Just wondering what you guys like better. Watercooled or Aircooled Veedubs.
Im a fan of the Aircooled motor. Reason being that the aircooled engine in my opinion is simple and reliable. My beetle is 45 yrs old and running on the same motor since new, due to a full service histroy might I had.
Watercooled motors are complicated and there more that can go wrong with it. Thats what I think anyway.
What you dubbers think?
Notch Nut ·
I like my aircooled engines for the same reasons. One thing I like about old cars as opposed to new cars is that if it doesn't serve a purpose, it aint hanging off the engine. Much easier to fix when broken down etc.
Good to see an old car still in regular use.:thumb
- Adam
555bug ·
I have built many of both and from a power/reliability perspective an air cooled engine is not capable of competing long term. that said the charm of an air cooled engines can't be underestimated plus when people go to the effort to get big power from them they are defiantly more interesting that their H2O cousins. I'd defiantly have a 2.6L type 4 with a turbo or a type1 2L with 48ida's :P but ultimately I'm lazy so I'll just jam a Subaru water pumper out back of my bug (the engines are cousins after all)
Stephen
LukeV85 ·
Looks like aircooled is winning it.
Any watercooled fans out there?
syncro ·
Yeah, there's plenty of watercooled fans, I'd guess most who like watercooled don't feel the need to defend them.
I've had plenty of aircooled VW's, now I've gone over to the wet side there's no going back.🙅
Steve.
[ Edited on 13-9-2007 by syncro ]
Iwish4aSynchro ·
Ahh but you posted in watercooled.
Different horses, different courses.
Personally the older Aircooled are easier to work., but the watercooled T3's up to 92 are the ducks nuts. No comp there.
Take a ride in an old bay and try the T3.
All the senses will be rewoken to the excitement of a watercooled engine.
mscabrio ·
I own 2 aircooled (57 oval and 74 1300 bugs) VW's and 2 watercooled (NB Cabrio and Polo GTI) VW's so I am officially a fence sitter ...... As for ease of repair, I know bugger all about them so if any of the family cause me problems they go to the same VW hospital .......
For day to day driving nothing can beat the comfort of a new car
Iwish4aSynchro ·
What a VW owner that doesnt work on their own vehicles?
Must be some kind of a new age thing.:duh
Could be a good poll.
blutopless2 ·
hahaha... yeah that's my job..
zjm ·
Ive got air and watercooled vws love em both but to tell you the truth the watercooled stuff is superior by a large margin in standard form theyre more reliable need less servicing use less fuel and are heaps faster and more reliable safer roomier have better brakes handling etc and they dont hold the traffic up going up hill
eg my 69 1500 bug has 50hp
my 74 passat also 1500 has 98hp and weighs 50kg less
harsh but true
VWFREAK ·
This subject always opens up a can of worms.
If it's good enough for Adolf it's good enough for me.
lol
Air Cooled all the way.
vwrallycar ·
try this poll on the watercooled site!!!
i have to say i love both
crewcabconnection ·
as long as it's horizontally opposed I don't much care ...
matberry ·
As long as its horizontally opposed and uses air for cooling its got me.
Water is for drinking or swimming in.
Beer is for drinking.😎
motha ·
LukeV85 wrote:Hey guys,
Just wondering what you guys like better. Watercooled or Aircooled Veedubs.
Im a fan of the Aircooled motor. Reason being that the aircooled engine in my opinion is simple and reliable. My beetle is 45 yrs old and running on the same motor since new, due to a full service histroy might I had.
Watercooled motors are complicated and there more that can go wrong with it. Thats what I think anyway.
What you dubbers think?
Can I say, how can a watercooled engine be more complicated when it has less moving part's! Just cost it has some water jacket's & a pump.
The aircooler's also use a pump to move the air around don't they? They also have extra gear on them too, like pushrod's, pushrod tubes, rocker gear etc. Doesn't that also mean that they can have more that can go wrong with them.
H2O also have less place's to leak oil from too.
I'll stick up for the waterpumpers, as I've had many of them & have only had one problem with a rapped engine in over 350+K which was a headgasket. That's all.
