A few photos from Flat Four Shootout

Just a few photos I took for with my mobile phone.

Kev

i love that blue and white bug with the cycle guards on the front. hope to own something like this one day!

I bet the venue owner would be happy cleaning up all the little "volkswagen droppings" all over the floor 😂
Simon

some sexy beasts there

looks Great! some nice new rides there. Damn.. I hate working weekends

Looks like matt tylers beautiful squareback in there.Great pics mate

Liking the car in the first and last pics ! 🙂

Need something like that as a daily.

Wannavee wrote:Great pics mate

Thanks, but they were only taken on my mobile phone. Wish I had photographed more for those that couldn't make it. I'm sure the official photos will be out soon.

trickysimon wrote:I bet the venue owner would be happy cleaning up all the little "volkswagen droppings" all over the floor 😂
Simon

we as a club cleanup after the dubs,but most were on their best behaviour😂

thanks kev
nice pics..nice cars!

yeah love that slammed bug on raders, not sure about that bling on the bay though 😵

I took a couple of quick shots. You can find them here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/miikeboyle/sets/72157607402514473/

Mike

was there a watercooled presence?. Damn i missed out was recovering in wollongong after the game

Thats one sweet bug on radars. Nice colour too!

LukeV85 wrote:was there a watercooled presence?.

no not really,but just on behalf of Flat Four Veedub club i`d like to thank all the people who came to support this event😁

I attended the Shootout yesterday with my daughter, first time I've been, and it won't be the last. I found the clubmembers very friendly and organised, thanks for a great day!

I thought there might have been more cars on show, heaps parked outside and in the carpark?! And yes, there weren't many water-cooled, but there were some there.

All in all, well done to Flat Four.

Yep, a great effort put in & by Flat Four. As Phantom said,heaps of cars outside & in the carpark. Enjoyed the day,the atmosphere & the goodies i picked up.And the food was good too! cheers

very impressive photography with your mobile and nice cars.The question Phantom is- Why were they parked in the carpark and not entered in the show? This is some thing that the Flat Four Club and others have to look at seriously. Is it cost of entries,apathy on the part of Volksy owners or a more sinister reason such as -we can tell who will win without even going to the event so why waste $ that I can't spare on an entry fee? I am not trying to be negative but i have been to quite a few shows and there are always very nice vehicles in the carpark,in some cases the guys have spent a lot of time and all their budget to get the vehicle on the road and are very proud of them,in fact some of them are better than what is on show.(hoping this doesn't open a can of worms ,but this is how I see the show scene Les

i think if the show ended earlier more people would enter there cars in the inside show area, was a good day just to long ....personally i had entered my car in the show and had enough by around 1pm

a good point about the cars in the car park a many times we have asked them to take part in the show and always get the same answer i'm not into showing we as a club have tryed everything to get a better turnup but as the saying nothing works
as for a show being shorter we try same as all clubs but it is dictated by the scoring and tallying after all sheets are in and this is no mean task
i can only speek for myself but i try to go to as many shows as i can and always enter i know very well that I wont win but i do it for the club as usually it's the only way they can raise money to keep the club going so my littly bit of entry fee is a small price to pay to keep these clubs going and my spoet i know that there are many like myself because i meet the same people at them
so to all fellow vw drivers put them in as you will be more than winning a trophy that will end up in some cupboard you will be helping a club to survive and that is a trophy in it's self
hope to see you all at all events
steve

i think this comes back to the old why enter when its the same people winning the categories time and time again. thats why the new format at valla was so welcomed.
i would have gone but i had prior engagement

barls wrote:i think this comes back to the old why enter when its the same people winning the categories time and time again. thats why the new format at valla was so welcomed.
i would have gone but i had prior engagement

how did the judging at valla work?was it fast? unfortunately couldn't make valla this year

well instead of a category it was a peoples choice top ten

barls wrote:well instead of a category it was a peoples choice top ten

yep that sounds good

But with Valla "he who brings the most friends(or club mates) will win the goodies.


Don't say it doesn't happen cause I have seen it happen first hand not from putting a car on show but from organising and tallying the votes and seeing what is going to win.

