Dubs By the pie - venue feedback

Ok guys another year is over for our show.
We the Bad little Bug-gers would like feed back from the public. What do you think? good and bad reports wanted.
How we can maybe improve for next year. Go for it.
I myself think everything went well considering that it was a new venue and all, there are some cobwebs to work through though.

Good effort for a new venue.... one question... how many people found the offroaders hiding out the back? There were a few in the main venue, but a large group out the back....Just curious if people found them, or didnt know they were there.

Over spill happened due to the bloody semi-trailers that sneaked in and parked overnight I think, and the bigger than expected turn out.
Sellers were perched up on that bank, maybe they could be in another area next time for ease of browsing.

Overall, loved it!
Again, great day.
Thanks Guys! 🙂

yeah great day,,, But Andrew maybe next year turn the heat down a bit hey? :-)

I think the Pub was a better site tho,,, not bagging the pie place at all, just that everyone , including the general public have a far better view of the entire package

well done tho,,, we thought it was great & also thought it was an exceptional turn out of Kombis :-)

Thanks heaps for the organisers & the Bad little buggas club & the Humble pie company etc etc etc

& & & & & My gearbox didn`t go Bang :-)

yeah i thought it was great...

i thought the turn out was great, but this is the first time ive been though... whats it been like in past years?

yes so many kombis! thought the type 3's were a bit scattered though, i parked near the pub with a silver notch and cream fasty but there were a few others here and there...

thanks to everyone who helped organise it

great turn out and well we left early just as the last cars arrived and well i think there wasn't enough room and how the sellers where located was not very good. Bit hard to walk and look. great effort though

Good points - The pub was air conditioned cos it was freakin hot.

Bad points - We didn't fit at that venue. There was cars scattered everywhere, people that got sent to the lower car park would have been disappointed.

I turned up about last (because I stopped twice to help Ben with a wiring short on his buggy). It was pretty dangerous at that point because we were backed up down the highway trying to get in. We had pulled off the road but the traffic was going past very close. Then some cars wanted to turn off and had to try to file into our line, which blocked the left lane of the highway completely.

It was really hard to judge the categories because they were scattered everywhere. I couldn't even find some of the cars that were at Boondall and that I were sure should be at the pie place. I'm pretty sure a lot of people didn't see us offroaders out the back either, we were hidden away.

I understand those truck trailers in the car park didn't help much.

That's my 2 cents 🙂

There were a lot issues that couldn't be anticipated (being a new venue), these included;

The HUGE turnout (perhaps bigger than previous years) causing the scattering of cars (and categories) in both upper and lower carparks.

The lower carpark, if utilised properly, in fact had more room and in future events could be used more effectively. (if using the grassy area as well)

The turnout also caught the Tavern and humble pie by surprise and i noticed they had difficulty in coping with the demand (the cue at the
humble pie was off-putting) - however, being the first time for them too, next time they will be better prepared.

The turnoff and cue along the highway was interesting, though everyone did the right thing and stayed on the edge, the traffic chaos did upset
a few people (not to mention my poor overheating bug) - this seriously needs to be looked at and the process sped up to avoid any lengthy delays.

Some suggestions i have heard floating around was the 'staggering' or grouping of cars and leave at delayed intervals from boondall.

The trade stalls/sellers are probably best relocated to the grassy area in the lower carpark section - that hilly area out the front is too cramped
and difficult to navigate for both the sellers and the people walking along - not to mention trying to get a vehicle up there to unload.

Never got to see the offroaders - totally forgot about them hiding 'out the back'

BUT

Fab venue in any case - if we can 'hone' out the little issues, and refine the organisation side of things, it would be spectacular - i think its a keeper.
(this could be as simple as getting more volunteers to help out during the day)

The quality and quantity of cars are getting better each time and its good that everyone is making an effort to come along - thanks to everyone.

Mostly, thanks to those who dedicated their time to organise this, its a HUGE job - you did a great job and you pulled it off.

