What does it mean if my gearstick moves back and forth while in gear when i accelerate and then back off. Like if i give it too it it will pull backwards and then when i ease off it moves forwards again.
Help is appreciated
Craig Torrens ·
your front gearbox mount is stuffed (at the nosecone of the gearbox).
71-BEETLE-SEDAN ·
How hard is ti to replace?
Craig Torrens ·
depends on how handy you are ?
Its not hard, but it is a bit of a PITA.
Bizarre ·
Depends on what mount you have at the font as well
I replaced mine and 2 months later it was moving again
That is why i put a Berg style semi ridgid gear box mount in
71-BEETLE-SEDAN ·
How can i tel what mount ive got.
I would call myself pretty handy, pulled a 64 engine with one jack and a mechancis trolley, with a few bits and pieces.
Bizarre ·
That is my late style
That is the "new" mount and it is rubbish
colonel mustard ·
Craig Torrens wrote:your front gearbox mount is stuffed (at the nosecone of the gearbox).
oh yeah! I've got that issue.... getting quite nasty too.....
Lucky clutch replacement time is getting closer... all mounts at once 🙂
71-BEETLE-SEDAN ·
Okay, so i will get under my car tomoro and check it out. Dont really wanna have it off the road at all. What damage am i doing to the car by still driving it
LUFTMEISTER ·
get some thick long cable ties and tie the mount together till you are able to fix it (sooner rather than later) temp fix only. and do not take off quickly from a standing start.
71-BEETLE-SEDAN ·
Ive got some cable ties that they use for air con ducts, will they be okay. And can do that. Would it be okay if didnt fix it for like 7 weeks
LUFTMEISTER ·
do not know how long the temp fix will hold. monitor daily. try to repair ASAP.
71-BEETLE-SEDAN ·
Will do, its gettting a service soon so might get it done then
shaihulud ·
You will almost certainly have to move the entire engine and gearbox assembly to replace that mounting.
It's a bugger of a job.
The first mechanic who crawled under a Kubbelwagen in the mud and slush of a battlefield, to replace that engine mount must have done the most almighty dummy spit about that.
It's one of those things that should have been fixed decades before the Type 3 version.
71-BEETLE-SEDAN ·
OKay, well is there a stronger mount to get or is there only one type of mount for 71s
ian.mezz ·
71-BEETLE-SEDAN wrote:OKay, well is there a stronger mount to get or is there only one type of mount for 71s
A stock one is fine you have to think, its only 38 years old is was going to break sooner or later🤪😂🤪
71-BEETLE-SEDAN ·
Yeah good point. I was thinking about getting a kafer bar, 5 bar one, would it be sensible to mount this at the same time. Also should i do the onther mounts as well?
djnee ·
I had the same problem when i had my Beetle in the 90's.
ran it for ages with the mount gone. if i remember right we managed to get the new mount in without taking the motor out
71-BEETLE-SEDAN ·
I wa planing on taking the motor out and then moving the trans back a bit so thats good to hear
Bizarre ·
ian.mezz wrote:
71-BEETLE-SEDAN wrote:OKay, well is there a stronger mount to get or is there only one type of mount for 71s
A stock one is fine you have to think, its only 38 years old is was going to break sooner or later🤪😂🤪
That is my whole point
I dont believe you can get original quality new ones.
The one in my pic is only a month or so old and it is shot
I jst said - stuff it and went the brace method
71-BEETLE-SEDAN ·
Im getting under the car no to put new exhaust on, im keen so ill check it out and if i can squeeze a cmaera under with me ill get some pics
71-BEETLE-SEDAN ·
Would a stuffed front mount also cause the car to shake sometimes, like on a flat road it feels like a wheel is loose or something, but they are all tight?
LUFTMEISTER ·
check your rear spline nuts. if there is a rusty dust around drum center, means they are moving in & out. need to retighten to required torque.
71-BEETLE-SEDAN ·
Are they the ones holding the drums on?
