Shortened Sumps

Is there a shoterned subaru sump thats cast? i.e. not a standard one chopped and welded up that looks hack.

Yes ratbug has a nice alloy one .
send him a pm .he may have pics??

Out of Germany, I have one, got it while in the UK 😀 Though quite pricey... quality seems good, but I have not tested.

http://www.bugat5speed.de/cms/content/view/30/53/lang,en/

Send him a email, speaks english. You can Babe Fish that web site to.

custom vee dub only have a modified stock one for $600 bucks!

boof2332 made me one for a lot less than that. send him a pm. He's in Sydney.

Better still I'll send you his mobile.

Pete

Here's by bug@5speed one.









Think that will do for pics... Last one is jacking the car up with the jack under the sump.

liam66 wrote:custom vee dub only have a modified stock one for $600 bucks!

Yes other may be cheaper but we pressure test ours for leaks , can the back yard boys claim the same

OZ Towdster wrote:

liam66 wrote:custom vee dub only have a modified stock one for $600 bucks!

Yes other may be cheaper but we pressure test ours for leaks , can the back yard boys claim the same

Don't want to tread on anyone's toes here ( but I usually do) but thats pretty expensive for an exchange , modified stocker that looks pretty ordinary.
I can let our aprentice knock one up (and no I wouldn't presure test it, just sack him if it leaks) or I could scratch build it myself ( our computer has a lan connection to our laser cutter)... but a cast alloy job is what I'm after. This thing will be pretty showy and also cop a hard time later, so Im chasing presentation.

What you also can't see , is that the aluminium ones don't have a windage tray fitted i believe (although i may be wrong on this ) which is a nessasery component of any sum if it is to be used in a competition car or subjected to steep angles offroad .
As for the price of our item , i invite you to tell us how long it takes your apprentice to make one and then add in overheads etc and you will quickley find out we are not making the big money everybody seems to think you make out of a VW based shop.

I charge $100 an hour for fabrication (workshop costs eat about $50/hour)
Theres $50 worth of steel and laser cutting in that. Considering that design uses the original top 2/3rds, it's not rocket science.
There's not 5.5 hours of labour in the first one and certainly less in any after that.
We've just had a custom sump made for a commodore v6 in a rock buggy, baffled and windage tray fitted. all from scratch, ( i.e not a chopped off original) extra heavy base, 5 day turnaround, $450 in bare metal. Guaranteed leak free.


But thats not the point, I 'm trying to avoid a modified original or a fabricated sheet metal one.

No worries buddy , if you do end up fabricating a sump from scratch as opposed to an Ally one i will be more than happy to inspect it and possibly buy a few from you as it would save all of us the hassel of the exchange problem.
Keep us posted .

Thanks Andrew

If you're after a cast one, get the bug@5speed one mail order from Germany. It takes a couple of weeks to get here via DHL and it's at your door. The quality of the sump is 100% and yes it has baffles welded into it. If you think you need a windage tray (maybe you're planning on having the thing at 45 degrees angle all day) then tig one into it.

For my money this cast one is 450000% better looking and finished than any chopped up and rewelded original one.

Tell us how much it cost now. Coz I know it makes any of the other options look cheap. 🙁

yes it looks cool but there is no way i'll be running a big hp motor with a sump which has lost 30~40% of its capacity, there has to be a better option.

Stephen

ttriebler wrote:If you're after a cast one, get the bug@5speed one mail order from Germany. It takes a couple of weeks to get here via DHL and it's at your door. The quality of the sump is 100% and yes it has baffles welded into it. If you think you need a windage tray (maybe you're planning on having the thing at 45 degrees angle all day) then tig one into it.

For my money this cast one is 450000% better looking and finished than any chopped up and rewelded original one.

dont want to sound rude! that sump does not hold enought oil....if i remember it only holds 3litres there abouts🙅

It holds 4.25 litres I just read it on his website

mackaymanx wrote:It holds 4.25 litres I just read it on his website

ok!

mackaymanx wrote:It holds 4.25 litres I just read it on his website

And at $554 Aussie dollars plus postage/tax etc it looks to be great value!!!!!

liam66 wrote:I charge $100 an hour for fabrication (workshop costs eat about $50/hour)
Theres $50 worth of steel and laser cutting in that. Considering that design uses the original top 2/3rds, it's not rocket science.
There's not 5.5 hours of labour in the first one and certainly less in any after that.
We've just had a custom sump made for a commodore v6 in a rock buggy, baffled and windage tray fitted. all from scratch, ( i.e not a chopped off original) extra heavy base, 5 day turnaround, $450 in bare metal. Guaranteed leak free.


