WSID , THIS FRIDAY 8th Jan

I have preped the car and will be heading out to Western Sydney this Friday for a run on a 1/4 mile with the nitrous oxide for the first time . I have completed 20 passes with the gas over the 1/8 mile so I am confident I have the tune-up correct . I will leave the 140 shot jets in the system to see if it will run a 9 second pass . I have been getting faster every run as I get used to the extra kick I have at my finger tips . I will be out there around 4.00pm with a 6.00pm start and would like to get at least 3 good runs in before a transmission swap and engine freshen up before Portland in 6 weeks time , ROD.

Hi Rod

I will try to get out there to cheer you on. What sort of meeting is it?

Steve

Cool. Hope all goes well mate.

ill be there rod, cutting it close with summernats but ill make the effort... lol, see u on friday, cheers adam

Another run ill miss! Diving in koh tao thailand!

Good luck Rod, hope all goes well - will look forward to hearing the news.
Al

Have good speed and great times on Friday Rod.
Good to hear you are coming down to Portland again this year. 👍👍 See you there👍

bloody drissle rain in sydney today

sun is out now might stay clear

Relax Dave; Latest Forecast:

UPDATED SYDNEY FORECAST
Issued at 9:35 am EDT on Friday 8 January 2010

UPDATED

Warning Summary at issue time:
Nil.

Forecast for Friday
Fine. Cloud decreasing and sunny periods in the afternoon. Light to
moderate east to northeast winds, freshening near the coast in the
afternoon.

Precis: Fine. Cloud decreasing.

City: Max: 26 Parramatta: Max: 29
Terrey Hills: Max: 26 Penrith: Max: 30
Liverpool Max: 29 Richmond: Max: 29

Still sunny and hot here at Liverpool.

Who's going tonight ???

Kev

me, stopping at my fave kebab shop in penrith on the way, will be there about 530, flying beetle shirt 🙂

Dave you had better take photos to show me!!

I'll be there, probably about 6:30, wearing a red Beetle t-shirt

gwen / camo, you both have pm's 🙂 cyas there, kebab time! (QLD just cant seem to do kebabs the same)

take a photo of the kebab dave....

Anything to report yet?

9.89@134 with 140 gas.
11.16 with no gas.
Good work Rod!

Was at the track tonight and Rod said, "I bet this is on AVD before I get home tonight". Well, I dont think Rod would have even left WSID when DB posted Rods times etc. Me thinks DB had an insider at the track also called Dave (STIDUB) 👍

Good to meet other VW people at the track tonight.

Cheers, Kev

Well done Rod !!!

👍

Nice to see the network of Dave's is ticking along...

😉

yep, its the dave dub mafia lol, good night, other than i started with a headache, & the thing spewing fuel vapor out the open headers at full noise hurts, even after an hour, the video turned out shit too, there will be a few of rod's up shorly no doubt, shame vvds didnt have a very good night though, at least they got one run in 🙂

Hi All,

Good to meet those of you that were there tonight. Got some photos; some crap, some crappier. My weight saving decision to leave the tripod at home was incorrect, especially once it got darker. But you live and learn, and this was my first attempt at drag photography.

So without further excuses here are some photos.

I missed the one run VVDS did, so the only photo I got of them was this one:


Rod doing a burnout


Rod's second launch


Rod's third launch


Rod's fourth launch


The beast


Some of the other runners:




First time I've tried photobucket so if photos are too large or not working please let me know.

Cheers
Craig

Awesome Craig! 🙂 more???

Great pics, all working well, thanks for sharing. Both dubs looking the part. Any times for Wayne (VVDS)?

apparently only 1 run for the vvds car.

dave said that camo said, that the engine sounded a bit sad afterwards... 🙁

Sorry I missed the VVDS run and the time. I saw them working on it, but refrained from taking photos as I figured I might (rightly) get the camera jammed up me.

Colonel I'll see if there are any other decent ones tomorrow.

Dave's right, the top fuel monster was just epic in terms of noise and vibration. I took the above photo of it whilst it was warming up its tyres, and was getting ready to take a photo of the launch, but then the noise it let out made me jump a mile, so the photo I took missed the car. You know it's noisy when the skin on your arms feels it.

