when doing the additions to my rear cage on the baja i thought it might look good to pt some LED lights in the cage and keep the guards looking smooth.
can anyone tell me whether this is legal??
my main worry is the width between. i know there is a minimum with the front lights and there must be one for rear as well so does anyone know this minimum distance??
cheers
Luke
68AutoBug ·
Yes You would need to check the regulations...
as blinkers and tail lamps need to be out towards the outside edge of cars....
they cannot be in towards the centre of the car....
Many beetles are not really legal with the blinkers added to bumpers are too far inwards towards the centre...
LEE
baja burley ·
I thought this much🙁
do you know where i can look for all the rules and regulations?
grumble ·
The lights should be stamped to an australian standard,the RTA techbical site should have the requirements available,if necessary the regulations are available at an inspection station.
68AutoBug ·
grumble wrote:The lights should be stamped to an australian standard,the RTA technical site should have the requirements available,if necessary the regulations are available at an inspection station.
All the non genuine tail lamps for beetles won't have an aust standard number... most have no numbers at all where as the original Hella tail lamps have numbers..
the all clear tail lamps are NOT legal unless You have red reflectors under them or on the bumpers.
Note many new cars now have the reflectors down low away from the tail lamps..
The blinkers inside the headlamps of Early model beetles aren't legal and the Harley type blinkers on the bumper supports are borderline also...
depending on where they are located..
but normally no one takes any notice..
Lee
volumex ·
I wonder how the law sees the elephant ear indicators as replacements for semaphores???
68AutoBug ·
volumex wrote:I wonder how the law sees the elephant ear indicators as replacements for semaphores???
they are OK if You still have front and rear blinkers...
LEE
colonel mustard ·
volumex wrote:I wonder how the law sees the elephant ear indicators as replacements for semaphores???
as in.... put elephant tail lights on a pre 68 car?? You would have to be going for areo gaurds or something for that to be appealing - but it is your car.... that just sounds awful to me..
baja burley ·
i got very lost in the RTA site 🙁 im obviously not tech friendly.... can someone who knows how to use it send me a link or something??
i shall keep looking
68AutoBug ·
colonel mustard wrote:
volumex wrote:I wonder how the law sees the elephant ear indicators as replacements for semaphores???
as in.... put elephant tail lights on a pre 68 car?? You would have to be going for areo guards or something for that to be appealing - but it is your car.... that just sounds awful to me..
He means those amber blinkers that fit into the trafficator slot
[called semaphores in the US?? where they were never legal]
I have some in My shed somewhere I'll take a pic next time I see one... lol
I've never heard of them being called elephants ears before...
they were an aftermarket accessory made by Hella...
they replaced the complete trafficator arm assembly...
LEE
Joel ·
colonel mustard wrote:
volumex wrote:I wonder how the law sees the elephant ear indicators as replacements for semaphores???
as in.... put elephant tail lights on a pre 68 car?? You would have to be going for areo gaurds or something for that to be appealing - but it is your car.... that just sounds awful to me..
elephants ears not elephants feet,
just a fixed lense that replaces semaphores
baja burley ·
so no one has stumbled upon a minimum distance between??
68AutoBug ·
I don't believe there can be a minimum distance...
as it depends on the width of the car...
and there doesn't seem to be a minimum height either..
apart from headlamps...
early morris minor headlamps are illegal [low lights] as the headlamps are too low to the ground..
but the series one Land Rovers were legal even though their headlamps were close together in the grill...
unless the laws changed....
Now, what about cars with three headlamps..???
early Rovers.. and US cars..??
LEE
68AutoBug ·
baja burley wrote:when doing the additions to my rear cage on the baja i thought it might look good to pt some LED lights in the cage and keep the guards looking smooth.
can anyone tell me whether this is legal??
my main worry is the width between. i know there is a minimum with the front lights and there must be one for rear as well so does anyone know this minimum distance??
cheers
Luke
You could always use chromed brackets going from the roll cage to the tail lamps..
LEE
Flintstones ·
There is a minimum distance between blinkers. From memory I think it is 600mm.
This applies to both front and rear.
In relation to blinkers in the headlight bucket, it is legal to do, so long as the whole headlight doesn't blink.
Cheers
D
68AutoBug ·
Flintstones wrote:In relation to blinkers in the headlight bucket, it is legal to do, so long as the whole headlight doesn't blink.
Cheers
D
Not according to the Mechanic who passes My Cars for rego each year...
when the headlamp is on.. [at night]
the orange bulb cannot be noticed...
but then there are quite a few of them on the road...
all registered..??
LEE
68AutoBug ·
also make sure Yout rear lights do face rearwards so drivers behind You can See You easily...
and you do need red reflectors also vertical..??
