1916cc\'s at large woohoo

Anyone interested in seeing (and hearing) a 1916 cc motor shredding some tires should drop by Mt Cotton for the Queensland championships next weekend and the state round at Grafton the weekend after next (7th and 8th).😀

THE Pobjoys are gonna be racing their steroids openwheeler, and I believe there are a couple other ppls with their 1916's entered too.. I'm hoping to make it to Grafton, but can't quite swing Brisbane as a spectator..

Anyone else going to either of these? any fellow 1916's?

Going and seeing what the engines are capable of is probably the easiest way of ending the (now stangely dormant) 1916cc debate
so go and check it all out 😀

*prods debate with stick*

*poke*
*poke poke*:P

Have you got any details of the brissie event? i know where it is

sounds like a lot of fun, wish I could watch.:thumb

have a squiz at cams website, it's got allll the events listed, just enter the parameters for what state, and date, and you''ll know as much as me. almost😀

www.cams.com.au

(y):thumb

I was talking to Stan a couple of weeks ago (actually it was the other way round! 😀 ) and he mentioned the Grafton event.

I'd really like to go with my sons for a day out.

Brissy a bit far on short notice though.

I'd like to catch up with ya Pete, if you end up going to Grafton.

:thumb

How come u didn't come out & support the 1916's at Oran Park a couple of weeks ago with the Porsche club Peter? I thought after all your comments u would have been there with bells on, I thought u may even have a run.
Next one is on the 21st of June, in about 4 weeks at Oran Park again.
regards
Jak Rizzo

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/index.mv?photo+83328.jpg

Yeh jJak,
but he won't run a pissweak 1916 ,he just runs off from the mouth,the steroids won't cut it , may-be a different drug is required.
may -be some ice!!
Rolly

Hey there is practice on the sat with free spectator entry and actual event on sunday with a $10 spectator entry(if i remember correctly). I was trying to enter but mr R wouldn't let me put my entry in a day late 🙁 so i won't b racing.

[Edited on 24-5-2003 by BiX]

Pete,
do your self a favor and drive a stroker and then tell me about your precious 1916.. hahha
You can't seriously believe a crappy 1916 can make any real horse power, only ponies..
Rolly

Just chill a little Rolly, I might not agree with everything that Peter says but I'm all for advertising VW's competing regardless of the engine combo.
regards
Jak

I have to agree with jak, the more VW's at any motorsport the better. Nomatter whether its a 1600cc stock motor to 2+ L of stroker. the more the better. I only see a green super at the hillclimb normally, there should be more!!

Yeah, jJak, i have three buggerising reasons why me and my bells aren't racing

1 I work on weekends
2 My car handles like a bag of wet sheep
3 I only just got my cams license yesterday

Hope to be on the track one day, but it's not worth it at the moment with the way the wet sheep keep bleating at me in the back seat. also I'm saving my moolahdosh for some fixing-up-of-car stuff, some of us haven't spent years and thousands on making our cars race ready. It's all in the pipeline..🙁 (I've been told I should see v-force about my handling/steering/camber problems) seems you've got yours under control, how much does it cost to get a super to handle like yours?
But yeah, I'm gonna try and make it to Grafton, just for a looksee. If you're heading up, Steve, let me know, I'll try to get some time off work, although I'll be pushing it with Nambucca coming up. *fingers crossed*

Now, "rolly", two things fyi : I only have a daily-driver base 1916, not a steroids motor. and it's actually not 'crappy', or 'pissweak', so I guess your wacky comments weren't directed at me.
define 'mouthing off' for me please, and let us know who you are in the great scheme of things, just for kicks.😀
oh yeh, and as advice is being freely given, do yourself a favour and think before you post something else stupid here. good boy.😎

Pete,

Why waste your time on these ppl

Yes I have spent 10 years getting the car to where it is today Pete but I havn't spent thousands, I do all my own work, but I would definantly reccomend seeing Richard at V-Force 97431247 as he is an expert on Superbugs, everything that I have on my car is all from him & it's all bolt on, track ready.
While u are there ask to see the all the chromoly bits that I use in my motor.......I'm joking I;m jokng!!!!!!

But back to what this post is about, keep us informed on how the vw's go & we want to see some pics.
regards
Jak

ps: Peters 1916 can't be that slow, it's a V6 beater!!!