Good stuff. Thanks for sharing👍

Oh, and video? 😉

Good one Rod , Hope all is fine with car (motor) What Rev's did you cross finish line . Did you change your fuel pressure ! Did you hold the botton all the way ( 1/4 )
Like I said , Good -One Mate , Nice pic's above too . Anymore?
Yes , We do have a spy for all race meetings in Sydney !!

Rod actually rang me as he left the track.
He could not talk long since he had a sore throat, and sounded horrible.(I actually thought the phone call was a stalker).

He said that his first run was a 10.24(140 hp shot) with some missing,
with mixtures not quite right (bit rich due to warwick safe setting... cant remember?).
The same tune up at warwick was no better than the 100hp shot because the bottle had just about run out.
On the second run it ran with no nitrous,
The third run the car was on n2o intermittently,
which turned out to be the reason for no nitrous on the earlier run
with a screw falling out of the button on the wheel.

Once all that was fixed it ran the 9 sec pass, with what I think he said was a 6.35@111(?)
From what I can remember, that was using the n2o for the full run.

If my memory is correct rod had a 1.217 4th and 4.57 diff with 28" tyre,
so that equates to 8950 rpm,
but I am sure rod will let us know the details if I have anything wrong.

Cool. Thanks Dave, it's a wonder Rod could talk at all, he sounded bad before even leaving home!

Pete Wood has a few great photos too.... I'll let him post them up rather then stealing them from his facebook page 🙂

Bull5hit Reub....go get em dude

Just for you Matt...OK❗ 😂

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Don't worry about the theft of photos Reub, looks like Pete's stolen one of mine already. Wait till I see him next! 🥲

So what times were posted last night.
cheers

pretty bummed i couldnt go.... maybe next time... and as for mr butler, lol u r a crack up, 1200kms away and still knows more stats then the ppl that went.... good work dave 👍 i was gonna ask in my post what the times were but when i scrolled back, sure enough mr butler had already posted them 😁 u r always one step ahead

Hi

Did you break the car Rose?

Steve

Oooops I new I shouldn't have pressed that button.

You is funny, yeah I did it 😂

check out vid link below

1303Steve wrote:Hi

Did you break the car Rose?

Steve

the VVDS car ran a 12.2 @ 111 good clean run but manage to torch a head right at the end of the run

All the temps were good

more planing and research to be done

How was the snags and steak Dave?? Good to see the BBQ is in working order LOL

tough break yet again but times are certainly promising!

that commo got owned!

A big thanks to everyone that was there to support the event . It is always good the meet the people that you talk to and now to put a face to . The night was a sucess for me and the car ran fast and is ready for the Portland weekend . I rolled the car out of the trailer as it was raced at Warwick in October with the exception of a jet change in the carbs to compensate for the low altitude in Sydney compared to Warwick . The first run was a 10.24 @ 127.82 mph with a 1.43 60' and 6.40 @ 105.41 half track time . This was with the 2789cc engine and a 140 shot of nitrous oxide . The engine had a misfire or some sort of electrical miss all the way down the track . I had increased the fuel pressure that was injected with the nitrous from 5 1/2 psi to 6 1/2 psi at Warwick to compensate for the higher than normal nitrous bottle pressure . Normally the bottle pressure is between 950 - 1000 psi , however due to the over filling of the bottle and the heat the bottle pressure was almost 1200 psi .
The next run I lowered the nitrous fuel pressure back down to the normal 5 1/2 psi and ran the car again . I ran 11.59 @ 116.54 mph without the nitrous working . 1.76 60' , 7.46 @ 96.56 at half track . I inspected the electrical system in the pits and found it to be working fine , so I headed back out for another run .
On the 3rd pass the car went 11.35 @ 125.47 mph with the nitrous working intermitently throughout the entire run . 1.74 60' , 7.44 @ 99.57 at half track . In the pits I discovered the nitrous button on the steering wheel had lost a small screw and the wire was broken and not making a good contact . This was fixed and I returned to the track .
The 4th pass was a good clean run with a time of 9.89 @ 134.67 mph , 1.44 60' , 6.31 @ 111.34 at half track . The car launched straight and as I let the 2 step rev limiter off , the staging brake go , I activated the nitrous . The car picked up the wheels in 1st and 2nd gear and looking at the video supplied by Rose , the 60' timers were triggered by the rear wheels . The car ran straight and clean the full length of the track . I still have the turbo gearing in the car and did not see the 7400 shift light until I crossed the line . I am launching on the 7800 limiter and shifting @ 9200 rpm's . I will now change the transmission with the new one with the correct ratio's before the Portland weekend . I am currently usind a 4.57 ratio with a .95 top gear . I will be changing to a 4.60 with a 1.19 top gear . I am looking forward to Portland and taking the next step to a 180 hp shot of nitrous , ROD.

