ·

when dad lived in the UK he worked as a mechanic at a place called juff uren motorsport, and they made a prototype of the mark 3 cortina savage, which used the 3L? v6 out of the capri gt i think it was...and on the test run it overtook a ferrari dino at about 140mph.


he did a lot of old racing work as his boss that jeff uren guy or wateva was an ex stock car driver.

Anthony

gerbie_rox ·

KOOL!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers

DubCrazy ·

it really pains me that i know this..... it wasn't a 3.0 it was a 2.8 out of the MK5 crapi oops i mean capri :P it wasnt a gt they never made one even tho so people called ther capris such... they were all injection but a very easy mod to rip out and put carbs in standard form they had great speed and had the potential to be rockets with mods... there was a mob (lister,amg one of them euro lot) that used to do JPS capri that was a bloody speed demon crap round the twisty stuff but all the capris were.... ... as for engines for the old tinas u cant go past the 2 lt crossflowed pintos,cheap easy fit and bags of reliable power



steff.......................

baybuscamperkid ·

for the size of the car i recon a lexus 6 would be a nice cruising engine

71superbug ·

no im pretty sure there was a carby fed 3 litre?

Anthony

seagull ·

Get a SR20 nissan motor & gear box would fit easy .

My mate has 140 rwhp out of his n/a motor .My 3GTE turbo only had 150 rwhp
( light car )

Or just go and get a VG30T like I did , 205 KW all day

Now to fit it in the class 5 off roader

Midlife crisis ·

I had a TE cortina many years ago, and I put a 4.1 6cyd and gearbox out of a falcon in it and worked it a bit and it went real good and as they came with sixers so it was a bolt in, you just use a new engine.

Hope this helps.

Marc

DUB54V ·

about 2 years ago i seen this old guy in a blue met cortina blow away 5 bro's in a wrx with heaps of bass. i pulled up a few lights down beside n asked him whats in it,he said an xr8 motor it sounded awsome.

5lam ·

I thought the mark 1 Capri was a 3L V6.....Could be wrong...

shaihulud ·

Be careful about how heavy the engine that you put into the Cortina is. Be aware that a straight line rocket with a heavy engine will corner like an elephant with greasy hind feet.

The Essex V4 weighs 150 kilos. the Essex V6 weighs 175 kilos and the Rover alloy V8 weighs 145 kilos. The big Falcon 6 made the Cortinas too front heavy. Think of the Holden 3.8 alloy V6. It can't be too heavy and it will have lots of grunt.

71superbug ·

but, holden in ford? come on. lol

but seriously there WAS a 3 litre cortina savage..i know, dad built them..no debating🙂

Anthony

Hertz ·

A twin 44 ida fed 2180 aircooler would be pretty good. Would be unique.

gerbie_rox ·

This is great guys, some great suggestions.

Thanx alot, who knew you could get so many ideas for a ford on a VW forum 😂

Cheers

(if more suggestions please list)

gerbie_rox ·

Btw i read on a site that in aus the cortina was bought out with a "Bonnet Buldging" 4.1L Inline 6.

Wud this be what mine is? or the 3L?

I havnt checked lol.

The reason i ask is that a friend of mine has a cortina as well but his has a diff bonnet design but is still a TD.

Cheers

tassupervee ·

Good thread this.

The GT 3000 V6 Capri was an Oz only build Capri and it had the old Essex V6 innit. This engine was an evolution of the old Zephyr Zodiac V6 which evolved from the old and hideous V4 often found in Transit Vans of the era.
There was also a few V4 Capris made as well.
The V4 engine was a very grunty, oversquare 60Deg V4 that ran with a built in "miss" due to the firing arrangement of a 60deg V4 and required a dirty great balance shaft geared off the crank to prevent the engine from shaking its way out of the engine bay. Yuk!

The beautiful V6 engine was simply a V4 engine with an extra 2 cylinders added to the back end of the engine.
The evidence of this is the un-machined casting holes still in the front 3 beariing webs of all the V6 blocks for the now non-existent balance shaft.
A 60 Degree V6 is a smooth and "balanced" engine config. They had a beautifully "rolling" zorst howl. So much more sophisticated than the straight six shooters of the time or the 90 degree V6's around and Im sure Baja Wes enjoys the sound from his 60 degree Mazda V6 Baja at full noise.
The bore and stroke are commone to both engines and very oversquare at 93 x 72
The engines are largely bullet proof with 2.5" main bearinghs and 2.3" pins. The conrods are simply awesome and everything in the engines reeks of strength and longevity.
All the engine components apart from the (crank of course) are common to both pommie engines.

