Rule 1: Car must not weigh less that original manufacturers specs.
Rule 2: Everything else is free, as long as it complies with rego for its home state.
This will mean it comes down to the good old power to weight ratio. So you will need to extract good HP from the motor......not just turn up in a gutted out car to post a good time.
Thats what i reckon would make a good class.馃槑
Bug_racer 路
Why only beetles ? I dont want to have to go out and buy another car just to compete in this class .
LIFE IN THE LOW LANE 路
Yeah don't discriminate those of us who are in Kombi's after all we are the heaviest LOL
Personally I think it should be street tyres, muffler, set a minimum weight so either light cars carry weight and cars that are heavier can strip weight out. Engine wise should there be some rules like having to run a cooling system and perhaps air cleaners.
It is always going to be a huge can of worms doing rules for something like this but personally it would be a great class of racing to watch.
Bizarre 路
So what is it you are organising Craig??
coletrickle 路
Good idea craig i was thinking of somthing simular!How about all V.A.G. 2wd mass produced vehicles with orignal type of engine(ie air cooled flat4 T1,T2,T3,watercooled 4,5,6,8's vw audis seats skoda etc)rego details match the car in question and lites,indicators,wipers, glass windscreeen,Body pannels must be mounted in stock location.Every thing else free?
71-BEETLE-SEDAN 路
I think road legal tyres, no semi slicks etc?
Bug_racer 路
why only 2wd ? Golfs wouldnt stand a chance against aircooled cars . You can rule out all 8s as they only came out Quattro and most a6/s6's .
Should be all 4/6 cylinder VAG cars . FWD should be allowed full slick , rear wheel drive semi slick , all wheel drive street tyre or something equivalent .
coletrickle 路
Stripped out cars with fibreglass bits are what i drive so your idea for factory delivered weight initally put me against it then i remembered that my standard came with the passenger seat and rear seat delete option M236.(I think they called it the tv delivery man option i'll check with my vw geek)betcha that will be a light car!Gotta remember a lot of country tracks may not have scales.As for tires plain radials would be cool but what ever suits me.At "the 2009 event who's name shall not be spoken"my first pass was against a trailered race bug on slicks beat him on a holeshot,me with brazillian heads and M/T drag radials.
matberry 路
I think specifing weight is a bit dificult as it's too hard to proove or too easy to complain about. I'm not trying to argue but keep it simple as suggested. Rego, with all lights and saftey equipment, any legal tyres although there is an argument to rule out M/T's and the like as they are expensive yada yada, but for that matter if your serious about going fast, wouldn't you be running those tyres??? So that one I'm not sure about.
I do prefer the air cooled varities only (with any engine of course) but if it has to be any VAG so be it.
ian.mezz 路
I think yous guys didn't read this post 馃お馃檯馃お
Simple VW Street Beetle Class for DRAGS
coletrickle 路
Yeah point taken ian simple is good.Rego in your home state and thats it.And if the state you live in has tougher rules than say QLD tough luck,harden up or move state!
Craig Torrens 路
Bug_racer wrote:Why only beetles ? I dont want to have to go out and buy another car just to compete in this class .
Um well.....maybe because the titles says its for beetles !!!
well dont compete in the class then......geez that was simple !
Bug_racer 路
Craig Torrens wrote:
Bug_racer wrote:Why only beetles ? I dont want to have to go out and buy another car just to compete in this class .
Um well.....maybe because the titles says its for beetles !!!
well dont compete in the class then......geez that was simple !
And why set up a series completely based upon a car that hasnt been sold here for over 30 years ?
And this is how your encouraging watercooled cars to come into drag racing ? By not including them in events ????
Craig Torrens 路
LIFE IN THE LOW LANE wrote:Engine wise should there be some rules like having to run a cooling system and perhaps air cleaners.
Why ? If people are stupid enough to let crap go down the throttle bodies, and let their motors have no cooling then let them !!!馃槀
hellbugged 路
be nice to race other street beetles...can go in any tnt night and be up against other vehicles
Rules hey....hmmm
Werent the berg trophy rules simple too?
Loop holes, grey areas, implementation and decisions on rules is when it gets ugly
Craig Torrens 路
Bug_racer wrote:
Craig Torrens wrote:
Bug_racer wrote:Why only beetles ? I dont want to have to go out and buy another car just to compete in this class .
Um well.....maybe because the titles says its for beetles !!!
well dont compete in the class then......geez that was simple !
And why set up a series completely based upon a car that hasnt been sold here for over 30 years ?
And this is how your encouraging watercooled cars to come into drag racing ? By not including them in events ????
Its a beetle class, get over it !
Craig Torrens 路
only 2 rules Daimo 馃憤
Bug_racer 路
Craig Torrens wrote:
Bug_racer wrote:
Craig Torrens wrote:
Bug_racer wrote:Why only beetles ? I dont want to have to go out and buy another car just to compete in this class .
Um well.....maybe because the titles says its for beetles !!!
well dont compete in the class then......geez that was simple !
And why set up a series completely based upon a car that hasnt been sold here for over 30 years ?
And this is how your encouraging watercooled cars to come into drag racing ? By not including them in events ????
Its a beetle class, get over it !
Are you going to complain that you cant take a Formula 1 car into the formulae vee class ?
