rotor oval

better fit than the subies even with the non standard turbo.

Bwap, bwap, bwap, bwap, bwap.....do it Ron.

Rotarys run well on LPG apparently.

Is this yours???? I just got another 2 ovals today. Bloody kronk(S MULLER) is the best salesman you will ever meet. Offers you a deal, then tells you there is no point thinking about it...its a no brainer...next thing you working out the standard 2 week payment plan.

Lets do a reality show OVAL BUILDOFF..2 teams, 2 ovals...rotor vs suby. It can have the build episodes then a drag episode, circuit and hillclimb shows...like the bug vs the crx in the states.

Sponsors???? Muller and Muller??

Matt

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my money is on the rota.

Ant

Lets make it happen...come over to sydney and see what my car goes like anthony(eveyday with high k's) Paul (1303) with his ej20t bug went in my car recently and said that there are cars you go in that are so quick that you feel nervous excitement when you get out...then there is mine, which you feel sick!.. do not forget, there is more than just a drag race in that show...thats why it would be cool.

I have written the script already... 2 ovals, 2 engines, 2 teams...budgets released progressively to contain amount of mods weeekly...initial 3 x drags x 3 weeks with $xxx per week once base car built. Then final shows (ten in total)with special event finishing at the nationals next year..or Valla. at the show and shine.

matt

[ Edited on 15-8-06 by boof2332 ]

[ Edited on 15-8-06 by boof2332 ]

sign me up boof :P

pps . rotor team plz

it would be cool matt.....what would be more interesting would be a oval convert (subie or rotary) vs aircooled oval..


hehe that oughta put the bickering aside 🙂

Anthony

na thats not mine i wish it was tho
i would be in that matt all we need is the money both cars should have simular susp, trans ect.
when do we start i got a 54 waiting for a rotor
cheers
ron

Go Ron!

come on damo you wanna sponsor me!!

I have been scouting for sponsors.. The cars would also have to pass engineering for the show to e "REAL"

It will be called OVALHAULIN

I will sell the idea to a network, and they can sponsor it!

There can be a series...oval v mini
oval v mg
oval v holden
oval v ford etc.

Im excited.
Matt

I'd back the rotor if you get to rebuild it first.
I'll back the subie if they're junkyard special.

BTW, where are you exactly Matt. I might need to come out so you can make me feel sick.😉

boof2332 wrote:I have been scouting for sponsors.. The cars would also have to pass engineering for the show to e "REAL"

It will be called OVALHAULIN

I will sell the idea to a network, and they can sponsor it!

There can be a series...oval v mini
oval v mg
oval v holden
oval v ford etc.

Im excited.
Matt

does that mean you'll build 2 minis, holdens, MGs and fords with a rotor and a subie in each. Love to see that. At last the MG and the mini could get a real motor instead of those horrible wheezy boat anchors the english call engines. :puke

GO WANKEL!!!

to make this any sort of contest you'd have to use one of rigoli's 2.5 strokers as i think the quickest subie in the world is dom rigoli @9.1--148mph that doesnt even get in the top 10 quickest rotors in aus.the 10th fastest rotor in aus is a clear second quicker and theres 5 street rotors quicker than rigoli's drag car subie vs rotor NO BRAINER maybe rotors vs fj20s in ovals would be a better contest and lleave the subie to vs vw/autocraft a more even playing ground i volunteer to steer any

[ Edited on 17-8-2006 by newoldmanx ]

As I said before. If the motors are junkyard specials the subie will win for sure. Every 2nd hand rotor I've ever heard of needed a rebuild and a new turbo at least. Subies on the other hand seem to be almost bullet proof...coz from what I understand the only thing that killed boofs first motor was poor servicing on the lifters before he got it. Also, the rigoli's fastest car is AWD, which is almost a completely new endeavour in drag racing. People only started seriously racing AWDs about 10 years ago. So it's not really a fair comparison.

8.34sec 1/4 @ 158mph (Rigoli's STI) VS 7.89 @ 168mph (G.Mercevski in an RX3)

There's the difference in the times. Imagine if you put the rigoli's 2.5l stroker in a serious RWD car. I suspect the times would similar.