I will also say I'm a fan of both engine's & not bias in anyway & would love to own a overpowered early bug, but have nowhere to put it.
If you know your stuff & alot of people on here do, you can extract good power from the aircooler as I've seen from Nick & his stable of fast reliable car's.
But you can also create some good power out of the waterpumper's.
My dad alway's said to me. Stick with what you know best & for me, it's the H2O.
LukeV85 ·
vwrallycar wrote:try this poll on the watercooled site!!!
i have to say i love both
Posting this comment on the watercooled forum. Would be interesting to see if we get the opposite reaction there.
rocknrob ·
Of course they are all aircooled...afterall what cools your water? but then your aircooled is so inefficient it has nothing to be proud of...when you are doing 100km/hr(if you can) you are ignoring the gale force wind hitting the front of your car...your engine thinks its a stationary engine sucking hot air...so no winners really...now stick your aircooled engine out front(see my avatar)...there is a winner!👍
99gti ·
I'm a watercooled fan and to those who are curious if this was posted on the watercooled site it would be an overwhelming response for the H2O's.
type3kid ·
i've had both. aircooled type 3's and a new polo GTI and my current ride is a 76 golf.
to be honest i can't split them. yeah i love the GTI for the fact it's so easy and convienient and is a pocket rocket that begs for pedal to the metal and loves corners. it's very reliable and easy to do everything. A/C!!!!!!! and it doesn't take ages to dfefrost the windows.
then there's my 76 golf. i'm new to the older watercooled but addicted. it's got a 1.8 in it so quick enough to shock some people but still has the old school feel.
but on the flip side, i just loved cruising in my type 3's. they've got something new cars just don't have.
so i sit undecided. i'm a fan of both.
you've all put up damn good arguments for and against air and water cooled. but, i'm on the fence!🙄
Bug_racer1 ·
Watercooled - you can get power more reliably than air-cooled !
pete wood ·
watercooled = newer, more powerful, longer reliability, needs less day to day maintainance, will handle a lot more boost/hp/development.
aircooled = old school, lighter, easier to work on, nicer to gearboxes, less complex (in some ways).
horses for courses. why not like both? I do. I wanted to tick both boxes in poll. 👍
If we all really wanted bulk hp we'd buy new V8s or rice cars. If we really wanted old old school we'd build hotrods. VWs have a particular character about them that seems even to extend to later cars like the NB and the R32. I think that is what we're attracted to.
JVLRacing ·
After drivin a R32 watercool for me.....back to Vw power🥷
Type3Sicko ·
The satisfaction of driving, feeling and hearing a freshly tuned aircooled VW being put through it's paces is an absolute cure for the blues. Air for nostalgia...yeah, i'm old! 🙂 water for convenience. What the hell, if it's got fins and isn't a dolphin.... aircooled all the way
revnit ·
My answer is a little different to most, i choose my cars by there looks over what engine it has i have had a few VWs few friends have beeltes and kombis my mate is currently building a motor for his beetle pretty awesome stuff! i think if everyone got along and shown as much interest as i do in my mates beetle and as he does in my golf the Volkswagen world wouldn't be so far apart.
I currently have a 1976 mk1 golf 3door i just love the look of it and the heritage (mainly overseas) it carries as being the original hot hatch my car has been though 3 engine swaps current engine is 2.0l 16v on mechanical injection a rare setup to have in Australia, so my answer would be watercooled cause thats all i really know 😎
I have had both, however I am now getting a little tired of the air stuff.
Focussing on the watercoolers for now, unless something supurb comes up for grabs.
74 minx ·
what a crap poll..
you cant decide which is better because they are totally different things. you have to appreciate both types for what they are
Iwish4aSynchro ·
74 minx wrote:what a crap poll..
you cant decide which is better because they are totally different things. you have to appreciate both types for what they are
So u drive a solar powered car then
😀😀😀
desh ·
An aircooled Beetle is exactaly what it was designed to be, a simple and reliable little car. It putters along just nicely.
helbus ·
It would be like comparing radio to TV.
desh ·
This is the 5 point plan that was set out for the KdF Wagen / Beetle, I think the Beetle achived all of these and so much more.