Im complaining cause I come here with a watercooled drag car and Im unwelcome . I go to the watercooled forums and Im unwelcome cause Im into drag racing and not into chrome wheels and lowered cars . I go to warwick and portland and dont really have anyone to race against in my class cause they are all too slow so I get my wife to race in her street car . Im asking for acceptance into a street class for all VAG cars . The Gene Berg trophy was for Vag cars , why cant this be the same ?
rose 路
yeah just like Andrew and I at Portland we had heaps of fun in our street registered bugs.
hellbugged wrote:be nice to race other street beetles...can go in any tnt night and be up against other vehicles
Rules hey....hmmm
Craig Torrens 路
Im complaining cause I come here with a watercooled drag car and Im unwelcome . I go to the watercooled forums and Im unwelcome cause Im into drag racing and not into chrome wheels and lowered cars . I go to warwick and portland and dont really have anyone to race against in my class cause they are all too slow so I get my wife to race in her street car . Im asking for acceptance into a street class for all VAG cars . The Gene Berg trophy was for Vag cars , why cant this be the same ?
but i'm giving rules for a SIMPLE BEETLE CLASS..........Not Rules for a "lets all hug and make sure every car is included" class.
Mate you're welcome here, you just don't fit the rules for the class im talking about.
hellbugged 路
dragging water cooled cars is your passion, ours is air cooled
vw54 路
Ok so "" who "" is hiring the race track
JVLRacing 路
now now!....i can see bug racers views!!!!
but i understand craigs topic......
rose 路
the guy that has all the money craigey T
vw54 wrote:Ok so "" who "" is hiring the race track
vw54 路
well it wont happen here in Sydney
rose 路
What about Gunnedah Drag strip than?
hellbugged 路
craig has just moved, track hire must be cheap on other planets
vw54 路
maybe he went to Oxford street last nite LOL
FROSTY 路
I'm out already with a 1776.... no chance unless.... anyone want to swap a 3year old for a 2300cc
Bug_racer 路
hellbugged wrote:dragging water cooled cars is your passion, ours is air cooled [/quote
So why cant we race each other ?
FROSTY 路
it will take so long to work out the rules it will leave no time to organise where to run
LOWBUG 路
Wheres that picture of the can of worms
Bug_racer 路
FROSTY wrote:it will take so long to work out the rules it will leave no time to organise where to run
Im still trying to gain some sort of acceptance .
by the time I gain acceptance Watercooled VWs will be no more , they'll all be electric powered !
Craig Torrens 路
FROSTY wrote:it will take so long to work out the rules it will leave no time to organise where to run
rules are sorted.......there's only 2 馃槀
Craig Torrens 路
Bug_racer wrote:
hellbugged wrote:dragging water cooled cars is your passion, ours is air cooled [/quote
So why cant we race each other ?
You can...........its just you won't be in that class.
Why can't I race my 12 sec Evo......cause its NOT A BEETLE !
silver 路
OK here is a suggestion for the first prize ,should any racing god forbid, ever actually happen other than here on the net, as we all know any such participation would be foolhardy
Bug_racer 路
Craig Torrens wrote:
Bug_racer wrote:
hellbugged wrote:dragging water cooled cars is your passion, ours is air cooled [/quote
So why cant we race each other ?
You can...........its just you won't be in that class.
Why can't I race my 12 sec Evo......cause its NOT A BEETLE !
So what class would I be in then ?
Craig Torrens 路
Bug Racer, I have no idea what class you would be in........this is about comparing quick beetles, yep thats right BEETLES. I'm not suggesting rules for a VW class........mate give it a rest. The SIMPLE RULES FOR BEETLES has nothing to do with your car.
Bug_racer 路
Craig Torrens wrote:Bug Racer, I have no idea what class you would be in........this is about comparing quick beetles, yep thats right BEETLES. I'm not suggesting rules for a VW class........mate give it a rest. The SIMPLE RULES FOR BEETLES has nothing to do with your car.
Id want a class for all quick street VAG cars , your so biased cause you have a car that can participate . Your even so biased as to not allow type 3's and kombi's .
Why is it its always the air cooled guys that are so biased against the watercooled cars ?
I dont see this biasness when it comes to V8 drag racing . Why do we see it here ?
And I want an answer which class would you put me in ? Im trying to compare quick street cars as a whole .
Craig Torrens 路
Well yes the V8's are biased.....to V8's ! Can a Top Fuel drag car race in the Door Slammer Class ??
Dude this is 2 simple rules I'm suggesting to allow Beetles to be compared in Drags...
I'd put you in "non beetle class"馃槀
Bug_racer 路
Craig Torrens wrote:Well yes the V8's are biased.....to V8's ! Can a Top Fuel drag car race in the Door Slammer Class ??
Dude this is 2 simple rules I'm suggesting to allow Beetles to be compared in Drags...
I'd put you in "non beetle class"馃槀
Im talking street cars not drag cars !
Can I ask you what times you run at Portland/Warwick cause I must have missed your car ?
Craig Torrens 路
I didnt go..........but i won the gene berg trophy in 99' with a 8.74 with my hillclimb car.
I don't like the 1/8th....I think my driveway is probably longer !
silver 路
Mate Craig has suggested a class for beetles
heres an Idea why don't you start a thread and suggest a class for watercooled!
matberry 路
8.74 That would be Oran Park hey Craig?
Craig Torrens 路
silver wrote:Mate Craig has suggested a class for beetles
heres an Idea why don't you start a thread and suggest a class for watercooled!
