global warming my arse

It snowed in Wollongong yesterday!

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Global warming is starting to go out the window, no kidding.

People still believe it.

BUT! the investigators and scientific institutes involved are baffled as to some of the weather patterns going on. It doesn't match what was predicted from global warming, nor follow their assumed results and ideals of what today's weather was going to be like. These predictions and what not, being from yrs ago when they first brought up the concept.

Some claim its just the world having somewhat of a climatic cycle that stretches for yrs... rather than a global warming epidemic. Maybe you need to use your car a little more Chris, warm the place back up 😉

I was using a terribly inefficient fan heater powered by coal. I guess thats why the snow went away.

it's not global warming - its climate change accelerated by humans.
some paces get warmer, some colder, some more rain, some less.
in any case, increases in extremes of weather will be become more common.

nice pics though!

It is heat that 'powers' weather, so GW causes an increases in extremes of weather such as snow in the Gong

Anyone who doesn't believe GW is 'real' is an idiot

Call me an idiot, but i don't think human existance would even register as a blip on the earths timeline. I think its a little bit short sighted to think that by studying weather patterns over the past, few hundred years, we could possibly predict whats going to happen in another hundred years.
I aslo think that as humans we like to belive that everything revolves around us.
My 2 cents
P.S 'snowbal fight'!

i have just got out of the surf, nice little 2 to 3 ft waves glassy & no one else around
hmmm same state different weather.

is that snow or Hail ?????????

in between. It was raining slurpy!

Does anybody want to buy a harbour bridge or tickets to the Olympic opening ceremony?

Amazing photos. I have never seen snow outside of Perisher/Smiggins, and I've never seen a decent hail storm either.

Of course climate is changing. Climate has been changing over the whole history of the Earth, some 4.6 billion years. There have been long periods of hot; long periods of cold. There have been times of world-wide ice ages, world-wide deserts, world-wide tropics. Oceans have been 100m lower than now, and 100m higher. There have been periods where life has flourished, and others when life has almost died out. The earth has been hot and wet; cold and wet; hot and dry; cold and dry; and everything in between.

The reasons are many and varied. The sun's output is almost constant but not quite, with many short and long-term cycles laid over one another. Earth's orbit is not circular, nor is it constant. Earth's axial tilt changes. The moon's orbit has changed. The Earth's magnetic field changes, moves, fluctuates and reverses. Continents move, drifting both over and away from the poles. Historically, it is most unusual to have two polar ice caps at once. The Earth is currently moving out of a colder-than-normal scenario when you look at things in terms of, say, the last 1,000,000 years.

The question is whether human activity is having any effect. We have been here such a short time - a bare eyeblink - that it is impossible to say without knowing more about the larger, natural effects. CO2 increased from 270 parts per million to 300 parts per million between 1750 and 1850 (as revealed by ice core measurements), which humans could not have caused. Could there be a natural process for CO2 increase that has been overlooked?

Water vapour contributes up to 70% of the Earth's 'greenhouse' effect (based on abundance and absorbtion of infrared radiation), far more than CO2 or methane. Not much we can do about that !

put it this way...

we are making CO2 emmissions by burning products of oil (petrol, kero, av gas.. u name it) and coal

OIL and COAL are fossil fuels... formed by hi pressures and temperatures underground on dead flora and fauna material. (leaves, dead dinos... u name it right).

Does that mean than, we are simply returning the CO2 they were living in and we are reviving the original atmosphere the earth had? How could be be destroying the earth from these emmissions if its just returning it to the same state where technology and cars and what not didn't even exist, back to an atmosphere where the time period had more dense flora and fauna thriving happily.

Think about it 😏

The polar caps are receding. Last spotted on Amazeer's front lawn😀

I sell sunblock, mosquito spray & poison ivy cream if anyone's interested heh heh

Tim Andrews im with you brother

Hi

I'm all for looking after the planet and not making a mess for future generations, but this whole carbon credit thing looks like a good way for some to make money and others to suffer.

Steve

Hmm perhaps I should have just titled the thread fuck its cold... which it actually wasnt that cold yesterday, the weekend was much colder. But now that we're here

Because we cant prove one way or another it comes down to who's propaganda you want to listen to. I think there would be far less opposition to the global warming theory if it were the cheaper option.

Regardless of temperature, I know the sky is dirty brown and it would be nicer without that. I know that there isnt brown stuff in the country but the bigger the city the more brown stuff is there in the air. Based on those facts I have a theory that people cause brown stuff. I know that the population is rising and therefore emissions of brown stuff are increasing. Everybody who likes smog, put their hand up now!