I have seen some of the new VW trikes with LEDs used...
there are a lot of things that You can do with them...
and they are getting brighter and lower in price...
[in China]
LEE
baja burley ·
something like this. except flat not angled upwards like his. and with blinkers of course
newghia ·
Baja,
Check with the local rego people in your state, seems to be some conflicting information here,
most of it from NSW based people........ the rego laws are quite different in most states & a lot depends upon what was acceptable at the time of car being first registered,
hence morris & land rovers still being legal as this was how they were built,
ADR's are specific to time / date of build.....
something that is accepted now may appear to be illegal in 10 - 20 years time when in fact it is not !
Flintstones ·
68AutoBug wrote:
Flintstones wrote:In relation to blinkers in the headlight bucket, it is legal to do, so long as the whole headlight doesn't blink.
Cheers
D
Not according to the Mechanic who passes My Cars for rego each year...
when the headlamp is on.. [at night]
the orange bulb cannot be noticed...
but then there are quite a few of them on the road...
all registered..??
LEE
Have you notice the new mini headlights in the current model?
They have a blinker in them, and its OEM from the factory.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter what ANY mechanic says, it comes down to the engineering signatory.
Cheers
68AutoBug ·
My Son has a new Lancer and He says that many people cannot see His front blinkers when He's at an intersection...
as they are in with the headlamps...
but beetles never came out with blinkers in the headlamps...
not even in the USA...
and blinkers on the rear are red colored in the USA...
same as 1957 holdens, in which the stop lamp blinked..
that was only in the deluxe FE holden and may have been an optional extra?? as there wasn't many of those about..
from memory.. lol
Lee
PS: I prefer to be seen... so no one runs into Me,, lol
Flintstones ·
Lee, I think the problem is that your son is driving a lancer LoL😁
I agree that blinkers can be hard to see in the headlight assembly especially at night
It comes down to a cars design and that generally means that the lights are getting smaller in order to give the car its desired look.
We're getting off track, but I hope Luke was able to find the answers he needed in relation to tail lamps and their positioning.
Cheers
D
baja burley ·
so im getting that its something like 600mm?? also assuming that is edge to edge or would it be centre to centre?
djnee ·
68AutoBug wrote:My Son has a new Lancer and He says that many people cannot see His front blinkers when He's at an intersection...
as they are in with the headlamps...
I mean it in jest Lee, but i can't help wondering exactly how he knows this??
Do they catch him up, flag him to stop and then tell him?? lol
😂
shaihulud ·
I can't get my computer to load my copy of the ADRs but from memory the front and rear indicators must be no further than 400mm from the very outside edge of the vehicle, including factory wheel arch flares.
I think that that 400mm also applies to tail lights, stop lights and reflectors.
If the indicator is not mounted above or below the tail light it must be outboard of the tail light/stop light.
If the car is older than the ADRs you don't need to comply with them, but if the car is dated after I think 1973 the the ADRs apply and you need to check with the registration people.
You will probably find that they will have a complete explanation in a hand out.
I have found from experience that the new type white indicators with the coloured bulbs in them are not easy to see in bright glary conditions.
The old style orange indicator can be seen out of the corner of the eye, but the new types sometimes need to looked directly at, to be seen. I don't like them and for that reason I don't trust them.
Whatever you want to do, I recommend the orange old style for greater safety.
alansvw ·
I have a 74 L bug and I was thinking of fitting either smoked coloured rear tail lights/blinkers or clear. Has anyone had any problems with the police with them?
Vw Guy ·
Unfortunately No !!
Unless your car rego has a Blue Slip Mod Report Number found on the bottom right of your rego paper, you may have to get one.
The Question to Bumber Indicators on a bug.
Distance is 125 Cm or 1.25m as the minimum distance, the regulation is based on a width of 80% a standard Lane on the road, anything showing indicators or tail lights modified closer together than this measurement is illegal if modified, VW bugs are factory so they just pass, using the pre 1974 Act l.
RED TAILIGHT FLASHERS: Is a No No, some VW parts have full red lenses to cover some early types of bugs, these are illegal in all States In Australia
CLEAR INDICATORS: Rear Clear Indicators are Illegal in QLD, though NSW and VIC accept them through Blu slip modification reports only, this usually costing around $65
otherwise You must use Amber Lenses and Red Lenses in this case not the globes.
Also Front Indicator Clear lenses are Legal on all cars Pre 1974.
The Torana TAil light used and found on some bugs are Legal if with Blue Slip Mod Report found on the cars rego
The Photo of the white bug below shows an illegal Lens On The Car
jhp1 ·
Nice post VW Guy
Someone who actually has reserarched and has factual information as opposed to what some bloke down the pub told him 😂
As to Semaphores never being legal in the US what on earth do you smoke in your leisure time?