Somehow that hasn't sunk in yet.
Bug_racer 路
silver wrote:Mate Craig has suggested a class for beetles
heres an Idea why don't you start a thread and suggest a class for watercooled!
You obviously havent been to Warwick either !
silver 路
Bug_racer wrote:
silver wrote:Mate Craig has suggested a class for beetles
heres an Idea why don't you start a thread and suggest a class for watercooled!
You obviously havent been to Warwick either !
I don't recall ever being there .Where is it? does it have any bearing on the discussion?
VDUBXTC 路
Bug_racer wrote:
Craig Torrens wrote:Well yes the V8's are biased.....to V8's ! Can a Top Fuel drag car race in the Door Slammer Class ??
Dude this is 2 simple rules I'm suggesting to allow Beetles to be compared in Drags...
I'd put you in "non beetle class"馃槀
Im talking street cars not drag cars !
Can I ask you what times you run at Portland/Warwick cause I must have missed your car ?
B R. My partner and i also have a water cooled dub we would like to race with other WC cars. We also have a couple of AC cars and can see where you are going and what you want to achieve and agree. there should be a class for all VAG street registered models.
But your missing the point with this thread.
Craig has made a suggestion on a Street Beetle class only.
Probably because the interest in volksies for him is the humble bug.
Non the less it is a topic on Street BEETLES and nothing else.
If you want to gauge interest on a series for all Street VAG models start a new thread for your self and see how you go.
No point banging your head and crying out to be accepted in this thread. It's all about BEETLES only
VDUBXTC 路
As Ian and Rose have suggested.
How about looking at Gunnedah Drag strip for such a run
Mick058 路
Craig Torrens wrote:I don't like the 1/8th....I think my driveway is probably longer !
I'd love to see you try it!!
Especially that hump near the top, just before flying blind onto the road. Let me know when your going to give it a go 馃槀馃槀馃槀
71-BEETLE-SEDAN 路
Do it somewherre near syd, like WSID.
And lets see some stockers out too.
HotRodMatt 路
71-BEETLE-SEDAN wrote:Do it somewherre near syd, like WSID.
Comparing W/C to A/C on the strip doesn't really prove anything. 30 plus year old technology against the latest and greatest isn't a fair platform plus you will have whingers about being fwd.
Best bet is to see some more water pumpers at Warwick and Portland as there is a class for you to run in. But we harldy ever see more than 3-4 cars run. Beauty of these events is on saturday you can run anybody you want to. so if you have the fastest water cooled Volksy you can line up a fast air cooled Volksy heads up racing just the way I like it.
As for running air cleaners and cooling systems Craig you have been out of the drag scene for quite a while haven't you......
reub 路
Isn't it more....
LIFE IN THE LOW LANE wrote:Craig is too scared to race...
馃槀馃槉
vw54 路
build a bridge and get over it
so wots happening at WSID Matt
HotRodMatt 路
vw54 wrote:so wots happening at WSID Matt
Do it yourself drag racing. We've been doing it for 5 years.
Check out the link above.
But it's for cars of the right era and style...
Dak-A-Tak 路
Don't need rules when everyone runs on a dail-in , thats bracket racing . We need any type of volkswagen out there racing showing the brand .As Australia is mighty big place , talk to your mates , then head out to your local track together in numbers for fun .
By running test & tunes , street meets you can run against your mates and develope your drag skills and your car .
Thats what us queenslanders do !
vw54 路
Pete
couldnt of said it better myself ( except the Queenslander bit choke )
yes its BRACKET racing so all things are equal
u dont need any rules or BULLSHIT water or AIR its all the same just drive yr car the way its meant to be
GETYRBACKSIDETRACKSIDE
Bug_racer 路
I think you guys are missing my whole point .
Last year at Warwick there were 2 watercooled cars . A van and the wifes VR6 . What is going to happen if this year only I come up in a watercooled car ? Like you want me to bracket race , umm against who , myself ? I want a creation of rules so that I can fairly evenly compete against other street cars .
The whole argument of you have later technology or you have more power is a lame argument . I have almost 1500kg (1435kg weighed at wsid 2005) of weight to push and only have 1.8 litres to do it with . Its now 2l but the cost to get it there would exceed a short motor from Scat/Pauter . Everything for this car is double if not more the cost of what Gene Berg charges for their products so you need to put that into perspective ! And Im always going to be pushing almost double the weight compared to air cooled cars !
rose 路
So we can see you all at gunnedah to have some fun in your vw's more the better to beat the v8 guys
Tamworth Drag Association have about 4 events each year to go to and it only cost $100 for 2 days of racing.
So with all the interest in this post we should see heaps of vw's there.
Dak-A-Tak wrote:Don't need rules when everyone runs on a dail-in , thats bracket racing . We need any type of volkswagen out there racing showing the brand .As Australia is mighty big place , talk to your mates , then head out to your local track together in numbers for fun .
By running test & tunes , street meets you can run against your mates and develope your drag skills and your car .
Thats what us queenslanders do !
rose 路
Come to Gunnedah you can race anything they don't care what you have under the engine lid. You can have a 350 chev in a corolla they just put you in your time category.
eg. they put all the 8 sec cars together. And 10 sec cars together and so on. It's heaps of fun I've been there 3 times. I've raced hampsters, chevs, v8 holdens and new falcons & lots more. It would be good to get more vw's there the Tamworth guys love it.