I know that allergies and asthma and cancers are on the rise. I also know that when I was a kid I could spend all day at the beach without getting sunburnt. I can only remember one time in my childhood getting sunburnt and that was when mum took us to the snow for the first time and didnt think it would be hot enough to get burnt! And now I get a little burnt after watching my daughter play netball for 1 hour. Thats what has happened over the last 30 years, That trend continued, you wont be able to go outside for 5 minutes by the time I'm ready to retire.

The world is getting hotter, nobody denies that. Its just the cause that is up for debate. You can sit around till the cows come home, already microwaved just slice them up and serve and tell anyone its not your fault and have a happy conscience. Or you can attempt to try and at least slow it down just in case it IS your fault. Maybe it IS our fault but it isnt proven yet... thalidomide, asbestos, lead, dalcon shield... all good things until proven otherwise.

If you are arrogant enough to think that some things arent absolute and no way no how it can be carbon related, and no matter what you burn the world is still going to heat up, surely it would be better and healthier to let it heat up with cleaner air. Would you not want to reduce smog if you could? Well you know you can.

I dont fully agree with carbon credits. I cant see how letting the big polluters pollute if the give money to non polluters does anything for the environment. I think it would be more useful if the big polluters were made to spend the money on pollution reduction.


Does anyone think that the smog reduction measures in Beijing are shite? I cant believe 17 million people are living there every day of their lives in that smog, and then a couple of thousand sports people go there and demand clean air so that they can run fast. So they effectively shut the whole place down! If it isnt Olympics related, its closed!

Hi

Plenty of blue sky in my part of Sydney. You only need to look to the middle ages to see that things have been warmer in the past, the Romans grew grapes in Britain and how do you think Greenland got its name.

Steve

Kevin 07 will save us.
What a crock of shit he wouldnt know his arse from his elbow on this.

These pollies and greenies must think the population are stupid to believe this GW nonsense.
It's just another propaganda scam for the Gov to make money on.

Honestly when Kev and the other clowns came up with the idea of this carbon crap scam and that it would cost $5 Billion (which we'd have to pay for) surely for the money that's been considered, it could have been spent on creating better infrastructure for creating greener power etc.....

Cheers

Flintstones wrote:These pollies and greenies must think the population are stupid to believe this GW nonsense.
It's just another propaganda scam for the Gov to make money on.

Honestly when Kev and the other clowns came up with the idea of this carbon crap scam and that it would cost $5 Billion (which we'd have to pay for) surely for the money that's been considered, it could have been spent on creating better infrastructure for creating greener power etc.....

Cheers

Huh? Why do you want green power if its GW nonsense?

GW...........what a crock.👍

amazeer wrote:

Flintstones wrote:These pollies and greenies must think the population are stupid to believe this GW nonsense.
It's just another propaganda scam for the Gov to make money on.

Honestly when Kev and the other clowns came up with the idea of this carbon crap scam and that it would cost $5 Billion (which we'd have to pay for) surely for the money that's been considered, it could have been spent on creating better infrastructure for creating greener power etc.....

Cheers

Huh? Why do you want green power if its GW nonsense?

😂 I thought the same...... green's so-oo last season anyway.. This seasons hottest trend is purple...... make a bold statement and impress your friends by being part of the 'In' crowd.......purplepower is HOT, Green is NOT....Carbon trading is no longer considered cool either, it's yu-gi-oh swapcard revival month in the playground, that and coloured rubber bands,, swap them, stretch them, flick them...hours of fun for kids of all ages.....Scientists have confirmed rubber bands in fact reduce cancer by up to 75.8%........How do we know this is true? Because ACA says so...🥷 🤓

Global warming is just another beat up like the Y2K bug was.....everyone has to spend up big to stop the world collapsing due the to Y2K bug.....fizzled out when the clocks turned over and nothing happened....

lardo wrote:Kevin 07 will save us.
What a crock of shit he wouldnt know his arse from his elbow on this.

I clicked onto page 2 to find some insightful retort.🤓
Nearly fell of me chair laughing so hard.😂😂
Bloody ripper and true!!😊

Where's the proof that global warmings not real? Beat up theories or not, is cleaning up our act such a bad thing?

$2.63 homebrand baja wrote:Where's the proof that global warmings not real? Beat up theories or not, is cleaning up our act such a bad thing?

