www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25790506-26103,00.html
www.themotorreport.com.au/37361/nsw-rta-to-require-motorists-to-seek-approval-before-raising-or-lowering-suspension/
bus914 ·
Aussieveedubbers · General Chit Chat
Approval from RTA needed to raise or lower car suspension
https://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/threads/77847/approval-from-rta-needed-to-raise-or-lower-car-suspension
Joel ·
heard it on the radio this morn
with any luck it may lead to the extinction of bagged mini-trucks and these dickhead P platers in old toyotas with cut springs and autobahn cannons 😂
with any luck it may lead to the extinction of bagged mini-trucks and these dickhead P platers in old toyotas with cut springs and autobahn cannons 😂
LUFTMEISTER ·
hear comes the fun police😵💫
silver ·
Not policing fun but stopping kids with no idea building death traps
you can lower it all you want but it must be done with engineers approval
this will also insure your car insurance wont be voided by unknown or badly engineered work
It might save a life
good idea I say
you can lower it all you want but it must be done with engineers approval
this will also insure your car insurance wont be voided by unknown or badly engineered work
It might save a life
good idea I say
Joel ·
cant even do that,
maxium drop is 5cm and thats only if the car still has 100mm clearance
having had a couple of stupidly low cars in my time I can see their point
alot of these cars are so low they have no suspension travel left,
hit one decent bump and it can head off in any direction like into the path of an on coming car
maxium drop is 5cm and thats only if the car still has 100mm clearance
having had a couple of stupidly low cars in my time I can see their point
alot of these cars are so low they have no suspension travel left,
hit one decent bump and it can head off in any direction like into the path of an on coming car
eraser ·
100mm from where? the headlight?
I heard this, hopefully it will be as simple as a phone cal and a yay or nay.
I heard this, hopefully it will be as simple as a phone cal and a yay or nay.
ian.mezz ·
good more money for me for clearing defects😂
and doing adjustment of records with a engineers report number😊
and doing adjustment of records with a engineers report number😊
ian.mezz ·
some cars clearance is min 200mm eg those Subaru wagons those young people lower other cars it is 100mm from the lowest part of car eg sump, exhaust , cross members. and you can not remove suspension bump stops .
Joel wrote:cant even do that,
maxium drop is 5cm and thats only if the car still has 100mm clearance
having had a couple of stupidly low cars in my time I can see their point
alot of these cars are so low they have no suspension travel left,
hit one decent bump and it can head off in any direction like into the path of an on coming car
BOOMERDOG ·
so considering my car has been lowered for over 23 years on the same settings this makes it dangerous??,do me a fucking favour!leave it out..
what a bunch of fucking knobheads!
so this now means i need an engineers report for something that was proffesionally built that long ago???
fuck this makes me mad..😬😬
they can go fuck em selves as far as i'm concerned..
WANKERS....
what a bunch of fucking knobheads!
so this now means i need an engineers report for something that was proffesionally built that long ago???
fuck this makes me mad..😬😬
they can go fuck em selves as far as i'm concerned..
WANKERS....
polak ·
that is frikken crap, my car is 78mm off the ground on the nose and i still have heaps of suspension travel.... this is just a straight out revenue raiser if u ask me.... my car is how it should have come out from factory any car that is higher has clearly been raised and should face the scrutineering hahaha 🤓😁
hellbugged ·
yep, that must be the case because i've never owned a beetle with more clearence than that either....weird 😎polak wrote:my car is how it should have come out from factory any car that is higher has clearly been raised and should face the scrutineering hahaha 🤓😁
toplessbug ·
so eloquently put, but so trueBOOMERDOG wrote:so considering my car has been lowered for over 23 years on the same settings this makes it dangerous??,do me a fucking favour!leave it out..
what a bunch of fucking knobheads!
so this now means i need an engineers report for something that was proffesionally built that long ago???
fuck this makes me mad..😬😬
they can go fuck em selves as far as i'm concerned..
WANKERS....
donn ·
The way I understand it is that it will only apply to mods done after August the first so BOOMERDOG dosn't need to wory about his present ride, after that date then an engineers cert. is required for anything lower than manufacturers spec and no allowance for anything more than 50mm, thing I can't come to grips with is the statement "Mr Daley says while drivers may think a lowered car looks "cool" it really is dangerous and any adjustment of more than five centimetres doesn't belong on the road." how can it be dangerous (without qualifying this part of his statement" when cars built for the track are considerably lower than standard just to make them handle better ie. safer cars.
While I personaly agree that some of those cars out there on the road are just stupidly lowered, once a cert is isued to say the work is done correctly with no advers effects on the vehicles safety then that should be that. There, my 2 cents worth with out one *^@+**^
While I personaly agree that some of those cars out there on the road are just stupidly lowered, once a cert is isued to say the work is done correctly with no advers effects on the vehicles safety then that should be that. There, my 2 cents worth with out one *^@+**^
greedy53 ·
now boomerdog let all out dont hold back let us know how you feel
lol lol lol🤪
lol lol lol🤪
BOOMERDOG ·
sorry everyone for my outburst ,but it is just a blatent revenue making ploy,i don't sit on the fence me...
i've jumped through enough hoops just to get my ride into the country ,the amount of shit i have had to alter/remove/add ..THIS was the last straw for me...
i really do hope it is adjustments to suspension AFTER august?..anyone else confirm this?
i've jumped through enough hoops just to get my ride into the country ,the amount of shit i have had to alter/remove/add ..THIS was the last straw for me...
i really do hope it is adjustments to suspension AFTER august?..anyone else confirm this?
vwsteve ·
Well there goes every car i own😵💫
hellbugged ·
i'm moving to QLD 😂
BOOMERDOG ·
polak ·
not a good idea as ill probably get arrested and charged with assult, slander and grievous bodily harm 😂😂🤪
XXX-1.8T ·
how can they prove that the car was lowered after August 1?
Doesnt make sense 🙁
Both the Audi and the Bug are on their guts they better not get me to raise them 👎
Doesnt make sense 🙁
Both the Audi and the Bug are on their guts they better not get me to raise them 👎
VWCOOL ·
I think it means all lowered cars after August 1, not all cars lowered after August 1...
1303Steve ·
Hi
This just proves that we some sort of modified car association, like the hot rodders have to talk to governments about these things, there is the street machine federation, but they seem to be pretty lame.
We now have another premier of this state who has never held a drivers licence, so this is what we get.
Steve
This just proves that we some sort of modified car association, like the hot rodders have to talk to governments about these things, there is the street machine federation, but they seem to be pretty lame.
We now have another premier of this state who has never held a drivers licence, so this is what we get.
Steve
Bizarre ·
What.... retrospective legislation??VWCOOL wrote:I think it means all lowered cars after August 1, not all cars lowered after August 1...
Didnt / doesnt apply to any other rules that i am aware of
Indicators, seat belts, ADRs etc etc
Me thinks this hasnt been thunked through enuff
LUFTMEISTER ·
Time to get the negotiating bozooka out boys. New slogan for QLD number plates"The Lowered State" Pay those revenue raises Boys and Girls so the pollies will have a bigger trough to gourge on. SOOOOOOeeeeeeeeeeeehhhh! Or just buy a new plastic mobile, forget about being different and drift gently off to sleep.....zzzzzzzz. May you always travel the road well followed and always pay your taxes.😁
MISS VDUB ·
Spare room at our place buddy!😂hellbugged wrote:i'm moving to QLD 😂
What a load of wank!
VWCOOL ·
Bizarre wrote:What.... retrospective legislation??VWCOOL wrote:I think it means all lowered cars after August 1, not all cars lowered after August 1...
Didnt / doesnt apply to any other rules that i am aware of
Indicators, seat belts, ADRs etc etc
Me thinks this hasnt been thunked through enuff
Yes. Keep in mind this is not really a *new* rule - you have required Engineers' for this sort of stuff for years and years.
I am not saying I agree with it ...nor disagree, yet ... and I agree, it has not been thunk about much... Does it mirror the Code of Practice? Is it based on empirical research? Stats? Does a 'blanket' number of 100mm take into consideration suspension design and type? etc
Bizarre ·
As a famous man once said
"Abortion - it should be made retrospective"
"Abortion - it should be made retrospective"
amazeer ·
If you think you're angry, go talk to the 4WD brigade!
What is the point of owning a hilux if you cant raise it 3 feet and drop a 308 in it????
What is the point of owning a hilux if you cant raise it 3 feet and drop a 308 in it????
donn ·
Yeah, there's another point, why the arbatory 50mm, some cars that would hardly be noticed, others would have them sitting in the weeds, think your right, hasn't been thought through very well, seems like someone opened their mouth before they put their brain into gear.
kombibob ·
how will this apply with the hotrod boys?
Joel ·
this law is bound to piss alot of people off me included as 2 out of 3 of my cars are lowered more than 5cm but as i said earlier i can see the logic behind it in making our roads safer.
theres sensible lowering which improves a cars handling but most people go beyond that purely for the looks which is when they start becoming dangerous
they ride like a shopping trolley, absolutely no give in the suspension
cos the suspension doesnt absorb the bumps well it makes the cars bounce all over the road on rough roads
my ex's corolla on superlows was shocking on rough roads and it can make a car really unpredictable with the wrong conditions
fortunately most of them are in the cities where the worst hazard they might come up against is a lump of bird shit on the road but bring them around here were potholes are often 4" deep and see if their cars are still in one piece by the end of the day
theres sensible lowering which improves a cars handling but most people go beyond that purely for the looks which is when they start becoming dangerous
go for a ride in some of these sex-spec P plater carsdonn wrote:thing I can't come to grips with is the statement "Mr Daley says while drivers may think a lowered car looks "cool" it really is dangerous and any adjustment of more than five centimetres doesn't belong on the road." how can it be dangerous (without qualifying this part of his statement" when cars built for the track are considerably lower than standard just to make them handle better ie. safer cars.
While I personaly agree that some of those cars out there on the road are just stupidly lowered, once a cert is isued to say the work is done correctly with no advers effects on the vehicles safety then that should be that. There, my 2 cents worth with out one *^@+**^
they ride like a shopping trolley, absolutely no give in the suspension
cos the suspension doesnt absorb the bumps well it makes the cars bounce all over the road on rough roads
my ex's corolla on superlows was shocking on rough roads and it can make a car really unpredictable with the wrong conditions
fortunately most of them are in the cities where the worst hazard they might come up against is a lump of bird shit on the road but bring them around here were potholes are often 4" deep and see if their cars are still in one piece by the end of the day
Gringo_54_oval ·
Im with this guy i think these assholes are doing any bullshit to try and recover their governments lost billions trillions from what ever reason they can.fucken assholes.my hiace and bug are both low what am i supose to raise em for these pricks fuck them.eat a dickBOOMERDOG wrote:so considering my car has been lowered for over 23 years on the same settings this makes it dangerous??,do me a fucking favour!leave it out..
what a bunch of fucking knobheads!
so this now means i need an engineers report for something that was proffesionally built that long ago???
fuck this makes me mad..😬😬
they can go fuck em selves as far as i'm concerned..