I'll come up and film and edit the pilot for you Boof. Might bring the '54 up just in case you've got some spare conversion parts.


hehehe

Thanks Pete, I too thought the Rigoli's had broken that pesky 9 second barrier a while ago.

Also, I'd love to see a suby in a serious RWD car.

Ona different topic - worlds fastest Camry - 7.03 second 1/4 !!!! have a look in the current Zoom. 1JZ with about 1160kw, not bad for 2.5L

1J is 3litres isn't it?....Just looked it up, I'll be damned, that is awesome for a 2.5l. I know people avoid 1Js cause they make too much torque as compared to a RB26.

how does a suby go on gas?

have a look at this:
http://autospeed.drive.com.au/cms/A_0406/article.html

nice.

Be interesting to see how a Subie could go. I was ponder the idea of the conversion this morning. The bitch would be the ignition setup. EJs are crank triggered and run off the computer so it could be a bit of a pain.

Yeah Pete, 1JZ = 2.5L, 2JZ = 3L

The 1JZ is the most understated engine of the 90's I think..... bulletproof bottom end (like most Toyo's)

ROTORS THE GO should see some good hp.Building up a 12AT in 65 beetle.Good to see someone else going the same way.hope to get some pics up soon looks cool


[ Edited on 18/8/2006 by buzdak ]

[ Edited on 18/8/2006 by buzdak ]

pete wood wrote:As I said before. If the motors are junkyard specials the subie will win for sure. Every 2nd hand rotor I've ever heard of needed a rebuild and a new turbo at least. Subies on the other hand seem to be almost bullet proof...coz from what I understand the only thing that killed boofs first motor was poor servicing on the lifters before he got it. Also, the rigoli's fastest car is AWD, which is almost a completely new endeavour in drag racing. People only started seriously racing AWDs about 10 years ago. So it's not really a fair comparison.

8.34sec 1/4 @ 158mph (Rigoli's STI) VS 7.89 @ 168mph (G.Mercevski in an RX3)

There's the difference in the times. Imagine if you put the rigoli's 2.5l stroker in a serious RWD car. I suspect the times would similar.

talk to your local mechanic orand 9/10 say vw's are boat anchors because they havent had much to do with them and therefore dont understand them the same goes for rotors because they are "unconventional" its a fact for a reason no-one in the top 10 quickest four cyl's run subie motors !!!and the 10th fastest rotor is still quicker than "world beating rigoli" as a matter of interest i run a ej20t sti in my dual cab but also have a 13bpp in a rx7

Do not forget kids that the Oval haulin episode rules state that the cars must be engineered. So the rota will not be a 13b. The cars will also be required to drive to the events...the builds will be totally individual. Remember that within the budgets you have to choose and run a vw box(build it yourself if need be) and suspension and brakes must be able to do a circuit, and maybe a hilclimb. The balance between handling, drag racing and reliability, will mean(i hope) that it will not be as onesided as you think.

WRX's have always been a challenge to get moving due to the weight and the time taken to get those 4 wheels spinning. Those quick rota times are in cars easy under 900kg, similar to a bug to start with.

There is only one way to find out and it will be on
OVAL HAULIN.

If those rough as guts idiots on Orange County Choppers can make a show....well why cant we. Maybe dropping engine parts, while using a step drill to make the engine mounts fit is what people want?

Matt

what no 13b🙁 well there goes the idea of the 20bpp i wont pretend to know anything about icv's(thats already been done here) but i did think if the pockets were deep enough you could get just about put any motor in anything if you could get power to weight within the tolerances even if it was full of lead

I might have been wrong. I just thought 13b turbo makes too much capacity to weight. However is it the original weight of vehicle or weight at engineering? We all had to be 860kg on the day for 2 litre turbo.

newoldmanx wrote:talk to your local mechanic orand 9/10 say vw's are boat anchors because they havent had much to do with them and therefore dont understand them the same goes for rotors because they are "unconventional" its a fact for a reason no-one in the top 10 quickest four cyl's run subie motors !!!and the 10th fastest rotor is still quicker than "world beating rigoli" as a matter of interest i run a ej20t sti in my dual cab but also have a 13bpp in a rx7