180 gas!?
You'd better chck your head studs are tight dude!
Good vids, thanks rose and ian!

vw54 wrote:more planing and research to be done

Chuck the electric carbies (Microtech) in the bin

A couple more pics of Rod as taken by a mate...

Good to see you out on the strip Rod!
I saw a few of the VW guys perched at the top of the stairs but I didn't realise it was you blokes from the forums. If I had I would've come said hey!

Just recovering my ears from that seven second thing...

nice work Rod.........do you run a bottle blanket??

friend who runs nitrous cant reccomend them enough.....he had lots of issues without it due to inconsistent bottle pressure.........now he runs absolutely CONSTANT pressure with the blanket.......much more consistent and safer tuning

excellent stuff Rod...great to see everything coming together.

and thanks for the vid Rose.

Still coming to terms with a Proton Satria running 10s

Lookin good, launches look nice. Now finish the fast one!

dangerous wrote:180 gas!?
You'd better chck your head studs are tight dude!
Good vids, thanks rose and ian!

might be a stupid question but is that alot of nos for that size motor dave? rod is running a 2789cc with 180 shot of nos, a few years back i was running a 3.5ltr v6 alloytech commodore motor with a 150hp shot of nos (bigger capacity i know but, not by heaps and also mine was a stock production engine vs a race built engine).... it seemed pretty mild at the time and i ended up doing 45000kms in that car, with the nos being used a few times a week. i dont know, still learning the whole vw thing, but considering what rod has put into his motor surely 250 shot is still a pretty safe mix, especially if he runs it on the richer side with fuel to be safe. again, just a question, as iv only been into aircooled vw's for about 4 yrs and also plan to run nos on my bug...... better to be safe then sorry i think.

I dont know much about n2o other than what I have read and discussed with other users.,
...but knowing rod made over 500 on that same engine, boosted,
that should be easilly possible with n2o as well.
Plus being such a cool charge, it could be possible to do it even easier on the parts.

But my comment about the head studs was merely related to a suggested maintenence procedure
after a few (20plus!) runs with the n2o.

There must be some limit to how much will actually go into the manifold
without clouding back out the carbs,
but I guess this is why the pro-mod guys use it in stages,(well, one of the reasons, other than uncontrolable launches anyhow),
so that when you use the second hit, there is enough air speed to draw it all in.

Bring on the 300 jets I say.

What are the details of the Nitrous kit you have rodney?
Is it an 'off the shelf" NOS brand?
What about the fuel pump?
Is it an extra one for the nitrous or a totally independant system?
What is the regulator used?
How about some pictures.
Sounds like a very affordable way to go fast.