WANKERS....
if i cant get over a speed hump without angling the car thats my problem but no lets book these guys and rip money from them.that pisses me off.
ok i feel better now
MISS VDUB ·
Having a lowered car has actually taught me how to drive sensibly and properly. Look at half these "standard" cars on the road... it's not the cars that are the problem, it's the dickheads behind the wheel who can't drive, or the idiot who insists on driving a tank but can't see over the bloody dash!
grumble ·
I agree that the RTA has had rules for suspension modifications for as many years as i have been in the trade,unfortunately not everyone worked to these rules. A good example is the 4WD's that are raised so much that they are unstable or the wackers with the air bags that raise and lower the vehicle as they go along.There is no way that these vehicles can meet the roadworthy requirements as regards light alignment or minimum clearances.These monsters should never be registered for road use. If your vehicle meets the standards there should be no problems. Most modified vehicles have an engineers certificate to cover modifications and if they don't that is your decision.
1303Steve ·
Hi
Here is the f wits details, tell him what you think, but remember he he is more likely to listen to your point if don't abuse him or use swear words.
http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/Prod/Parlment/Members.nsf/c1f0a145443eba46ca256ce000181fd1/f81ed499e90a76a7ca25705700192d10!OpenDocument
He was also partly responsible for the cross city tunnel in Sydney, I wonder if he drives a car or gets chauffeured around like stupid Nathan?
Steve
Here is the f wits details, tell him what you think, but remember he he is more likely to listen to your point if don't abuse him or use swear words.
http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/Prod/Parlment/Members.nsf/c1f0a145443eba46ca256ce000181fd1/f81ed499e90a76a7ca25705700192d10!OpenDocument
He was also partly responsible for the cross city tunnel in Sydney, I wonder if he drives a car or gets chauffeured around like stupid Nathan?
Steve
hellbugged ·
has anyone found more details on this rule yet?
how the hell are they going to work out a "standard" height for our beetles and kombis and where it's measured from.......and differences for each year model........will a change in diameter or tyre profile effect this measured height!!
😵💫
how the hell are they going to work out a "standard" height for our beetles and kombis and where it's measured from.......and differences for each year model........will a change in diameter or tyre profile effect this measured height!!
😵💫
Gringo_54_oval ·
i know one thing when i bought my oval home for the 1st time it had skinny tall 15' rims and sat like a bus,i slammed it and shoved 18s on it ask me which handles better.i recon this new ban stinks.
dont like it at all
thanks....
dont like it at all
thanks....
FROSTY ·
This will not seem to effect anyone in Qld unless you are getting roadworthy cert. (not like Nsw every year) There has always been laws to how much a car can be lowered. Years ago I was pulled up for having the nose almost on the ground and had a fix-it note given, (to be put it over their pits in a roadworthy condition within 4 weeks). saying this "What is the original height of a early Beetle?" (Nose to ground and Rear Velance to ground)
thanks
thanks
Gary L ·
Hi I don't think the rule will work reason 1 - If I was to lower my vehicle interstate then return back to NSW, when I do my registration is the mechanic going to care when it was completed for all he would know it could be two years ago.
Please tell me if you believe this will not work.
Please tell me if you believe this will not work.
grumble ·
Sorry guys but i think there is a lot of over reaction to this rule,as I said previously these rules have been in force for over 40 years. I can remember the spec sheets that I was issued with when I started doing reg'n inspections and these included bump stop clearances ,maximum wheel /track sizes max engine size etc. From memory suspension could be dropped by 1/3rd from standard. Of course over the years this rule has been abused and as Joel says the ricers dropped on their guts making them unstable pieces of s...t are one of the reasons the RTA is looking at all modified vehicles.Every now and then they used to have a blitz up here on un roadworthy/modified vehicles but the do gooders and solicitors made a mockery of the system and now everyone will suffer and meet the requirements.
1303Steve ·
Hi
The new rules are on the RTA site now http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi_50_raising-and-lowering-vehicles_17-july-2009.pdf
The way that i read them it doesn't seem all that bad, there doesn't seem to be an amount of lowering that is allowed, but any lowering needs engineering approval.
So you can flout these laws if you want but in the end if you crash your car the insurance companies will be having a close look at your cars compliance.
This may worry some VW owners "Drop axles/spindles must not be used to lower a vehicles ride height."
Steve
The new rules are on the RTA site now http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi_50_raising-and-lowering-vehicles_17-july-2009.pdf
The way that i read them it doesn't seem all that bad, there doesn't seem to be an amount of lowering that is allowed, but any lowering needs engineering approval.
So you can flout these laws if you want but in the end if you crash your car the insurance companies will be having a close look at your cars compliance.
This may worry some VW owners "Drop axles/spindles must not be used to lower a vehicles ride height."
Steve
squizy ·
As Nick said, the fun police are out.
I like this quote from The Australian...
"It can affect handling, braking and safety features such as electronic stability control."
Of course all of our old VW's have electronic stability control!
So the three inch blocks on the back of my HR are out and the cut springs too? Ha ha. Catch me.
I like this quote from The Australian...
"It can affect handling, braking and safety features such as electronic stability control."
Of course all of our old VW's have electronic stability control!
So the three inch blocks on the back of my HR are out and the cut springs too? Ha ha. Catch me.
hellbugged ·
...........front and rear must be lowered equal amounts...............
there goes the "raked" look
there goes the "raked" look
1303Steve ·
Hi
I bet that all the RTA engineers phones will be running hot so that people can get their cars approved by 31st July.
Steve
I bet that all the RTA engineers phones will be running hot so that people can get their cars approved by 31st July.
Steve
XXX-1.8T ·
This may worry some VW owners "Drop axles/spindles must not be used to lower a vehicles ride height."
Steve
Im confused.
My cars are both insured as modified vehicles including suspension mods.
Does this mean im ok?
Also my bug has an adjustable front beam does this mean that my car is illegal now?
Bizarre ·
Am i reading this wrong??
"A person intending to raise or lower a vehicle should seek the assistance of an engineering signatory
prior to commencing the modification. Refer to VSI No. 15 for a list of engineering signatories."
"Once a vehicle has been raised or lowered, it must be checked by an Authorised Examiner at an
Authorised Unregistered Vehicle Inspection Station (AUVIS) inspection, commonly referred to as a ‘blue
slip’ inspection. This inspection will cover the design and installation of the components used in the
modification, and include specific safety check requirements and verification of the certificate issued by
the engineering signatory or manufacturer as appropriate. Once the vehicle has passed an AUVIS
inspection, an ‘Adjustment of Records’ form must be completed and presented to an RTA registry for
processing."
So all i need to do is get a blue slip???
I only need to seek the assistance of an engineer??
"A person intending to raise or lower a vehicle should seek the assistance of an engineering signatory
prior to commencing the modification. Refer to VSI No. 15 for a list of engineering signatories."
"Once a vehicle has been raised or lowered, it must be checked by an Authorised Examiner at an
Authorised Unregistered Vehicle Inspection Station (AUVIS) inspection, commonly referred to as a ‘blue
slip’ inspection. This inspection will cover the design and installation of the components used in the
modification, and include specific safety check requirements and verification of the certificate issued by
the engineering signatory or manufacturer as appropriate. Once the vehicle has passed an AUVIS
inspection, an ‘Adjustment of Records’ form must be completed and presented to an RTA registry for
processing."
So all i need to do is get a blue slip???
I only need to seek the assistance of an engineer??
hellbugged ·
engineeers signatuory different to blue slip inspection
reads to me that anything being registered (as in new "blue slip" type) after August 1st will need an engineers certificate............
..........everything else should be picked up in the next 12 months by "pink" slip renewals and then a engineers certificate will be needed to pass for rego renewal.............
and everything else deemed lowered by random RTA or police rego checks will also be sent for engineers certificates...............YAY!
we need to start a list of engineers that people have had good results with and get all these beetles of ours up to scratch quick
my cars no longer lowered anyways 🙄
reads to me that anything being registered (as in new "blue slip" type) after August 1st will need an engineers certificate............
..........everything else should be picked up in the next 12 months by "pink" slip renewals and then a engineers certificate will be needed to pass for rego renewal.............
and everything else deemed lowered by random RTA or police rego checks will also be sent for engineers certificates...............YAY!
we need to start a list of engineers that people have had good results with and get all these beetles of ours up to scratch quick
my cars no longer lowered anyways 🙄
ian.mezz ·
I know a good engineer and a blue slip guy.😂😂
like several of you have already noticed its up to the individual to how they interpret the rules
like several of you have already noticed its up to the individual to how they interpret the rules
matara ·
Just rang the RTA Technical Unit. They say that the new rules only apply to cars that are registered (blue slipped) after 31 July. If you have modified your car before 31 July, and it is currently registered, then you need do nothing, your OK as long as your registration is kept up to date.
He said if you just say it was modified before 31 July, and it was actually done after 31 July then thats a legal matter between you and the enforcing authority, i.e you have to prove it was done prior to 31 July.
If you leave it until after 31 July, then you need an engineers certifcation of the lowering/raisying mod. All the blue slip inspector does is check the certificate matches the modifications on the car.
I think I might get a job as an Engineer, they are going to be busy as hell with all this.
Cheers
Steve
He said if you just say it was modified before 31 July, and it was actually done after 31 July then thats a legal matter between you and the enforcing authority, i.e you have to prove it was done prior to 31 July.
If you leave it until after 31 July, then you need an engineers certifcation of the lowering/raisying mod. All the blue slip inspector does is check the certificate matches the modifications on the car.
I think I might get a job as an Engineer, they are going to be busy as hell with all this.
Cheers
Steve
ian.mezz ·
I think those young blokes with air bags in their Utes are going to have heaps of trouble.🤪
1303Steve ·
Hi
This may clean up the guys with the rice buckets and their ghetto lowering jobs.
Steve
This may clean up the guys with the rice buckets and their ghetto lowering jobs.
Steve
VWCOOL ·
That's the task of Highway Patrol and/or RTA inspectors, not the Minister for Roads.1303Steve wrote:Hi
This may clean up the guys with the rice buckets and their ghetto lowering jobs.