Sorry matey. I think you've misunderstood me. I think rotors are awesome. Really amazing engines. My comment about 2nd handies needing rebuilds was not meant to denigrate them at all. It's just that anyone I've ever talked to who bought one or owned one needed to have the motor rebuilt if it was a junkyard motor. Subarus just seem to be different is all.
Also my comments about subaru motors in rear wheel drive drag cars were just specualtion of what I could see happening at the drags. Everyone knows 4WD need a lot more power to be nearly as fast as a good rear drive car. But I do think if set up right subaru boxers could be competetive with the rotors. For no other reason than a proper build up. I also understand why people haven't used them in RWD cars up until now. There are very few small cars they would fit in because of their shape, and SR20s and the like are good to begin with. People just haven't seen the need to go to all the effort.

Boof, I think a well rounded comparison like you are proposing would be great. Surely SBS or similar would pick it up. It's just the sort of thing that would appeal to the car culture.
As part of it, you could find people who own/used to own oval window beetles and put in quick grabs describing their experiences. Could be all sorts of people from fogeys who owned them back in the day, to Alex Hozsl and his race/show car.

be awsome entertainment value even if no networks picked it up and it were made strictly for dvd i think the beetle is the second most sold car ever behind the corolla so plenty of potential

how about you guys come to perth so 13b turbo is in the picture..MAYBE even 20b (if your nuts). :vader


Anthony

13bt is not legal for a beetle in NSW. A 20bt is completely out of the question. And besides, it's not really a fair comparison then.

I will have to agree with Pete wood on the topic of rotary's from a wreckers of junk yard. My conversion was such a case, bought a series 5 rx7 (non turbo) from the wreckers as being a good strong runner, bought it home completed the conversion only to find out that the warantty on the engine had expired and that the engines block was nothing more then a paper weight. The only usfull thing on the motor was the injection system ( minus computer) and the nuts and bolts that held the engine together. Even though the conversion eventually turnt out to be absolutly awsome with more punch one could poke a stick at be cautoius on what engine you chose and where you get it from ( IN my case a rotary conversion cost an arm and a leg due to the need for an engine rebuild.

More info at my site http://groups.msn.com/GottaVW

my manx has been rotary powered since 1989 i replaced the engine in 2001 with a wrecker special haven't had it rebuilt just flogged it it is a standard 13bt with microtec efi
made 216 rwhp and has run 11.80 @114mph on the 1/4 sixty ft 1.67 on street tyres
in the last 5 years its been tuned twice and had only regular maintenance. The only problem is gearboxs im on to my 4th.

13BVW what have you had done to your transaxle, sounds like it's a whole lotta fun
and here is my entry, just need the sponsors to step up with the cash and we have ourselves a viable show.

54 oval

heres mine and my engineer wouldpass a 13bt in it .
with weight its the orignal weight of the car.
the rigoli car was rear wheel drive
porsche box.a rotory would suit a vw box due tothe torque curve.

[ Edited on 25-8-2006 by malcolm ]

13BVW wrote:my manx has been rotary powered since 1989 i replaced the engine in 2001 with a wrecker special haven't had it rebuilt just flogged it it is a standard 13bt with microtec efi
made 216 rwhp and has run 11.80 @114mph on the 1/4 sixty ft 1.67 on street tyres
in the last 5 years its been tuned twice and had only regular maintenance. The only problem is gearboxs im on to my 4th.

hows it goin mate awsome buggy !!! do you go to rotormax ie doug rogers????this bloke knows his porting and was partly responsible for ypvs yamaha power valve system he maintains a lot of rally rotors???

Check out by VW rotor page in site of the week forum i shows the porting and full rebuilding of the 13 b injected rotary in my baja ( i also use a microtach system and hand set ( Ltx-8s) cheers

Go the RoOR

I'll run and get a shot of my 54 ratchet strapped to my garage roof...

my rotor manx (13bt) will be at jamboree at willowbank this w'end 23rd and 24th
and if nothing breaks i will go for a drive to warrick

I think the show "Overhaulin" would give you a hard time getting your show started with a name so similar.
Its a show in the states where they steal someones car, and overhaul it/ pimp it out.

love it !! great stuff 🙂

yeah overhaulin is a great show. chip foose is the man in custom car builds.