No but using it as an excuse for more taxes, pretending to help the environment is just a crock

I'm still trying to get over the alcopop tax!!!😠

I admit I thoroughly like the idea of the carbon trading but I am probably biased because it will generate more business within in my industry, the more product/service I sell the more energy the client saves and the more credits there are to sell 👍 ... bah who cares if it all gets onsold to the grotty multinational manufacturing plants in places like china to enable more useless shit product to be made along with the ' ever increasing brown fog' to fill the gaping holes in the lives of the owners of the McMansions in the burb's.... Quite frankly if everyone is so-oo uppety about using fertile farmland to make ecobullshit fuel, f*ck it, just clear some more rainforests instead..... monkeys spread aids anyway, so who needs em eh! 🥷 😏


round and round we go........................................😵‍💫

I am not sure how the carbon tax will benefit anyone but the Govt. When Australia contributes a minimal ammount to the overall scheme of things when China and India are the main pollouters (and also cheapest in terms of labour hire etc). When all our industry jobs are lost because it is cheaper to use foreign labour, who stands to benefit? I agree the enviroment should be looked after for future generations (not mine as I am not currently breeding....nor is my good lady wife either....🤓), but aren't there other incentives we can put forth rather than taxing an industry to oblivion in the misguided belief that we are "helping" things? How many jobs and factory closures must we have before Kevin 07 realises that he is a twat?😵‍💫

amazeer wrote:

Flintstones wrote:These pollies and greenies must think the population are stupid to believe this GW nonsense.
It's just another propaganda scam for the Gov to make money on.

Honestly when Kev and the other clowns came up with the idea of this carbon crap scam and that it would cost $5 Billion (which we'd have to pay for) surely for the money that's been considered, it could have been spent on creating better infrastructure for creating greener power etc.....

Cheers

Huh? Why do you want green power if its GW nonsense?

My point is that the Gov want us to believe that the only way to fix GW is to introduce this carbon scam...which as I said earlier we'd be paying for.
So if we are paying for it then the Gov are surely going to get a massive revenue stream for something that is really not relevant.
Surely you'd like your taxes and money to go to something more worthwhile.....

There's nothing wrong with green power, especially if you can harness what nature is already providing. There's no need to wreck the environment if you don't need to, for example have you seen what it takes to mine the oil sands in northern america? The oil giants have absolutely made a mess of the environment up there to the point there is no environment....

1 Erupting volcano = ...rough guess... say 5 billion VW beetles to and from work ..
for 10 years ?? 🤪

Flintstones wrote:Honestly when Kev and the other clowns came up with the idea of this carbon crap scam and that it would cost $5 Billion (which we'd have to pay for) surely for the money that's been considered, it could have been spent on creating better infrastructure for creating greener power etc.....

Cheers

the so called "carbon crap scam" you refer to was started up long before Kev came into power. Do some research into geothermal power systems in aust and you will find that the initiative was not gov generated or even recently started. Stock market reports even discussed it nearly 12 months before Kev.

I do agree that it doesn't address the problem directly and that ideas show more promise: such as the microbacterial trialed by the Swiss and Germans and others for converting CO2 to perfect atmosphere or the outlay of household solar panels scheme currently running. Keep in mind for the pollies though the carbon trading scheme does however offer alot of extra short term employment and allows a new avenue to make money in the stock market.

Perhaps out of interest we could start a list of green energy ideas/solutions. What "greener energy" research or initiatives have people heard about?

nice one notch nut......... we are technoing ourselves out of so many use to be manual jobs
that we have to create another industry to employ all those people, so global warming carbon trading
alternate energies fuel efficiencies..... the list goes on.

I just keep thinking of ways to make lots of money out of the carbon credit scam i mean scheme. Its gunna be great I was talking to a mate who has a farm and we are gunna clear fall a hill mill all the timber then replant with bluegum and claim 12 tonne per acre per year of carbon sequestering them wood chip it and get $112.00 FOB!!!!!

Flintstones wrote:My point is that the Gov want us to believe that the only way to fix GW is to introduce this carbon scam...which as I said earlier we'd be paying for.
So if we are paying for it then the Gov are surely going to get a massive revenue stream for something that is really not relevant.
Surely you'd like your taxes and money to go to something more worthwhile.....

There's nothing wrong with green power, especially if you can harness what nature is already providing. There's no need to wreck the environment if you don't need to, for example have you seen what it takes to mine the oil sands in northern america? The oil giants have absolutely made a mess of the environment up there to the point there is no environment....

