Help required from Germany please

Help please:

To my dismay, in Bad Camberg last week, as part of the Aussie contingent taking some Aussie cars back to Wolfsburg, I met up with 3 people who had bad dealings with a certain individual selling rear venetian blinds via Ebay or the internet. The following email will explain most - I have removed the individuals name, he is located in Coburg - VIC. Does anyone know who he is or is he a member on here as we need to contact him & get this resolved. It was most embarrassing to be approached by Germans who thought Aussie's were "dis-honest" and Untrustworthy.

Please contact me by private email; or U2U as I have promised to try to help these people out.

"nice contact
i hope thats was fine for you here to see our germany.

a little crazy mans here but its ok.

her the adress. from the bad aussie man:

mr. xxxxx xxxxxxxxxx
16 xxxxxxx str. coburg 3058
victoria

for you understanding:

i pay him 234 us dollar for sunvisor for back window split window. (orig old product - but this was a repro and you can smel the freh new color flavour)

this was in sept. 2002

i send him the money cash in a registed letter.
he get the money, thats save.
he send me at first one sunvisor.
but this is never coming here to me.
i write him this to email
he sad he send the next one.
i get the second one and saw thats like a repro
and send him this back. that was ok than he write me this in older emails.
he get this sunvisor back.
but he say now i get 2 of this sunvisor and i dont get my money back.
but he have only one reciept (postinvoice) not 2 of this.
he sad i am not a right man and and.

i meet a other man here in germany in camberg.
he have the similar story the similar problems with the money and the 2 sunvisors.

i hope you can speak with the stupid man
and i get my money back.

thank you for help me

i dont like it when people do not the right way.

i am do every time for frindly people what i can help."

Hi GH,

As ebay is a binding contract he can be reported for fraud or misrepresenting a product? Not 100% sure on the legality of it all. But Im sure something can be done.
Someone on this forum must know this person or know of him...help sort it out.

There is also an option of leaving very bad feedback in his buyers feedback section.

I am always disapointed in a few that have no conscience and reflect so badly on the human race! 🙁

Ive heard of making a profit, but for #### sake! This man was Screwed! By the sounds of it, he thought he was getting NOS venetians, and Recieved the Repro ones we can get for a fration of this price! I have seen a number of ads on thesamba.com from Australia for venetians, but havent paid attention where in Australia! I will be from now on! If I notice anything, I will let all know!

N!

From what I gather, one would be advertised on Ebay, then other buyers would contact this vendor privately - lo & behold, he has more than one & the deal is done "off" Ebay.

There was a lot of resentment on the representation of these venetians as "New Old Stock Genuine" & them being shown on a genuine parts box. When they turned up of course, they were made "yesterday" as we all know we can order them any time...

We could hook him up with the groupbuy we have here Guy 🙂

Hope he gets his money back poor bloke:puke

Coburg is only about two hours from me, how about I go and ask him? 😉

Someone just emailed me this one:

Blind 1

Blind 2

Anyone know who this is (email privately)

hey kruizin...
do a club 'intervention' run. get a few members together, get the details from guy and go up and find out the story.
if it was up this way i would be up. get so sick of people ripping others of. had enough of being ripped off myself over the years.

for the good of the vw.

How much are these repros available for in Australia? Those guys are paying US$90 + costs, which I figure at the moment equates to around AUS$235 a set. I guess it doesn't matter, I'm just curious to know how much he's making. 😀

I know that's not the issue; the issue is the fact that they are not the genuine "Australian accessory offered by VW dealers in the '50's and '60's and shown in the original accessory brochure." They are reproductions. 😠

"The photos are of the one in my car, you are bidding on a new one still in the box."
If he can take a pic of the ones on his car, why can't he take a pic of the box too? Though if I was the buyer, I would have been looking for that. The seller possibly doesn't even have the box. In fact, that probably isn't even his car! :o

Have a couple of people working on who it is at the moment, thanks for the help all you Victorians!

Buy you a Beer at Valla!

Guy, let me know of the address and 'll tell you who it is...I know most of the VW people in Melbourne.
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This is fucked and it must be resolved!