[Edited on 24-5-2003 by jakriz]

For Jak,
I think Peter is a shit stiring person who is coaxed by another, this topic makes trouble, not every one agrees with Jak or Peter or others, who cares about what size engine you have as long ads it is vw,not magna or whatever.
Peter has tryed to re-ignite this dead argument several times and is happy to insult professional, poeple some who will no longer particapate in this silly argument
I will bag him when I choose.

I choose to stay anominous.
Rolly

Fair enough.

Jak

...children.

vwmachine wrote:who cares about what size engine you have as long ads it is vw,not magna or whatever.Rolly

Who cares what it is full stop... I will be more than proud once I crame a nice piece of Japanese Engineering in the back of my USA Kitcar which sits upon my Brad Built Floor pan with a few VW parts strapped on to keep Main Road Happy.
It will park in my shed along side my Strocker equiped, dual webber, alloy cased Manx and 1969 VW Beetle "Turd'. Beside all of these are the left overs of a fair few years worth or trial and error. mmm too much ranting I have now lost my point..... oh yeah that was it I think Jap engines in VW are the way to go if you want real power .....

Oran park sounds like fun !
Now fitting a standard gearbox to my car(standard 76 box) to go supersprint racing, so this should increase the VW numbers!!!!!!
Had fun dominating Hillclimb for so long , now it is time to develop a car for tarmac rally.
Jak what times should I be aiming for at wakefield and oran.

Will I be the only non superbug running ??

P.S May still run Grafton.

It's painfully obvious who's bagging, poo stirring and attempting to besmirch professionals on this forum "rolly", take a long hard look at your previous three posts, and then explain the reason why you won't tell anyone who you are. hmmm.

hope to see some more bugs at the hillclimbs, too. quick poll: anyone else interested in getting involved in Hillclimbs and supersprints? bout time us buggers started to make a bit more of a showing i reckon. :thumb
umm jak, yes it does beat a few v6's, but sooner or later we all have to take a corner. bummer. And if your car didn't take thousands to make it handle like it does, does that mean it took hundreds? I really hope that's the case.
I bet your wheels alone would have to put you into the thousand dollar region, unless you made them yourself. out of egg cartons or something 😀

yep,
I checked em my previuos 3 posts and I don't bag any business , just a particular engine , my opinion and I am entitled to it.
I do however find your posts disturbing.
I think you should read some of your previuos posts on the subject of penis size ie who's is longer ,fatter or blown. It all comes out at the races.

Rolly

Hahahahahahahahah

*sigh*
thanks rolly, at least you made me laugh today :thumb
😀

Hi,
My good friend Colin from Tamworth will be competing at Grafton in his black s-bug. So if anyones there go say hello, he could do with the company. Its an ida`d 1916cc with close trans, i think he runs in the old 2e class?. Cheers, Keith H.

If people wants to posts pics of the hillclimb event, or results, then go for it.

If I see another pointless "my engine is better than yours" or "your a wanker" post, I will delete it. We all had our fun in the original 1915 post, now let it be.

I think all you guys have lost the plot.
We're here for one common goal and yes thanks Pete for letting me know about the hillclimbs. I used to go out there years ago and the winner was a vdub powered , supercharged open wheeler and man it sounded fat. So i'm gonna go and fly the vw flag anybody else interested in going?😀
PS onya Wes

Is that a moderator getting involved ??? Am I in the right place ??😀😀

On another note I woudl love to drive fast in my air cooled beetle, just don't think the turd woudl hold togeather :bounce

Craig Torrens wrote:Oran park sounds like fun !
Now fitting a standard gearbox to my car(standard 76 box) to go supersprint racing, so this should increase the VW numbers!!!!!!
Had fun dominating Hillclimb for so long , now it is time to develop a car for tarmac rally.
Jak what times should I be aiming for at wakefield and oran.

Will I be the only non superbug running ??