Steve
meanwhile, anyone with a 4WD with taller springs for towing, or a VW with 195/60/15 front tyres is in the 5hite
SuperOwen ·
So after all the commotion it looks like all we have to do is have our cars inspected for a blue slip and have 100mm ground clearance? sounds pretty reasonable to me.
Joel ·
damn should i be worried with a 4.5" dropped front end and 18" 225/40 tyres 😂VWCOOL wrote:meanwhile, anyone with a 4WD with taller springs for towing, or a VW with 195/60/15 front tyres is in the 5hite
hellbugged ·
tyres only come into the heavily "modified" class if the overall diameter is reduced by 15mm
i'm thinking my sump is not 100mm clear and it's torsion bars are at standard height🙄
i'm thinking my sump is not 100mm clear and it's torsion bars are at standard height🙄
Joel ·
i doubt it will be heavily policed in older cars just like these new P plater rules about driving turbo and V8 vehicles
more for these young guys with newer cars that mummy and daddy had to co-sign for
more for these young guys with newer cars that mummy and daddy had to co-sign for
hellbugged ·
hmmm, just had a run around my beetle with tape measure and calculator......
minimum distance at center point of vehicle looks ok......
lucky the sump plug has been ground (literally 😂 ) away by half it's thickness, cause that's the few mm i needed
flange on exhaust makes it by a bit, but not if she was lowered
i'm still moving to QLD tho 😁
minimum distance at center point of vehicle looks ok......
lucky the sump plug has been ground (literally 😂 ) away by half it's thickness, cause that's the few mm i needed
flange on exhaust makes it by a bit, but not if she was lowered
i'm still moving to QLD tho 😁
Gringo_54_oval ·
i just measured mine and found that the front beam is 70mm and exhaust is 90mm ground clearance PISSSS!!!i think i might jack it up and give it a raise just to be on the safe side.
BUT! i do appreciate a low bug or bus.imagine if we all had to raise our cars to original height how boring the shows would be (for me anyway)🙅
BUT! i do appreciate a low bug or bus.imagine if we all had to raise our cars to original height how boring the shows would be (for me anyway)🙅
grumble ·
🤪As i said a lot of over reaction,but still the onus will come back to the RTA's fall guy ie the examiner and the interpretation of the rules by the RTA inspector at the time of inspection.
hewey ·
In response to some of the comments on here:
All the cars currently registered are sweet, because it only affects mods done after the introductory date. But if in a couple months time I find a sweet stocker bug, the maximum I can lower it is 50mm, and even if I lower it a meazly inch I will need a full engineers report (which also jacks the price of the whole process up). It also means if I find a nice kombi interstate and it has been lowered 2 inches, I am not able to lower it because it is has been too wildly modified.
The pdf from RTA only refers to cars with "unconditional rego" (ie, normal rego). Street Rod rego is classified as 'conditional rego' so therefore rods on SR rego will not be affected. Cars going on SR rego need a full engineers certificate for rego anyway, so it doesn’t really affect them too much. Classic car (or club rego) is also classified as 'conditional rego', but my understanding is a car needs to be stock to go under club rego scheme anyway.how will this apply with the hotrod boys?
Sure there are unsafe ricers and mini trucks which can lay their chassis/body on the ground driving around at the moment. However many of these are illegal under the current laws, so making them more restrictive wont achieve much! Currently an air bagged ride can only be slammed when it is stationary, and even at maximum droop, it must retain its 100mm minimum ride height, in case the bags fail. Obviously, if a mini truck can lay rail, its not going to have that clearance if the bags fail!Sorry guys but i think there is a lot of over reaction to this rule,as I said previously these rules have been in force for over 40 years. I can remember the spec sheets that I was issued with when I started doing reg'n inspections and these included bump stop clearances ,maximum wheel /track sizes max engine size etc. From memory suspension could be dropped by 1/3rd from standard. Of course over the years this rule has been abused and as Joel says the ricers dropped on their guts making them unstable pieces of s...t are one of the reasons the RTA is looking at all modified vehicles.Every now and then they used to have a blitz up here on un roadworthy/modified vehicles but the do gooders and solicitors made a mockery of the system and now everyone will suffer and meet the requirements.
The MAXIMUM you will be able to lower your car is 50mm (that’s not even 2 inches!)The way that i read them it doesn't seem all that bad, there doesn't seem to be an amount of lowering that is allowed
All the cars currently registered are sweet, because it only affects mods done after the introductory date. But if in a couple months time I find a sweet stocker bug, the maximum I can lower it is 50mm, and even if I lower it a meazly inch I will need a full engineers report (which also jacks the price of the whole process up). It also means if I find a nice kombi interstate and it has been lowered 2 inches, I am not able to lower it because it is has been too wildly modified.
Rizzon ·
Wow. That’s a really constructive commentJoel wrote:with any luck it may lead to the extinction of bagged mini-trucks
Thing is, I bet a lot of these ‘bagged mini trucks’ have had more extensive work, engineering and safety testing than a lot of VW (and other) enthusiasts vehicles ever have had. In fact, most would be a lot safer then a lot of narrowed and lowered vw’s, the amount of engineering and safety testing that goes into them.
These new rules limit what the automotive community can do. Rather than hacking out other enthusiasts, how about doing something constructive?
I think the idea to have to engineer a vehicle after the vehicle is lowered at all in part a good thing. As has been said, it makes our roads safer. Thing is, if the vehicle can be engineered at being safe after being lowered more than 50mm (with appropriate testing), then why make a limit?
hellbugged ·
i don't see that in the PDF as far as lowering is concerned........maximum raise is listed as 50mm but then there are loop holes there in which the manufacturer or aftermarket parts to manufacturers specs....can run lifted vehicle heightshewey wrote:]
The MAXIMUM you will be able to lower your car is 50mm (that’s not even 2 inches!)
All the cars currently registered are sweet, because it only affects mods done after the introductory date. But if in a couple months time I find a sweet stocker bug, the maximum I can lower it is 50mm, and even if I lower it a meazly inch I will need a full engineers report (which also jacks the price of the whole process up). It also means if I find a nice kombi interstate and it has been lowered 2 inches, I am not able to lower it because it is has been too wildly modified.
yes you are right as far as "blue" slipping cars from interstate to NSW rego.......all over 🙅
GOOD POINT on bags being able to "chassis park".....yep stuffed if the bag blows
BUT BUT BUT.......are others reading it as lowering can be engineered as long as the gradient, 1 meter from axle and mid point requirements are met???
😂......wonder how an adjustable beam will go as they would allow the car to be lowered below the minimum clearence
QLD here i come 🤓
as far as the bagged truck brigade is concerned, some of their antics displayed at the "half way havoc" meet held here attracted a WHOLE HEAP of negative attention on themselves from authorities much much higher than themselves.......i'm tyring real hard to convince myself that the majority of us aren't paying for the stupidity of a select few 🤘
hewey ·
Page 1, Under Purposehellbugged wrote:i don't see that in the PDF as far as lowering is concerned........maximum raise is listed as 50mm but then there are loop holes there in which the manufacturer or aftermarket parts to manufacturers specs....can run lifted vehicle heights
BUT BUT BUT.......are others reading it as lowering can be engineered as long as the gradient, 1 meter from axle and mid point requirements are met???
This VSI is intended to advise vehicle owners, operators and persons registered as engineering signatories on the Road and Traffic Authority's (RTA's) Engineering Certificate System (ECS), of the requirements for raising or lowering vehicles from their originally designed and manufactured conditions. Apart from minor wheel changes allowed in VSI No. 9 Guidelines for alternative wheels and tyres, it establishes that any raising or lowering of a vehicle from its original height is a major modification, and it limits the change in ride height intended to be used on roads or road related areas to +/- 50mm
trickysimon ·
Everyone sign the petition
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/94/help-save-the-future-of-modified-cars-in-nsw
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/94/help-save-the-future-of-modified-cars-in-nsw
squizy ·
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Joel ·
oh trust me u dont want to open that can of wormsRizzon wrote:Wow. That’s a really constructive commentJoel wrote:with any luck it may lead to the extinction of bagged mini-trucks
Thing is, I bet a lot of these ‘bagged mini trucks’ have had more extensive work, engineering and safety testing than a lot of VW (and other) enthusiasts vehicles ever have had. In fact, most would be a lot safer then a lot of narrowed and lowered vw’s, the amount of engineering and safety testing that goes into them.
These new rules limit what the automotive community can do. Rather than hacking out other enthusiasts, how about doing something constructive?
I think the idea to have to engineer a vehicle after the vehicle is lowered at all in part a good thing. As has been said, it makes our roads safer. Thing is, if the vehicle can be engineered at being safe after being lowered more than 50mm (with appropriate testing), then why make a limit?
a few of my mates are head over heels about there precious lo-deos and couriers and i hang shit on them for it just like they give me shit for driving a vw
its just taking the piss all in good fun
and thats exactly the point ive been making since this thread started
vwjon ·
hi, i'm in WA, im building a baja bug. i lost the origional permit to modify they wont issue another but they do want the car to meet the new rules!
the way i read it, you are allowed a max 50mm body lift (i got a 50mm lift kit) so i think i'm ok!
the car is now alot lighter due to the fibre glass panels, and the gas shocks also lift the suspension slightly, because of this the pits guys say the body is not 50mm higher but 80mm higher cos they add the suspension "lift" as well.
they want an engineers cert, and a swerve test all at my expense and liability!!
so what is the height of a bog standard bug? does any one know where i can find factory specs measured to the roof?
i have a couple of options,
remove lift kit all together
lower suspension and keep lift kit,
dent roof in to reduce overall height of car
suggestions guys please!
the way i read it, you are allowed a max 50mm body lift (i got a 50mm lift kit) so i think i'm ok!
the car is now alot lighter due to the fibre glass panels, and the gas shocks also lift the suspension slightly, because of this the pits guys say the body is not 50mm higher but 80mm higher cos they add the suspension "lift" as well.
they want an engineers cert, and a swerve test all at my expense and liability!!
so what is the height of a bog standard bug? does any one know where i can find factory specs measured to the roof?
i have a couple of options,
remove lift kit all together
lower suspension and keep lift kit,
dent roof in to reduce overall height of car
suggestions guys please!
hellbugged ·
yeah, got it now........thanxhewey wrote:Page 1, Under Purposehellbugged wrote:i don't see that in the PDF as far as lowering is concerned........maximum raise is listed as 50mm but then there are loop holes there in which the manufacturer or aftermarket parts to manufacturers specs....can run lifted vehicle heights
BUT BUT BUT.......are others reading it as lowering can be engineered as long as the gradient, 1 meter from axle and mid point requirements are met???This VSI is intended to advise vehicle owners, operators and persons registered as engineering signatories on the Road and Traffic Authority's (RTA's) Engineering Certificate System (ECS), of the requirements for raising or lowering vehicles from their originally designed and manufactured conditions. Apart from minor wheel changes allowed in VSI No. 9 Guidelines for alternative wheels and tyres, it establishes that any raising or lowering of a vehicle from its original height is a major modification, and it limits the change in ride height intended to be used on roads or road related areas to +/- 50mm
i'm now definately moving to QLD 🤓
1303Steve ·
Hi
Thanks hewey, didn't read that section, I only read the lowering part of it.