Hey Kruizin Kombi,
How did you work out that $90.00US = $235.00 Aussie dollars?
Using the currency converter it = $132.17.(thats at todays dollar price, but at the time I got around $142.00ea)

I am Menangler and I sold those 2 rear blinds on Ebay a couple of months ago, one went to California and the other stayed in Australia.
They were sold as new, not new old stock, the NOS in the heading was for a search result, both buyers Emailed me to find out if they were New Old Stock or just new. They both knew what they were getting and are very happy with them and left positive feedback for me.
I take photos of one in my car (yes it is my car!) because the visors came to me packed in a good box and ready to ship, and are exactly the same as the one I have.
I bought these blinds for $110.00ea + tax + freight, my cost was $136.00 ea. (WOW I made 6 bucks) so now you know how much I made.
:P
And thats why I don't sell rear blinds on Ebay anymore!

If this guy from Coburg has done the wrong thing, you should be able to go through the proper Ebay proceedure to have it fixed.

You are right Dave, I converted from UK to AUS, not US to AUS. I also misunderstood about who was selling what to where, I assumed 'menangler' was the person from Coburg. So on both counts, my apologies - I was wrong.

Didn't I meet you on the Blue Mountains Cruise in Jan 02? I know I have seen your posts here on the forum and from what I have seen, you are a trustworthy person, and I apologise for the misunderstanding. 🙂

[Edited on 4-7-2003 by KruizinKombi]

Thanks Kruizin,
I just wanted to make sure people didn't confuse me with the seller in Coburg.

Definately was not Dave -

Sprintstar - I will U2U his details - thanks for the help.

Once again, I emphasise that this was done outside of Ebay & the mentioned customer is about $400 out of pocket & has nothing. 3 Germans taken by this seller - who knows how many from other countries.

Afraid to go to any overseas shows after having this dumped on our happy little Aussie travelling group - put a real downer on the week.....

Guy, I know the scumbag, you have U2U.
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Sounds like hes at it again....

Ok so who is it ???

Alright called into the his house today on me way to work on me rides.Caught him by suprise he nearly died when I told him some mate from Germany has sent me to get a refund.I suppose a tattooed freak standind in at anyones front door is shocking enough.
Maybe we can leave a better impression on the rest of the world than what they think of our scene at the moment..

[Edited on 6-7-2003 by kustomkool]

Kustomcool I do have to meet you. I can just picture you in your car, some knobhead giving you grief in their car behind you, and you stop the car and get out. The look on their face would be priceless. 😀

Well done KustomKool :thumb

D, if you need some extra tattooed freak muscle let me know ill roll with ya, got monday off to pick up the bulldog!

Had a good chat today and the person said that he had told them they were not n.o.s but repro and he has organised to either refund them or supply the goods.Those who know him will have to agree hes usually pretty good to do business with.On this occassion apperently not.Guy thats about all I could do.I wasnt about to make this old guys life hell over some venetians.I suppose karma gets all eventually anyway.

Thanks for the help down there - I will email Germany & get them to contact him now he has had a "word".

Hopefully we wont have this problem again!

🙂

Good stuff D !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU BIG FREAKING FREAK !!!!!!!!!!!!
heheheee

glad it all worked out !
Hope u can get the good aussie name back for us Guy !:bounce

Hey dave
how come one venetian says its location is Melbourne and the other says NSW?

I just rang my father to ask him if he knew anything about this as he also went to badcamberg this year and i found out that one of the people that got ripped off is a really good friend of ours.As this is the case can somebody please send me his name and address and so I can personally recover all moneys owing.In my experience people that do things like this on a regular basis will not change their ways with a simple "word".The only way to treat somebody like this is to give him a "medical bill" which he can pay off with the money that he took from honest veedubbers.hope to hear from somebody soon.

Hey KDF - spoke to your dad over there.

You have U2U with the details

sounds like this guy is gonna get a big dose of karma.

i have heard that some people in melbourne are giving the honest ones a bad name to the rest of the world.

well done to everyone who has helped stamp it out.

i wonder if we could post his name so that it never happens again

... small world isnt it?
😠

Hey kustomkool, no slow 63, SPRINTSTAR & KDF, still no luck with our German friends.