1. Speed
The car had to be capable of a speed of 100 km/h on the great new autobahn.
2. Economy
Petrol consumption should be no more than seven litres per 100km approximately 33MPG. The car had to be economical to repair.
3. Family Size
We cannot separate the children from the parents.
Seating should be for four or five persons.
4. Air Cooling
Most Germans have no garage therefore their cars will be left outside all year round, The problem of frozen radiators must be eliminated.
The engine must be air-cooled.
5. Low purchase price
The car must sell for less than RM 1000
thestu ·
both. they have there differences
air cooled for simplicity and fuel economy
watercooled for the ability to make more power easily and cheaply...(well cheaper than an air cooled motor 🙂
watercooled.
my 40hp
sunnygirl ·
I also have only ever driven air cooled VW's ranging from 54 oval right through to now a 56 Oval & 75 L bug - my husband and I have recently purchased a new T5 Dual Cab all wheel drive ute and I must say this baby flies.....once out of first, then second gear this vehicle launches into third and onto 6th gear and I can reach 100klms + in seconds. I am extremely impressed with the performance of this so-called commercial vehicle and am even tempted to enter into the Warwick meet. I love all my past and present VW's and hold no opinions either way - shame alot of my fellow VW mates didn't feel the same about water cooled dubs - I should give them a go at the T5.
Aussie FJ40 ·
cant see air cooled running at 130kph all day in 45 degree heat in the territory,gimme water anyday,i do like the old vw but i want to cruise in comfort,ill stick to my lwb t5 and my R36,oh and my first car,a 66 beetle 40 years ago,i wont go back,i do like the california look on the old ones,just my 2 cents
rustguard ·
its a bit unfair to compare an engine design from the 1930's to a modern 21st century engine? so compare it to any watercooled enginecar from that time?
Aussie FJ40 ·
air cooled may be ok in a cold country but they never cut the mustard here in oz where the temps are too hot,simple fact,dont know how many air cooled cars i towed in the territory over the years but it would exceed water cooled by lots,and they made them way past the 30s,us humans need water,so do cars,if air cooled is so good how come we done away with it?gimme water,maybe a bourbon first
rustguard ·
the vw engine was designed in the 30's and hasn't changed much, even the wasserboxer looks like the same engine with a water jacket chucked in the equation.
As for towing more aircooled, no way, impossible 1 there's just not enough of them compared to watercooled cars, they would have to die at a rate of 10000 to 1, also they can still run with a cracked head to get u home. watercooled though much better in heat can be more dramatic when they overheat. look at the redex trials and all the offroad races they have won in the past. if air cooled is so unreliable how come they had first and second place in the redex reliability trials? they went through the topend. that said I like watercooled engines better
LukeV85 ·
i shall never buy a watercooled VW again, all ive seemed to have with them is trouble, while my old bug keeps on keeping on......unless i keep buying dudz
JVLRacing ·
LukeV85 wrote:i shall never buy a watercooled VW again, all ive seemed to have with them is trouble, while my old bug keeps on keeping on......unless i keep buying dudz
...depends wat you buy....i think it goes both ways....
a11djr ·
tough call!!!!
motha ·
JVLRacing wrote:
LukeV85 wrote:i shall never buy a watercooled VW again, all ive seemed to have with them is trouble, while my old bug keeps on keeping on......unless i keep buying dudz
...depends wat you buy....i think it goes both ways....
Agreed 100%
I brought a mint beetle & it pulled the headstuds in the first week of owning it.
Got rid of it straight away!
I'd still like another beetle though.
I'm not going to say the waterpumpers are bulllit proof either, as they have also let me down(very rarely though), but not to the point where it's left me stranded. I've always been able to get home.
I also normally drive 600-800km a week for work in my mk1. When I was an apprentice it was 1000km a week!
I've found/noticed being in the trade, the more you use the car, the better it is. If any car sits for long periods of time, they all can deteriorate!!
So the subject is really at the crossroads I think.