Keep up the good work
cheers

Daniel 👍

In regards to the swap area folks , sorry to say that is where it must stay as the health department apparently have rules in regards to proximity of dirty car parts etc and a food outlet .
Mabey we can mow the grass down the end next year as a service to the Pie people and use this more for the swappers / offroaders but as my good wife pointed out in the intial post it is only the first year at this new site and we new it would take this show to iron out the bugs so to speak .

Hey all!

Well in the end I was able to make it - very late. Had a colleague run the 2nd half of the seminar I was giving, so managed to leave at 11 and get to the venue at about 12. Didn't take the dub though as my girlfriend gave me a lift and my car is still a bit 'in progress' to show her to people who know what they're looking at. So this is feedback from someone arriving quite late into the day.

1. There were a LOT of Kombis, as others have noted. This was really interesting. Odd how few bugs were there comparatively.
2. We did find the off road section OK. If it's an issue - maybe some signage? If there was some there, we didn't see it. Still, the venue isn't THAT big, so if you were wandering around I reckon you'd find them. Maybe more of a signed 'entrance' to that area as it was screened off by gardens etc.
3. This was our first show. One thing that would have been nice would be some way to meet other people there if you're a bit shy and don't know anyone. This may be a stupid suggestion - but why not have volunteers offer to run guided tours of the place/cars/sections for $5 or $10 a pop, pointing out cars of interest along the way and offering insight/info about the builds (eg: how rare the T34s are etc, differences between some models, what 'cal look' and 'rat look' are, maybe time it so some owners are at their vehicles to take questions and so on. I heard a LOT of blokes explaining features to their partners.) This might be a good fundraiser for the club. Like I said, we'd have paid as it was free to get in.
4. We didn't go down to the lower carpark. Erk. Were there more cars there to see? We could see some dubs parked there but it looked to us like all the show cars were out the front.
5. Heat was unpleasant. You can't do anything about that - except run it at another time in the year. I'm guessing though that the time has been well thought through and is intended not to conflict with other events etc.
6. One big benefit that you have with the site is the amount of drive-by traffic. Is it a goal to get joe public through the gates? If so, better signage and more signage in advance along the highway might jag people out for a sunday motor.

We had a great time, joined the bad little buggers club, and look forward to meeting more local folk that way.

Wearing my business hat, I do reckon there would be ways for the BLB club as organisers to make a little more money out of this event for the benefit of their members. I'd have stumped up for a gold coin donation or similar if there were a donation box seeing as entry was free. I bought some bits and pieces, but would gladly have spent money to support the local VW community.

I reckon for the first time at a new venue this was a really great effort. these things are hard to organise! Well done and congrats to the team involved. Thanks for making this possible.

Hey guys ... you did well for a new venue.
The entry of the cruise was a major concern for me (I seriously feared hearing a sad story)
I think if the entry could be streamlined by using a good number of parking attendants say 10 (like they do at major events e.g. QLD raceway, Willowbank etc) it would make a few people more comfortable/safe.
It would appear that both top and bottom car parks need to be utilised to the maximum to make it work.
But on the positive side ... have a look at the turnout of cars (particularly kombis) and you know that people love the event and look forward to it. Keep up the good work and people will keep coming 😎

Hey everyone, had a fab day! There was a huge turnout and the atmosphere was awesome as per usual. I only had two concerns...

1. Cruising from Boondall to the Humble Pie turn off...like baja wes said, having to pull off to the side completely off the highway behind 200 VW's with traffic aka trucks going past at 100k an hr was a little disconcerting. And all it would have taken was one VW to breakdown or overheat and there would have been know where to go.

2. I think parking was still an issue at Humble Pie.

~~ Joh

The bottom carpark or the one closest to the freeway is bigger?? Put all the cars in there or as many as possible in their respective models(say all the Kombi's, Type 3's etc) then in the front car park put all the trade displays and beetles etc. there was a bit of this and that everywhere due to semi's being in the road but you cannot help that.