Bug_racer wrote:I think you guys are missing my whole point .
Last year at Warwick there were 2 watercooled cars . A van and the wifes VR6 . What is going to happen if this year only I come up in a watercooled car ? Like you want me to bracket race , umm against who , myself ? I want a creation of rules so that I can fairly evenly compete against other street cars .
The whole argument of you have later technology or you have more power is a lame argument . I have almost 1500kg (1435kg weighed at wsid 2005) of weight to push and only have 1.8 litres to do it with . Its now 2l but the cost to get it there would exceed a short motor from Scat/Pauter . Everything for this car is double if not more the cost of what Gene Berg charges for their products so you need to put that into perspective ! And Im always going to be pushing almost double the weight compared to air cooled cars !
h 路
when's this happening? I'll bring some tinnies n snags to BBQ while watchn trackside 馃檪
I promoted Warwick to the watercooled guys a lot and a few were interested but didn't come. the biggest thing I did hear from a few in the Watercooled circles is that they prefer roundy roundy racing over drag racing. They think drags is boring!! Don't flame me bug racer I am just quoting what the owners have told me of watercooled VW's.
I for one would love to see a big field of some the tough watercooled cars getting around that I know of.....
LOWBUG 路
Hey Bug_Racer, Have a cup of concrete and harden the F*** up, stop winging like a bitch. Its your choice to drive a water cooled VW. You'll probably hate the idea that I have new technology in my air cooled vw, and it makes it go even faster. Get over it. Its not anyone heres fault that not many water cooled vw's want go drag racing.
silver 路
Hey Bug Racer.......why don't you race the bug, problem solved
LOWBUG 路
Has he got one, you wouldn't think so.
Bug_racer 路
Ive pushed drag racing to watercooled guys for years , its a lost cause between Warwick , Drag Combat in Sydney and Portland hardly anyone shows up . If you had a show on for lowest car or widest wheels Im sure youd get a showing . Im just not interested in that . Those that do circuit racing wont come out to the drags either , its funny cause when we raced proffessionaly we did launch testing sometimes and it was always important to get a good launch , but anyway its a lost cause . Yeah 99% of watercooled guys think drags is boring , but weekends like Warwick and Portland arent just about the drags and if they ever came to one they would probably see it . But unfortunately I doubt its going to happen so I guess its time to just leave it . I guess youve probably noticed the lack of any real tech posts in the watercooled forums as well . Seems everyone is happy to drive their cars stock or get an APR/Giac chip and thats it . Really sad that things are going the way they are .
LIFE IN THE LOW LANE wrote:I promoted Warwick to the watercooled guys a lot and a few were interested but didn't come. the biggest thing I did hear from a few in the Watercooled circles is that they prefer roundy roundy racing over drag racing. They think drags is boring!! Don't flame me bug racer I am just quoting what the owners have told me of watercooled VW's.
I for one would love to see a big field of some the tough watercooled cars getting around that I know of.....
Bug_racer 路
LOWBUG wrote:Hey Bug_Racer, Have a cup of concrete and harden the F*** up, stop winging like a bitch. Its your choice to drive a water cooled VW. You'll probably hate the idea that I have new technology in my air cooled vw, and it makes it go even faster. Get over it. Its not anyone heres fault that not many water cooled vw's want go drag racing.
Id love to harden up , move to America and race there . My wife wants to stay here in Australia so I guess Im gonna make the most out of my situation and try and change things so I actually have someone/somewhere to race !
A few years back there was a class in Sports compact of Pro FWD . I started building a 1300hp fwd Golf , before long they cancelled the class . I had spent $30k+ and I didnt even have a class to race it in . The car just sits there now idly awaiting for either the class to come back or a reason to build it . I had thought about converting it to rwd or 4wd but its not going to be much of a Golf anymore , so its on the backburner until after I finish the wifes VR6T project . So you see Im kinda in the same boat with watercooled cars at Portland/Warwick . If I turn up to Warwick and Im the only watercooled car there Craig will just cancel the class . I still want to race , thats why Im going to push hard for a street class for all cars to go in !
I dont hate the idea that you have newer technology in your car . In fact I prefer newer technology to the old stuff . EFI over carbs anyday . Todays EFI is light years ahead of what was around 20 years ago . I reckon you could take a stock beetle engine , keep it 1600 , decent cam (engle 110/120) flow the heads/raise compression and put the latest EFI management including knock sensors and quite easily double the power and reduce fuel consumption by 30-40% .
I know its not anyones fault on here that I drive watercooled . Im just trying to work out why people like yourself are so against allowing watercooled cars to race against air cooled in a heads up competition ?
Bug_racer 路
silver wrote:Hey Bug Racer.......why don't you race the bug, problem solved
Cause it needs a lot of work . Ive given up on air cooled cars . They just arent as reliable as what everyone says .
Bug_racer 路
LOWBUG wrote:Has he got one, you wouldn't think so.
9/1970 1500 , Sherwood forest green .
