These things go for upto $2k complete ready to bolt on, if you can find one!
kroozzn63 ·
i saw one in a swap meet in belgium ,in a "vw mag" sitting on the table forsale
type_one ·
I know where there is one. Complete except for the acccelerator linkage. Be careful as there are two types. One for early oval etc and then later models. The manifolds are different.
In answer to the next question no it is not for sale. Sorry. I plan to use it one day hopefully.
I'd be interested in a copy though of any info you might have on them, article etc. Can you be so kind as to email them to me at type_one@hotmail.com
Cheers
Jason
chickenfillet ·
Hi Jason,
I'm in the early stages at the moment but it's great to know they are out there, I'll fire through anything I find to your email. Do you know the model number of the later type?
All the best,
Kev
SPRINTSTAR ·
chickenfillet wrote:These things go for upto $2k complete ready to bolt on, if you can find one!
If you find a complete one for that price, I'll give you $3000US. Below was my complete Swiss Mag Supercharger,rarer than a Shorrock...
chickenfillet ·
I think when I find one I'll be holding onto it!
type_one ·
Not sure on the model number. I think the early ones the flange that goes onto the head on the manifold is wider. The head one the earlier motors has the bolt holes for the manifold further apart. Or it could be the other way around. So long since i looked at it.
vw54 ·
the Shorrock would be hard to find in Aussie I know i havent seen one here
the Judson would be a easier blower to find
chickenfillet ·
Cheers Jason,
I'll try and find some tech drawings and do a bit more research, thanks again for your help.
Hi VW 54, the reason I'm after a Shorrock is it's to be installed on my KG and I don't want to cut up the hood to fit the air filter on - not a massive fan of the scoop! I might need to place a few wanted ads on US/UK sites.
All the best,
Kev
type_one ·
As someone else said before they aren't cheap. After I got mine. Long story but i got it and it was a bargain, I have only seen one for sale in the US for US$3000.
If you need any detialed pics etc of it let me know and i'll pull it out. As i said before it is complete except for the accelerator linkage. I should be able to make something up once i get it in oneday.
chickenfillet ·
Hi Jason,
These 'classic speed' bolt on kits are are achiving top money now, I don't mind paying I'm just hoping to find one! If I have any luck in the search it would be great to grab some pics of your setup.
Thanks again,
Kev
MickH ·
This might sound weird....but try the for sale section here from time to time or post ann add... http://vwjudsonregister.tripod.com/index.htm
Good luck with your hunting!! I'll put one onto my shopping list one day...
vw54 ·
yeah the scoop on the KG does look ugly
maybe you could adapt or make a different tube and add a air filter at the end of it
The scoops for the Judson have been reproduced and are available
chickenfillet ·
Hi vw54,
I'm thinking this would be close but could work. Does anyone out there know the height of a Judson from where it bolts to the manifold to the top of the carb? I've been looking for a Shorrock for a while and they don't pop up too often. If I can make a Judson fit we could be on a winner, and they come with cool "Supercharged by Judson" Badges!
Cheers,
Kev
BUGBOY ·
depending on you carb etc I can give you the height of the carb base of the blower from the top of the inlet manifold.
It all depends on manifold hieght etc but you'll be able to work it out.
I'll be putting mine together in a few days.
Unless Dave knows ?
here is some good reading you might find of interest.
What engine arre you running the height depends on if its a 36 or 40hp as theres a spacer involved
chickenfillet ·
Hi Guys,
Thanks for all the links and suggestions. I'm going to make a carboard mockup over the weekend and do a trial fit, the engine is a 40hp with stock carb (pict 28?) so if I could grab the height from where the Judson bolts to the manifold to where the carb bolts on that would be great BugBoy. I have attached a pic which kind of shows the height on the Judson I'm after.
Thanks again for all the help on this,
Cheers,
Kev
chickenfillet ·
After a bit or research (judson registry) and measuring I'm sure I can make a Judson fit, see pic from the judson registry. I know this is a 36hp but it looks like a custom filter has been made that sits behind the carb, I'm sure the same could be done with a 40hp. Now the hunt is on, if anyone has a Judson that they want to swap for my tax return, let me know.
Cheers,
Kev
Bizarre ·
chickenfillet wrote:Now the hunt is on, if anyone has a Judson that they want to swap for my tax return, let me know.
I have circled the spacer block required for the 40hp judson
do you know theresa difference between the 36 and 40 housings
chickenfillet ·
Do you mean the 40hp Judson sits higher than the 36? Other than the single pulley is there another way to tell?
Any advice would be appreciated,
Cheers,
kev
vw54 ·
yes the carby on the 40hp has the spacer block under it so its sits higher than the 36hp
the body of the 40hp where it bolts to the mainifold has off set studs from front to back
the 36hp body has the spacing the same from front to back
hope that makes sense
the pullys are inter changeable but yes the 40hp used the single belt with a idler pully
chickenfillet ·
Cheers,
I know this is a dumb question but why is the spacer there/is there anyway to do a workaround?