Definately more parking attendants to get everyone in a spot quicker and all parking in the same direction(either nose in or reverse in).

Hard to allow certain numbers of each model as it varies every year but maybe a prebooking system with non refundable deposit so that way you get an idea on numbers. Offer incentives for early birds like first 50 cars get XYZ items in thier goodies bag.

Other than that I had a good day and so did my mate who is a first timer to a VW show of that size. Even talked about buying one in the future LOL

1. stop people complaining they were hard done by, nothings good enough etc & try some manners, disappointing attitudes within earshot almost all day

2. DEFINATELY stagger the cruise, i was sitting there rather early to avoid the traffic, since im not in a vw i figured theres not much point anyway but the ones that didnt cruise seemed to get in without problems & the guys at the roundabout when you got there seemed to know exactly what was going on, hats off to them.

3. more room for the swappers/trade stands, that hill is pretty terrible for browsing & trying not to slip down when walking through people, again, where did politeness go?

4. better signage according to the signnificant other, as in for the various categories

5. perhaps pre registration to avoid the slow entry, why not do it at boondall?

6. for the offroader crowd, yes found you all, made up for the positioning for the decent display all together

7. ...whens the next one? 😂

jedidan wrote:Never got to see the offroaders - totally forgot about them hiding 'out the back'

We were out here 🙂

oh, and there were lots of kombi's

sounds and looks like a great day, lads and ladies - it's been pi$$ing down where I live all day!

Yep, great day guy's, well done!

Just echoing the info above, slow to get in and park isn't nice on a hot day. Perhapse you could stagger the parking, not the cruise. By that I mean have everyone cruise together, and park temporarily off the main highway, and let them in gradually.
No matter how many attendants you have, and well orgainsed, you still have 300+ people trying to park a car at the same time, and that ain't gonna happen quick..

The parking was also less than ideal with cars spread all over the plave, I ended up in the small car park next to the bottle shop, so am sure not many noticed we were part of the show for voting purposes which is a shame.

Bring on next year 🙂

yeah thats where i ended up too Andy - I was in the early squareback. what were you in?

Ye we noticed that and all will be taken in concideration for next year. Different car parking plan will be thought out for next year which will hopefully take place and a different place for swappers. Hopefully all cars together in the same catergory etc etc etc. If our speaker system did not fail we could of told people to look every where for cars, which would of helped a lot more.

Nice venue but realistically a bit small. Especially if categories can't be kept together, it was terrible to have some of our category out the front whilst others were hidden round the corner. The fact that the majority of buggies/offroad cars were hidden out of view was not fair for the category, the club, the punters paying their 10 bucks and most off all to the sponsors who supported the categories. 😬
I understand there was a PA problem??? maybe this added to the issue ie people could have been prompted to go around the corner etc. nevertheless not really fair on the offroaders.
I found it hard voting on other catergories which seemed to be spread all over the place, just when you thought you picked your winner you would come accross another car in the class parked amongst others........made voting difficult and most likely inconsistent.
I know organising events can be hard and it was the 'first time' at the new venue but having enough room is critical to the success overall.
Like the feel of the venue but just not sure it suits without some rethinking on use of space.
cheers
thanks for organising the day and opportunity to provide feedback

Great day. lots of VW's so all good. For a first time venue I think the volunteers are to be congratulated. Remember people, these are VOLUNTEERS and give their time and effort freely to help ALL of us. Swap area was a bit mountain goatish but I got my share of nick nacks. Cheers to all the people who organised and helped out.👍

to the organisers, thank you for organizing what seemed to turn out to be a very challenging event for you as a 1st time venue by the feed back so far. This was my 2nd dubs at the pub/humble pie and i thouroughly enjoyed being a part of the day. the entry to the venue certainly had its moments with the general traffic but everyone got in and no damage done from what i saw (nothing bent and no tears). the instructions as laid out by ashley prior to departure were clear enough however not followed, this may have been a good thing in the end as, if we had all turned up at the same time it may have made the traffic worse.
the parking in catagories will no doubt be handled differently should this venue turn out to be a regular gig and obviously be a little fairer on those that made a conserted effort to present some of the finest examples i have ever seen. i am sure the humble pie and its attached pub did a roaring trade and would be more than happy to work towards an improved dubs at the humble pie in 2010. thank you also to the breakfast providers at boondall, the unsung heros that kept us fed prior to departure.