But thats not the point, I 'm trying to avoid a modified original or a fabricated sheet metal one.

I wasn't gunna buy into this argument but can't help myself.

Yes Liam I know you have a shop an can fab and yes I know you are in la la land if you think you can make one the same as CVD in under 5.5 hrs ......

If you actually bothered to look at the sump you will see a few things that make it the best option on the market if you don't want some poser alloy unit.

The CVD sump is the only sump on the market that gives more than 50mm of ground clearance back. At 85mm it is way out in front .. 35mm is a lot in the subie converted VW world.

The CVD sump has been CAD designed and not slapped together by some apprentice in a few hours. The CAD design was done to ensure that oil capacity was retained, factory dip stick could be used and factory oil surge issues where a thing of the past.

The CVD sump is provided exchange and done so to ensure a perfect fit. They use the top 45mm or so of the factory sump and the factory pickup which is modified to suit. Crush tubes are added to allow the sump to bolt up easily and still allow factory engine mounts to be used.

As I hate internet wanna be's, and I know you are not one of them I will buy 10 sumps cuts off you for $50 each as per your above post. That would be $500, so let me know when I can have them and I will pay you the $$$. You and I know that ain’t gunna happen and if it does I can onsell them to CVD and still make money on what CVD are paying for them, even buying them in batches of 20 the cut length is such that the cost is over your $50 without material and design time.

I even own my own CNC Cutter and would be flat out doing them for $50 even with bugger all overheads.

So u gunna put your fab skill where you mouth is ? or have I gotten it wrong and you are just another internet quoting tyre kicking 4WD fab shop that likes to slag of prices of others saying you can do it cheaper than everyone else but never following through ???

oh and yeah I looked at the BugA5Speed sump but landed it was a lot closser to $1000 than $600 and had a few issues with clearance, oil pickup and supply......

Buggy Brad wrote:................. and had a few issues with clearance, oil pickup and supply......

Can you elaborate a little on that???

MickH wrote:

Buggy Brad wrote:................. and had a few issues with clearance, oil pickup and supply......

Can you elaborate a little on that???

Before the CVD one was designed and built I tried to find out some more about the Bug Sump and was told it was 40mm shorter than stock and had less than factory oil capacity and he had a few leaking issues. You also had to modify your own pickup and the quote I got on delivery was stupid.

Martin may have done some work on it since then but I don;t see the point in spending close to $1k and not getting max clearance back.

340 Euro included postage to Australia.

MickH wrote:340 Euro included postage to Australia.

Wow so $560 AUD delivered plus GST and import duty if he declares it so still under $700.

I stand corrected then cost is about the same as the CVD unit then. I guess it just comes down to how much clearance you want to get .

Is he doing pickups with that ?

The CVD ones will drop by about $150 once Liam sends me the batch of cutouts ready to go at $50 ea

I guess the aussie dollar is looking good at the mo.

Hi

No import duty under $1000.00, are you sure that is the price including freight?

In a rear engined car we are all running the oil system back to front, so there is going to be a compromise that may end in tears or some trophies for the garage wall.

Has anyone ever used an Accusump? I know that Geoff from Hellbug used one on his hillclimb car, he may also have one on the Notch as well.

Steve

I need a shortened sump, have been looking for one for about a year now with no luck, looks like im about to shell out $550 for a off road one, (dam!!)

Boof doesn't want to make one for me, he was supposed to give me the number for a shop that makes the top section (CNC) which I could then weld custom sides and bottom onto, any one got that number??

Any way I got $400 for anyone that can knock one up for me that will be suited for drag racing. I can supply 2x stock sumps for you to play around with.

cheers

Davo

0401 253 988

1303Steve wrote:Hi

No import duty under $1000.00, are you sure that is the price including freight?