Dave , I have an off the shelf kit that I purchased in the US on one of my trips . This kit was designed for a vw engine and was a NOS brand . I think this brand is now sold under the Edelbrock or Holley brand name . The kit was complete with 4 nozzles or Foggers as they are often refered to , the kit had all plumbing, electrical parts and has extra jets to adjust the amount of HP or Nitrous to be injected . I have modified the fogger nozzles to accept a similar type of jet I purchased from OZNOS here in Australia . I have a series of jets that I can use to adjust the amount of HP from , 25 - 35 - 45 - to 55 HP per cylinder . These jets are similar to what is in a carburator and due to their specific sizing allow a pre determined amount of fuel and Nitrous to flow through them . I use 4 jets for the fuel and 4 jets for the Nitrous at any one time . The system can than be fine tuned by regulating the fuel pressure usually anywhere between 4 - 7 psi and the Nitrous pressure can be altered by the means of heat . The pressure in the Nitrous bottle usually is between 900 - 1000 psi . With the use of a thermal blanket or bottle warmer , you can alter the pressure in the bottle by heating and expanding the gas . I have a bottle warmer and at the moment am not using it as I find it will only be of benefit during the colder months of racing . I did however have an issue with too much bottle pressure @ Warwick this year and the bottle pressure was around 1250 - 1300 psi . This in tern would have injected an excessive amount of gas and may have caused the system to lean out and hurt the engine . I was aware of the pressure problem and as a quick fix I increased the Nitrous fuel pressure from 5 1/2 psi to 6 1/2 psi . The car ran great . I am using Sunoco supreme nos as a fuel and from the fuel tank to the fuel pump the line is short and is large in diameter . I am using a Holley black fuel pump to feed the 58mm carbs as well as the Nitrous system . I have a OZNOS or Moroso brand fuel log to distribute the fuel to each carb and this method is a basic recycle system as the fuel returns to the tank , and the fuel log is adjustable and I have it set at about 3 3/4 psi to the carbs . Out of the fuel pump I have a Y fitting and the other line is connected to a Holley pressure regulator that is set at 5 1/2 psi for the Nitrous . I have 2 fuel solinoids and 2 Nitrous solinoids which are mounted at the base of each inlet manifold and the lines that go from the solinoids to the nozzles are extremly short and this is where the jets are located . A jet change consists of changing all 8 jets at the same time and will take about 10 minutes . In theory when you do a jet change you should not have to change anything else in the system or in the carbs . I have learnt that the most critical thing with using the Nitrous is to retart the total amount to timing from the engine . I have detuned the engine to use the Nitrous and at the moment have about 230 hp at the engine and with the addition of 150 HP of Nitrous am pushing 380-400 HP . I will leave the 150 jets in for Portland and hopefully at the end of the first day I would like to try the 180 HP jets . If all goes well and I have enough gas left i will go for the 220 shot , ROD.

hey Rod well done on the times and thank you for sharing your information, very helpful as always, is this the same 2789cc with the pauter cam, 11.93 down from 15.23 c/r. the NOS would certainly help with cooling the intake charge in the barrels now that you are using spacers to alter compression.
I would love to see 220hp squirt in this monster, also is the autocraft set up same stud pattern as t4? if so I got some really thick Deutz 4" cylinders I was gonna play with.
I wonder how the combustion pattern is in those heads and weather they would benefit from swirl grooves.

The Autocraft pattern head stud location that Rod uses, and as do my engines,
is almost identical to the VW Wasser Boxer stud pattern,
and the distance between adjacent cylinders is the same as stock type 1 and Wasser.

People have used the Deutz cylinders on type one aftermarket engines,(pauter,scat, autocraft, arpm and autolinea and converted wasser),
but pobably the largest size you would ever want to go would be 103mm or so.(case bored to about 107mm, head 110 to 111)

If you wanted to use a very long rod, and just sit the barrel on a very shallow step at the case you could fit as large as 105mm,
but that is just greedy on a type 1, he he.

check out the link for pics that badger photography took

http://badgerphoto1.badgerphotography.com.au/2010/FTF%20100109/pages/0901100753%20-%20Sydney%20Dragway%20-%20Full%20Throttle%20Friday.htm

http://badgerphoto1.badgerphotography.com.au/2010/FTF%20100109/index_14.htm
http://badgerphoto1.badgerphotography.com.au/2010/FTF%20100109/pages/0901100151%20-%20Sydney%20Dragway%20-%20Full%20Throttle%20Friday.htm

dangerous wrote:The Autocraft pattern head stud location that Rod uses, and as do my engines,
is almost identical to the VW Wasser Boxer stud pattern,
and the distance between adjacent cylinders is the same as stock type 1 and Wasser.

People have used the Deutz cylinders on type one aftermarket engines,(pauter,scat, autocraft, arpm and autolinea and converted wasser),
but pobably the largest size you would ever want to go would be 103mm or so.(case bored to about 107mm, head 110 to 111)

If you wanted to use a very long rod, and just sit the barrel on a very shallow step at the case you could fit as large as 105mm,
but that is just greedy on a type 1, he he.

yeah Dave, that would be very greedy on a type 1, I'm thinking of messing around with a type 4 eg. 86 x 101.6 - 107, the Deutz are so long they would need a bit of machining.
a lot depends on the combo regarding forced or n/a, I have two sets of heads opened up to 105mm which brings me to the question of using the hemi heads for turbo, has anyone done this with good results?