I spoke to my engineer today, there is no way around this and worse, if you have adjustable suspension you have to fit a physical stop so that the car can not be made any lower.
The 600mm headlight centre height is still there, so most Beetles that were too low for this 50mm rule would fail this test anyway.
Steve
Thanks hewey, didn't read that section, I only read the lowering part of it.
I spoke to my engineer today, there is no way around this and worse, if you have adjustable suspension you have to fit a physical stop so that the car can not be made any lower.
The 600mm headlight centre height is still there, so most Beetles that were too low for this 50mm rule would fail this test anyway.
Steve
1303Steve ·
Hi
This is what some of the 4WD boys are up to on this matter http://www.4wdaction.com.au/new_rta_height_and_lift_laws/
Steve
This is what some of the 4WD boys are up to on this matter http://www.4wdaction.com.au/new_rta_height_and_lift_laws/
Steve
hellbugged ·
well my plans to move rego due date away from christmas by re registering the car on a fully engineer approved 76 pan are in tatters now.............wondering where this has left your project Steve (PM if you prefer)....
hellbugged ·
Send email, letters, faxes, make phone calls. Go and sit in the office until someone speaks to you! Joining a Facebook group and signing a petition will not do anything!
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1303Steve ·
Hi Damian
Bad luck with your project, I hope you can do something with it.
I think can actually live with a 50mm drop, the worst thing is having to limit my height adjusting stops, if I happen to change spring rate I may run out of adjustment.
Headlight height was always a big issue and is going to a bigger one in future, just measuring my daily 1303 its headlight height a little below the 600 minimum. I thought about combating that buy fitting 5 3/4 sealed beams in the headlights and moving them to the top of the headlight bucket, but that will only raise the headlight height by about 16mm.
My other 1303 with the STI motor has Aero guards which have a slightly higher headlight bucket so I should be OK there.
Steve
Bad luck with your project, I hope you can do something with it.
I think can actually live with a 50mm drop, the worst thing is having to limit my height adjusting stops, if I happen to change spring rate I may run out of adjustment.
Headlight height was always a big issue and is going to a bigger one in future, just measuring my daily 1303 its headlight height a little below the 600 minimum. I thought about combating that buy fitting 5 3/4 sealed beams in the headlights and moving them to the top of the headlight bucket, but that will only raise the headlight height by about 16mm.
My other 1303 with the STI motor has Aero guards which have a slightly higher headlight bucket so I should be OK there.
Steve
Turbo54 ·
Looking for a set of cheap BJ drop spindles - let me know.
T54
T54
VWCOOL ·
... a few journos and aftermarket industry bodies etc etc have been on this case since last friday, implementation of VSI50 appears to be a logistically unworkable situation,
so don't sell or give away anything yet...
so don't sell or give away anything yet...
squizy ·
Just found this on another site...
PRESS RELEASE
AAAA: New NSW Government suspension regulations a farce
In an attempt to hamper modifications made by “car hoons”, on 16 July the NSW Minister for Roads Michael Daley announced changes in regulation that will cause havoc for both the automotive industry and thousands of drivers on NSW roads with minor, currently legal suspension modifications.
The Australian Automotive Aftermarket Association (AAAA) is outraged by this poorly conceived new regulation. The AAAA is the national industry association representing over 1250 manufacturers, distributors, wholesalers, importers and retailers of automotive parts and accessories, tools and equipment.
The Minister announced the new regulation in a media statement headed “Tough new rules for car hoons” and said the regulation will take effect from 1 August 2009. The regulation will mean that virtually all suspension modifications and wheel and tyre upgrades will require certification by authorised engineers.
AAAA Executive Director Stuart Charity said this announcement shocked both the industry and driver groups alike. “The industry has worked closely with governments nationally for many years to develop and promote vehicle modification guidelines designed to meet appropriate road safety requirements,” said Stuart Charity. “The industry is alarmed at this unilateral and unreasonable announcement.
“Neither the industry nor key driver advocacy groups have been consulted regarding this new regulation. No consideration has been taken of the impact that this proposed regulation will have on the wide range of road using industries that must make suspension modifications to their vehicles to improve safety and load carrying capability. Among these roads users are the building, construction, mining and rural industries.
“In addition, there are thousands of private vehicle owners that make suspension modifications to tow their animals, boats and caravans, or simply to improve vehicle handling across a range of driving conditions,” he said.
Unproven assumptions
Stuart Charity said the Minister, or his advisors, made untrue assumptions about the facts of suspension modification and in the language used to announce this proposal.
“Firstly – and unbelievably – they assumed that if you modify the suspension on your vehicle, you are a ‘car hoon’. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that this is fact. Recent AAAA research actually revealed that about 80% of the end users of modified suspension are aged between 26 and 49 years of age. Owners of 4WD vehicles are one of the largest groups making aftermarket suspension modifications and 66% of them are aged between 36 and 49 years. So, the major users of aftermarket suspension modifications are not the 18 to 25 years old high risk group. We also know that ‘hoon drivers’ are only a small portion of the 18 to 25 years old group.
“Secondly, they assumed that if suspension modifications are tougher to access, then there will be less hoon behaviour on NSW roads. The reality is that those who behave illegally on the road are also likely to make illegal suspension alterations.
“A third issue is many of the modifications outlined in the Minister’s press release that will require engineering approval, are legal in every other state in Australia, making this ‘NSW only’ scenario unworkable.
“Finally, the automotive aftermarket industry is totally dismayed at the arrogance exhibited by this announcement. This industry has an annual turnover of $5 billion, exports of $600 million and employs 30,000 people. In NSW, the AAAA membership is 400 companies employing 8,000 people. The AAAA enjoys close working relationships with NSW Government organisations, including the Road Transport Authority, which appears to have ignored an independent engineers report on the improved safety performance of suspension lift modifications submitted in June 2009.
“Given that the automotive aftermarket invests significant resources to ensure that road safety is paramount in the design, engineering and performance of aftermarket products, it is impossible to understand how the industry’s long term contribution could be ignored on this occasion.
“The real issue is that in trying to target ‘car hoons’, the NSW Minister has attacked the wrong ‘cause’. Hoon driving is a driver behaviour issue. It is not a vehicle suspension issue, or even a vehicle modification issue.
“We call on the Minister to immediately withdraw this ill-conceived, unworkable regulation and to engage in appropriate stakeholder consultation with a view to developing common sense laws that have the support of key industry and driver groups,” said Stuart Charity.
PRESS RELEASE
AAAA: New NSW Government suspension regulations a farce
In an attempt to hamper modifications made by “car hoons”, on 16 July the NSW Minister for Roads Michael Daley announced changes in regulation that will cause havoc for both the automotive industry and thousands of drivers on NSW roads with minor, currently legal suspension modifications.
The Australian Automotive Aftermarket Association (AAAA) is outraged by this poorly conceived new regulation. The AAAA is the national industry association representing over 1250 manufacturers, distributors, wholesalers, importers and retailers of automotive parts and accessories, tools and equipment.
The Minister announced the new regulation in a media statement headed “Tough new rules for car hoons” and said the regulation will take effect from 1 August 2009. The regulation will mean that virtually all suspension modifications and wheel and tyre upgrades will require certification by authorised engineers.
AAAA Executive Director Stuart Charity said this announcement shocked both the industry and driver groups alike. “The industry has worked closely with governments nationally for many years to develop and promote vehicle modification guidelines designed to meet appropriate road safety requirements,” said Stuart Charity. “The industry is alarmed at this unilateral and unreasonable announcement.
“Neither the industry nor key driver advocacy groups have been consulted regarding this new regulation. No consideration has been taken of the impact that this proposed regulation will have on the wide range of road using industries that must make suspension modifications to their vehicles to improve safety and load carrying capability. Among these roads users are the building, construction, mining and rural industries.
“In addition, there are thousands of private vehicle owners that make suspension modifications to tow their animals, boats and caravans, or simply to improve vehicle handling across a range of driving conditions,” he said.
Unproven assumptions
Stuart Charity said the Minister, or his advisors, made untrue assumptions about the facts of suspension modification and in the language used to announce this proposal.
“Firstly – and unbelievably – they assumed that if you modify the suspension on your vehicle, you are a ‘car hoon’. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that this is fact. Recent AAAA research actually revealed that about 80% of the end users of modified suspension are aged between 26 and 49 years of age. Owners of 4WD vehicles are one of the largest groups making aftermarket suspension modifications and 66% of them are aged between 36 and 49 years. So, the major users of aftermarket suspension modifications are not the 18 to 25 years old high risk group. We also know that ‘hoon drivers’ are only a small portion of the 18 to 25 years old group.
“Secondly, they assumed that if suspension modifications are tougher to access, then there will be less hoon behaviour on NSW roads. The reality is that those who behave illegally on the road are also likely to make illegal suspension alterations.
“A third issue is many of the modifications outlined in the Minister’s press release that will require engineering approval, are legal in every other state in Australia, making this ‘NSW only’ scenario unworkable.
“Finally, the automotive aftermarket industry is totally dismayed at the arrogance exhibited by this announcement. This industry has an annual turnover of $5 billion, exports of $600 million and employs 30,000 people. In NSW, the AAAA membership is 400 companies employing 8,000 people. The AAAA enjoys close working relationships with NSW Government organisations, including the Road Transport Authority, which appears to have ignored an independent engineers report on the improved safety performance of suspension lift modifications submitted in June 2009.
“Given that the automotive aftermarket invests significant resources to ensure that road safety is paramount in the design, engineering and performance of aftermarket products, it is impossible to understand how the industry’s long term contribution could be ignored on this occasion.
“The real issue is that in trying to target ‘car hoons’, the NSW Minister has attacked the wrong ‘cause’. Hoon driving is a driver behaviour issue. It is not a vehicle suspension issue, or even a vehicle modification issue.
