When i used to run my 68 1500 street car i had 140.2 rwhp out of a 2007
48idas
berg heads
fk89
9.5.1
carrlio rods
coletrickle ·
My now departed 1585 was a ripper i miss it😢according to the slide rule it had 112hp@wheels.cw crank,arp bolts on stock rods,no more than 7.5:1 comp,scat c95 cam,37.5x33mm miss matched heads d port heads,45mm dlra's w/38mm vents.I'm going to be helping frosty build an evo 2 version stroked out to 1599cc😂.
BiX ·
1999.9cc type1. Wedge ports, engle 120 with 1.25:1 ratio rockers.10.5: CR, 48 ida's plus lots of other little bits and pieces.....
just over 130 hp@wheels. Still has more room in it with better ingition (still points and 009) and a dyno tune.But also want to make it more driveable to.
I am sure craig will chime in soon.....
dragvw ·
What about turbo👍
350+Hp from 1914 can be done.
Hermann
bajachris88 ·
dragvw wrote:What about turbo👍
350+Hp from 1914 can be done.
Hermann
haha, thats awesome!
How long did that motor last?
cnfabo ·
nice lttle ripper motors u boys got there.... or had, sorry col...
vw54 ·
it also depends on which day of the week and which dyno the car has been tested on
fish26 ·
vw54 wrote:it also depends on which day of the week and which dyno the car has been tested on
you're right, different dynos will give different results, if all are set up right, should only be 2 - 6%, whats the day of the week got to do with it though, is every Sunday 22* 1016mbar and every Tuesday 16* 998mbar?
We roughly get to see what people are running out of their mouse motors regardless of what dyno was used, because its not a contest just info.
fish26 ·
dragvw wrote:What about turbo👍
350+Hp from 1914 can be done.
Hermann
Welcome to the forum Hermann, that a healthy 1914 mate, seems you are still playing around with turbos, why don't you tell us more about your other engines eg, 2013 T4 turbo. we can just call it 2L.
coletrickle ·
No dyno sponsor so i use SIR ISAAC NEWTONS DYNO.Can't complain about blowing it up missed a shift on the street(used to shift around 8;8500)so what it went to is your guess then next time at the drags broke a lifter!Pulled the pushrods out of cylinder 2 and drove it for another couple of weeks eaislly the fastest 3cyl 1200 around🤪
modulus ·
-- Most amount of HP out of 2L or less
Scaling the Formula One engines (2.4 litres - 582 kW) back to 2 litres would give about 485 kW, but that doesn't really answer your question as there are severe restrictions such as
- no more than 4 valves per cylinder
- no forced induction
- no "exotic" materials allowed
- limited to only 18000 RPM
Taking these restrictions away, it should be possible to make (forced induction) 1000 kW out of a "2 litre or less" for a short period. You may need to speak to your bank manager.
hth
Boostn ·
coletrickle wrote:SIR ISAAC NEWTONS DYNO.
Can't argue with a time card !!
so much effort for that time card.
dragvw ·
Hi.
It has been so long ago that I put togeather my 2L type 4 turbo engine, that I can hardly remember all the specs.
It uses standard type4 casing, crank is also standard, just lightened, polished and balanced. rods is also standard type4, lightened, polished and balanced. Pistons is KS 95mm (1mm oversize) with vaive pockets for the exhaust valves, in bored out type4 cylinders. The cam is a reground type4 cam with about 290 deg. advertised duration and .5" lift at the valves (not a turbo grind) on 108 lobe centres. I use type 4 solid lifters and type4 aluminium pushrods. Rockers is out of a late model with hydraulic lifters and big adjusters (they measured out to have the most lift). I run 44 mm jintake valves out of a nissan L28 sngine and 38mm exhaust valves from a nissan ute (exhaust valves had to be shortened). It is running chev v8 double velve springs on vw retainers and nissan valve locks. The heads have been flowed by myself and is not welded. I use a locked out vw 2.1 wasser boxer ignition system and draw through turbo system with a 750 vac Holley. I built most of it myself an have run it with up to 28psi (2 bar) boost without any problems making 325 Kw.
This is a drag engine only, so I dont know how long it will last on the road. I have only seen type one turbo engines of 1914 making more than 350Hp and do not own one myself.
Regards Hermann.
dangerous ·
Wally's 1915 prouced around ???hp.
10.16 and 139mph in 1570lb car.
Pete's N/A 94x72.5? engine made as much power as his current 2332cc,(same heads actually),
and ran 11.27?@116.8mph in 1500lb car
Michael Nash's N/A 1835 ran 11.9?@112mph in 1450lb car.
matberry ·
Come on Dave, quit playing games and fill in the blanks.
Aaron's 20B Kombi puts out over 700 at the wheels doesn't it? And that's less than 2L.