In a rear engined car we are all running the oil system back to front, so there is going to be a compromise that may end in tears or some trophies for the garage wall.

Has anyone ever used an Accusump? I know that Geoff from Hellbug used one on his hillclimb car, he may also have one on the Notch as well.

Steve

Hi Michael,

thank you for your interst in my sumps. Price is 285 Euro plus 52 Euro freight.

Payment via bank transfer.



Kind Regards

Martin Bott
Bott Fahrzeugtechnik
Bug @ 5-Speed Fahrzeugteile
Zur Ritterschlucht 3
D-36115 Hilders
Tel.: +49/(0)6681/9170742
Fax: +49/(0)6681/9170743
e-mail: info@bugat5speed.de
URL: www.bugat5speed.de


michael
24.07.2008 14:46
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This is an enquiry e-mail via http://www.bugat5speed.de/cms from:
michael

Hi from Australia!!! Could you give me the price on your alloy shortened sump including postage to Australia,potcode/zip 4815. Thank you for your help!!

Michael Hutchinson

$551 AU for that work of Euro Art, compared to $550 for a strange lookin apprentice machanic custom off road unit.

Come on Brad time to lower your prices mate.

Hey MickH

Ill buy one, see if he can do a better price for 2 or 3, im sure some one else will want one

I might even ask the WRX forums if they are interested.

Translated page:

Already before approx. 10 years it was clear for us that the evolution of the WBX engine could be actually only OHC or the DOHC double-piston engine of the Japanese manufacturer Subaru. After 100.000 km with a Legacy, even driven, one at that time already wished oneself this everyday life-suited and matured engine into the own 1303.






At that time before the change it back-frightened that there were still too few specialists for things such as expanders and adapted wiring harnesses. Fortunately there is further idealists, which recognized that the Subaru boxer reliably 100mal better the beetle fits, than any row engine (even if it originates from the house VOLKSWAGEN). It formed its own small scene, which concerns itself with the production of special parts and the installation of these engines. Since with all changes seen so far deep, optically extremely unattractive, or shortened oil pan had held from the installation of a “Subaru”, one took forwards for remedy to provide itself. Due to earlier model construction amateur driving and other cast parts a 2-piece oil pan from aluminum casting developed.

This tub is 5 cm flatter than the original and permits oil contents of 4,25 litres. Most shortened oil pans are about 3,5 litres of volume. The tub has cooling fins on the lower surface, those the engine also from downside revaluations. The main use of the ribs is however the substantially reduced heat development in the engine. Tests at a turbo engine with plentifully HP, built into 1303 brought the result that the water temperature sank at first attempt by 10 degrees. Inside 2 bulkheads are trained, which prevent a way sloshing of the oil in fast driven curves. The cultivation is absolutely problem-free, since all drillings of the original were taken over. The original dipstick can be re-used. Shortening the original oil sucking in pipe is not large history and can by us be taken over if necessary. The oil drain plug of the Subaru can be used.


4.25 litres of oil amount of filling
12 cm overall height
reduced heat development
Bulkheads
easy assembly
optical revaluation

72type3wrx wrote:$551 AU for that work of Euro Art, compared to $550 for a strange lookin apprentice machanic custom off road unit.

Come on Brad time to lower your prices mate.

Brad doesn't own or work for custom offroad, so the price has nothing to do with him. He is simply pointing out the work required to make the steel unit if very high. There is a lot of labour involved hence the price. Making more doesn't make it any cheaper. If you look at the custom offroad unit, you will see it is very time consuming to make as it is quite an intricate shape with a lot of fine welding (look at all the crush tubes welded top and bottom).

The alloy unit is the opposite. It has very little labour, just the cost of the original casting / mould set-up. The more that person makes the cheaper it is, and/or once the set-up costs are covered making more is cheaper. Sure they will be some machining after the casting process.

And as already pointed out, the cast unit looks pretty but has very little in the way of functional internals.

dont know where i got Brad from then, could have sworn he replied to me from a email i sent to custom off road,

any way, sorry brad your prices are still great!

