yeh i didn't expect it to be easy by any means just thought it was an idea thanks for quick replys and the link steve. i've been looking at Ian Swinkels build and the amazing work he has doen in terms of his suspention set up. came across the eyeball engineering set uphttp://www.eyeball-engineering.net/a-arm.html. it is ver $$ but for interest sake has anyone used this set up or know someone who has.