Last time it ran was 2002 with a 2007/48IDA's Had it since 1992
colonel mustard 路
Bug_racer wrote:
silver wrote:Hey Bug Racer.......why don't you race the bug, problem solved
Cause it needs a lot of work . Ive given up on air cooled cars . They just arent as reliable as what everyone says .
then go EJ20t... 馃檪
Bug_racer 路
colonel mustard wrote:
Bug_racer wrote:
silver wrote:Hey Bug Racer.......why don't you race the bug, problem solved
Cause it needs a lot of work . Ive given up on air cooled cars . They just arent as reliable as what everyone says .
then go EJ20t... 馃檪
I actually wanted to fit a Golf 4 gti motor I have here but go N/A .
My turbo motor made 303 flywheel hp when it was in N/A form so I think with multiple throttle bodies and a 10000rpm limit I could get around 340ish hp from it . It would be air cooled cause its drag only and in a lightweight bug Id give Dave a run for his money 馃槀 . Only issue I can see is making the gearbox strong enough !
VDUBXTC 路
Bug_racer wrote:
LOWBUG wrote:Hey Bug_Racer, Have a cup of concrete and harden the F*** up, stop winging like a bitch. Its your choice to drive a water cooled VW. You'll probably hate the idea that I have new technology in my air cooled vw, and it makes it go even faster. Get over it. Its not anyone heres fault that not many water cooled vw's want go drag racing.
So you see Im kinda in the same boat with watercooled cars at Portland/Warwick . If I turn up to Warwick and Im the only watercooled car there Craig will just cancel the class . I still want to race , thats why Im going to push hard for a street class for all cars to go in !
I know its not anyones fault on here that I drive watercooled . Im just trying to work out why people like yourself are so against allowing watercooled cars to race against air cooled in a heads up competition ?
I don't think anyone here is denying you the chance of racing them mate, and good on you for pushing for something you want for a sports (Hobie) you love doing.
But the way you are going about it, It's making you look and sound like a 16yo school boy who's spat his lolly pop on the ground and stamping his feet for a new one.
Like I've said before.
Start a new thread on the topic. Gauge the interest you get. Then Submit it to Craig in an email. Never know your luck if there is enough interest in it
Try putting it here in the drag racing section. Not in the water cooled section were it only attracts water cooled people.
Bug racer isn't just wanting to race water cooled cars. He wants to be matched up with some fast air coolers as well.
so The thread needs to be in a place of interest to all to get the proper attention
ian.mezz 路
it is Simple stop talking about bloody water and air cooled
and just make it Volkswagen beetles made between 1954 to 1975 uno what I mean,
Uno it would be like if the Holden club had a race meet for Toranas , you could race any torana but you couldn't race a Commodore馃檯
colonel mustard 路
I have to agree with Ian. Just rock what you got. 馃檪
Bug_racer 路
ian.mezz wrote:it is Simple stop talking about bloody water and air cooled
and just make it Volkswagen beetles made between 1954 to 1975 uno what I mean,
Uno it would be like if the Holden club had a race meet for Toranas , you could race any torana but you couldn't race a Commodore馃檯
I think your missing the point . I'll put it more simply for you .
Holden has a big meet and everyone is invted
50 toranas show up 30 of the street cars and 1 commodore street car shows up and a rodeo ute
Will you create a class so that all the street toranas can race with the commodore or do you keep telling the commodore to go race against the rodeo ?
Bug_racer 路
colonel mustard wrote:I have to agree with Ian. Just rock what you got. 馃檪
So if im the only watercooled car that turns up at Warwick what would you suggest I do ? Run 1 pass , take the trophy and go home ?
colonel mustard 路
Bug_racer wrote:
colonel mustard wrote:I have to agree with Ian. Just rock what you got. 馃檪
So if im the only watercooled car that turns up at Warwick what would you suggest I do ? Run 1 pass , take the trophy and go home ?
yep. if you find that fun, or worth it for the trophy. or try and encourage other watercooled guys to come. we cant make them come, and it wouldn't be fair for you to be in the aircooled class...
ian.mezz 路
colonel mustard wrote:
Bug_racer wrote:
colonel mustard wrote:I have to agree with Ian. Just rock what you got. 馃檪
So if im the only watercooled car that turns up at Warwick what would you suggest I do ? Run 1 pass , take the trophy and go home ?
yep. if you find that fun, or worth it for the trophy. or try and encourage other watercooled guys to come. we cant make them come, and it wouldn't be fair for you to be in the aircooled class...
please stoP calling it water cooled, call it a Golf or what ever it is.
You can go to Warwick any time of the year to race.
we gO for fun not for the $20 buck Trophy
Bug_racer 路
colonel mustard wrote:
Bug_racer wrote:
colonel mustard wrote:I have to agree with Ian. Just rock what you got. 馃檪
So if im the only watercooled car that turns up at Warwick what would you suggest I do ? Run 1 pass , take the trophy and go home ?
yep. if you find that fun, or worth it for the trophy. or try and encourage other watercooled guys to come. we cant make them come, and it wouldn't be fair for you to be in the aircooled class...
I dont find it fun . In fact I let the wife race instead of myself so she can gain experience at the track . Ive been trying for like the last 5 years to get more watercooled cars out to the drags and its not increasing its getting less . The newer the generation of watercooled owner the less interested they are in racing . Im still going to be here in 5 years and I want to start enjoying going to Warwick and Portland cause I want to race and I want it to be a heads up race against other street cars . Maybe Im asking too much , but I guess I got nothing to loose ?