72type3wrx wrote:$551 AU for that work of Euro Art, compared to $550 for a strange lookin apprentice machanic custom off road unit.

Come on Brad time to lower your prices mate.

JUST FOR THE RECORD....I run a CVD sump on my Manx and have had no problems with either leakage or fitment.In fact I've had a few very hard knocks to the sump that have been caused by concrete smashing through the bash plate and the sump has survived,where the alloy one would not have. I suggest you do your own research and decide what you want before you jump on any particular "band wagen" as they would need to suit your appliction and not someone elses. I WILL NOT bag anyone elses products and would suggest you do the same. As with anything from overseas,wheather it be an engine or a light bulb,warranty is something that will not exist once it leaves foreign shores,where a local product will be warranted. Choose carefully before you take the gamble.
Rant over...

Michael

72type3wrx wrote:dont know where i got Brad from then, could have sworn he replied to me from a email i sent to custom off road,

any way, sorry brad your prices are still great!

Brad used to (jointly) own COR. He sold it (his part). So he knows why the prices are what they are, but he is no longer responsible for them and gets nothing out of justifying why they are what they are.

Here is a pic of my COR sump. Yes its a bit shorter than the alloy one. If I remember correctly it was about 20mm.



Here's a pic of the two installed side by side. COR is on the left (a bit hard to see, but the bottom is pretty much in line with the bottom of the exhaust., Alloy on the right.

72type3wrx wrote:$551 AU for that work of Euro Art, compared to $550 for a strange lookin apprentice machanic custom off road unit.

Come on Brad time to lower your prices mate.

Ok .. not ...

As Wes has pointed out I no longer own, work for or at COR / CVD. But I did the pricing on the sumps.

The one Ratbug posted is the old design, the new ones are CNC cut and much nicer. I will post a pic on the one on the Geko later as it is now generation.

In relation to pricing, although I would not usually do it with these sumps I will post the cost. Keeping in mind this is the now cost and does not take into account the initial design and many hours of development.

These were the COR Sump costings in Jan last year, since then steel has gone up over 25% as have labour rates.


Supply and cut of upper and bottom sump plates - $85 (in a batch of 6 as that is what they fit on a sheet)
Crush tub material $6
Stainless elbow for oil pickup $7
Acid clean and Zinc Coat - $11
Total Parts - $109
Cleaning of supplied stock sump 1/3 hr
Cutting of Stock sump - 1/3 hr
Cutting and modification to oil pickup, tig weld, test fit - 1/3 hr
Fabrication of shortened sump. presure test and clean - 4 hrs

Total Labour - 5 hrs
Hourly Rate - $88
Total Labour Cost $498

Total Sump Cost - $549

Since then labour has gone up to $99 an hr for fabrication and as said steel has gone up over 25%.

The price has been left at $550 as they are done as a fill in job.

As for the apprentice doing them .. ah nope done by a fabricator with about 15 yrs on the tools. CVD / COR have tried several times to outsource the fabrication of the units to get costs down and have had a few guys jump at the chance. Funnily enough once they do one they see that there is no big $$$$ to be made as they take at least 4 hrs even if you are batching them.

Anyway I have said enough on the sumps.

It is interesting to hear that there is no duites on under $1000. I flew back from the USA a few months back and the paperwork I was given was $400. I also had a RJES sump delivered and the paperwork there again reflected $400 as the limit. I hope this has changed.

I have some L Bug parts in the mail so I hope that the limit is $1k as I hate paying tax's...

It really is horses for courses.. I am looking at a Bag@ sump for my Iguana because the Turbo Headers hang down belog the CVD one and they are not made to fit a Turbo engine anyway due to oil cooling lines. I would want baffles in there though.

Couple of more options to consider:

http://www.ballisticmotors.com/CSS/partssubaru.htm
$250US


http://www.smallcar.com/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=69
$250US


http://www.lola332.com/subaruparts.htm
$unknown


http://www.hyperflow.com.au/0607_sump.html
$unknown




http://www.sharpbuilt.com.au/dunebug.htm
$unknown - Australia

Ok a few of those don't fall into the catagory of a shortened sump and are just high capacity performance sumps but they do look very nice. Outfront Motorsports shorten their sumps and just raise the oil level to regain capacity [ http://www.outfrontmotorsports.com/oil_pan.htm ] I won't go into the merits or pitfalls of that, it's too much of a minefield. But they also offer sumps with "kickouts" as they call them.