Great event as always, well done to the Flat 4 committee and members

barls wrote:i think this comes back to the old why enter when its the same people winning the categories time and time again. thats why the new format at valla was so welcomed.
i would have gone but i had prior engagement

I recently finished my build,it isn't the best car there but I can buy a tonne of trophies with the money left over from my build.If I want to beat my competition I have to pull my finger out and put the same money and hours into it.Judges score the cars as they are, I'm not going to cry over it.If no one entered their cars there wouldn't be shows to go to.If I get 1 person looking at my creation and taking photos,that's my trophy.support local clubs or the small vee dub scene will phase out!!!😠😠😠

MR__G wrote:

barls wrote:i think this comes back to the old why enter when its the same people winning the categories time and time again. thats why the new format at valla was so welcomed.
i would have gone but i had prior engagement

I recently finished my build,it isn't the best car there but I can buy a tonne of trophies with the money left over from my build.If I want to beat my competition I have to pull my finger out and put the same money and hours into it.Judges score the cars as they are, I'm not going to cry over it.If no one entered their cars there wouldn't be shows to go to.If I get 1 person looking at my creation and taking photos,that's my trophy.support local clubs or the small vee dub scene will phase out!!!😠😠😠

im not saying im going to stop going it just that the reason why i dont enter my car as its built for me to enjoy and if others like it good for them. i know im not alone in this as this has been raised many times before and its not going to change.
if you want to know who it is thats won the division my car fits into pm me im not about to air this publicly as im not here to cause arguments.
have i enlightened you here.

I was there an Hour
I don't enter cars (too restrictive)
I don't want a trophy (they looked cheap, should have given everyone free hot dogs instead)
Swap meet was tiny
venue is stale
numbers way down
same old cars inside
vendors down

I think this event needs a freshen up
maybe find a Venue closer to the city
and do they really have to give trophies? give everyone a event shirt instead or a sticker yay!
I dont see a reason to go next year 🙁
same old same old

Silver

It is true that some cars do win the same categories, but sometimes they have no competition,
if you dont enter your car, you dont compete with them...simple really.
i went / entered for the first time & came away happy.
There were lots of nice cars not entered,(parking lot)
and a lot of the same cars inside / displayed that are at all the shows,
MAYBE these people just really enjoy their cars & the atmosphere...they are certainly committed

each to their own........i still see new things on cars i have seen several times

yes it was a great day would have been my first time there , but mine got wreacked the morning of show im looking foward to going to next years show with my Karmann

Maybe if they ran two lots, with one being the competition with and entry fee, and another thats not judged and free. That way you would get the best of both worlds and get a whole lot more dubs out of the car park and into the show.

Split the show into all out show cars and then cars that see regular road use perhaps.

VWFREAK wrote:Great event as always, well done to the Flat 4 committee and members

Thanks very much we are a small club and we try our best

silver wrote:I was there an Hour
I don't enter cars (too restrictive)
I don't want a trophy (they looked cheap, should have given everyone free hot dogs instead)
Swap meet was tiny
venue is stale
numbers way down
same old cars inside
vendors down

I think this event needs a freshen up
maybe find a Venue closer to the city
and do they really have to give trophies? give everyone a event shirt instead or a sticker yay!
I dont see a reason to go next year 🙁
same old same old

Silver

I DONT THINK WE WILL MISS YOU

newghia wrote:It is true that some cars do win the same categories, but sometimes they have no competition,
if you dont enter your car, you dont compete with them...simple really.
i went / entered for the first time & came away happy.
There were lots of nice cars not entered,(parking lot)
and a lot of the same cars inside / displayed that are at all the shows,
MAYBE these people just really enjoy their cars & the atmosphere...they are certainly committed

each to their own........i still see new things on cars i have seen several times

word of wisdom from a true car enthusiast.

ph billet wrote:

silver wrote:I was there an Hour
I don't enter cars (too restrictive)
I don't want a trophy (they looked cheap, should have given everyone free hot dogs instead)
Swap meet was tiny
venue is stale
numbers way down
same old cars inside
vendors down

I think this event needs a freshen up
maybe find a Venue closer to the city
and do they really have to give trophies? give everyone a event shirt instead or a sticker yay!
I dont see a reason to go next year 🙁
same old same old

Silver

I DONT THINK WE WILL MISS YOU

Indeed i think you will. For if he does not go and has other vw friends im sure that they will not go and it has me convinced that it may be my last as well, and have been going for the last 10 years and its always the same cars, and this year was a very poor crowd. I already know 5 other people who will not be going anymore, do i see a snowball coming????

The best format was when it was a top 20 "Shoot Out" back at the days at Penrith or the old auction shed (i think thats what it was, good venue with the bar in the middle) no catagories just a strait one in all in. It gets away from the usual format and makes it more interesting & less predictable as to who is going to win.
The other thing I find off putting is the host club (who ever it maybe) having all their own cars entered & then judged by the same club,It is hard to be unbiased no matter what the situation is.
But then again winnig is not what its all about.
Just my 2bobs worth.