You say it wouldnt be fair to be in the watercooled class . Im asking what could be done to make it fair !
ian.mezz 路
Bug_racer wrote:
ian.mezz wrote:it is Simple stop talking about bloody water and air cooled
and just make it Volkswagen beetles made between 1954 to 1975 uno what I mean,
Uno it would be like if the Holden club had a race meet for Toranas , you could race any torana but you couldn't race a Commodore馃檯
I think your missing the point . I'll put it more simply for you .
Holden has a big meet and everyone is invted
50 toranas show up 30 of the street cars and 1 commodore street car shows up and a rodeo ute
Will you create a class so that all the street toranas can race with the commodore or do you keep telling the commodore to go race against the rodeo ?
It is a TORANA RACE MEET and every body esle is welcome to Watch.
nobody is having a big volkswagEN race meet
Craig said BEETLE
Craig Torrens 路
What times do you run bug racer in your water cooled car?
Bug_racer 路
ian.mezz wrote:
Bug_racer wrote:
ian.mezz wrote:it is Simple stop talking about bloody water and air cooled
and just make it Volkswagen beetles made between 1954 to 1975 uno what I mean,
Uno it would be like if the Holden club had a race meet for Toranas , you could race any torana but you couldn't race a Commodore馃檯
I think your missing the point . I'll put it more simply for you .
Holden has a big meet and everyone is invted
50 toranas show up 30 of the street cars and 1 commodore street car shows up and a rodeo ute
Will you create a class so that all the street toranas can race with the commodore or do you keep telling the commodore to go race against the rodeo ?
It is a TORANA RACE MEET and every body esle is welcome to Watch.
Wow , so your saying watercooled should not be invited ?
Bug_racer 路
Craig Torrens wrote:What times do you run bug racer in your water cooled car?
The S3 ran I think 8.8 at Warwick
The VR6 ran a best of 9.8 at Warwick and 9.5 at Portland
The Seat ran a 10.4
Craig Torrens wrote:What times do you run bug racer in your water cooled car?
The S3 ran I think 8.8 at Warwick
The VR6 ran a best of 9.8 at Warwick and 9.5 at Portland
The Seat ran a 10.4
and your beetle ran? Crank IT out and have some FUN!!!!!
Bug_racer 路
colonel mustard wrote:
Bug_racer wrote:
Craig Torrens wrote:What times do you run bug racer in your water cooled car?
The S3 ran I think 8.8 at Warwick
The VR6 ran a best of 9.8 at Warwick and 9.5 at Portland
The Seat ran a 10.4
and your beetle ran? Crank IT out and have some FUN!!!!!
Ha ha , my air cooled days are over . best was 16.3 @ 85 mph . The electronic ignition was playing up and I coasted through the line . few days later the box blew and I pretty much sold the engine and its been sitting in the garage since . I took the VR6 out round about the same time and ran a 15.2 @90 mph . Thats when it all started for me and watercooled performance . This was back in 2001/2002
chippy 路
sadly there is no class for me to drag my landcruiser ute ....why wont u let me race it against aircooled vws ... ? it's not fair! :S
Tim Andrews 路
Hey Bug_racer, do you want to race against street Beetles to compare performance? I'm confused.馃お
Maybe you can be in the other engined/VW bodied class, there seems to be a few of them around.
71-BEETLE-SEDAN 路
You could race in reverse?
ian.mezz 路
Tim Andrews wrote:Hey Bug_racer, do you want to race against street Beetles to compare performance? I'm confused.馃お
Maybe you can be in the other engined/VW bodied class, there seems to be a few of them around.
yer I am now really confused to .馃槉馃槉
so out of all the drag races you could compete in you only want to compete in the Volkswagen ones to race beetles馃お
So Bug Racer, if the rules grouped you in with aircooled beetles, and you were the only watercooled car in that group/class.....and you won, that would make you happy ?
Dak-A-Tak 路
3 topics same thing !why !
Mr Bug- Racer ( why that name , you don't race a bug !), anyway , You can, all so race events , Jamboree , Compact Attack in Street Compact ( 11.00 and slower ) and Modified Compact ( 10.99 quicker must meet ANDRA safety rules with tuff street car and your drag fwd car that is sitting $$$$$$$$$ too )Both classes are dail your own which is just like any bracket meet , street meet .
It's not anyone's fault that other vw water cooled guys aren't racing !!!! Just spread the word
The Berg trophy is dead !! It was good in it's day .
I am sure Craig is try to get more water pumpers out there , becouse he is a vw guy all over .
Have a good Day !!
LOWBUG 路
Yes, Craig even mention in portland that he wished more water cooled cars would make the effort to come race, I havn't even seen a quick water cooled vw, maybe they don't like drag racing here in Aus
matberry 路
They're too slow 馃槀馃槀馃槀
Stanley 路
I can see a dedicated street beetle class being well supported in the US of A but here in OZ, although there are some bloody quick street beetles around, but shouldn't we focus on just getting all cars out there? What about kombi's and type 3's?
Sorry. water pumpers aren't my bag but all volksies need some love, especially on the track.
Bug_racer 路
ian.mezz wrote:
Tim Andrews wrote:Hey Bug_racer, do you want to race against street Beetles to compare performance? I'm confused.馃お
Maybe you can be in the other engined/VW bodied class, there seems to be a few of them around.
yer I am now really confused to .馃槉馃槉
so out of all the drag races you could compete in you only want to compete in the Volkswagen ones to race beetles馃お
Why send me links to WSID ?