Again I think you are not a GW sceptic, but just upset that someone has to pay for it and its now trendier to be a sceptic. You cant support green power if you are concerned about the money. Its more expensive. I see you're concerned for the environment but dont want to admit that there is an environment above ground level. Its OK to be gay, its OK to eat meat, and its OK to care for the atmosphere. You dont need to be part of the in crowd, you dont need to wear Nike. I wear Brooks, I think you can be a hippy tree hugger too.

Not correct that the government is only pushing carbon credits. The government is pushing energy savings to reduce emissions. They have put star ratings on your electrical appliances. They have star ratings and emissions info on the windscreens of cars. They promote the use of public transport. You get free rail pass included in your ticket for the Sydney Easter Show for example. In NSW we have BASIX, which is adding up to $15,000 to house prices apparently.

I'm hoping that Rudds name being used here is just a synonym for government. Had John Howard stayed in power you would have carbon credits. The coalition government was well down the path planning for the same scheme, only difference is that they didnt have a start date... still dont, but supportive of the idea. Google is your friend http://www.mallesons.com/publications/2007/Aug/9074537w.htm Not to mention the gradual tightening of vehicle emissions which have been happening here under all governments since at least 1984, the dirty bastards have been increasing the costs of our cars for 20 years over this stupid hoax. ( I know because when the engine in dads VK commodore went phht on a return trip from valla it cost twice as much as a blue motor.)

Perhaps I shouldn't call it fact, its just my understanding, is that the government doesn't make money out of carbon trading companies do. Companies who's emissions are under their carbon cap get credits to sell to companies that are over their cap. This provides an incentive for companies to reduce emissions. If not carbon trading, how else do you force companies to reduce emissions. Do you ask politely? If anything the carbon trading scheme will cost money to set up and administer. I cant see a cent in it for pollies.

The reason why we have to go first, is because someone has to go first and nobody else has balls. We can go first and not lose jobs by supporting Aussie products. Just today I bought an Australian made Pope garden hose with a $10 premium over the Taiwanese Cyclone one. I used to work for BHP Stainless (its been gone for over 10 years now). We got raw product for the same price of imported finished product, so it was under a lot of pressure for the 11 years I was there. And people I worked with were buying things they knew were made from imported stainless. dumb. Have balls buy Australian and save your own job. Dont wait for the government.

Yes you will pay more for a lot of things. It would be nice if some things got cheaper too, but we wont hold our breath. But why the hell should clean air cost less than dirty air?

Australia shouldn't do anything Major to stop Pollution

as We only pollute about 2%

the US China and INDIA do the Majority of it

LEE

France gets 80% of their electricity from Carbon free

Nuclear Power stations...

We sell them the Uranium....

Sweden gets approx 80% of their power from Carbon free Wind generators

If We don't use the coal... in Our power stations..

another country will use the coal...
and Our Power stations are MUCH cleaner than they used to be....
The only "smoke" from a coal fired Power station is Steam
from the water cooling towers...

When I first moved to the Hunter valley many years ago
the SMOKE from liddel power station could be seen from Scone....
Now You can stand under it and not see any smoke....

they have had filter for many many years...
so No smoke.... Just steam...
from the cooling towers..

Solar power just isn't good enough...
try running an air conditioner with solar power
in Summer or winter....

LEE

the global warming is caused by all you selfish bastards with air cooled VWs!
Mitchell

.😂 to the last comment

as for the solar not running air cons, they can if you have enough of them.... but seriously what solar offers is cheap power during the day therefore unloading the demand for coal power. Obviously reverting back to coal/nuclear power overnight. The gains are easy to see when you cost out your home power bill and the credit on supplied power to grid. See EGRON or DOMME website's for more info. Modern boiler systems for power generation can be easily adjusted for change in demand for power therefore reduction in emission can be made very simply but running the boilers under lower loads during the day and then ramping them up for nights. Solar systems are so simple and quick to install with 30yr guaranteed life, est 40 yrs with no losses, that with federal backing we could massively reduce power use and emissions overnight. Unfortunately the bigger picture is that oil drives the world and the control of the populous so why would they give that up?

waltermitty wrote:the global warming is caused by all you selfish bastards with air cooled VWs!
Mitchell

What do You drive??

LEE

amazeer wrote:It snowed in Wollongong yesterday!

Holy Cow Batman

they got it mixed up...

its global Cooling NOT Warming...

YIKES...

Lee im a bastard also i guess !