The amoount of misinformation you spread is laughable 😂
68AutoBug ·
djnee wrote:
68AutoBug wrote:My Son has a new Lancer and He says that many people cannot see His front blinkers when He's at an intersection...
as they are in with the headlamps...
I mean it in jest Lee, but i can't help wondering exactly how he knows this??
Do they catch him up, flag him to stop and then tell him?? lol
😂
My Son drives His $39,000 Lancer with the headlamps on all the time... and when at an intersection, the other drivers think He's going straight ahead..
the indicators are on the inside of the headlamps...
NOT the outside as is usual...
plus they aren't very large...
semaphores were never used in the USA - as far as I know...
they had red blinkers back in the 50s.. maybe earlier..
the stop light used to blink...
thats why they still have red blinkers.. at the rear...
and they were used in Australia and the UK etc..
and were called trafficators...
57-58 holdens also had red blinkers... stop light blinked..
I believe they were an accessory back then..
LEE
PS: Legally... lenses should have numbers on them relating to the rules back when they were new..
smoked or red lenses are ILLEGAL...
BLUE DOTS are also ILLEGAL...
headlights that go to the Right when dipped are also illegal..
they usually have letters on the lens
68AutoBug ·
Flintstones wrote:In relation to blinkers in the headlight bucket, it is legal to do, so long as the whole headlight doesn't blink.
Cheers
D
I don't think the blinkers in the headlamps are legal...
as they are NOT original.... and very hard to see with the headlamps on... daytime or night...
LEE
Flintstones ·
68AutoBug wrote:
Flintstones wrote:In relation to blinkers in the headlight bucket, it is legal to do, so long as the whole headlight doesn't blink.
Cheers
D
I don't think the blinkers in the headlamps are legal...
as they are NOT original.... and very hard to see with the headlamps on... daytime or night...
LEE
Lee, see my earlier post in this thread.
Do some research and speak to an engineer before you post,
Don't just say what you think should or shouldn't be allowed as you are just misleading what people can or can't do.
As I said earlier, it's what the engineer passes that counts at the end of the day.......
Cheers
D
68AutoBug ·
Well they won't pass locally....
as You said... its not up to Us..
if they aren't passed... they aren't...
local fellow was a VW trained mechanic ..
so, You can guess what He likes...
Lee
I just noticed this is a rules and regulation thread... apologies..
jhp1 ·
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Please do some research before you post 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
"semaphores were never used in the USA - as far as I know...
they had red blinkers back in the 50s.. maybe earlier..
the stop light used to blink...
thats why they still have red blinkers.. at the rear...
and they were used in Australia and the UK etc..
and were called trafficators..."
I think the key in this quote is "As far as I know"
Obviously you know little of which you speak 🤓
Check this website for some "Factual Information" www.thesamba.com
Semaphores were dropped in the US in May of 55. 🤪 Before that they used SEMAPHORES !
Help me Geebus 🤪
tmerivale ·
to back lee up when walking across the road LEGALLY right near a roundabout where i live i have gone to walk out in front of a car turning as i have not seen their indicator that was on when it was on the inside. i stopped and quickly took a step back onto the foot path again but it was only when they were coming towards me that i had seen their indicator. lees son might not be as stupid as you guys might be thinking, personally i would never buy a car like this as it IS dangerous, but hey if you like it buy it.
jhp1 ·
Thats not the issue here at all mate,
I think the main problem here is that there is so much mis -nformation pedalled by someone who thinks he knows what he's talkng about.
When in fact he knows sweet FA!
in the US they used Semaphores
Heres just a few "Semaphore" references on another US site 😉
The ruling on where and how indicators are mounted is stated in each States Traffic Authorties rules and regulations
If you want an accurate ruling contact them 🙂
I was told by a police officer that indicators should be able to be seen from the side. If this is true than maybe those cars with indicators in headlights would have side indicators. I have been looking around at various cars and this seems top be the case but would love for someone to confirm this.
Birdman ·
baghall wrote:I was told by a police officer that indicators should be able to be seen from the side. If this is true than maybe those cars with indicators in headlights would have side indicators. I have been looking around at various cars and this seems top be the case but would love for someone to confirm this.
Yes this is true and that is why you see markers on cars running rossi headlights with the indicator in the bottom.
If you ditch the guard mounted indicators you need to run small side lights, like steve c has added.
68AutoBug ·
baghall wrote:I was told by a police officer that indicators should be able to be seen from the side. If this is true than maybe those cars with indicators in headlights would have side indicators. I have been looking around at various cars and this seems top be the case but would love for someone to confirm this.