a great job by all and looking forward to the next opportunity to use a little fuel. 1970 fasty

Hi All

Boy this thread has been a great read! Thanks for all of your input it is very much appriciated good or bad.

Boy what a day! We didn't expect the truck trailers! (Which kind of stuffed our parking plan, as that was part of the kombi area). We didn't expect so many kombi's (how good was that!).

We'll review the parking plan for next year!

I went home via the road that the Humble pie is on heading towards Brisbane, I think that it would be a much better way for the cruise to enter the show as it would get us off the highway. All we would have to do, would be to take the new Kilcoy exit, then exit off that on to the road to the humble pie. Sitting on the side of the highway with cars going pass at 100k's is not fun and something that we have to stop!

One thing for sure, I am glad that we didn't have the show at the old venue this year. I have been helping with the event for many years, and this year we had a great turn out. Imagine trying to fit the number of cars we had this year into the area that Ettamogah allowed us to use! We were only ever allowed the northern end of the car park at Ettamogah. We have counted the spaces and there is more at the Humble pie (main carpark)with wider roads within the car park, plus the lower area and if we could utilise the grass area out the back more we should have heaps of space! We may even be able to get the pub on side now they believe us! (they were overwemed with the amount of people). To be able to use some of their car park!
One other thought is to ask the property owner accross the road, if he would let the on lookers park over there at a small charge. This could free up even more room!

Once agian thanks for your input.

On behalf of the Bad Little Bug-gers Vee Dub Club thanks to everyone who attended and thanks for your support!

P.S Guy's have a look at our website www.blbvw.org.au as we try to have regular monthly cruise's some great ones coming up! Dubs shouldn't be the only cruise!!!

Regards Ashley.

So who won the trophies?

Sorry for the theft of these pictures below 🙂

Tazz got best modified Type3


kombibob and missvdub done well with
best modified split and car of the day for G

and dog of the day for El Concreto


Angelsholocaust got best watercooled sedan


I'm not 100% sure but i think this red manx won best offroad. (could be wrong)


Best kitcar


Anyone else got pic's of the other trophy winners?

think one of my mates won Best Paint for the bay Window "Flamin Low" with the flame paint job.

great venue heaps more room than the Pub

As there appeared to be more Kombis than anything else would it be better to put then down the back on the grass area heaps more room for them there and they could be layed out in year models etc etc make teh judging easier

that would allow all the bugs/ type 3 ,ghias , buggies to be together and more room for the traders and swappers

Yes the red manx won best offroad kit car

one last suggestion if I may : any chance we could have catergories that have the word buggy in them?? Just would help us promote buggies and the buggy lifestyle. Would also be fair on the buggy bnuilding businesses that sponsor the trophies etc. just an idea😵‍💫

thanks again for a great gathering of the faithfull

i attended as a passenger..
a) the line up on the highway shoulder was extremely dangerous and a wonder that nobody got hurt with north bound traffic wizzing past..
really this is a safety issue for participants and needs to be drawn to the organisers attention for some other entry route to the venue if possible as a suggestion
b) the swap area was another safety issue where people had to negotiate uneven surfaces to look at the sellers wares as this maybe considered for the next event..
overall not a bad day n the beer was nice n cold
h

Thanks VDUBXTC.
Be keen to know the others if anyone has pics?
Cheers.

LIFE IN THE LOW LANE wrote:think one of my mates won Best Paint for the bay Window "Flamin Low" with the flame paint job.

