Sick68VW ·
Anyone used one before or had good feedback from these ive got one lying around and throught i would mount it up and see how it goes the car is a street car / odd drag races here and there..
Aussieveedubbers · VW Drag Racing
berg engine support
https://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/threads/69548/berg-engine-support
vw54 ·
is that the one that bolts to the gear housing and you weld a couple of supports to the gearbox forks
or the one that goes across the back of engine and suspends of the inner guard like this
or the one that goes across the back of engine and suspends of the inner guard like this
vw54 ·
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VWCOOL ·
yeah it works,
There are better ways of stabilising the engine, but that is the 'easiest'
There are better ways of stabilising the engine, but that is the 'easiest'
1303Steve ·
Hi
I saw whole lot of these at the hardware store the other day, you just needed to cut them to length.
Steve
I saw whole lot of these at the hardware store the other day, you just needed to cut them to length.
Steve
Sick68VW ·
Thats the one im talking about...
vw54 ·
yes well they work good you can notice the difference even when corning
LIFE IN THE LOW LANE ·
Vintage sell them Dave??
hellbugged ·
yep. helped with my engine/axle hop.........
matberry ·
Called an engine traction bar.
As opposed to a berg front transmission mount.
[Damone insert photo here]
😂
As opposed to a berg front transmission mount.
[Damone insert photo here]
😂
colin ·
I have one under my car and it,s been there for about 9years now.
The car did around 15k miles before i used it Hillclimbs only. You can easily make your own and i recommend them.
I also run a Berg style tranny mount also good gear.
Cheers Col
The car did around 15k miles before i used it Hillclimbs only. You can easily make your own and i recommend them.
I also run a Berg style tranny mount also good gear.
Cheers Col
westi ·
never used one myself never had the need for it with solid mounts.
how's your heads going
how's your heads going
fullnoise ·
I had one. But it got ripped off by a bump on the old Pacific Highway near Gosford.
The road had sunk into a large dip allowing the suspension to really compress and then bang, the bar ripped right off. I still can't quite figure out how the bar got to ground level.
It turned out to be the exact spot that collapsed about 12 months ago sadly killing a family in a Ford Falcon. RIP.
I haven't fitted one since, but I don't do big wheel spins off the line so the car doesn't tramp and I don't really need one.
CT
The road had sunk into a large dip allowing the suspension to really compress and then bang, the bar ripped right off. I still can't quite figure out how the bar got to ground level.
It turned out to be the exact spot that collapsed about 12 months ago sadly killing a family in a Ford Falcon. RIP.
I haven't fitted one since, but I don't do big wheel spins off the line so the car doesn't tramp and I don't really need one.
CT
trickysimon ·
Sorry to highjack but could somebody explain to me what tramp is? (not that sort 😂)
Simon
Simon
hellbugged ·
when you do a hard, drag style take off/start and the entire driveline (box and engine) shudders up and down.
westi ·
it's like a bunch of teenage boys at a brothel,lots of banging,not something you want to hear in the back seat of your car.
trickysimon ·
Can u get this on a standard beetle or only high powered?
Simon
Simon
VWCOOL ·
fit it to a standard one if you like, but the bar is installed to fix a problem... iif there's no tramp, then it's not needed
fullnoise, yes I have torn mine off once or twice, too. It happens if you get airborne 😉
fullnoise, yes I have torn mine off once or twice, too. It happens if you get airborne 😉
punchbuggyracer ·
I've got the berg style front mount and I still get axle tramp bad even in the wet accidently spinning the wheels, are kafer bars the proper fix?
Sick68VW ·
hey westi the cars almost done got heaps done since the last time you saw it i ordered some signuture series heads off steve tims there supsose to be the muts nuts they cost a pretty penny.
fullnoise ·
Valentino, WTF do you need new heads for? Your engine was making decent horsepower with the berg heads! Quietly, have you still got the berg heads?
Regards CT
Regards CT
Mick058 ·
Interested in the answer to this...any advice?punchbuggyracer wrote:I've got the berg style front mount and I still get axle tramp bad even in the wet accidently spinning the wheels, are kafer bars the proper fix?
matberry ·
IMO
I reckon the problem with a tracion bar is that they can fatigue the body in the rear, and any idea of a removable apron and there certainly isn't enough strength in the body.
The kafer cup bars are mechanically only so good also. They are an improvement over stock, but trans hop, chassis flex, can still occur.
I would run a form of both or preferably a minimum of rear cage that pick's up the rear forks if ya gunna get serious.
Of course things like torsion bushes, shock bushes and body mounts need to be in good nick too and tight !!
I reckon the problem with a tracion bar is that they can fatigue the body in the rear, and any idea of a removable apron and there certainly isn't enough strength in the body.