MRT Rally Sump

outfront are imo the leading subie conversion business in this game at the moment they field test their gear in "real" off road punishing conditions not some lame dirt road or just "up the beach" a few times

Sharpbuilt sell shortened sumps which have the original baffles and surge plate in it. Uses the original dip stick and comes with a shortened oil pickup. Costs $430 exchange.

BlueV2 wrote:Sharpbuilt sell shortened sumps which have the original baffles and surge plate in it. Uses the original dip stick and comes with a shortened oil pickup. Costs $430 exchange.

mmmm do they do one that goes on the bottom of the engine as well or just on the top ?

hehe. Its easier to fit them on the top....saves having to get under the motor and get dirty and stuff... 😂

I spent the dollars getting the laser cutter to copy the flatbolt on setion from a stock sump. He will now bust out copies in3mm, with all the holes perfectly drilled for $60. you then have to make a sump under it. Ill find thenumber ...he is in castle hill...goes by the name of johny no fingers...he has vw's.

matt

boof2332 wrote:I spent the dollars getting the laser cutter to copy the flatbolt on setion from a stock sump. He will now bust out copies in3mm, with all the holes perfectly drilled for $60. you then have to make a sump under it. Ill find thenumber ...he is in castle hill...goes by the name of johny no fingers...he has vw's.

matt

Can you pm me that number please Matt........thanx

Any contact details please?
Dave

I have to buy a couple in the next week, he probably wont sell them to anyone without the nod from me as i paid $200 for him to work out the computer measurements so he can just bustuot copies. In saying that i do not really care who gets one so ill talk to him.
Still trying to find his number....near castle hill tavern

matt

call me 0416 115 993 and il grab one if you want one.

matt

Hi

I received my sump today from Bugsat5speed, thanks to Mike H for going to all the trouble to organise a group buy. I'm very happy with it and cant wait to fit it.

Steve

Buggy Brad wrote:

liam66 wrote:I charge $100 an hour for fabrication (workshop costs eat about $50/hour)
Theres $50 worth of steel and laser cutting in that. Considering that design uses the original top 2/3rds, it's not rocket science.
There's not 5.5 hours of labour in the first one and certainly less in any after that.
We've just had a custom sump made for a commodore v6 in a rock buggy, baffled and windage tray fitted. all from scratch, ( i.e not a chopped off original) extra heavy base, 5 day turnaround, $450 in bare metal. Guaranteed leak free.


But thats not the point, I 'm trying to avoid a modified original or a fabricated sheet metal one.

I wasn't gunna buy into this argument but can't help myself.

Yes Liam I know you have a shop an can fab and yes I know you are in la la land if you think you can make one the same as CVD in under 5.5 hrs ......

If you actually bothered to look at the sump you will see a few things that make it the best option on the market if you don't want some poser alloy unit.

The CVD sump is the only sump on the market that gives more than 50mm of ground clearance back. At 85mm it is way out in front .. 35mm is a lot in the subie converted VW world.

The CVD sump has been CAD designed and not slapped together by some apprentice in a few hours. The CAD design was done to ensure that oil capacity was retained, factory dip stick could be used and factory oil surge issues where a thing of the past.

The CVD sump is provided exchange and done so to ensure a perfect fit. They use the top 45mm or so of the factory sump and the factory pickup which is modified to suit. Crush tubes are added to allow the sump to bolt up easily and still allow factory engine mounts to be used.

As I hate internet wanna be's, and I know you are not one of them I will buy 10 sumps cuts off you for $50 each as per your above post. That would be $500, so let me know when I can have them and I will pay you the $$$. You and I know that ain’t gunna happen and if it does I can onsell them to CVD and still make money on what CVD are paying for them, even buying them in batches of 20 the cut length is such that the cost is over your $50 without material and design time.

I even own my own CNC Cutter and would be flat out doing them for $50 even with bugger all overheads.