“We call on the Minister to immediately withdraw this ill-conceived, unworkable regulation and to engage in appropriate stakeholder consultation with a view to developing common sense laws that have the support of key industry and driver groups,” said Stuart Charity.
polak ·
hellbugged wrote:...........front and rear must be lowered equal amounts...............
there goes the "raked" look
thats fuked and they can go eat a dick. im not changing how my car is for anyone, especially not for some half-witted fat cats who probably have never even been in a properly lowered vehicle.
iv been building my car for racing so why would i make modifications that make it "less safe" or "handle worse"??? that would just defeat the purpose.
im not denying that there are fukwits out there that have totally ridiculous and unsafe cars, but why fuk it all up for everybody else, the "big boys" are too lazy to do anything about it and are just creating a 'blanket' regulation that will only piss people off and fill their already over-flowing back pockets with more of our hard earned $$$ while the people who have dangerous cars will continue to do their own thing and fly under the radar.
I just came back from the RTA and got a printout out the Vehicle standards information regarding the lowering and raising of vehicles, highlighted the bit where is says it only applies to vehicles that have been modified or presented for inspection after 31/07/09 and printed out dated photos of when my car was lowered aswell as a letter stating all the details of the modification. i signed the bottom, dated it and had a witness do the same. it is now in a seal envelope in my glove box and if any piggies try to give me shit about my car im just going to throw it at them!😬😬
liam66 ·
If you think this doesn't effect you think again...
There are 76 Vehicle Standards bulletins that the RTA has formulated over the years. This is the tip of the iceberg.
These have ALL been rewritten by the NSW centre for road safety. VSI 50 (suspension) is the only first of the VSB's to be replaced. Just wait to they get the emmisions and engine mods one through!!!)
At first these standards appear to be shodily written and leave lots of grey areas. This is not unintentional. When you read it again, notice that the onus is no longer on them to prove you are doing the wrong thing...it's on the vehicle owner to prove they can not exceed the standards. So an adjustable suspension set to a fully legal height will be illegal.
Your current engineers certificate will be honoured...until you get defected, then you'll need a new certificate and blue slip, to comply to the new standards...not going to happen.
Want to get a new blue slip...for his $63 the blue slip guy will have to go through all the old stuff plus new paperwork- for suspension changes there's now 83 points they must check, notarize and sign off on. Reckon they'll welcome doing all that work and risking their livelyhood and massive fines for 63 bucks?
New standards for engineers certificates have not been announced yet ( they WILL be coming) it appears very likely they'll include an abridged brake test and swerve test. Think $6000 to $8000 for an attempt at this...Book and hire a race track for a day at a time that suits the RTA, pro driver and your engineer. Trust me- a new HSV with the big brake package will really struggle to pass. ( 10 x repeated 110 kph emergency stops, 10 more on front brakes only, 10 more on rears only, then the handbrake! all within a prescribed distance, straight line and with out lock up and no degradation in performance for each group and you can't loose more than 10% of the brake material , effectively ruling out flash pads.)
Then there's the swerve test- equally hard to pass and no care no responsibility if they roll your car. Most new cars wouldn't pass either test, but it will only be applied to modified...
Supposing you pass all that, and get defected again...the onus will be on you to prove that you still comply- so go and do it all again to the new standards.
This is much more far reaching than people seem to be understanding...imagine a grey nomad towing a van (annoying as they may be) the turbo kit they fitted, the heavy duty supension or poly air helper bags they've fitted each now make them unroadworthy and uninsured.
Who's going to bother with any other accessories if they can't get the basics.
The engine standards will basically read if you cant prove the emmisions are not as good as the standrad NEW factory vehicle you cant have them. Proof of compliance will be by RTA prescribed tests (ouch!) or by a letter from the vehicle manufacturer stating that your specific vehicles has not been adversley effected...best of luck there.
Given that this was the NSW minister's replacement for the NCOP, I think you can reasonably expect this will be adopted Australia wide.
Dont think it will be enforced? I have a couple of mates with fairly tame 4wd's they bothered getting engineered.
Their regos have a notation that the vehicle has a certificate. Their rego is due. They have regected for online renewal and got letters demanding the vehicle be presented to specific RTA offices within 14 days.
Personally I don't believe online protests, angry letters or blockades do anything (except make us look bad)
I think the only plan is to expose the minister and Nathan Reese as being the idiots responsible for the death of the aftermarket industry and 10,000 plus jobs during an economic crisis.
There are 76 Vehicle Standards bulletins that the RTA has formulated over the years. This is the tip of the iceberg.
These have ALL been rewritten by the NSW centre for road safety. VSI 50 (suspension) is the only first of the VSB's to be replaced. Just wait to they get the emmisions and engine mods one through!!!)
At first these standards appear to be shodily written and leave lots of grey areas. This is not unintentional. When you read it again, notice that the onus is no longer on them to prove you are doing the wrong thing...it's on the vehicle owner to prove they can not exceed the standards. So an adjustable suspension set to a fully legal height will be illegal.
Your current engineers certificate will be honoured...until you get defected, then you'll need a new certificate and blue slip, to comply to the new standards...not going to happen.
Want to get a new blue slip...for his $63 the blue slip guy will have to go through all the old stuff plus new paperwork- for suspension changes there's now 83 points they must check, notarize and sign off on. Reckon they'll welcome doing all that work and risking their livelyhood and massive fines for 63 bucks?
New standards for engineers certificates have not been announced yet ( they WILL be coming) it appears very likely they'll include an abridged brake test and swerve test. Think $6000 to $8000 for an attempt at this...Book and hire a race track for a day at a time that suits the RTA, pro driver and your engineer. Trust me- a new HSV with the big brake package will really struggle to pass. ( 10 x repeated 110 kph emergency stops, 10 more on front brakes only, 10 more on rears only, then the handbrake! all within a prescribed distance, straight line and with out lock up and no degradation in performance for each group and you can't loose more than 10% of the brake material , effectively ruling out flash pads.)
Then there's the swerve test- equally hard to pass and no care no responsibility if they roll your car. Most new cars wouldn't pass either test, but it will only be applied to modified...
Supposing you pass all that, and get defected again...the onus will be on you to prove that you still comply- so go and do it all again to the new standards.
This is much more far reaching than people seem to be understanding...imagine a grey nomad towing a van (annoying as they may be) the turbo kit they fitted, the heavy duty supension or poly air helper bags they've fitted each now make them unroadworthy and uninsured.
Who's going to bother with any other accessories if they can't get the basics.
The engine standards will basically read if you cant prove the emmisions are not as good as the standrad NEW factory vehicle you cant have them. Proof of compliance will be by RTA prescribed tests (ouch!) or by a letter from the vehicle manufacturer stating that your specific vehicles has not been adversley effected...best of luck there.
Given that this was the NSW minister's replacement for the NCOP, I think you can reasonably expect this will be adopted Australia wide.
Dont think it will be enforced? I have a couple of mates with fairly tame 4wd's they bothered getting engineered.
Their regos have a notation that the vehicle has a certificate. Their rego is due. They have regected for online renewal and got letters demanding the vehicle be presented to specific RTA offices within 14 days.
Personally I don't believe online protests, angry letters or blockades do anything (except make us look bad)
I think the only plan is to expose the minister and Nathan Reese as being the idiots responsible for the death of the aftermarket industry and 10,000 plus jobs during an economic crisis.
Bizarre ·
Think i willl just throw my beetle away 🙁
1303Steve ·
Hi
Squisy, I'm glad some smarter heads than me have put pen to paper, great info.
Liam66, some scary stuff to come.
I'm almost finished a rebuild on my daily 1303, Ive spent many $$s on it and expect to spend more on it still, I'm also building another 1303 and expect to spend another 15-20 thousand on it before its on the road.
The majority was and will be spent with local parts suppliers and motor trades people.
I expect that other VW people are doing similar things.
The way this legislation will work is that it will force enthusiasts to give up and buy a late model car and just leave it alone.
Steve
Squisy, I'm glad some smarter heads than me have put pen to paper, great info.
Liam66, some scary stuff to come.
I'm almost finished a rebuild on my daily 1303, Ive spent many $$s on it and expect to spend more on it still, I'm also building another 1303 and expect to spend another 15-20 thousand on it before its on the road.
The majority was and will be spent with local parts suppliers and motor trades people.
I expect that other VW people are doing similar things.
The way this legislation will work is that it will force enthusiasts to give up and buy a late model car and just leave it alone.
Steve
Klaus ·
the 4wd guys are stressing aswell, shit every modified car forum is going off. Hope some of it ends up in the right mailbox.
amazeer ·
I think you should do that too. I'll PM you my address and you can dump it out front. If I can hillclimb and supersprint a stock height bus then driving a stock height beetle on a daily commute shouldnt be a problem. 😀Bizarre wrote:Think i willl just throw my beetle away 🙁
I really dont think this will be a big problem. Just put your cap on forward, put your seatback upright and do the right thing. If your car isnt stupid low you wont get hassled I dont think. If you get pulled over for something else, sure the tape measure will come out too. Cops cant be bothered doing that shit. Otherwise they'd be issuing defects for headlights, taillights, led's and neons. They just dont care.
Just the same as I've never been hassled doing 10kmh over the limit. (though I wouldnt try that outside of NSW)
hellbugged ·
well, got some responses from my emails........some forwarded it on to Mr Daley's office
at least feel like i have done something, didnt take long
at least feel like i have done something, didnt take long
hellbugged ·
ha ha good one 🥲Turbo54 wrote:Looking for a set of cheap BJ drop spindles - let me know.
T54
Gringo_54_oval ·
hey who wants a hoons stupidly lowered oval beetle with 18's without a back seat subs in its place,cause all this crap thats gonna happen worries me.i dont like worries! 😠
i might throw air bags on my bug and when i see the fuzz i raise it to land cruiser level and roll by em with a smile.😂
i might throw air bags on my bug and when i see the fuzz i raise it to land cruiser level and roll by em with a smile.😂
h ·
i've been waiting for this type of recognised industry response and that with any degree of luck where jobs jobs jobs will be affected in the current economic climate that this will now come under some proper scrutinysquizy wrote:“Finally, the automotive aftermarket industry is totally dismayed at the arrogance exhibited by this announcement. This industry has an annual turnover of $5 billion, exports of $600 million and employs 30,000 people. In NSW, the AAAA membership is 400 companies employing 8,000 people. The AAAA enjoys close working relationships with NSW Government organisations, including the Road Transport Authority, which appears to have ignored an independent engineers report on the improved safety performance of suspension lift modifications submitted in June 2009.
if this proposed legislation in nsw is implemented many people and businesses will be gone and the governments biggest agenda of being re-elected will be marginalised therefore they will take notice and amend the bill thats under review
i dont see it being thrown out as then the minister of roads will look like a lame duck goose and governments cant have ministers with that stigma
eagerly watching this space as next week hopefully more action will prevail
pls keep contacting the minister and your local member in nsw letting them know of your dismay and potential loss of jobs and also everyone let your local federal member know as they can be of use as well
im sure pollies will prick there ears up and listen when the loss of jobs jobs jobs is a result of the bill being passed and implemented..
you can all avoid this shite by following hellbugged and move to queensland..
you'd be more than welcome.. 😂
bajachris88 ·
so if u got heavily sagged torsion bars can they pin ya for a lowering job :P? Make a good skape goat hey.