Hi Craig,
I'm not quite sure what times u should be aiming for since CT & I run street cars & yours is an out & out racer. If u are looking for competition I suggest that u save your money on the Porsche track days (they are more expensive than others) & go for the NSW road racing series which I think is called Group 7 racing. They have proper classes , actually I think they may even be the same , just like the hillclimbs that u have dominated for so long.
With the Porsche club , since it's one make orientatted, ie: Porsche, they have their own system for grading their own cars, then they have the assocciatted class which is anything that isn't Porsche. This means that we are in the same group as V8 Monaro's , PRB Clubmans (which are faster than the GT3's) WRX's, turbo mazda imports, Nissan Godzillas etc etc, u get the idea.
So CT & I have gone to great lengths to get our cars perfectly even even though they are so different. The power to weight ratio is dead even in a straight line, we even had the same gearbox built, & with my slightly bigger motor 2027 to 1916 & heavier car, 980kg to 760kg we are able to drive around all day side by side literally, which is what we want. It wouldn't be as much fun if one was able to blow the other away. Well we don't think so anyway, depends what u are into I guess & how competitive u want to get.
regards
Jak

Jak,thanks for your reply,although it hasn't really helped with times etc.

An "all out race car", I think you need to actually see my car before making comment about it. It was registered up untill 2000 in its current form, and has minimal performance added extra's due to the class I run.
Brakes= standard type 3
Suspension= lowered balljoint and IRS with t3 bars with bilstein shocks and the usual caster shims and camber adjusters
Swaybars =" off the shelf" whiteline
Wheels= widened STEEL 7x14
All door trims ,hood lining, front seats and carpet remain, as does the heater fan etc
External is all original guards ,bumpers bonnet and doors etc.

What I would see as a usual street car at any VW show!



What a Typical race car has is front and rear spoilers, larger alloy wheels, slotted/drilled discs, (usually rear discs), extra oil coolers, various ceramic coated parts, a better front suspension than torsion bar and more aerodynamic friendly body shape via curved front windscreens etc!

I want to run any supersprint to research setups for my soon to be registered street/targa car !!

P.S If you think being a 76 it must be light,
both doors,bumpers and bonnet are from a 71 model and the rear guards are from a superbug!😀😀

What a Typical race car has is front and rear spoilers, larger alloy wheels, slotted/drilled discs, (usually rear discs), extra oil coolers, various ceramic coated parts, a better front suspension than torsion bar and more aerodynamic friendly body shape via curved front windscreens etc!

Holy crap Craig, u just described my car in every detail!!! except for the curved windscreen. Although I do have the back seat, stereo, speakers, lots of soundproofing, seatbelts & child seat hook restraints for my kids (It's a daily driver unfortunantly) The reason I didn't mention times is that U will alomost probably be at least 2 seconds a lap quicker than CT & myself just due to the fact of the Horsepower that your motor puts out, & the fact that we are just hack drivers purely concentrate on keeping our prized posessions on the black stuff right way up. We don't have any prior driving experience although years of BMX & mountain bike racing keep my reflexes up I suppose but apart from that we are real novices in the purest sense.
Thats why I suggested that u race the group 7 series & give those Twin cam datsuns hell. They are in I think a group 2e class but they run slicks & Avgas etc, they would get quite a scare if u turned up. They won't let me run in their class as they don't consider my car a street car with the spoilers. A couple of years ago I won the class at Oran Park against Mazda Mx5's & Datsuns 1600's etc, but the clark of the course rang me during the week at work & said that I wouldn't be getting a trophy as the other drivers in my class had protested because of the front spolier & rear wing, they said since they wern't factory items that I should be racing with the Sport Sedans. Close but no cigar. So I've resigned myself to just putting around with big brother Porsche.
regards
Jak

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/index.mv?photo+83328.jpg

Jak, the earlier photo of your superbug looks identical to mine, except mine is red and the 14" hurricanes fouled on the lower ball joint bolt, so I put second hand 15" empi 8 spokes on it 🙂

Did you ever have a front end vibration in yours ?

I'm calling in some favours (of which i'm owed a few) so should be able to make it to Grafton on the 7th and 8th of June for the hillclimb. Might be taking the bike to save some petch, so anyone going up there look out for a bedraggled old zzr600 and a frozen rider. It's at Mountainview motorsport complex thingy I think... Anyone from here contemplating going? Would love to see some unfamiliar faces 😀 Hopefully will be taking some shots of veedubs kicking some less stylish butt while i'm there! *fingers crossed*


:thumb

It is well worth the trip to Grafton even just to watch the hillclimb. Mighty fine piece of tarmac...I especially love the first 2 corners. Wish I could go🙁. It has been far too long. Oh well, maybe the next one?

Doug Sweetman wrote:Jak, the earlier photo of your superbug looks identical to mine, except mine is red and the 14" hurricanes fouled on the lower ball joint bolt, so I put second hand 15" empi 8 spokes on it 🙂

Did you ever have a front end vibration in yours ?