I can send you some links to Warwick and Portland where Im trying to make this relevant .
I'll try and start again and make it a little more clear this time :
last year at Warwick there were 2 watercooled cars . One was my wifes and the other was a Van . At the rate watercooleds are entering Warwick this year Im probably going to be the only watercooled car there . I want to make a category for both air and watercooled cars so that they can compete together ! is that too hard to understand ?
Bug_racer 路
Dak-A-Tak wrote:3 topics same thing !why !
Mr Bug- Racer ( why that name , you don't race a bug !), anyway , You can, all so race events , Jamboree , Compact Attack in Street Compact ( 11.00 and slower ) and Modified Compact ( 10.99 quicker must meet ANDRA safety rules with tuff street car and your drag fwd car that is sitting $$$$$$$$$ too )Both classes are dail your own which is just like any bracket meet , street meet .
It's not anyone's fault that other vw water cooled guys aren't racing !!!! Just spread the word
The Berg trophy is dead !! It was good in it's day .
I am sure Craig is try to get more water pumpers out there , becouse he is a vw guy all over .
Have a good Day !!
I still have a bug I just dont race it no more , why should I change a name I adopted 15 years ago for that reason ?
Ive entered the wife in Drag Combat so I'll be there , my S3 wont be ready Im just too busy at work to finish it . Refer to my post above why Id like a class for both air/watercooled cars .
Im sorry to hear the Berg Trophy is dead . As a kid growing up I always wanted to build a car to contend it . If you look at all the winners you can see it wasnt dominated by one person for too long . I think its a set of rules that challenged people to build cars that were fast and within the rules . I dunno maybe my sense of competition is different to yours .
Craig is trying , and so have I . Ive offered $500 out of my own pocket for a drag meet and hardly anyone shows up . I cant do much more than that , and after years of trying I know its not going to happen . I just wish you would see it too .
Hope to see ya out at WSID , and cause Im a VW guy your happy to borrow my w/shop which is 5 min from WSID anytime
Bug_racer 路
LOWBUG wrote:Yes, Craig even mention in portland that he wished more water cooled cars would make the effort to come race, I havn't even seen a quick water cooled vw, maybe they don't like drag racing here in Aus
Hit the nail on the head . I dont know why though .
Bug_racer 路
matberry wrote:They're too slow 馃槀馃槀馃槀
They arent that slow to begin with . A stock mk5 gti can run a high 14 with a good driver and with only a flash get into the 13's , but try getting one to run a 12 and your talking about spending over 20K to get it there . 11's , ha ha , doubt you'll ever see it in this country
matberry 路
Bug_racer wrote:
matberry wrote:They're too slow 馃槀馃槀馃槀
They arent that slow to begin with . A stock mk5 gti can run a high 14 with a good driver and with only a flash get into the 13's , but try getting one to run a 12 and your talking about spending over 20K to get it there . 11's , ha ha , doubt you'll ever see it in this country
I can sell you an old Mk 1 that was a 12 sec car with 23 lb boost and Heron block and STREET driven....just no time slip to prove it...doh. My old (1969, 2.0 litre) 911 ran 15 flat, stock and un modified and OLD....so a Mk 5 is slow. Now a street air cooler running 12's , that's nice to see, 11's even better....and Wayne's 10's are just awesome 馃檪.
coletrickle 路
As much fun it is to hang out and look at and race nothing but VAG cars,I can honestly say nothing compares to smashing a traditional v8's etc at a street meet or test and tune(hey frosty) it's a win win situation if they beat me they can tell all their mates that they beat the multicoloured bug,lose to any vw that's pretty traumatic for the bogans and the turbo boys,I've even seen time slips stolen so there is no evidence!As for 11sec fwd i'm sure the alcorns(AM HONDA CIVICS) boys could build a whole vw fwd based car for 20k,they may race hondas but many peolple don't know they were considering building bugs but fwd drags had just started so they got in on the ground floor 10 years ago and were running 15"s now they in the 11's!Hey matty don't sell the golf lets resurect it we'll get it in the 11's it will be worth heaps more!
silver 路
coletrickle wrote:!Hey matty don't sell the golf lets resurect it we'll get it in the 11's it will be worth heaps more!
you could also race Bug Racer with it!
he really wants some competition
matberry 路
silver wrote:
coletrickle wrote:!Hey matty don't sell the golf lets resurect it we'll get it in the 11's it will be worth heaps more!
you could also race Bug Racer with it!
he really wants some competition
Yeah, sounds like fun, but I'm stealing efi and ignition from it. Had an offer recently for 2k, and lost the guy's #. Was a FAST car馃お.
Boostn 路
coletrickle wrote:As much fun it is to hang out and look at and race nothing but VAG cars,I can honestly say nothing compares to smashing a traditional v8's etc at a street meet or test and tune(hey frosty) it's a win win situation if they beat me they can tell all their mates that they beat the multicoloured bug,lose to any vw that's pretty traumatic for the bogans and the turbo boys,I've even seen time slips stolen so there is no evidence!As for 11sec fwd i'm sure the alcorns(AM HONDA CIVICS) boys could build a whole vw fwd based car for 20k,they may race hondas but many peolple don't know they were considering building bugs but fwd drags had just started so they got in on the ground floor 10 years ago and were running 15"s now they in the 11's!Hey matty don't sell the golf lets resurect it we'll get it in the 11's it will be worth heaps more!