So u gunna put your fab skill where you mouth is ? or have I gotten it wrong and you are just another internet quoting tyre kicking 4WD fab shop that likes to slag of prices of others saying you can do it cheaper than everyone else but never following through ???

Good to hear the Bug@5's arrived. I have given up on Liam from BBM sending me the sump cut outs at $50 a set. Guess he was just another internet fabricator.

Have you checked your emails Brad?????????

MickH wrote:Have you checked your emails Brad?????????

Yep .. nothing there from you though, sent you a PM

Buggy Brad wrote:

Buggy Brad wrote:

liam66 wrote:I charge $100 an hour for fabrication (workshop costs eat about $50/hour)
Theres $50 worth of steel and laser cutting in that. Considering that design uses the original top 2/3rds, it's not rocket science.
There's not 5.5 hours of labour in the first one and certainly less in any after that.
We've just had a custom sump made for a commodore v6 in a rock buggy, baffled and windage tray fitted. all from scratch, ( i.e not a chopped off original) extra heavy base, 5 day turnaround, $450 in bare metal. Guaranteed leak free.


But thats not the point, I 'm trying to avoid a modified original or a fabricated sheet metal one.

I wasn't gunna buy into this argument but can't help myself.

Yes Liam I know you have a shop an can fab and yes I know you are in la la land if you think you can make one the same as CVD in under 5.5 hrs ......

If you actually bothered to look at the sump you will see a few things that make it the best option on the market if you don't want some poser alloy unit.

The CVD sump is the only sump on the market that gives more than 50mm of ground clearance back. At 85mm it is way out in front .. 35mm is a lot in the subie converted VW world.

The CVD sump has been CAD designed and not slapped together by some apprentice in a few hours. The CAD design was done to ensure that oil capacity was retained, factory dip stick could be used and factory oil surge issues where a thing of the past.

The CVD sump is provided exchange and done so to ensure a perfect fit. They use the top 45mm or so of the factory sump and the factory pickup which is modified to suit. Crush tubes are added to allow the sump to bolt up easily and still allow factory engine mounts to be used.

As I hate internet wanna be's, and I know you are not one of them I will buy 10 sumps cuts off you for $50 each as per your above post. That would be $500, so let me know when I can have them and I will pay you the $$$. You and I know that ain’t gunna happen and if it does I can onsell them to CVD and still make money on what CVD are paying for them, even buying them in batches of 20 the cut length is such that the cost is over your $50 without material and design time.

I even own my own CNC Cutter and would be flat out doing them for $50 even with bugger all overheads.

So u gunna put your fab skill where you mouth is ? or have I gotten it wrong and you are just another internet quoting tyre kicking 4WD fab shop that likes to slag of prices of others saying you can do it cheaper than everyone else but never following through ???

Good to hear the Bug@5's arrived. I have given up on Liam from BBM sending me the sump cut outs at $50 a set. Guess he was just another internet fabricator.

Brad,
Hold on sport, I said there's $50 worth of steel in it, not that I'd supply the steel, cut them them out and send them to you for $50. It doesn't seem to hard too understand?

I didn't attack anyone's 'product' , just asked what the options are. Then when quizzed I said I wanted something more presentable- not half an old sump with a box welded on.

I didn't attack anyone personally! You don't know me and I don't know you from a bar of soap- although I believe I'm developing an opinion. You believe I'm a web-fabricator- fine. Beleive what you will. I really dont have the time or inclination to get into a dick size comparison with you.

I really dont care how well the COR pan is or isn't made- I don't want one. Hence the first post- what else is there?

You really think that CAD drawing the cutting diagram makes all the difference? It only has to get drawn once, save the file. Cut, fold and weld- it's not rocket science.

I'm sorry if I've offended you Brad, but i don't see why folks should get abused for looking for an option to your product. I'm perfectly entitled to spend my money somewhere other than COR- I don't like your product- get over it. I'm afraid I don't subscribe to the 'it's got to be ugly to work well' school.

COR said it will take a few weeks and Sharpbuild said he can do it more or less straight away.

What I want to know is which sump will take the most battering?

what are you doing with the car? if offroad, then probably the COR sump. Otherwise, the sharpbuilt is probably quite adequate for anything else. If the car is lowered, an Ali sump guard would help either.