Hi Doug, Yeh I did have the shakes in the early days, that was back in 92, but I ended up just having the front wheels balanced on the car, it cost roughly $25 each & that solved the shakes. Most times it's an accumalation of the disks being out of wack, the tyre not being round or the actual wheel having had a knock somewhere in it's life. Another thing u can try is just rotating one front wheel at a time in it's stud pattern. Then take it for a drive & see if it still shakes. Just get a marker pen & mark where the wheel originally was bolted to the disk so that if one side doesn't work u can then try the other. It may save u some cash. A front strut brace stops the shakes as well.
Hope this helps.
regards
Jak

PS the 14 inch hurricanes didn't touch the lower ball joint but they did slide badly against the stone guard, I just took them off.

Plans have been made, me and the 2 boys are going on the Sunday.

I love the smell of burning rubber first thing in the morning!

wtg steve!
hope to see you there :thumb
what vehicle is yours so i know which one to thumb down when i run out of petch 😉
cmon peeps, anyone else? huh? huh?
:bounce

Owing to the Oval being in over 100 pcs, we'll be in the comfort of the white VT Acclaim s/w rego SKE227.

I'll be at Mt Cotton Saturday and Sunday. I'll either be driving my Bug, 76 model dark blue widened steel rims and did I mention 1916, or I'll be riding my Kawka, 2001 model ZRX1200R and black. Hope to see you guys there.

P.S. If this post looks weird it's because it's my first and I don't know what I'm doing.

Andrew Grace

the sad thing is the kawa would make more HP than most peoples vw's 😀

your first post was fine, welcome to the forum 🙂

imagine if we applied motorcycle engine building principles to our dubs, wes :o

😉 a wise man once said "If you got a kwaka and a dub, you're a member of an elite club."

dang, i wish i could remember who said that... heheheheee
how does 9.96 @ 142 mph 1/4 mile sound for a kwaka 1200cc production bike woohoo
now back to the thread...
*cheers hillclimbing dubs on*

Peter Leonard wrote:imagine if we applied motorcycle engine building principles to our dubs, wes :o

Then we'd be putting all alloy quad cam jap motors in our dubs. hmmm, sounds familar..... 😀

*gets out his engine number stamps*
hehehehe😀

I'M A GOIN I'M A GOIN 😀
colin from tamworth and 56astro and any other dubbers... see ya there! lets take a couple hundred photos and add some culla to this thread, who knows maybe other dubbers will get involved :thumb
just gotta get the sound and smells and atmos here. hmmm😎

Well the hillclimb was good. (from what i saw of it) there was a roll early morning. On the vw side, there was a real nice splitty in the car park? a turbo bug, the usual green bug u c there plus the open wheelers. it was a awesome day. the pics should be posted on the mg website, www.mgccq.org.au

the next hillclimb at mt cotton is july.

no pics yet..*sits on edge of seat*

still no pics
*checks again*




still no pics.. 😀

give then some time to get the pics up. There was a professional photographer so hopefully they will still put pics up on the web. I will c if i can find someone who took a digital camera.

ta bix...

*waits for pics...*

pics...bix ...pics..bix...

mm spishus...

😀:bounce

they are up. under race results. including the civic.

righto peoples, can someone who's going get hold of a digital camera for grafton hillclimb? I'll probly be taking a fillum camera, so might be a while before pics get up, so digital cam would be better. I just figured out what time i'll be leaving sydney at on saturday morning....
eeeeeeeeeeeeep
also double demerits, so anyone heading up there watch out for the boys in blue who are thick on the ground, especially around grafton area.
mission time!
hope to see some other aussieveedubbers there😀 so far looks like colin, craig, steve, me and the pobjoys are the dub contingent.
should be a ball😀