Nearly every car in the hall had a "particular" sticker in its rear quarter window.😉

I dont have a quarter window.......or a sticker, just an open mind & an inquisitive nature ! 😂

ph billet....loved the ramps this time, can i get some ?

silver wrote:I was there an Hour
I don't enter cars (too restrictive)
I don't want a trophy (they looked cheap, should have given everyone free hot dogs instead)
Swap meet was tiny
venue is stale
numbers way down
same old cars inside
vendors down

I think this event needs a freshen up
maybe find a Venue closer to the city
and do they really have to give trophies? give everyone a event shirt instead or a sticker yay!
I dont see a reason to go next year 🙁
same old same old

Silver

Firstly, I only started this thread to put up a few photos for those that may not have made it. Sure I didn't take photos of every car, but I wasn't there as a photographer. I went there as I am new to VW's and want to get ideas (which I did) and this was only my 2nd year there.

I agree from last year it was a bit quieter, but I don't feel as if a club that puts on a show should have to be forced to have it in a particular area. I am not a member of any club, but believe the Flat Four guys (Gals) are from out in that area. If people can travel from VIC, NSW etc to Warwick for a couple of days, surely they can travel an hour or so to a day outing. Also, I'm positive there were new cars there this year.

Personally re the trophies, I have been slowly building my own VW for the last 12 months and hope to enter my car next year and in other events. If I was lucky enough to pick up a trophy, I would be happy as. Also having had over 40 cars in 25 years, this would be the first car I have ever entered into a show and would love to win a trophy. And I hope that I will be able to win more trophies over time. So, even if you think the trophies are lame (your entitled to an opinion) for some people (me) they would treasure them and the trophies would represent an achievement.

To the Flat Four club, keep your chin up and make sure this event happens again next year and hopefully my car will be there.

Regards, Kevin

split09 wrote:Nearly every car in the hall had a "particular" sticker in its rear quarter window.😉

A sticker that is worn with pride.

Camo wrote:

silver wrote:I was there an Hour
I don't enter cars (too restrictive)
I don't want a trophy (they looked cheap, should have given everyone free hot dogs instead)
Swap meet was tiny
venue is stale
numbers way down
same old cars inside
vendors down


I think this event needs a freshen up
maybe find a Venue closer to the city
and do they really have to give trophies? give everyone a event shirt instead or a sticker yay!
I dont see a reason to go next year 🙁
same old same old

Silver

Firstly, I only started this thread to put up a few photos for those that may not have made it. Sure I didn't take photos of every car, but I wasn't there as a photographer. I went there as I am new to VW's and want to get ideas (which I did) and this was only my 2nd year there.

I agree from last year it was a bit quieter, but I don't feel as if a club that puts on a show should have to be forced to have it in a particular area. I am not a member of any club, but believe the Flat Four guys (Gals) are from out in that area. If people can travel from VIC, NSW etc to Warwick for a couple of days, surely they can travel an hour or so to a day outing. Also, I'm positive there were new cars there this year.

Personally re the trophies, I have been slowly building my own VW for the last 12 months and hope to enter my car next year and in other events. If I was lucky enough to pick up a trophy, I would be happy as. Also having had over 40 cars in 25 years, this would be the first car I have ever entered into a show and would love to win a trophy. And I hope that I will be able to win more trophies over time. So, even if you think the trophies are lame (your entitled to an opinion) for some people (me) they would treasure them and the trophies would represent an achievement.

To the Flat Four club, keep your chin up and make sure this event happens again next year and hopefully my car will be there.

Regards, Kevin

Thanks for kind words Kevin , its what is writen on the trophy that counts , maybe thay would like one of those American trophys that stand 6 feet tall .over compensating for something.

newghia wrote:I dont have a quarter window.......or a sticker, just an open mind & an inquisitive nature ! 😂

ph billet....loved the ramps this time, can i get some ?

Thanks Im glad you liked them, and great for cleaning the car at home. but sorry there a one off.

split09 wrote:

ph billet wrote:

silver wrote:I was there an Hour
I don't enter cars (too restrictive)
I don't want a trophy (they looked cheap, should have given everyone free hot dogs instead)
Swap meet was tiny
venue is stale
numbers way down
same old cars inside
vendors down

I think this event needs a freshen up
maybe find a Venue closer to the city
and do they really have to give trophies? give everyone a event shirt instead or a sticker yay!
I dont see a reason to go next year 🙁
same old same old

Silver

I DONT THINK WE WILL MISS YOU

Indeed i think you will. For if he does not go and has other vw friends im sure that they will not go and it has me convinced that it may be my last as well, and have been going for the last 10 years and its always the same cars, and this year was a very poor crowd. I already know 5 other people who will not be going anymore, do i see a snowball coming????