What made the V6 such a pain was its sheer weight. The block is a very hefty "Y" block affair and the engine weight came in at about 25Lb heavier than a 302 Windsor V8 hence the popular conversion to the Yankee 60 Degree V8.
Another hassle with the engine was the very restrictive head design which greatly limited the engines performance and pretty shabby valve gear in general.

Cosworth came to the rescue here with a set of aluminium DOHC heads that allowed that beautiful engine to rev to insane RPM and produce over 450Hp reliably on mechanical injection.
These were fitted to the famed "Cologne" Capris' of which only a couple made it to Australia. The best known being Allan Moffats Capri That brute of a car so effectively and severely dealt with anything running in sports sedans of the time in cluding Bob Janes famed 600plus HP HQ sport sedan which was mostly unbeateable in its day.
The other car was dropped and its back broken during shipping.
The sound of this thing howling up Amaroo Park main straight is not easily forgotten! Imagine if this thing was let loose at Bathurst?

The 2.6 and 2.8 engines were the German (Cologn) derivatives of the pommie V6 and altho outwardly similar in appearance, had little in common with the pommie engines as far as common components.
However, altho similarly bulletproof in fundamental design, they were far more sophisticated, especially in the head design and produced good power in their later incarnations.
Again tho, the powerplants were very heavy. Couple this with the massive cast iron bellhousing, big and heavy flywheel/clutch assys and the big and clunky Transit van side loaded gearbox fitted at the time made for an extremely heavy car for its size.
This nose heavy setup compromised steering on all the V6's and they were a pig to drive really fast whereas the 4 cylinder Capris were as sweet as!

There was only ever 3 series of the cars commonly known as a "Mk 1, Mk 2 & Mk 3" The mark 3 being the last one and which had the German engines fitted in V6 form.
They were a very smart and agressive looking car and still look very good on the road today. Rare as rocking horse shit as pretty much all of them were imported into Oz as race cars and they have mysteriously dissappeared and precious few made it onto the road. Sadly, the Mk 1 was the only model brought to Oz and the V6 3000 GT was the only model offered here.

There were a couple of rare "E" versions that made it here which were a more up-market (think Berlina!) version.
South Africa had a version with a small capacity V8 which makes it easy to fit a V8 and be legal with Capris hence the popularity of the conversion.

Now after hijacking the thread,
TD 'tinas came with both 200 and 250 CID non-crossflow six shooters as well as the 2000 and 1600 4 bangers.
Same as the Capri tho, the sheer bulk and weight of the bigger engine severly compromised the handling and they were famouse for their ponderous steering, savage initial understeer followed by wild wheelspinning and oversteer on power!
However, they had loads of grunt and as autos, ran almost for ever, a pretty thirsty setup now tho.

Fitting an Essex V6 to a TD would be a waste of time as the engines are as heavy as the six shooter, dont produce any more power unless you really massage them and are as rare as rockinghorse shit now to find actually sans a car!
You can find 250CID engines at the tip or in the bush if you look around. You could certainly get one for peanuts anywhere!
There is plenty of room under the bonnet and you could fit just about anything from the Jap import scene. The list of choices is endless. If you resist the urge to make it a V8 you could get away with no mods at all and be legal.
What about an RB20det Nissan. Cheap as buggery, plentiful, sophisticated and plenty of grunt for a turbo 2 litre 6 shooter, any of the Jap 3 litre V6's? farrrk where do you start?
As mentioned, the mighty Nissan SR20det turbo 4 banger. Pretty popular now so they are a bit exxie in price.

Anyway, I just love the old capris. I owned 6 of them, both 4 bangers and V6's.
A couple of close mates had them and we all got immense pleasure out of having and modifying them.
I only got rid of mine a couple of years ago!
Thats another story!!!!!

L8tr
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Notch Nut ·

The TD 250cui had a buldge in the bonnet to accomodate the air cleaner on the carby. I think the 200cui six cyl had the same bonnet. The flatter bonnet would be for the 122cui 4 cyl (2litre engine.).