Great turnout at grafton, perfect weather, nice people, shitty fuel... everything was great til i got a tankful of dodgy fuel on the return trip at Nabiac, forcing me to stop at Buladelah overnight while the NRMA tended to my sick bike. apart from that, the crowd loved the volksy contingent (lotsa comments heard while spectating) and spoke to colin from tamworth in his supershiny black bug, saw astro and his kids (hope they're over the nintendonitis 😉) and watched some seriously overpowered dubs shredding the track. you don't realise just how well the humble dub motor holds its own til you see it race against toranas and hondas and other 'powerful' cars. real eye opener. the first two corners were HELL STEEP which made a few cars display their underpoweredness, while the dubs just seemed to eat it up. yes dammit i'm biased to VWs, but it's true, the dubs kicked ass. Stan ran a blistering 47. something on his first opening lap at practice, after which his tyres seemed to go hard. bummer really, cos the open wheeler of his blew away all sorts of insanely powerful cars, when it got traction. wayne penrose had a magnificent lose in his type 4 powered bug, fishtailing it from one side of the track to the other, collecting tyre walls and crushing both rear guards and (he told me) completely flattening his exhaust system. undeterred, his car was back out next run, with about forty kilos of gaffa tape holding it together. wtg wayne 😀 gotta fix that fuel leak on the combi too... that was scary...
colin's (i think 1916cc) bug shamed a bunch of sedans into little bits, and jeff unwins turbo wrx powered "hatchback" was pretty quick too, although it looked a lot more like a notchback (thanks commentator... 😀) also the formula v's kicked some ass and Peter Gumleys supercharged (combi?) motored entry i believe was fastest on the day with something incredible like a 43 second run... BEAUTIFULLY turned out open wheeler. realllly expensive and pro looking. Craig torrens's course record still stood at the close of sunday and wasn't pipped by some guy in a integra/supra/escort something shiny, who had incredible handling, something like a couple of seconds behind Craig's AMAZING and UNTHREATENED 1916cc powered sexmobile (again soz to Craig hehehe). didn't have to defend it, Craig 😉 i've got many pics, just have to get them developed.... by which time you'll all be fairly old, and may have forgottten about this crazy dub obsession...
i can't say i recommend riding a bike at three in the morning at 2 degrees at 110 for very long, but it was worth it to see all the dubs kick ass. thanks muchly to the Pobjoys and their northern hospitality for taking a frozen biker in overnight to defrost... the power of that 1916 open wheeler is mindblowing. next time better have another set of tires, so they actually grip the road... i heard a few people complain about the temperature of the track, but everyone gave it a damn good slugging nevertheless. don't kid yourselves people, dubs ROCK at the hillclimbs 😀
*fumbles for his glasses and spare teeth*

[Edited on 12-6-2003 by Peter Leonard]

Those pics in the race results were Great.
Who's is the Green Beetle ??

for grafton or mt cotton? have no idea about the grren beetle for mt cotton, hes member of the mg club, doesn't really talk that much. but the motor is a panckae type 4 that revs out to about 8ish grand. he almost wheels stands we think as he pulls up the first hill.

what really scary is there is a landcruiser that also races now nad then that is can keep up with a standard (non-sti) wrx. (try the october 2002)

[Edited on 11-6-2003 by BiX]

i blame my head being warped from too many of those reflectors flashing past me for too long :alien
oops craig 😀
some bugger got a 51 second run, musta been from another class... oops thought it was improved production.. that IS the class in question yerr?
oo and sorry to wayne... got confused with another vehicle... what the hell.... maybe i do need glasses.... pretty hard to confuse that vehicle with another... i do remember it having a fairly wild looking exhaust system. or was that afterwards while i was feeding the monkeys, or playing ping pong with the easter bunny...

bad pete! bad!

:beer:beer

a long time ago, in a thread far far away I spoke of a series of photos. which are cruddy, and now developed. I'm gonna scan them and get em on!! 😀 😀 :bounce

The black dub was a 1916 of keith's friend's (i think he was called Paul) very black, very shiny, loved the hill 😀 My memory of the event is getting dimmer...

as are the photos.. anyone got a way of strangling a computer yet?

lets see if my freeze dryer comes out then....

Come on then, .................


Pete, you've had a Barry Crocker!

yep. it's true. i've been having a ripper of a time trying to get these %@$#@^@*$%@ pics up. gimme a sec.. they're here, scanned, and waiting for a web site to link them.. which hopefully will be sorted in a few hours..
😀

have i understood the new system correctly? lets see...

sort of... that's how i froze myself to death betwen grafton and sydney.

colin's black 1916cc bug embarrassed a few too many ricers for comfort..

some formula vees punting around the track...

stan's insano mobile:

wayne penrose's type four powered bug and the wrx notch (good lockup pic here)were fun to watch but the day was won outright by the supercharged gumleymobile (bottom) 😀

frikken yee hah. i have the pics up and it was only a few months late. 😀 😀 😀 :bounce:bounce