So cause i'm in qld.. i shouldn't be worried?
Wats the use of havin a baja if i can't use my raised rear and cut and turned beam and 31ich' tyres all round? How lame....
These ministers must be pretty bord. Wonder if they are even married...
Illegal lowerin jobs should just be a matter of road side inspection. My bros car has lowered front springs, ie: rake. handles betta than eva, way less body roll cause they are stiffer too. While we got idiots like a guy i used to work with who put an angle grinder on his VC commodore springs and dropped it on its guts as a result. Their the kinda people that should be sniffed out. The bogan patrol need to target them rather than everyone and innocent enthusiasts.
If i remember correct too, isn't a bloody engineering cert like $300 ish? much more exy than a rwc?
So cause i'm in qld.. i shouldn't be worried?
Wats the use of havin a baja if i can't use my raised rear and cut and turned beam and 31ich' tyres all round? How lame....
These ministers must be pretty bord. Wonder if they are even married...
Illegal lowerin jobs should just be a matter of road side inspection. My bros car has lowered front springs, ie: rake. handles betta than eva, way less body roll cause they are stiffer too. While we got idiots like a guy i used to work with who put an angle grinder on his VC commodore springs and dropped it on its guts as a result. Their the kinda people that should be sniffed out. The bogan patrol need to target them rather than everyone and innocent enthusiasts.
If i remember correct too, isn't a bloody engineering cert like $300 ish? much more exy than a rwc?
BOOMERDOG ·
GeorgeL ·
Now that's the way to get a government official to see your point of view!
VWCOOL ·
GeorgeL wrote:Now that's the way to get a government official to see your point of view!
... no it's not. It just pisses them off.
Trust me, there are plenty of industy groups and journos etc 'on the case' on behalf of enthusiasts. I really don't think John & Joan Average realise yet how sinister and far-reaching these new rules are. EVERY car and 4WD EVER lowered or lifted in NSW will be subject to defect next Tuesday.
Wish us luck.
jonnyb ·
mr Daley could not have done this without the go ahead from his boss.
hellbugged ·
yeah, i'm wishing you good luck Glenn, heaps of it, don't worry 'bout that........
so is your interpretation/knowledge that these newly declared "modified" vehicles should/will be picked up in the next twelve months, be it through roadside defects or usual course of annual pink slips?..........
wonder what the standard "trim height" for a beetle will be declared at and if it will vary for year models.................how the f&$K they gonna figure that out!
did beetles make the standard 600mm headlight height from the factory anyways?
.........and which part of QLD are people reccomending at the moment 😎
so is your interpretation/knowledge that these newly declared "modified" vehicles should/will be picked up in the next twelve months, be it through roadside defects or usual course of annual pink slips?..........
wonder what the standard "trim height" for a beetle will be declared at and if it will vary for year models.................how the f&$K they gonna figure that out!
did beetles make the standard 600mm headlight height from the factory anyways?
.........and which part of QLD are people reccomending at the moment 😎
1303Steve ·
Hi
Stock bugs headlight height would close 600mm, who knows.
This is the same government that recently allowed cars younger than 5 years old not to need a rego check, Ive seen cars in a very poor state in much less time than that, so who is checking these cars?
That also means that you could buy a new car and do all sorts of modifications and not have the car properly looked at for 5 years.
Maybe they are going to have more roadside checks.
Steve
Stock bugs headlight height would close 600mm, who knows.
This is the same government that recently allowed cars younger than 5 years old not to need a rego check, Ive seen cars in a very poor state in much less time than that, so who is checking these cars?
That also means that you could buy a new car and do all sorts of modifications and not have the car properly looked at for 5 years.
Maybe they are going to have more roadside checks.
Steve
mactaylor ·
daimo i like the look of cooktown not many do gooders up there bit of a fringe town with plenty of beer!
ian.mezz ·
we have a stock 1958 and 1962 beetle and to the center of head light is about 650😊.
hellbugged ·
"Lowered, no officer, must be just old age........."🤪
Thanx for that Ian
.......what are the job opportunitys like in QLD at the moment 🤓
Thanx for that Ian
.......what are the job opportunitys like in QLD at the moment 🤓
polak ·
"Lowered??! no i swear, officer, my car is factory height, its just all the other cars have been raised......" 😂
hellbugged wrote:"Lowered, no officer, must be just old age........."🤪
Thanx for that Ian
.......what are the job opportunitys like in QLD at the moment 🤓
hellbugged ·
"sure son..........here's a new red sticker for your hoon car, you know what D-E-F-E-C-T spells don't you, SLAP!!!"
.......and that will be the sentence that closes 20 years of trouble free motoring for me 😠
.......and that will be the sentence that closes 20 years of trouble free motoring for me 😠
rose ·
my oval to the center of head light is about 450mm me not going to worry what will be will be. Worry about it when and if it ever happens.
bajachris88 ·
Ha. and to think i just lowred a 75' ta22 an inch on the back and 2 inches on the front :P
keep fightin boys! They can be real monsters!
keep fightin boys! They can be real monsters!
Klaus ·
shit my 62 split panel is 660mm to centre of headlight and 115mm is min clearance , and thats lowered 150mm .
Joel ·
true that1303Steve wrote:Hi
Stock bugs headlight height would close 600mm, who knows.
This is the same government that recently allowed cars younger than 5 years old not to need a rego check, Ive seen cars in a very poor state in much less time than that, so who is checking these cars?
That also means that you could buy a new car and do all sorts of modifications and not have the car properly looked at for 5 years.
Maybe they are going to have more roadside checks.
Steve
i dropped in to see a mechanic mate a few weeks ago and he was doing a service on a BF fairmont
i didnt look at the date of it but being a BF its less than 5 years old but looked 10, dings all down the sides, bottom lip of the back bumper broken off and when he kicked it in the guts it spent 10 secs spluttering before it setteled to a steady idle
i looked inside and it had 328,000kms on the clock 🤪
owner lives out west of mallanganee on a shitty road and buys a new car every 5 years so he doesnt have to worry about pink slips
1303Steve ·
Hi
I just sent my email to my local member, we all need to do this.
Feel free to use any details you find useful.
======================
Hi Kevin
I’ve met you a few times when I was Cub & Scout leader at xxxxxxx Scout group.
I’m a keen car restorer and modifier and I’m very concerned about the new RTA rule VSI 50, it will severely impact on two of my vehicles and my hobby.
My son and I have two VW Beetles that I’m restoring for future road use and to use in motor sport events, one is still registered and will be back on the road in a few weeks, the other will not be ready for registration for about another year
I have spent 10s of thousands of dollars with local suppliers and tradesmen on these vehicles already, and I was planning on spending many more thousands of dollars with local businesses.
I have always complied with existing RTA modified vehicle rules and guidelines and don’t consider myself a hoon and only drive my cars at speed in a controlled motor sport environment.
Perhaps a better idea would have been to enforce existing RTA regulations to stamp out illegally modified cars.
Besides affecting myself this will impact many other individuals and aftermarket businesses, can you bring this matter up with Mr Daley on my behalf?
Regards Steve Carter,
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I just sent my email to my local member, we all need to do this.
Feel free to use any details you find useful.
======================
Hi Kevin
I’ve met you a few times when I was Cub & Scout leader at xxxxxxx Scout group.
I’m a keen car restorer and modifier and I’m very concerned about the new RTA rule VSI 50, it will severely impact on two of my vehicles and my hobby.
My son and I have two VW Beetles that I’m restoring for future road use and to use in motor sport events, one is still registered and will be back on the road in a few weeks, the other will not be ready for registration for about another year
I have spent 10s of thousands of dollars with local suppliers and tradesmen on these vehicles already, and I was planning on spending many more thousands of dollars with local businesses.
I have always complied with existing RTA modified vehicle rules and guidelines and don’t consider myself a hoon and only drive my cars at speed in a controlled motor sport environment.
Perhaps a better idea would have been to enforce existing RTA regulations to stamp out illegally modified cars.
Besides affecting myself this will impact many other individuals and aftermarket businesses, can you bring this matter up with Mr Daley on my behalf?
Regards Steve Carter,
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
squizy ·
Thanks Steve. Judy Hopwood now has an email in her inbox.
VWCOOL ·
Send them to the Office of the Minister for Roads as well. You probably won't get a response - I haven't, and I began my emails Monday a week ago, but they need to realise how many normal people this affects. My guess is in the tens of thousands: most mummies and daddies don't realise the second-hand 4WD they bought to do some camping, or possibly the ex-government Commodore (ex police and lowered) could be put off the road next Monday:
If you have ANY modified car, engineered or not, I urge you to send a short email outlining its modifications and asking if it will still be legal from August 1. Also, feel free to cut n paste the following.
"I also wish to voice my absolute disgust at being labelled a 'hoon' by the Hon Michael Daley in his press release dated 16 July 2009 because I have chosen to improve and personalise my vehicle."
office@daley.minister.nsw.gov.au
also:
tech-enq@rta.nsw.gov.au
If you have ANY modified car, engineered or not, I urge you to send a short email outlining its modifications and asking if it will still be legal from August 1. Also, feel free to cut n paste the following.
"I also wish to voice my absolute disgust at being labelled a 'hoon' by the Hon Michael Daley in his press release dated 16 July 2009 because I have chosen to improve and personalise my vehicle."
office@daley.minister.nsw.gov.au
also:
tech-enq@rta.nsw.gov.au
1303Steve ·
Hi
I don't know if it will help but I sent one to Barry O'Farrel barry.ofarrell@nsw.liberal.org.au
Steve
I don't know if it will help but I sent one to Barry O'Farrel barry.ofarrell@nsw.liberal.org.au
Steve
Mick058 ·
my reply from the rta email address...VWCOOL wrote:Send them to the Office of the Minister for Roads as well. You probably won't get a response - I haven't, and I began my emails Monday a week ago, but they need to realise how many normal people this affects. My guess is in the tens of thousands: most mummies and daddies don't realise the second-hand 4WD they bought to do some camping, or possibly the ex-government Commodore (ex police and lowered) could be put off the road next Monday:
If you have ANY modified car, engineered or not, I urge you to send a short email outlining its modifications and asking if it will still be legal from August 1. Also, feel free to cut n paste the following.