This one

I think this one also recieved a trophy.
not 100% sure but

Big Thanks to the BAD LITTLE BUGGERS for once again turning it on, we all appreciate the huge effort involved. Ive been doing the cruse for a few years now and i feel a little differently than some on the thread. I think the idea of the cruse is to slow EVERYBODY down.. in previous years when everyone is bunched tight . the cars going past and the ones on the side of the road absolutely love it. If people have to wait a few minutes on a Sunday morning whats the big deal? i`m sure telling the story of seeing so many vw`s makes up for it. i know safely is an issue and getting of the highway earlier is a great idea, but i my opinion, i`d just love to see everyone together.. that would mean the lead car keeping it really slow till everybody got out of the car park at Boondall too. Thanks again guys, And great to see so many Kombi`s ... did someone tell the beetles it was cancelled?

The Bay ute is owned by my friend Lorraine Keen from Nimbin...& yes it did win a trophy.. 🙂

qldcabmatt wrote:. the cars going past and the ones on the side of the road absolutely love it. If people have to wait a few minutes on a Sunday morning whats the big deal? i`m sure telling the story of seeing so many vw`s makes up for it.

I think you needed to be at the back of the line.🤪
We had people sticking fingers up, the odd horn and evil looks as they drive by. Almost lost the side mirror when a truck went past, and we were as far off the road as a lowered car could get.
I think the idea of comming in the back way is a good one.

ByronBug wrote:The Bay ute is owned by my friend Lorraine Keen from Nimbin...& yes it did win a trophy.. 🙂

Lorraine owns 1 very nice ute Judy.
It got my vote👍

So who wone the original type 3 class?

I think you needed to be at the back of the line.🤪
We had people sticking fingers up, the odd horn and evil looks as they drive by. Almost lost the side mirror when a truck went past, and we were as far off the road as a lowered car could get.
I think the idea of comming in the back way is a good one. [/quote]

But that was because the highway was blocked, not because we were cruising as a group. i`ve been at the back in previous years but mabey ettamoga wasn't as big an issue.. My only point is that if the cruse is going to be split up, then why would a lot of us drive long distance to go to boondall in the first place, may as well just drive straight there?
maybe we should find a couple of vw cops? Flashing light escort would look great!

VDUBXTC wrote:

qldcabmatt wrote:. the cars going past and the ones on the side of the road absolutely love it. If people have to wait a few minutes on a Sunday morning whats the big deal? i`m sure telling the story of seeing so many vw`s makes up for it.

I think you needed to be at the back of the line.🤪
We had people sticking fingers up, the odd horn and evil looks as they drive by. Almost lost the side mirror when a truck went past, and we were as far off the road as a lowered car could get.
I think the idea of comming in the back way is a good one.

yeah there was a commmodore with 4 very angry occupants who cut through the line in to the servo at one stage. and then there was that loser in the old Kingswood doing burnouts down the street!! 🙅😂

I think this guy won Best Baja

again not 100% sure, but i think this car won best modified interior

Tht red beetle is relly nice!
Good to see you hve some competition Wes 🙂

Andy wrote:Good to see you hve some competition Wes 🙂

Yes, but he wasn't hidden around the back with the rest of us offroaders so it wasn't really fair 🥲

Wes also drove his in 👍

seems like your the jealous type wes? i have never understood the whole trophy envy concept. there should be more importance on other things i reckon. sad really. looks like there were some nice cars there too. hopefully i will be able to make it up there next year

Yeah, I cry myself to sleep because I'm so jealous. 🤪

I'm pretty sure the guy with the black baja who won would have agreed with me that the layout wasn't fair. I spoke to him, he was a nice guy. He was looking at my car for ideas as his car was a work in progress. He had bits of the interior missing and was about to embark on a suby engine conversion. 👍

DirkHedde wrote:seems like your the jealous type wes? i have never understood the whole trophy envy concept. there should be more importance on other things i reckon. sad really. looks like there were some nice cars there too. hopefully i will be able to make it up there next year

It isn't about jealous it is about "Fair Go" and since lot of Aussies pride themselves in it I think it is quite fair to expect that all cars get an even amount of showing and public awareness.