Check the engine code on the ID plate (G = 200cui, L = 250cui, J = 122cui).
Transmission codes for 6cyl car S = manual 3spd, L = manual 4spd, Z = Auto 3spd, V = manual 4spd (4cyl only).

My old man had one which he traded his hotted up (rust free!!) FB holden for in the early 80's. The cortina got written off 3 times before it finally (and officially) died in 1993. (Got T-boned by a Jag that was out of the showroom for 2 days - Dad had no insurance either and spent the next 6 years paying for it!) The holden didn't fare much better being written off and killing the driver in the process.

Wish he kept the Holden!
- Adam

gerbie_rox ·

Yeha had a look, its the 250

malcolm ·

nissan RB25 turbo very similar to RB26 used in the GTR,sbut with single turbo or toyota igzu twin turbo

Craig Torrens ·

wow I'm amazed someone hasn't said 'put a subie in it'............'they are SO great and the conversion only cost $800 including the motor' 😁

gerbie_rox ·

Hehe i get enuf boxer engine sound from my subi, i dont need more lol.

DUB54V ·

i was looking at the trading post today and saw a smashed up commodore for sale the car is destroyed but the engine is still untouched
SUPERCHARGED V6...hmmmm would go quick n sound good too with the right exhaust....and he wants offers over 2000 grand.complete car
well sort of.look in the wrecking section.hope this might help.good luck with the tina👍

sinecure ·

Guy in Sydney (I think) in an old car mag I've got has a 20B rotory in an early Cortina.

Scary.

DubCrazy ·

this debat is going slightly off track but there never was a production 3.0 in the uk 2.8 was the biggest, thats not to say people didnt bore and stroke, as for the MK1 the uk only ever saw that in 1.6 and 2.0 4cyl form. never got the V6 unless it was imported or done by someone them selfs(which happened a lot) i still say go the pinto easy easy easy :thumb


steff..................

Notch Nut ·

DUB54V wrote:i was looking at the trading post today and saw a smashed up commodore for sale the car is destroyed but the engine is still untouched
SUPERCHARGED V6...hmmmm would go quick n sound good too with the right exhaust....and he wants offers over 2000 grand.complete car
well sort of.look in the wrecking section.hope this might help.good luck with the tina👍
A Commodore engine in a FORD???!!!:repuke Real Ford drivers would rather push their car than have a Commodore engine in it!!:bounce
It's just wrong. It's like asking Hellbus to stick a Ford Laser engine in his EH!! It's like the poms selling the Nazi's Rolls Royce engines for their Panzer Tanks.:o
It's just not cricket!! Go Warney!!!!:beer

- Adam.

gerbie_rox ·

Lol yar, as much as i like commodore engines, it is unatural to put one in a ford. I cud get Killed for thinking it!! lol

MickH ·

Craig Torrens wrote:wow I'm amazed someone hasn't said 'put a subie in it'............'they are SO great and the conversion only cost $800 including the motor' 😁
And that includes a complete motor rebuild !!!!!😁😁

gerbie_rox ·

Mick H wrote:
Craig Torrens wrote:wow I'm amazed someone hasn't said 'put a subie in it'............'they are SO great and the conversion only cost $800 including the motor' 😁
And that includes a complete motor rebuild !!!!!😁😁
Haha if i could find all that for that price id put one in me UTE lol. as a 12R dosent put out the same as a subi hehe

[ Edited on 3/8/2006 by gerbie_rox ]

Notch Nut ·

gerbie_rox wrote:Lol yar, as much as i like commodore engines, it is unatural to put one in a ford. I cud get Killed for thinking it!! lol
Teheheh. It's not all that uncommon. Most 1930's Ford Hotrods are Chevy powered. Heaps of Holdens/Chevys have ford 9" diffs. Still with the ford/holden rivalry it would be considered a rather odd choice for an engine! It would cause alot of inner conflict during the V8 supercar series!!:vader Alternatively, it could create harmony and balance as either way, you can't lose. Kinda like Feng Shuei for petrol heads!😂

- Adam.

gerbie_rox ·

Hehe yar, but i think sum of my mates wont see it like that lol.