"I also wish to voice my absolute disgust at being labelled a 'hoon' by the Hon Michael Daley in his press release dated 16 July 2009 because I have chosen to improve and personalise my vehicle."
office@daley.minister.nsw.gov.au
also:
tech-enq@rta.nsw.gov.au
Michael,
I have forwarded your correspondence to the appropriate area,unfortunately I am not in a position to say when they will answer it.
Regards
Mark McIntyre
RTA Tech Enq
Klaus ·
sent one to my local member and recieved a reply stated it had been forwarded on to mr daleys office.
hellbugged ·
Christ Mick, i had forgotten about your need for a fresh engineers cert..........get onto it quick and good luckMick058 wrote:my reply from the rta email address...VWCOOL wrote:Send them to the Office of the Minister for Roads as well. You probably won't get a response - I haven't, and I began my emails Monday a week ago, but they need to realise how many normal people this affects. My guess is in the tens of thousands: most mummies and daddies don't realise the second-hand 4WD they bought to do some camping, or possibly the ex-government Commodore (ex police and lowered) could be put off the road next Monday:
If you have ANY modified car, engineered or not, I urge you to send a short email outlining its modifications and asking if it will still be legal from August 1. Also, feel free to cut n paste the following.
"I also wish to voice my absolute disgust at being labelled a 'hoon' by the Hon Michael Daley in his press release dated 16 July 2009 because I have chosen to improve and personalise my vehicle."
office@daley.minister.nsw.gov.au
also:
tech-enq@rta.nsw.gov.au
Michael,
I have forwarded your correspondence to the appropriate area,unfortunately I am not in a position to say when they will answer it.
Regards
Mark McIntyre
RTA Tech Enq
Damien
hellbugged ·
oh dear you will be in trouble for headlights too high AND suspension lowereing 😂Klaus wrote:shit my 62 split panel is 660mm to centre of headlight and 115mm is min clearance , and thats lowered 150mm .
this shit sucks, can't believe there is only a few of us posting on this thread........doesn't EVERYONE know this will be very far reaching for all sorts of entusiasts AND joe blow too boot
bajachris88 ·
what happens if wehn u lower ur car u raise the headlights accordingly :P?
hellbugged ·
yeah, if only they were that easily fooled.........that's why QLD seems so inviting, the stuff you guys get away with is unheard of down here 🤪bajachris88 wrote:what happens if wehn u lower ur car u raise the headlights accordingly :P?
amazeer ·
caravan magazine is sewing seeds of rebellion too.
http://www.candm.com.au/newsletter/2009/new_rta_rules/index.html
http://www.candm.com.au/newsletter/2009/new_rta_rules/index.html
amazeer ·
Good luck with your letters to your local members. The local school bus was hit and miss down here. Sometimes it came, sometimes it didnt. When it did come it missed stops, one time it even went on the wrong route. My local member forwarded that on too. I think it took 2 or 3 months before we got a letter back from the relevant minister who informed us that the matter was resolved. It was, but only because parents took it up with the bus company on their own.
hellbugged ·
Christ, what company was that?..........there are so many regulations in this industry it's not funny, i won't bother starting to outline them.........that crap should be unheard of.amazeer wrote:Good luck with your letters to your local members. The local school bus was hit and miss down here. Sometimes it came, sometimes it didnt. When it did come it missed stops, one time it even went on the wrong route. My local member forwarded that on too. I think it took 2 or 3 months before we got a letter back from the relevant minister who informed us that the matter was resolved. It was, but only because parents took it up with the bus company on their own.
Bizarre ·
You hang out on all the cool forums Chris 👍
Just sent some emails off to some pollies 🥲
Just sent some emails off to some pollies 🥲
Klaus ·
Well just sent a message to "JJJ" hack team see if they follow it up , jobs jobs jobs and affects on all areas of the motor industry and chucked in referance to AAAA"s Stuart Charity.
Hopefully they will open a few more eyes to the implications of the new laws .
More messages to them might push a story out of them.
Hopefully they will open a few more eyes to the implications of the new laws .
More messages to them might push a story out of them.
hellbugged ·
yep, i sent another stack of emails again, this time i'm a caravan enthusiast.........played the VW nut and 4wd enthusiast ones last weekKlaus wrote:Well just sent a message to "JJJ" hack team see if they follow it up , jobs jobs jobs and affects on all areas of the motor industry and chucked in referance to AAAA"s Stuart Charity.
Hopefully they will open a few more eyes to the implications of the new laws .
More messages to them might push a story out of them.
yeah, ive been waiting for JJJ to do a story on it too........i'll give them a nudge as well
avid 14 hour a day listener since they went national all those years ago
Klaus ·
hells yeah . Sue crookshank and maynard f j crabs in the early 90's. Commercial stations around here give me ear bleeds .
VWCOOL ·
good idea - I listen to Hack every couple of days, more than Today's Current Tonight's Affair or whatever...hellbugged wrote:yep, i sent another stack of emails again, this time i'm a caravan enthusiast.........played the VW nut and 4wd enthusiast ones last weekKlaus wrote:Well just sent a message to "JJJ" hack team see if they follow it up , jobs jobs jobs and affects on all areas of the motor industry and chucked in referance to AAAA"s Stuart Charity.
Hopefully they will open a few more eyes to the implications of the new laws .
More messages to them might push a story out of them.
yeah, ive been waiting for JJJ to do a story on it too........i'll give them a nudge as well
avid 14 hour a day listener since they went national all those years ago
Bizarre ·
The following email /petition was set to mr today from a hot rod co-worker
petition overview | letter
Car Enthusiasts Against lowering and raising vehicle laws !Target:10000.Sponsored by: www.downundertruckin.com
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/94/help-save-the-future-of-modified-cars-in-nsw
petition overview | letter
Car Enthusiasts Against lowering and raising vehicle laws !Target:10000.Sponsored by: www.downundertruckin.com
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/94/help-save-the-future-of-modified-cars-in-nsw
Joel ·
i went and spoke to my mate today who does pinks and blueys to get his take on it and hes said basically what i already suspected
theyre given a book with specs for the standard distance from the center of the hub to the top of the wheel arch and it has to be within 50mm of this measurement
like i thought it doesnt go as far back as aircooled vws so unless there blantantly lowered will mostly go unnoticed
theyre given a book with specs for the standard distance from the center of the hub to the top of the wheel arch and it has to be within 50mm of this measurement
like i thought it doesnt go as far back as aircooled vws so unless there blantantly lowered will mostly go unnoticed
1303Steve ·
Hi
I was looking at my 1303 owners manual today. It lists width etc, it says the height of an unladen 1303 is 1500 mm, mines way under that.
Steve
I was looking at my 1303 owners manual today. It lists width etc, it says the height of an unladen 1303 is 1500 mm, mines way under that.
Steve
hellbugged ·
recieved this response today.........:👍
Thank you for your recent email in relation to the NSW Labor Government’s changes to regulations relating to the lowering and raising of motor vehicles.
I have forwarded a copy of your correspondence on to NSW Nationals Leader and Shadow Minister for Roads, Mr Andrew Stoner MP, for his consideration.
The NSW Liberals and Nationals oppose these changes, which have been introduced by the Rees Labor Government without consultation or any debate in the NSW Parliament.
The NSW Liberals and Nationals have called upon the Minister for Roads to withdraw the policy and will continue to pursue this issue on behalf of NSW motorists when Parliament resumes in September.
Yours sincerely
(signed)
Hon. Mike Gallacher MLC
Leader of the Opposition in the Legislative Council
Shadow Minister for Police
Shadow Minister for the Hunter
Thank you for your recent email in relation to the NSW Labor Government’s changes to regulations relating to the lowering and raising of motor vehicles.
I have forwarded a copy of your correspondence on to NSW Nationals Leader and Shadow Minister for Roads, Mr Andrew Stoner MP, for his consideration.
The NSW Liberals and Nationals oppose these changes, which have been introduced by the Rees Labor Government without consultation or any debate in the NSW Parliament.
The NSW Liberals and Nationals have called upon the Minister for Roads to withdraw the policy and will continue to pursue this issue on behalf of NSW motorists when Parliament resumes in September.
Yours sincerely
(signed)
Hon. Mike Gallacher MLC
Leader of the Opposition in the Legislative Council
Shadow Minister for Police
Shadow Minister for the Hunter
Klaus ·
Wow there is someone who might give a shit what the taxpayers have to say.
h ·
he's only interested *apparently* because he needs your vote to get into power.. thats all..Klaus wrote:Wow there is someone who might give a shit what the taxpayers have to say.
but all the power to raise the issue to a head and have it debated properly..
amazeer ·
naive. the opposition will always say what you want to here. Easiest thing to do in the world is sit there and say the opposite to the guy with bigger hat. Turnbull seems to be the only one having difficulty with that.
Klaus ·
really.. but polititions are so truthful and understanding. better vote greens then .
1303Steve ·
Hi
I just read on 4WD forum that VS150 has been put on hold. http://www.4wdaction.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=74015
Steve
I just read on 4WD forum that VS150 has been put on hold. http://www.4wdaction.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=74015
Steve
1303Steve ·
The press release.
NSW MINISTER FOR ROADS MICHAEL DALEY MP
N E W S R E L E A S E
MINISTER AGREES TO FURTHER CONSULTATION ON CAR MODIFICATION LAWS
Wednesday 29 July 2009
Minister for Roads Michael Daley today met with representatives from the 4WD communityand car industry who asked for the introduction of proposed vehicle modification rules to be delayed and for more time to consult.
Mr Daley said he agreed to put the rule changes on hold and that more consultation was needed following the meeting.
Ive listened to feedback from the industry and the community, and have agreed to set up a working party to look more closely at how we are going to address this road safety issue, he said.
All of those who attended todays meeting agreed that safety is paramount and that unsafe modifications of vehicles do need be stamped out.
The working group will include representatives from the NSW Centre for Road Safety,
Four Wheel Drive NSW-ACT, Australian Automotive Aftermarket Association, the Australian 4WD Industry Council as well as other agencies and experts, Mr Daley said.
Executive Director of Australian Automotive Aftermarket Association Stuart Charity said this was a terrific outcome.
Were passionate about road safety and we understand the intent of the regulation is to make the roads safer he said.
Were looking forward to working towards a practical solution that meets road safety objectives while also taking industry views into account, Mr Charity said.
Greg Redfern from Four Wheel Drive NSW-ACT also welcomed the outcome and said the working group would have their full support.