Why have class areas if not everyone is going to get put in them ? If people are not careful then next year guys will rock up early to get a good voteable position regardless of identified areas and the entire setup goes to crap.

That being said, Wes has enough stuid trophies in his garage you can't see now so adding more to the collection is stupid anyway.🤪

haha this sooo funny
have a good read, reflect n move on to more important things in your life ffs

I find it funny that others can say what I said (with more detail)...

ducky wrote:... it was terrible to have some of our category out the front whilst others were hidden round the corner. The fact that the majority of buggies/offroad cars were hidden out of view was not fair for the category, the club, the punters paying their 10 bucks and most off all to the sponsors who supported the categories. 😬
I understand there was a PA problem??? maybe this added to the issue ie people could have been prompted to go around the corner etc. nevertheless not really fair on the offroaders.

..yet when I say something similar as a small comment to a friend (Andy), some people want to jump out and tell me I'm jealous and need to move on. Clearly, people forget this is an internet forum and the point of this thread was to discuss issues with the venue. Even the organisers have said in this thread that next time they need to keep the categories together.

I've already moved on. My car is not intended to be a show car. I didn't drive straight to the venue. I went to Boondall and went on the cruise because that is what the day is about. And when a friend broke down I stopped and got his car going again.

And while I am upsetting people, I might as well say that the red buggy probably only won because he was parked in front of the voting booth in clear view of everyone. Nicer cars like Paul's Manx were hidden out the back with the offroaders. Since the category was not together, we'll never now which was really the "peoples choice".

Paul's buggy that many probably didn't see (pics are actually at the manxclub AGM);

Wow that green manx is nice. I'll have to admit that we had no idea the offroaders were all hidden around the corner, and we just voted on what we could see. 🤓 I'm assuming we weren't the only ones.

Andy wrote:So who wone the original type 3 class?

This little cutie won...like us, he is still in shock too!

I guess what people that didn't go won't realise is just how hot it was on the day. I, like most people, just wanted to quickly get the voting done and then go hide inside the pub or pie shop from the heat! 😁 So I understand why people didn't search around for cars as much as they might have if it was a cooler day 👍

I was one of the ones that did venture out the back to see the buggies. But i didn't hang around for to long.
Just because of the heat that was coming out of that area. Not only did you have the heat from the sun, but the heat coming up out of the ground in the grass area made things even more uncomfortable to stick around and take a look at the quality cars around there.

Don't worry Wes, I found the buggies, and all the nice VW's in the bottom car park!
Did anyone else count how many Synco's made a showing on the day?? I almost had to pull my shoes off to count them all. I think these guy's need a class of their own!

I'm just sorry I polished the car for the day, not sure anyone even noticed mine!!
😂

I knew it would be hot so that was why I took my quick shaed and an esky full of cold cans of coke. If you managed to walk to the very bottom of the carpark out the front( while we are talking about not being seen LOL) I was tucked in behind the end of the semi trailers almost out of sight.

I don't really care as I definately know my car shouldn't win a trophy and if it did i'd laugh my head off!! A lot of people i know and usually chat to at this event didn't even know I was there due to where I was parked. Ahh well I had shade, cold drinks, comfy chair and music to listen too so for us it was all good.....

Lets hope the club will listen about the categories, what was disappointing was we approached the organiser chief guy very early in the day and warned him that we had more buggies on the way and we were using the day to relaunch the Manx Club etc etc and wanted to keep buggies together and he didn't seem to want to hear it .
so whilst I agree with Wes the voting wasn't fair and good cars missed out, but for our club and as I mentioned on page 1 the buggy building businesses that sponsor trophies I am sure it went even further than that.