Does anyone ou there know how to get in contact with:

mr. harry giovanakis
16 holroyd str. coburg 3058
victoria

He may have moved since we had this address. I would like to contatc him directly & see if we can help get this sorted out!

Cheers

SPRINTSTAR wrote:Guy, let me know of the address and 'll tell you who it is...I know most of the VW people in Melbourne.a
This is $%#%# and it must be resolved!

Sprintstar, If You use BAD language like this in Your Own Home.. OK.. But Lets leave it in Your Home.... We don't need Bad Language on this or any Forum.... It should be deleted....
:puke:puke:puke:puke:puke:puke

The plot thickens - he trades on ebay as:
essendon 1962.

[url=http://]http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&include=0&userid=essendon1962&sort=2&rows=25&since=-1&rd=1[/url]

has anyone else dealt with him? - still having trouble tracking him down.....🙁

anyone given him anything black and blue yet ?

The bad news is that E-bay tends to deal with the created identities in these matters (from experience, they will at least send threatening letters.)

The good news is, the government have set up a Task-Force to deal with internet fraud. Have your German friend pass on all details to them - It sounds like this crook was clever enough to avoid the 8 years he deserves, but he'll never be able to do it again with them watching.

Guy, has traded on eBay for quite some time as that name.. As I have said before, I bought my venetian through him and was very pleased and it went smooth and all, so obviously this has changed since..

After going through this exercise (I finally contacted the Seller direct). This blind was sold as a NOS blind & of course it was a repro - there was several emails before the purchase to confirm this (I have copies). Allegedly the first one was "lost in the mail", the 2nd one one was sent out of "goodwill" by the sender via post, and of course it was a repro. This was returned by the German back to the Australian, the German paying the post back. The Seller has decided not to refund any money back.

The German is out $285 USD & has no blinds or refunds

Moral of the story:

If buying from overseas, use insured, registered post, and ask the seller to keep the receipt (in this case, there is no proof the item was sent or received). Otherwise you have no grounds for action with the Australian Internet Fraud squad.

Unfortunately, the word is spreading through the German clubs "beware of buying from Australians, they will rip you off" as the last two people caught are fairly high profile in the European VW scene....🙁

This person has ruined our relations with the Germans, why some people have to be dishonest and rip others off, is beyond me! I hope he suffers some serious Karma.
I would be willing to put in some money, to at least give the Germans their money back! and I would sign a petition to say that we in Australia are NOT happy about this persons behaviour, and are doing our best to expose them, we could add an apoligy at least on our behalf, mabe this would at least go some way to restoring our good reputation!
Rob........

Another moral to this story is: Don't send cash in the mail. It is illegal in Australia and most civilised countries, and anyone who asks for it is almost certainly a crook like this guy - the old "lost in the mail" bit, huh? There was no way to prove the money was ever received and the guy was lucky to even get a repro out of him!

Rob, I think you have just effectively signed a petition saying that you aren't happy about what happened. :thumb

I don't think any of us are happy about it, but most of us are powerless to do anything about it. 🙁

Has anybody managed to talk to this guy recently?

Hate to start up a topic that was dead a long time ago and was not the most pleasant, but.... how can you tell if a rear venetian is the original artical or a reproduction????

What is an original worth as opposed to a repro??

I am talking type 3's here by the way.

[Edited on 27-10-2004 by Paddo]

if its OG it has a VW part no on it

The origionals were spot welded.

The guy you are looking for has a last name of Swanson. I think you can figure the rest out.

vw54 wrote:The origionals were spot welded.

If the originals were spot welded, how do they put the copies together??

The originals had different methods of mounting them. U2U me and I'll send U a pic of an original.

Hi

I hope this issue has been sorted. Reminds me of the guy that sold the Heb many times to overseas buyers.

I bought some parts from Ebay UK, the vendor gave me a DHL tracking number so I could keep up with the package. I had the parts sent to my neighbours UK office and I was able to tell him who signed for the package and when it arrived. This was very painless.

Steve
Steve

ha ha ha , like it centurian, like it.....😉