We want to eliminate unsafe practices in the driving community and well work with the government to make sure these new regulations meet those objectives without any adverse consequences for the motoring community at large, he said.
We all agree that there is no place for extreme and illegal modifications, but the clubs in our association follow a strict code of conduct and ethics, and we want to make sure theyre not punished, Mr Redfern said.
Contact: 9228 5665
NSW MINISTER FOR ROADS MICHAEL DALEY MP
N E W S R E L E A S E
MINISTER AGREES TO FURTHER CONSULTATION ON CAR MODIFICATION LAWS
Wednesday 29 July 2009
Minister for Roads Michael Daley today met with representatives from the 4WD communityand car industry who asked for the introduction of proposed vehicle modification rules to be delayed and for more time to consult.
Mr Daley said he agreed to put the rule changes on hold and that more consultation was needed following the meeting.
Ive listened to feedback from the industry and the community, and have agreed to set up a working party to look more closely at how we are going to address this road safety issue, he said.
All of those who attended todays meeting agreed that safety is paramount and that unsafe modifications of vehicles do need be stamped out.
The working group will include representatives from the NSW Centre for Road Safety,
Four Wheel Drive NSW-ACT, Australian Automotive Aftermarket Association, the Australian 4WD Industry Council as well as other agencies and experts, Mr Daley said.
Executive Director of Australian Automotive Aftermarket Association Stuart Charity said this was a terrific outcome.
Were passionate about road safety and we understand the intent of the regulation is to make the roads safer he said.
Were looking forward to working towards a practical solution that meets road safety objectives while also taking industry views into account, Mr Charity said.
Greg Redfern from Four Wheel Drive NSW-ACT also welcomed the outcome and said the working group would have their full support.
We want to eliminate unsafe practices in the driving community and well work with the government to make sure these new regulations meet those objectives without any adverse consequences for the motoring community at large, he said.
We all agree that there is no place for extreme and illegal modifications, but the clubs in our association follow a strict code of conduct and ethics, and we want to make sure theyre not punished, Mr Redfern said.
Contact: 9228 5665
Klaus ·
should be interesting. First amendment all commodores with stock rims out back and 20's upfront will be defected and then the fine will double if a "UNIT" sticker is on the back window ha ha .
hellbugged ·
www.nothoons.com.au
Thank you for your email in regards to the Rees Labor Government's new vehicle suspension regulations.
As you may be aware, the Rees Government has recently backflipped on their harsh new vehicle modification laws, following pressure from the community and the media.
According to Labor Roads Minister Michael Daley, the new regulations will now be put 'on hold' to allow more time for consultation.
This is not good enough.
We are calling on the Minister Daley to rule out these changes indefinitely.
The fight is not over. Please take a minute to sign our online petition at www.nothoons.com.au and help fight these out of touch new rules.
Yours sincerely
Andrew Stoner MP
Shadow Minister for Roads
Leader of The Nationals - NSW
Thank you for your email in regards to the Rees Labor Government's new vehicle suspension regulations.
As you may be aware, the Rees Government has recently backflipped on their harsh new vehicle modification laws, following pressure from the community and the media.
According to Labor Roads Minister Michael Daley, the new regulations will now be put 'on hold' to allow more time for consultation.
This is not good enough.
We are calling on the Minister Daley to rule out these changes indefinitely.
The fight is not over. Please take a minute to sign our online petition at www.nothoons.com.au and help fight these out of touch new rules.
Yours sincerely
Andrew Stoner MP
Shadow Minister for Roads
Leader of The Nationals - NSW
vwjon ·
my baja bug has modified arches, theres 30 cm (300mm) between the top of the tyre and the lip of the arch, i've not lifted the car 30cm!!Joel wrote:theyre given a book with specs for the standard distance from the center of the hub to the top of the wheel arch and it has to be within 50mm of this measurement
all the rules for car mods in Oz seem a bit wierd, if they REALLY want to cut down on hoon deaths etc restrict engine size for P platers and leave the sensible guys alone!
Flintstones ·
It's a case of a NON-Car enthusiast making laws on something they know nothing about......
If these pollies actually gave a stuff about road deaths, then they would target the clowns head on and not penalize those that do the right thing.
Also they should spend our taxes on making safer roads for us to drive on!!.....
Cheers
If these pollies actually gave a stuff about road deaths, then they would target the clowns head on and not penalize those that do the right thing.
Also they should spend our taxes on making safer roads for us to drive on!!.....
Cheers
donn ·
Why do we need safer roads to drive on, while I agree that good roads are nice to have, if you are going to drive across a padock then you drive to suit the condition of the padock, ie drive to suit the condition of the road your on, the road doesn't cause the problem it's the way we drive on the particular road.
GeorgeL ·
As an observer in the US I am just astounded by this example of governmental meddling. Here in California there is no such thing as going to an engineer to have a suspension modification (or anything else) approved and there's no carnage occurring on our highways due to suspension modifications.
OTOH, Cali is draconian about engine and exhaust mods (as in, "can't do any at all") unless your vehicle is '74 or older. Even then you are just exempt from inspection, not from maintaining the stock configuration.
"It's not a good idea, it's the law..."
OTOH, Cali is draconian about engine and exhaust mods (as in, "can't do any at all") unless your vehicle is '74 or older. Even then you are just exempt from inspection, not from maintaining the stock configuration.
"It's not a good idea, it's the law..."
hellbugged ·
to an extent.........you can drive carefully all day, but only a divided road will save you when the person driving in the other direction is asleep.........donn wrote:Why do we need safer roads to drive on, while I agree that good roads are nice to have, if you are going to drive across a padock then you drive to suit the condition of the padock, ie drive to suit the condition of the road your on, the road doesn't cause the problem it's the way we drive on the particular road.
Flintstones ·
if your bush bashing in a 4wd then your right, but if you're in your own paddock then you don't have to comply with any law...donn wrote:Why do we need safer roads to drive on, while I agree that good roads are nice to have, if you are going to drive across a padock then you drive to suit the condition of the padock, ie drive to suit the condition of the road your on, the road doesn't cause the problem it's the way we drive on the particular road.
My point was that if the pollies actually gave a stuff about making things safer, then they would make things right for the public and fix them.....instead of coming up with ridiculous laws that don't benefit anyone..
bajachris88 ·
what does it take to overthrow a government these days?
old bugger ·
you can chuck em out but what will they be replaced with? the other mob arent much better
1303Steve ·
Hi
I received a letter from Barry O'Farrel today responding to my email.
I also got this back from my local member.
"Dear Steve,
Thank you for your email. Following concerns expressed by many people in the community about the nature & extent of the proposed changes the Minister has decided to delay their introduction pending further investigation and community consultation. I will refer your concerns to the Minister and provide you with a copy of his response when received.
Regards,
Kevin Greene
MEMBER FOR OATLEY
8 Ormonde Pde
Hurstville NSW 2220
Tel: 9580 9349 Fax: 9580 9103"
I received a letter from Barry O'Farrel today responding to my email.
I also got this back from my local member.
"Dear Steve,
Thank you for your email. Following concerns expressed by many people in the community about the nature & extent of the proposed changes the Minister has decided to delay their introduction pending further investigation and community consultation. I will refer your concerns to the Minister and provide you with a copy of his response when received.
Regards,
Kevin Greene
MEMBER FOR OATLEY
8 Ormonde Pde
Hurstville NSW 2220
Tel: 9580 9349 Fax: 9580 9103"
Mick058 ·
i also go this....
Dear Sir
The minister recently met with representatives from the 4WD community and the after-market motor industry and agreed to delay the start of the new vehicle modification rules and carry out further consultation with stakeholders.
The NSW Centre for Road Safety has set up a working group of industry and community representatives to come up with the best way of ensuring vehicle modifications are as safe as possible – without unreasonably impacting people such as yourself.
Your comments were passed on to the working group but if you wish to provide further feedback for consideration, please email it to: office@daley.minister.nsw.gov.au
Best wishes,
Dan Leavy
Principal Policy Manager, Light Vehicles
Centre for Road Safety
Dear Sir
The minister recently met with representatives from the 4WD community and the after-market motor industry and agreed to delay the start of the new vehicle modification rules and carry out further consultation with stakeholders.
The NSW Centre for Road Safety has set up a working group of industry and community representatives to come up with the best way of ensuring vehicle modifications are as safe as possible – without unreasonably impacting people such as yourself.
Your comments were passed on to the working group but if you wish to provide further feedback for consideration, please email it to: office@daley.minister.nsw.gov.au
Best wishes,
Dan Leavy
Principal Policy Manager, Light Vehicles
Centre for Road Safety
DaveCarter ·
OK so my car is a fair way before this. I don't understand how they think this is going to stop suspension related accidents. To get an engineers certificate as the system is the car has to be road worthy. The people getting around with chopped springs and the like aren't getting engineers certificates as it is so how is this going to change under the new rules? They are punishing the people who have lowered or raised their car the right way.
hellbugged ·
just in case anyone is still interested in reality rather than petty bullshit and slingng sausages up the hall way
sign up to contribute to rectifying a real issue.....
http://www.nothoons.com.au/
sign up to contribute to rectifying a real issue.....
http://www.nothoons.com.au/
1303Steve ·
Hi
No wonder they fall asleep at parliament. I just posted a response on youtube asking for more emphasis on lowered cars.
Steve
No wonder they fall asleep at parliament. I just posted a response on youtube asking for more emphasis on lowered cars.
Steve
Wannavee ·
I reckon its hilarious that these idiots in Government always sign their name with 'Honourable'!
Maybe they should prefix their names with 'I'm a lying beauracratic tool' 😬
Maybe they should prefix their names with 'I'm a lying beauracratic tool' 😬
General_Failure ·
So does this mean that I have to ask them about the bays self initiated 34 year gradual lowering project? Heh VW sag 🙂
zoofish ·
Tomorrow we get to vote these meddling fools into the world of unemployment!
Gringo_54_oval ·
BYE BYE
ADIOS
TCHAU
SO LONG!!!!!
👍😀
Ok lets see what happens now
i want nice roads to drive my slammed oval on,
and leave me alone.
ADIOS
TCHAU
SO LONG!!!!!
👍😀
Ok lets see what happens now
i want nice roads to drive my slammed oval on,
and leave me alone.
Skremn01 ·
hmm.. there are already legal lowering limits..
zjm ·
100mm is the law and you do this for a livingpolak wrote:that is frikken crap, my car is 78mm off the ground on the nose and i still have heaps of suspension travel.... this is just a straight out revenue raiser if u ask me.... my car is how it should have come out from factory any car that is higher has clearly been raised and should face the scrutineering hahaha 🤓😁