Sorry for sucking your brain,
Kev
vw54 ·
the spacer allows the carby to stand up higher as the accelerator pump linkage on the later carby sticks out on the side of the blower and its needs this clearance to allow it to operate
By the way ive been playing with Judsons for about 20 plus years now so ask the questions no probs
vw54 ·
where u located at Chicken fillet
chickenfillet ·
In Erskineville, near Newtown and I work down the road in Alexandria.
chickenfillet ·
Just one last question...
In this ad on the samba it says it is a type 1 Judson but it has the one pulley, can you tell if it is a 36 or a 40hp?
Well u carnt tell unless you look at the underside of the housing
All the bits are 40 hp the air cleaner the spacer block etc etc
chickenfillet ·
Cheers mate,
I'll drop him a mail now. I've just asked John from the Judson register the same question, I'll let you know how I go.
Thanks again,
Kev
vw54 ·
tell John u have been talking with me
BUGBOY ·
Your looking at 80mm , but thats on a 36hp blower.
Not sure if they are different to a 40hp. The only diferance I know of between the 36hp and 40hp blower is the the outlet hole.
On a 36hp blower its in the middle as to a 40hp is offset.
BUGBOY ·
chickenfillet wrote:Just one last question...
In this ad on the samba it says it is a type 1 Judson but it has the one pulley, can you tell if it is a 36 or a 40hp?
I'm with Dave on that, i'd say its a 40hp because of the spacer and only 36hp had twin belts.
But you rally need to see the underside of the blower to see the outlet pos.
chickenfillet ·
Hi All,
Just a quick update on the blower search, I just bought this pretty complete Judson kit - should arrive in the next few weeks and if all goes to plan, installed over the Christmas break.
Thanks for all the helpful advice, I'm sure I'll need some more before I'm done!
Cheers,
Kev
vw54 ·
looks good
BUGBOY ·
You just need a coil and i'm not sure about 40hp but on a 36hp setup you need a stronger spring in the fuel pump so i'd ask around on the register about that or Dave might know. Another thing is to find out what size jet came with a 40hp kit for the carb.
chickenfillet ·
I've got a bit of a list started already, the main thing is still to try and get the whole lot (minus Judson filter) under the lid without cutting. Is there any specific reason to use the Judson coil? I know they are pretty rare as well.
Apparently the standard fuel pump spring is fine with the type 2, just need a 135 jet.
But the first thing I need to do is order some of those sweet 'Supercharged by Judson' badges!
Kev
BUGBOY ·
I've got a few badges here somewhere, I'll dig em up.
You don't need to run the coil but they look good, I bought mine from off this forum a few months back.
They sell for around $80-$100 for a good used one.
Good news is they run on both 6 and 12 volt.
chickenfillet ·
Hi Bugboy,
That would be great, let me know what you would like for them and I'll sort you out.
It's a good thing the exchange rate is up at the moment, I got a feeling I'll be putting in some US orders soon!
Cheers,
Kev
vw54 ·
yeah the fuel pump spring on the 36hp isnt needed mine ran great for the years i was driving it on the road
wound it of the speedo a few times some plenty of fuel presure n supply there
You can but a jet drill and drill a stock jet out to the 135
BUGBOY ·
vw54 wrote:yeah the fuel pump spring on the 36hp isnt needed mine ran great for the years i was driving it on the road
wound it of the speedo a few times some plenty of fuel presure n supply there
You can but a jet drill and drill a stock jet out to the 135
YOU HOON😂
SPRINTSTAR ·
The glass bottle looks different..is it original? You might want to contact glider69 here as I believe he is selling the old Judson engine I had...I believe I sold the completed engine to him for about $3.5K.
chickenfillet ·
I'm really not sure about the bottle being original, I will have to wait till it arrives and have a proper look as the pics are a bit soft.
All the best,
Kev
BUGBOY ·
SPRINTSTAR wrote:The glass bottle looks different..is it original? You might want to contact glider69 here as I believe he is selling the old Judson engine I had...I believe I sold the completed engine to him for about $3.5K.
yeah it looks like it has lettering raised on the glass?
You can get repro bottles now anyway if thats the case.
SPRINTSTAR ·
I got my badges from this crew..beautiful quality.
the origional has a frosted top n bottom section like the one Aldo just sold
thats a square shaped Mason jar that you buy in the hardware stores in the USA
The closest jar to origional in shape and size is available here in Aussie in the supermarket Its a quart jar of Egg Mayoniase thats made in the US I have one of these as a spare for my blowers
chickenfillet ·
OK, one more item to the list!
Thanks again for the help, maybe when the Judson arrives I'll start up a new post so I can hit you guys up for a bit more advice.