Ive got a piece of dirt out west, like 600k's lots of creek crossings and ruts in the dirt roads so it will be punished. You should have seen under my forrester 😁. Anyway I sent my sump off this morning to Custom Off Road cause their sumps look stronger. Prolly worth the wait I reckon.

liam66 wrote:I'm afraid I don't subscribe to the 'it's got to be ugly to work well' school.

A lot of trailer queen vehicle owners I have seen have this approach in my personal opinion. Full stop.

1303Steve wrote:Hi

I received my sump today from Bugsat5speed, thanks to Mike H for going to all the trouble to organise a group buy. I'm very happy with it and cant wait to fit it.

Steve

Thanx for the posetive comments Steve! Will do a picture trade when we fit ours to the new buggy!!!🤘

helbus wrote:

liam66 wrote:I'm afraid I don't subscribe to the 'it's got to be ugly to work well' school.

A lot of trailer queen vehicle owners I have seen have this approach in my personal opinion. Full stop.

Helbus, I think you'd be mightily impressed by some of the "ugly" things Liam66 has built. I certainly was...and none of them were trailer queens. Think tough truck challenge and you have the idea. 🤘

MickH wrote:

1303Steve wrote:Hi

I received my sump today from Bugsat5speed, thanks to Mike H for going to all the trouble to organise a group buy. I'm very happy with it and cant wait to fit it.

Steve

Thanx for the posetive comments Steve! Will do a picture trade when we fit ours to the new buggy!!!🤘

spewin i missed this one.............PM how much they worked out at please

$471 delivered to your door....I should have ordered 12 of them......and NO I made no money on them.

MickH wrote:$471 delivered to your door....I should have ordered 12 of them......and NO I made no money on them.

Doh! $471 for the Bug@5speed one? Where the hell was I? Mick, would he do more? Hellugged, do you want one?
PM me details if possible, Mick.
Steve

pete wood wrote:

helbus wrote:

liam66 wrote:I'm afraid I don't subscribe to the 'it's got to be ugly to work well' school.

A lot of trailer queen vehicle owners I have seen have this approach in my personal opinion. Full stop.

Helbus, I think you'd be mightily impressed by some of the "ugly" things Liam66 has built. I certainly was...and none of them were trailer queens. Think tough truck challenge and you have the idea. 🤘

That is what I mean. Things don't always have to be pretty. Working well (like a tough truck) is a fantastic primary function.

Then I suppose ugliness is in the eye of the beholder.

MickH wrote:Thanx for the posetive comments Steve! Will do a picture trade when we fit ours to the new buggy!!!🤘

Hi

No worries, a second group buy maybe in order.

I may take a while to get mine fitted, I'm really having a push to get my car ready to go to the painters then I can concentrate on the mechanical bits. I've realised that my modified Subaru engine mounts will be in the way, so I will need to redo them.

Maybe you could do a step by step on the fitting of the sump.

Steve

Hutcho wrote:$471 delivered to your door... Hellugged, do you want one?

Steve

yeah, after the $$ recover from Warwick tho🥲

Hi

No worries, a second group buy maybe in order.

I may take a while to get mine fitted, I'm really having a push to get my car ready to go to the painters then I can concentrate on the mechanical bits. I've realised that my modified Subaru engine mounts will be in the way, so I will need to redo them.

Maybe you could do a step by step on the fitting of the sump.

Steve

Ummm... Steve. Why dont you sell your one to me for $500 and buy another one for yourself in the next group buy ;-)
Cant hurt in asking!!!!!
Steve

Hi guys,

don´t worry, there will be more of them! I regularly do these sumps. Just am doing some on my CNC-mill. Have two available of this batch, all others are sold again.
The bottle neck is mostly the faundry. They have a lot to do currently and most of the time I get less than I ordered.

MickH, thanks for your positive comments and for what you did by taking the risk of a group buy.

Another group buy would be the cheapest option for those who are interested, but I also send single ones to Australia.

Thanks again for your trust in me and my products.

Although there is discussion on my parts at the moment there have already been some good orders from Australia the last 2-3 years.

Martin Bott
Bug @ 5-Speed
Germany