Smiley
nasty ·
Good memory Dave!
The 1835's best was 11.91 @ 110.87, 19/05/01.
Good air - 339', tune was K84 main pill, .036" secondary bypass, .042 K40 high speed with 43mm throttle bodies and .024" nozzles.
Launched @ 6000 off the 2 step, shift at 6600 and 7200 through the traps.
Weight at that time was around 1420-1450.
Best at 1/2 track was 7.50 @ 89.68
LIFE IN THE LOW LANE ·
79.3hp from 1990cc Type 4. 365 000k's, 40 mm Dell's, hydraulic cam, ported heads, 1800 valves, custom exhaust and light flywheel. Everything else stock including the compression of 7.4:1.
pete wood ·
how about this one...
Johannes Persson's best 1/4 mile run at BugRun 2008. Stock crank, rods and 40x35mm vales in stock (edit: sort off) VW cast heads. Dynoed 195hp at 7700 rpm. IDA carbs.
dangerous ·
LIFE IN THE LOW LANE wrote:365 000k's,
good one brennden.
"i rebuilt it five times but its got 365k on the speedo".
My white beetle has more miles on it than that.
"and I have never split the case"
Just like the old axe.
Its had five handles and five heads,
but it is still the same axe.
😂
Stanley ·
[quote
Just like the old axe.
Its had five handles and five heads,
but it is still the same axe.
😂 [/quote].........nice
IMO....HP is a pissing contest.
Its worth is in tuning but the real test is on the track
My 1600 has bugger all HP but bugger all weight, but can hold it's head up at the track so I really don't care how much HP it has.
fish26 ·
Stanley wrote:[quote
Just like the old axe.
Its had five handles and five heads,
but it is still the same axe.
😂
.........nice
IMO....HP is a pissing contest.
Its worth is in tuning but the real test is on the track
My 1600 has bugger all HP but bugger all weight, but can hold it's head up at the track so I really don't care how much HP it has. [/quote]
The thread was started to see how much HP is produced with varieties of engine combinations under 2L, maybe suss out some out of the box thinking (Johannes @ JPM, Cal Look Forums) and learn a few things, cause there's plenty of experience lurking around the aussie forums.
I just hope people don't get confused between engine HP and size of their appendage.😊
BeetleJuice ·
The daddy of them all has to be the most powerfull F1 engine, The BMW 1500cc M12/13/1 engines from 1983-1987 era.
The blocks were sourced 2nd hand and usually had 100,000 KM on them. BMW's thinking was that the structure had settled by then.
Apparently, blocks were to be seen left out in the weather to further stabilise them. In the later years of this engine, BMW discoverd a process which was performed on the new blocks.
It is also believed that German engineers urinated on the blocks as well!
Sword makers in the middle ages would quench their swords in urine to make them stronger.
Urine has high levels of ammonia which contains nitrogen....Nitriding!🤪
Capacity: 1499cc
Bore x Stroke: 89.2 x 60mm
Max Revs: 11,500rpm
Power;
Pretty amazing for a era with mechanical injection & antiquated electronics!😎
There were also reports that BMW did reach 1,500hp in qualifying trim in '85 & '86!
fish26 ·
BeetleJuice wrote:The daddy of them all has to be the most powerfull F1 engine, The BMW 1500cc M12/13/1 engines from 1983-1987 era.
The blocks were sourced 2nd hand and usually had 100,000 KM on them. BMW's thinking was that the structure had settled by then.
Apparently, blocks were to be seen left out in the weather to further stabilise them. In the later years of this engine, BMW discoverd a process which was performed on the new blocks.
It is also believed that German engineers urinated on the blocks as well!
Sword makers in the middle ages would quench their swords in urine to make them stronger.
Urine has high levels of ammonia which contains nitrogen....Nitriding!🤪
Capacity: 1499cc
Bore x Stroke: 89.2 x 60mm
Max Revs: 11,500rpm
Power;
Pretty amazing for a era with mechanical injection & antiquated electronics!😎
There were also reports that BMW did reach 1,500hp in qualifying trim in '85 & '86!
Thanks for the interesting info Craig, however irrelevant it may be.
LIFE IN THE LOW LANE ·
dangerous wrote:
LIFE IN THE LOW LANE wrote:365 000k's,
good one brennden.
"i rebuilt it five times but its got 365k on the speedo".
My white beetle has more miles on it than that.
"and I have never split the case"
Just like the old axe.
Its had five handles and five heads,
but it is still the same axe.
😂
365 000k's on that engine when i dropped a valve. case hasn't been split since it was built. All I did was repair the damaged head and replace exhaust valves, one damaged piston and rings.
So in my books it is STILL the same engine as all i have done was repair the damage. If it had a total rebuild then it would be a new engine so obviously that isn't the case.....
hellbugged ·
Gumley runs 500Hp at the wheels from his supercharged kombi motor........standard crank and bore, standard VW head castings (although they get changed a tiny ltille bit 😎).......