The kafer cup bars are mechanically only so good also. They are an improvement over stock, but trans hop, chassis flex, can still occur.
I would run a form of both or preferably a minimum of rear cage that pick's up the rear forks if ya gunna get serious.
Of course things like torsion bushes, shock bushes and body mounts need to be in good nick too and tight !!
hellbugged ·
easy!........ still got 100kg of engine flapping on the end of the flexing forks.........even if they are tied together with the front mount.Mick058 wrote:Interested in the answer to this...any advice?punchbuggyracer wrote:I've got the berg style front mount and I still get axle tramp bad even in the wet accidently spinning the wheels, are kafer bars the proper fix?
rear traction bar should be wound up to actually preload engine (upwards say 20mm).
now you have support at nose of gearbox, mid of gearbox, rear od box AND at rear of engine.......EVEN SUPPORT all the way thru help those forks hold steady❗
....but i'm with Matt and agree support of the forks is paramount..........stich weleded + kafer bars better again, rear cage stiffer still
of course sometimes us mere mortals forget to mention the basics, engine mounts, torsion bar rubbers, shockies and their eyes, spring rates etc as the business man Matt has pointed out soooo many times before. you sound like Jeff!
matberry ·
Jeff sounds like me!!!
🤓.......................................The barstard
😂😂😂
🤓.......................................The barstard
😂😂😂
hellbugged ·
yeah, you both just sound like pros .............no use modifying on something on which all the standard gear is stuffed.
goodnight!
goodnight!
Sick68VW ·
ct i pulled the motor down for a check up and to do a coulpe of things
e.g raise the comp
spot face the case for 15mm washers and nuts
i got the heads cc'd because i have never checked them
and cause i wanted to raise the comp up i wanted to make sure eveything was right .after cc the heads i found a very big diffrence in all the cylinders 1 was 47cc
2 was 50cc 3 was 51 4 was 45cc so the comp was diffrent on all cylinders and the berg heads are very old there from the 80s so they need a lot of work to bring them back up to spec the steve tims heads are suppose to be really good ..
e.g raise the comp
spot face the case for 15mm washers and nuts
i got the heads cc'd because i have never checked them
and cause i wanted to raise the comp up i wanted to make sure eveything was right .after cc the heads i found a very big diffrence in all the cylinders 1 was 47cc
2 was 50cc 3 was 51 4 was 45cc so the comp was diffrent on all cylinders and the berg heads are very old there from the 80s so they need a lot of work to bring them back up to spec the steve tims heads are suppose to be really good ..
punchbuggyracer ·
Yes I have the new engine mounts Poly ones, with a stronger cradle and berg style front mount. I think I'll need to replace the torssion rubbers and trailing arm rubbers before I do the kafer and what not.
Cheers
Cheers
westi ·
still got you wheels and shit down here big fella.
pickup would be nice
pickup would be nice
punchbuggyracer ·
When you say "front, middle and rear" with the berg style mid mount do you still retain the factory cone mount? I cut mine off because it didnt fit when I moved the engine forward 35mm (dont ask).
How critical are the pivot arm bushes?
I replaced the torsion bar bushes, inner with rubber and outers with poly (thats all I could get at such sort notice). Its now tramping on normal take offs. The only way to stop it is by reving hard and riding the clutch heavily.
The pivot arm bushes do look stuffed one of them has bits hanging out the sides.
Is this a thread Hijack? Sorry if it is.
How critical are the pivot arm bushes?
I replaced the torsion bar bushes, inner with rubber and outers with poly (thats all I could get at such sort notice). Its now tramping on normal take offs. The only way to stop it is by reving hard and riding the clutch heavily.
The pivot arm bushes do look stuffed one of them has bits hanging out the sides.
Is this a thread Hijack? Sorry if it is.
matberry ·
Sounds like your prob is clutch shudder. You dont get axle tramp on normal take off's!
Clutch shudder is caused from oil on the clutch drive plate or incorrect bowden tube adjustment or damaged pressure plate [less common].
Clutch shudder is caused from oil on the clutch drive plate or incorrect bowden tube adjustment or damaged pressure plate [less common].
punchbuggyracer ·
and that would still make the car jump up and down?
VWCOOL ·
Clutch shudder won't make 'car jump up and down' but it will shake the shell enough to rattle the doors and windows. Quite unpleasant
BeetleJuice ·
My Bug has a Berg front mount which I actually modified so I didn't have to weld. I also have a Berg Engine bar and I've experienced no wheel hop from memory!...............😁
CP
CP
Craig Torrens ·
did they have wheel hop back then Craig ??!
BeetleJuice ·
Yes,and Gene was a teenager then!😁