I see a whinger comming ,how many car shows have you organized?

awesome photos mate ! should have gone, looked like a great day.. love the customworks bug on air and the single cab with all the signwriting.. awesome !

Sorry, left this photo out by mistake.

Kev

here are the pics i took on the day
this ghia i think is amazing i wanted to vote for it for peoples choice but it was not entered, this car i have not seen before

this bug of damos is great , he gets around in this bug with all the cool old bags on the roof everyday , he also has this sweet period picnic set on display on the back seat , this also stays there permanent.
the only other show this has entered is valla so this was new aswell


i liked this one looked clean i havent seen it before , i guess thats all the pics i took

ph billet wrote:

split09 wrote:

ph billet wrote:

silver wrote:I was there an Hour
I don't enter cars (too restrictive)
I don't want a trophy (they looked cheap, should have given everyone free hot dogs instead)
Swap meet was tiny
venue is stale
numbers way down
same old cars inside
vendors down

I think this event needs a freshen up
maybe find a Venue closer to the city
and do they really have to give trophies? give everyone a event shirt instead or a sticker yay!
I dont see a reason to go next year 🙁
same old same old

Silver

I DONT THINK WE WILL MISS YOU

Indeed i think you will. For if he does not go and has other vw friends im sure that they will not go and it has me convinced that it may be my last as well, and have been going for the last 10 years and its always the same cars, and this year was a very poor crowd. I already know 5 other people who will not be going anymore, do i see a snowball coming????

I see a whinger comming ,how many car shows have you organized?

Sorry I touched a nerve dude,
I made some criticisms of the event, use them to improve it

If I organized a car show it would probably mean the death of the shootout
we don't want that to happen

Silver

that ghia is beckers, sweet as, asked him to park inside, not enuff cars in there.. and for that beelte on bags, very very nice, even for a beetle. 😀 .

split09 wrote:Nearly every car in the hall had a "particular" sticker in its rear quarter window.😉

OH!!! you mean the Entrant sticker🤪

you organize it, deal with constructive criticism. Chill out man!

The Shootout has had a long history of hit and miss turn up, both participants and entrants.

I wouldn't say it is entirely the clubs fault.

However, while numbers are down I can understand people not going for a look. If there's a few in the family then at 10 bucks a pop it can end up being expensive for a small show.

Much the pity, because it has the venue to be the best show in NSW.

Maybe the key to bringing it up a notch is to allow/encourage all VWs to park in the paddock (as already mentioned). Compress the swap a bit so it's not so spread out.
With a big collection of dubs on the grass and the entered show cars inside it has the potential to be a great one.
Go for profit by numbers not by margin on the entry, drop the price and I'm sure you'll see more spectators. And it's spectators you want to keep sponsors interested.
Maybe reduce the number of trophies. It's quite a haul - even for a show that has double or triple the entrants. Is there really a need to have so many categories? Some things are just hangovers from the past.
Ditch the bands. Bands at car shows just don't work unless they are seriously good and put on a show that people will stay for without looking back to the cars for 45minutes to an hour. A band at a car show should encourage spectators to stay for the whole day and be a break from looking at car, not move away from the cars if they don't like the music... once they go outside what's going to stop them going all the way back to their car and off to somewhere else?
Make the spectators and sponsors judges. Very few successful car shows these days have only one people's choice. More and more they have the major awards being public choice, an award by each sponsor and a few chosen by the promoters.


Best of luck for the future. I will be back and hope to see greater numbers attending both as entrants and spectators.

I couldnt have said it any better, no really, im crap a speeches!!

How bout you organize it HRM

ok what about all the photos i dont like all the reading🤪,
like the post says photos of the show😂😂

I agree with with matt 100%, and i will be there next year cheers shane.

split09 wrote:I couldnt have said it any better, no really, im crap a speeches!!