Craig Torrens ·
Stanley wrote:[quote
Just like the old axe.
Its had five handles and five heads,
but it is still the same axe.
😂
.........nice
IMO....HP is a pissing contest.
Its worth is in tuning but the real test is on the track
My 1600 has bugger all HP but bugger all weight, but can hold it's head up at the track so I really don't care how much HP it has. [/quote]
So in your case your time down the quarter is YOUR pissing contest 😂.......whether you're chasing a time or a HP figure, its the challenge of seeing how you can do it better in my books.😎
dangerous ·
BeetleJuice wrote:It is also believed that German engineers urinated on the blocks as well!
Sword makers in the middle ages would quench their swords in urine to make them stronger.
Urine has high levels of ammonia which contains nitrogen....Nitriding!🤪
Better on the blocks, than in that Sour Kraut.
Who invented "pissing in the cabbage and call it food"??!!😂
That stuff stinks.
A scene at the McDonalds in Berlin:
Helmut asks his supervisor:
"We're running low on Sour Kraut for the Um-lout Burgers Sir".
Helmut's supevisor, Shvatzy says:
"Quick Helmut, piss on that cabbage and leave it out in the sun!"
dangerous ·
Note how I have combined humour and the topic of pissing.
OH!, hang on, it was all about Volksys wasn't it.
Oh well.
Since we shifted across to boosted engines,
my 1775cc blower engine made 275hp with 7.25 comp and 28psi.
It ran as quick as 10.65 @126.8mph and weighed nearly 800kgs.(1750lbs)
dangerous ·
LIFE IN THE LOW LANE wrote:
dangerous wrote:
LIFE IN THE LOW LANE wrote:365 000k's,
good one brennden.
"i rebuilt it five times but its got 365k on the speedo".
My white beetle has more miles on it than that.
"and I have never split the case"
Just like the old axe.
Its had five handles and five heads,
but it is still the same axe.
😂
365 000k's on that engine when i dropped a valve. case hasn't been split since it was built. All I did was repair the damaged head and replace exhaust valves, one damaged piston and rings.
So in my books it is STILL the same engine as all i have done was repair the damage. If it had a total rebuild then it would be a new engine so obviously that isn't the case.....
I thought it had a non stock cam?
LIFE IN THE LOW LANE ·
yeah hydraulic cam about a 30/70 has been in there since the day it was built.
dangerous ·
LIFE IN THE LOW LANE wrote:yeah hydraulic cam about a 30/70 has been in there since the day it was built.
So are you saying,
it has done 365000 kays on that cam since it has been ground,
three out of the four rods and pistons,
and those heads since they were ported?😂
Yeah, my pauter engine has done more kays than that,
since the dizzy drive is from 1960 1200cc.😂
dangerous ·
fish26 wrote:What's the most amount of HP you have got out of a VW engine thats 2L or smaller and the COMBINATION used? C'mon fellas tell us your secrets.
fish26 wrote:What's the most amount of HP you have got out of a VW engine thats 2L or smaller and the COMBINATION used? C'mon fellas tell us your secrets.
pair 36IDF w/28mm vents, match ported manifolds
working on a 1678cc old school single port
fish26 ·
Sick68VW wrote:When i used to run my 68 1500 street car i had 140.2 rwhp out of a 2007
48idas
berg heads
fk89
9.5.1
carrlio rods
Hey sicko, hows your other engine coming?
typethreeking ·
365000km since the car came out of the factory maybe, if you could get that many k's out of a volkys motor you would probably be the only person on earth, 165000km is more like it...
Gracey ·
[/quote]
pair 36IDF w/28mm vents, match ported manifolds
working on a 1678cc old school single port [/quote]
A pair of dual throat webers on a single port?
Are you sure?
I mean in theory it's possible but I've never seen that before!
westi ·
duno what my old shit did.but when i biuld the apprentices engine i will let you know.
1916 with about 160atw is the goal.but after seeing the might mouse i am thinking of trying to crack the 200 mark,.i wouldn't mind giving it a crack anyway.
so far i got crank ,block.maybe a cam or two laying around with low k's on them,you could say they were only driven on sunday's.lol.
gota order some heads ,carbies,rod's,who know's maybe a roller cam for the young padawon,depends on his cash flow.oh and a car to put it in.
n/a all the way.
fish26 ·
pair 36IDF w/28mm vents, match ported manifolds
working on a 1678cc old school single port [/quote]
A pair of dual throat webers on a single port?
Are you sure?