They will try run me off the road! haha.

tassupervee ·

DubCrazy wrote:...... but there never was a production 3.0 in the uk 2.8 was the biggest, thats not to say people didnt bore and stroke, as for the MK1 the uk only ever saw that in 1.6 and 2.0 4cyl form. never got the V6 unless it was imported or done by someone them selfs(which happened a lot) steff..................
Ummmm sorry M8 but wrong and wrong again.
The Mk 1 saw many different models and engine combinations including both "Cologne" (german) and "Essex" (Pommie) V6's ranging from 2 to 3.1 litres in England.
The 3.1 was the famed and desireable RS3100.

Perhaps you might like to read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Capri
or:
http://www.fordcapri.co.uk/
to clarify things for you.
L8tr
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[ Edited on 3/8/06 by tassupervee ]

seagull ·

My subaru only cost $66.66

Got to love the stuff Japs throw away

seagull ·

Nissan SR20 were $50.00

I got two

71superbug ·

dub crazy i know there wasnt one stock as such but they were built and sold.

JEff uren at RAce proved (the shop where dad worked) offered a drive in drive out conversion on the old cortinas, capris, escorts .etc

the conversions he offered are that of the Capri comanche, cortina savage .ryv

look here for more info on the capri and cortina

http://www.classiccortinas.co.uk/mk3/Brochures/raceproved/savage_comanche.jpg

Anthony

CAFFINEPUSHERMAN ·

those cortinas with the 250s in them came with toploader gearboxes which were not overstressed in the 250 combo get one of these babies with a 347 stroker windsor and put in a 9in and the shitter should pull high 12 s straight out the box

71superbug ·

can anyone say xr6T conversion?, keeping it ford, huge power, hude possibilities for modifying, wouldnt be too heavy i dont imagine....cant complain really can ya


Anthony

tassupervee ·

CAFFINEPUSHERMAN wrote:those cortinas with the 250s in them came with toploader gearboxes which were not overstressed in the 250 combo get one of these babies with a 347 stroker windsor and put in a 9in and the shitter should pull high 12 s straight out the box
Toploader?? neh!
hehehehehe they were fitted with just a cruddy single rail thing, top loaded yes but not a top loader!!
Wouldnt last too long behind a tough V8 aiming for 12's LOL!
L8tr
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Kimbo ·

DubCrazy - as an old Essex boy from just up the road from the Dagenham Ford factory, I beg to differ mate, the Mk1 Capri came with a 1300 (in-line 4), 1600 (in-line 4), 2000 (in-line 4) and 3000 (V6) as standard offerings; then there was the Mk1 face-lift version, which had the same body/engines but different lights and interior; the Mk2 had the same engines, but reworked for more power with a different bodyshell; it wasn't until the Mk3 (compeletely new bodyshell) that the 2.8 V6 came, but early versions of the Mk 3 did have the 3000 available.

Kimbo ·

... sorry forgot about the RS3100 that tass mentioned. I agree with his earlier sentiments as well, v. good in a straight line, but going around corners became "interesting", especially in the wet. A few guys that I knew with 3000's had either lowered the rear to shift the centre of gravity back (which was totally contrary to the very popular trend of jacking them up to the sky with shackle extensions), or carried ballast in the trunk to add weight over the rear.

gerbie_rox ·

seagull wrote:My subaru only cost $66.66

Got to love the stuff Japs throw away
Geez u must know sum people or sumfin cause the offers i find are around like the $900 mark, thats the cheapest i have found

gerbie_rox ·

What im aiming for is sumthin that will blow away the ricer kids around here.
To many of em here!!!!!!!
Grrrrrrrrrr

lol

Cheers

Notch Nut ·

gerbie_rox wrote:What im aiming for is sumthin that will blow away the ricer kids around here.
To many of em here!!!!!!!
Grrrrrrrrrr

lol

Cheers
My suggestion would be a shotgun. Aim for the front tyres (they all drive "sportscars for hairdressers") anyway.

- Adam.

A cheaper alternative would be a motorbike. I dragged off some yuppie wanker in thier Mercedes Benz on their way to work about a month ago. The tosser must have spent a 6 figure sum on a car he thought was quick. I only spent 16k on my Harley. It may be considered a tractor but it was still quicker than his Merc. His blonde girlfriend wasn't impressed with his cars performance either (or maybe he was just a dud root that morning?)
lol..
- Adam