How bout you organize it HRM

I'm busy with this...

ph billet wrote:

split09 wrote:

ph billet wrote:

silver wrote:I was there an Hour
I don't enter cars (too restrictive)
I don't want a trophy (they looked cheap, should have given everyone free hot dogs instead)
Swap meet was tiny
venue is stale
numbers way down
same old cars inside
vendors down

I think this event needs a freshen up
maybe find a Venue closer to the city
and do they really have to give trophies? give everyone a event shirt instead or a sticker yay!
I dont see a reason to go next year 🙁
same old same old

Silver

I DONT THINK WE WILL MISS YOU

Indeed i think you will. For if he does not go and has other vw friends im sure that they will not go and it has me convinced that it may be my last as well, and have been going for the last 10 years and its always the same cars, and this year was a very poor crowd. I already know 5 other people who will not be going anymore, do i see a snowball coming????

I see a whinger comming ,how many car shows have you organized?

dude pull your head in. just cause someone makes a comment doesnt mean you have to take offense. take it on board and back to the committee and fix it dont lash back

ian.mezz wrote:ok what about all the photos i dont like all the reading🤪,
like the post says photos of the show😂😂

Next issue of VWMA...
I'll post a couple as teasers in a day or two.

HotRodMatt wrote:

split09 wrote:I couldnt have said it any better, no really, im crap a speeches!!

How bout you organize it HRM

I'm busy with this...

Nice, ill try and go, see if i can get me bro to take his 37 ford there.

Unfortuatley I had to work so couldn't make it, but the rest of the family went out & had a good day.

They could'nt believe their eyes when they saw Mr Dumpletons old splitty ute ("skurvy")...

We went down to Kangaroo Valley years & years ago & draged it out of the scrub under his house!!
Great to see someone could eventually get it back on the road where it belongs after all this time!
😎

Looks like Damo's Adelaide flag has taken a bit of a battering. Sorry I wasn't there this year, but had just got back from OS that morning. See you there next year.

frogman wrote:Unfortuatley I had to work so couldn't make it, but the rest of the family went out & had a good day.

They could'nt believe their eyes when they saw Mr Dumpletons old splitty ute ("skurvy")...

We went down to Kangaroo Valley years & years ago & draged it out of the scrub under his house!!
Great to see someone could eventually get it back on the road where it belongs after all this time!
😎

you have pm

Many thanks for the Pics Kev & Mike

and the good comments...

I don't enter any shows as I am in the same class as PH Billet...
and I cannot beat His car...

I did read after Valla that winners should be exempt from winning the following year.. etc..

that sounds great... but then i think of all the great VWs I've seen at the VW nationals and Valla over the years and have never seen them again...

so maybe SHOW cars AND a DAILY DRIVER show
seperate...
as mentioned there are always great cars in the carparks..

except at VALLA - Nambucca where everyone can park together... NOW that IS good...


a participation sticker would be good at ALL shows...
good quality vinyl sticker with the year and show on it...

2008 Nationals - Judging was much faster due to being processed as you drove in....
Not good when you have just driven for 3 hours in Rain..

I have spoken to a few people who don't drive all the way from Country NSW to the shootout, as its not a BIG show and not enough attractions...

I Don't need a band or loud Music at a Car show etc...

I'm NOT knocking - just trying to figure out how to make US all happy, so We will go to VW shows...

3+ hours of driving to get to a show and then return
the venue Must be great.... IMHO..

LEE

Lower the entry fees next year - publicise the fact and see what happens... None of us like spending money...lol
except on Our VWs of course....

Well No-one else took pic's ,hay !! Thats a shame !

If they would just pic up the camera instead of the phone

lol....

Someone must have taken a heap of pics...
camera or phone... lol

Lee

Not two good on the computer Lee went to add some pic here but started another thread, My car was not entered for judjing only on display, I wont be entering it at VW show for the time being, I will still bring it along as I an sure some people will still like to see it .

Now thats excellent news..

as Your car is a drawcard and many pics of it are taken
as Your car is a one of a kind...

and should be shown...
as its a credit to You..

cheers

Lee

PS: I have a new camera and I haven't been game to connect it to the compter as yet...lol..

I enjoy looking at PH BILLET every time see it ,
just to see if there is something i have missed or as is usually the case, what is new on it.
So much work has gone into this that it's hard to take it all in, your effort is respected & appreciated Mr H,
Missing the roof rack !
What can i do to get you to make me some of those ramps for another car....not vw, need to fit 285 tyres ?? please

I like Your message at the bottom of Your posts..

Some old - something new...

thats how i think...

only old things are the original parts...
New things replace old parts...
including Non VW parts...
remote oil cooler - electric fuel pump - regulator - VW alternator - carby - electronic ignition- late model engine lid - etc..

Lee