I mean in theory it's possible but I've never seen that before! [/quote]
no, the twin 36s were on the 1641 double penetration 311 headjob,
currently working on 1678 with sp100 semi-hemi single port also match ported will run baby dells or turbo w/2 1/2" SU draw through and locked Mag, gb310,
empi 88mm Birals, Pauter crank wedgemate to 180mm 10lb flywheel, stock rods, all balanced.
hoping 110hp n/a, 150hp turbo
Yogie ·
typethreeking wrote:365000km since the car came out of the factory maybe, if you could get that many k's out of a volkys motor you would probably be the only person on earth, 165000km is more like it...
We built a new 1600c engine back in 93 for our beetle and it has done 185,000 since then and is going great still. At the 155k mark, we restored the car but the engine only had the heads tidied up a bit and that was it.
Yogie
typethreeking ·
hey yogie, i sure if the car is driven steady it would last plenty long enough, but i know how brennden drives his kombi, nothing under 6000rpm most times he drives it or till the lifters pump up and thats no joke, he canes the crap out of it all the time so to last as long as it has is pretty good.
13bwagon ·
hellbugged wrote:Gumley runs 500Hp at the wheels from his supercharged kombi motor........standard crank and bore, standard VW head castings (although they get changed a tiny ltille bit 😎).......
yeah gumley is da man
dangerous wrote:
LIFE IN THE LOW LANE wrote:yeah hydraulic cam about a 30/70 has been in there since the day it was built.
So are you saying,
it has done 365000 kays on that cam since it has been ground,
three out of the four rods and pistons,
and those heads since they were ported?😂
Yeah, my pauter engine has done more kays than that,
since the dizzy drive is from 1960 1200cc.😂
lol hey my key ring is from a dub that had 400000
so i win 😉
matberry ·
typethreeking wrote:365000km since the car came out of the factory maybe, if you could get that many k's out of a volkys motor you would probably be the only person on earth, 165000km is more like it...
My WBXR has 361 000km, does that count??
westi ·
my golf has done 260000+.at it still coping every day of it's life,but i think we may be getting of the topic alittle,who care's how long it last's,as long as it's quick.reliabilty comes later.you don't get faster without pushing the envelope.
LIFE IN THE LOW LANE ·
dangerous wrote:
LIFE IN THE LOW LANE wrote:yeah hydraulic cam about a 30/70 has been in there since the day it was built.
So are you saying,
it has done 365000 kays on that cam since it has been ground,
three out of the four rods and pistons,
and those heads since they were ported?😂
Yeah, my pauter engine has done more kays than that,
since the dizzy drive is from 1960 1200cc.😂
365 000k's on that cam since it was ground. All the rods are the rods that were put in it when it was rebuilt and are the original rods from that engine in the car. 3 of the 4 pistons are the pistons that were put in it when it was rebuilt waaaay back in about 1995. The heads are the same heads ported that were put on the engine when it was built. One of the heads is off the original motor out of my bus and one is an AMC to replace the original one that was destroyed when it dropped a valve at 100km'hr with 1600 gearing.
The original engine out of my bus when it finally died was all original. VW rings, pistons, valves etc etc. All the rods,crank, case and one of the heads are all the original engine. Cam was a new billet grind when the engine was first built.
When i was detailing I was averaging 1000-1200km's a week. Oil changes were about every 4-5 weeks.
And yes as Troy said it copped a fair hiding most of it's life whilst lugging around all my detailing gear hence why I am a fan of the type 4 engine.....
Craig Torrens ·
my 68 beetle has the original (untouched) 1500 in it with a full documented service history....its 174,000 miles 😎
......sorry back to the topic 😁
fish26 ·
LIFE IN THE LOW LANE wrote:
dangerous wrote:
LIFE IN THE LOW LANE wrote:yeah hydraulic cam about a 30/70 has been in there since the day it was built.
So are you saying,
it has done 365000 kays on that cam since it has been ground,
three out of the four rods and pistons,
and those heads since they were ported?😂
Yeah, my pauter engine has done more kays than that,
since the dizzy drive is from 1960 1200cc.😂
365 000k's on that cam since it was ground. All the rods are the rods that were put in it when it was rebuilt and are the original rods from that engine in the car. 3 of the 4 pistons are the pistons that were put in it when it was rebuilt waaaay back in about 1995. The heads are the same heads ported that were put on the engine when it was built. One of the heads is off the original motor out of my bus and one is an AMC to replace the original one that was destroyed when it dropped a valve at 100km'hr with 1600 gearing.
The original engine out of my bus when it finally died was all original. VW rings, pistons, valves etc etc. All the rods,crank, case and one of the heads are all the original engine. Cam was a new billet grind when the engine was first built.
When i was detailing I was averaging 1000-1200km's a week. Oil changes were about every 4-5 weeks.
And yes as Troy said it copped a fair hiding most of it's life whilst lugging around all my detailing gear hence why I am a fan of the type 4 engine.....