Yes,
that is why late model cars have the small side repeater blinker lamp and now in the mirrors...
cars with wrap around blinkers like late type 3 VWs didn't need the side lamps...
and My local rego mechanic won't pass a beetle with blinkers inside the headlamps...
Rossi type headlamps are hard to see the lamp below it too,
I always thought the bottom light in Rossi headlamsp was the clear parker lamp...
the top of guard blinkers would still need to be used...
I was told recently that I needed new tail lamp lenses as the red tail lamps were too bright.... I said"they were new tail lamp lenses..." He concluded that the bulbs must be too bright.. I have chrome reflectors in the tail lamps..
In particular the VSB14 has a lot of info that Victorian VASS engineers utilise. If you are doing anything, and can work it within the VSB guidelines, you are likely to have your engineer sign it off, as they have a current piece of information they can assess it to.
I only deal with VASS on a weekly basis, so I cant be up to the minute on the dial. In fact I will say I don't know. I just go by the Australian Government Department of Infrastucture and Transport current info.
can any one tell me if it is illegal in qld,to fit snowflakes to a 62 beetle? and also ,are semaphores ,acting on their own, legal in this day n age?(with no other blinkers on the vehicle?) cheers ..stink..😵
matberry ·
The snowflake/semaphore combo is technically only legal in the year model that came out with them, and even then, they are frowned upon by the transport inspectors because of thier antiquated design difficulty to be seen.
Stinkbug ·
thanks matt.
Tratty ·
Can someone tell me what a snowflake is please
matberry ·
Tratty wrote:Can someone tell me what a snowflake is please
I have a question. I've been trying to figure out a good way to make a swinging tailgate thing for spare / jerrycans / whatever for my '75 camper. One of the issues I can see is possible partial blocking of the tail lights. If I were to put a couple of nice big RTA approved taillights on the rack do I need to get that certified? Honestly if I could I'd like to do something like that anyway as I have been considering a second pair on the roof because I don't know what it's like everywhere else but the traffic here goes something like this: nothing TRUCKcar nothing TRUCKTRUCKcar.
The nothings can be up to kilometers long. I'd say the distances between the trucks and cars are to scale. Brown pants time fairly often as a result.
CecilApestle ·
Maybe go and get a blue slip so there are no discrepancies if you are pulled over.
Timothy_N-F ·
Flintstones wrote:
68AutoBug wrote:
Flintstones wrote:In relation to blinkers in the headlight bucket, it is legal to do, so long as the whole headlight doesn't blink.
Cheers
D
Not according to the Mechanic who passes My Cars for rego each year...
when the headlamp is on.. [at night]
the orange bulb cannot be noticed...
but then there are quite a few of them on the road...
all registered..??
LEE
Have you notice the new mini headlights in the current model?
They have a blinker in them, and its OEM from the factory.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter what ANY mechanic says, it comes down to the engineering signatory.
Cheers
Engineering signatory? You have strange laws in NSW, in QLD you only need a roadworthy when the car is being registered, or when it's sold, and Queensland Transport has no idea whether the car is fit or not, as long as you have the correct Safety Certificate (read Roadworthy Certificate) they don't even look at the car. So there is quite a lot of room for dodgy roadworthiers, that said if a cop spots something wrong with your car even if it's all been registered like that, he can pull you over and defect your car.
Timothy_N-F ·
68AutoBug wrote:
djnee wrote:
68AutoBug wrote:My Son has a new Lancer and He says that many people cannot see His front blinkers when He's at an intersection...
as they are in with the headlamps...
I mean it in jest Lee, but i can't help wondering exactly how he knows this??
Do they catch him up, flag him to stop and then tell him?? lol
😂
My Son drives His $39,000 Lancer with the headlamps on all the time... and when at an intersection, the other drivers think He's going straight ahead..
the indicators are on the inside of the headlamps...
NOT the outside as is usual...
plus they aren't very large...
semaphores were never used in the USA - as far as I know...
they had red blinkers back in the 50s.. maybe earlier..
the stop light used to blink...
thats why they still have red blinkers.. at the rear...
and they were used in Australia and the UK etc..
and were called trafficators...
57-58 holdens also had red blinkers... stop light blinked..
I believe they were an accessory back then..
LEE
PS: Legally... lenses should have numbers on them relating to the rules back when they were new..
smoked or red lenses are ILLEGAL...
BLUE DOTS are also ILLEGAL...
headlights that go to the Right when dipped are also illegal..
they usually have letters on the lens
There's his problem, he should turn his headlights off when it's day time (stormy weather excepted), we don't live in Norway!