68AutoBug ·
71-BEETLE-SEDAN wrote:OKay, well is there a stronger mount to get or is there only one type of mount for 71s
Hi
are We talking Engine/gearbox mounts????
most are rubbish... I had two that lasted 2 years or about 200 kms... lol
I may buy some US made mounts next time..
or You can always buy the red urethane ones...
which should last... for ages..
I've been working on a way to change engine mounts with out taking the engine out...
LEE
71-BEETLE-SEDAN ·
Craig Torrens wrote:your front gearbox mount is stuffed (at the nosecone of the gearbox).
Its the front one, i was just wondering if i should replace it with a stronger one or if it can only be replaced by the excat same part
HappyDaze ·
Years (about 48) ago I made a temporary front mount fix by drilling a 10mm hole right through, and fitted a M10 bolt and Nylock nut to hold the mount together. When the nut was tightened - slightly - it looked like a Vanilla Slice being squeezed, but it worked! Like a lot of 'temporary fixes' it stayed that way for quite a while. The gear lever didn't move, the only down side was a bit more noise was transmitted into the car.
Those red mounts are rubbish. They crumbled very quickly in my 'blackish' '59 Beetle, and I have now solid-mounted the engine.
Cheers, Greg
Joel ·
HappyDaze wrote:Those red mounts are rubbish. They crumbled very quickly in my 'blackish' '59 Beetle, and I have now solid-mounted the engine.
Cheers, Greg
precisely why i wont use them anymore either
i hate to think what the currrent day empi ones are like
i had bugpack ones about 12 years ago in my first bug and they didnt last that long and were certainly no better than OEM rubber ones
71-BEETLE-SEDAN ·
So i need a new one of these? is this the front gearbow mount?
ian.mezz ·
yes if the old one is broken.
71-BEETLE-SEDAN ·
OKay, so what should i be cable tying?
Dero ·
should this not be in tech?...
iv just noticed lately a load of tech stuff in general chit chat...
not fussed either way really.
68AutoBug ·
front engine mounts should be in OK condition as they don't really move about etc...
I suppose it depends on the milage of the car..
My Auto ones are perfect and i have original spares too... lol
I thought the eurethane red ones would be OK...
South American ones probably aren't much good either..
many of the rubber parts from down there are crap..
even VW do brazil or mexico...
Some one should be making them in the USA..
check CIP1 etc...
or check Wolfsburg automotive in Victoria..
they are having a lot of rubber parts made in Australia..
expensive... but worth it in this case...
same as gearbox/engine mounts....
You don't really want to be replacing them all the time...
LEE
71-BEETLE-SEDAN ·
I was under there the other day and took this pic, now the rubber bit in the middle is soft and rubbery, not dry and nnot hard, i couldnt see any areas of stress either, here is a pic,
vlad01 ·
any one can comment on the rhino trans mounts? the yellow ones.
Peter Leonard ·
Yellow rhino mounts LOOK good, but I have yet to destruction test mine. will let you know how they go. Unfortunately I have the red urethane mount at the front, so nfi how that's going to hold up.
Boozo ·
Bizarre wrote:
That is my late style
That is the "new" mount and it is rubbish
I like the look of this, My box actually snapped across the 2 bolts on the nose cone years ago. So i made a horseshoe like that, but then solid mounted it to the original location......need to make it more quiet for my old age and sanity :P
68AutoBug ·
I believe the main problem is that when rubber bushes are new etc they can twist and move without virtually any wear... until 50 years later....
Nolathane and similar Bushes are a dense Polyurethane type bushing that CANNOT twist etc...
So the torsion bar - sway bar - and any other metal piece mounted on or in or around the NOLATHANE Bushing ----
they will just TURN inside the Nolathane bushing until it wears badly...
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There is NO Comparison between RUBBER that can be twisted and compressed etc on shafts and torsion bars etc. as OEM
or NOLATHANE bushes which are a hard type of Polyurethane ...
These can not be twisted or compressed like rubber....