That's what I love, when dudes in v8 pretend to have a start problem so they don't race you, and them magically are fine for the next run.
Or when you can clearly hear on the video a guy yelling at his mate don't let him run the veedub. It's pretty cool because no one laughs at the VW any more.
Let's stop fighting each other, support each other to make the VW scene grow and if someone thinks they can out do someone else, well they should build a car to compete not become an expert on the internet.
Boostn 路
Simple rules?
we should look at what we want?
I think it should be restricted to to Aspirated only.
Daily or street?
There are a few people that get confused with the two.
example...........
Cols beast is Daily
and Rod's rocket is Street.
You can NOT compare the two because they are totally different cars.
Maybe Craig we should do a poll so people can vote on what they want and majority wins?
Then if people like it they can build a car to compete?
Maybe instead of dial in's we should index them? and race them against each other.
Dave B could put his engine into a street car?
Maybe Rod P can build one of his spare engine and trannies for a streeter?
Could be cool
Did I mention it should be air cooled?
any thoughts?
HotRodMatt 路
Just get out and race...
Here's an opportunity for early VWs to do some quarter mile racing at Sydney Dragway.
Ok after spending a while going through a few threads there should be 2 classes .
First class should be an outright class .
Only rule which Id personally like is a limit on engine size . Engine size should not be double the capacity which was originally fitted to the car . Penalty - Cant run a full slick tyre must be a street radial . Id like this kind of rule to stop say an Oval having a 3l+ size engine with Turbo . Possibly even have another rule of engine must retain same amount of cylinders as factory ? But thats it . It should be a heads up on quickest street car , engineered or not , NOS water meth turbo race fuel etc all allowed . Just has to be registered .
Second class should be Sports street :
Rules Id add :
Must run street radial
RTA engine rules (I cant remember what they were but something like weight x 2.2 for forced induction or weight x 3.0 for n/a ?)
car is allowed to be stripped and exhaust changed for the drags but must have all original frames / mounting points still attached .
must run pump gas
guards/decklid/bonnet/boot all open
Would also be looking to name both trophies . Find an event to run them . Warwick and Portland would be a perfect testing ground .
Cars eligable for the outright class that I know of :
Junka , Waynes Turbo Oval , Vintage Vee dub had a street car that ran 11.6 some 10 years ago ??? Aaron Roberts Kombi my S3 and Lucas's A4 . Feel free to add to this list
Sports street
Huge field here , I wont even list how many cause 20 come to mind straight away !
Venue : Id prefer Calder park cause they seem relaxed with rules but would kinda make it unfair on the queensland guys having to drive so far . Unless it was week after Portland maybe ?
Naming of the trophies : Im thinking someone who has been a driving force in VW circles that is no longer with us . Ken Virgin comes to mind . Im prefering an Aussie over yank ! Ideas ?
Bug_racer 路
matberry wrote:
Bug_racer wrote:
matberry wrote:They're too slow 馃槀馃槀馃槀
They arent that slow to begin with . A stock mk5 gti can run a high 14 with a good driver and with only a flash get into the 13's , but try getting one to run a 12 and your talking about spending over 20K to get it there . 11's , ha ha , doubt you'll ever see it in this country
I can sell you an old Mk 1 that was a 12 sec car with 23 lb boost and Heron block and STREET driven....just no time slip to prove it...doh. My old (1969, 2.0 litre) 911 ran 15 flat, stock and un modified and OLD....so a Mk 5 is slow. Now a street air cooler running 12's , that's nice to see, 11's even better....and Wayne's 10's are just awesome 馃檪.
Why no timeslip ? A lot of watercooled guys are like this . They dyno the car or find another car with similar power/build specs then claim their car is capable of the same time without running it . Ask any real racer on here and they will tell you your not going to run your best time out of the box , it takes months/years to perfect what youve built . The watercooled guys just dont see it that way . It seems too hard to run a time , its easier to "say" what time it will run !
coletrickle 路
Hey Craig T.this thread is over somebody said the magic word馃檯
matberry 路
Bug racer just called me a watercooled guy 馃槀馃槀馃槀
No time slip because I wouldnt race it at a meet, but I did dust a 12 sec V8 on the street that I raced at the track in my air cooler.
Bug Racer you go on with all this class crap and your car ......well just look at the Compak Attack thread 馃槀馃槀馃槀
I could go on. Maybe a real racer can give me some advice. 馃槀馃槵馃槵馃槵
Just go and get some practice, I'll race you at the next VW meet, I don't care about classes, there's always some grudge runs available. 馃憤
Stanley 路
Boostn wrote:That's what I love, when dudes in v8 pretend to have a start problem so they don't race you, and them magically are fine for the next run.
Or when you can clearly hear on the video a guy yelling at his mate don't let him run the veedub. It's pretty cool because no one laughs at the VW any more.
Let's stop fighting each other, support each other to make the VW scene grow and if someone thinks they can out do someone else, well they should build a car to compete not become an expert on the internet.
Well said Nick
And in the grand scheme of drag racing in general, aircooled is the minority. I dig all volksies but for fear of sticking my neck out the water cooled guys have plenty of water cooled makes to compete with. I'd be keen to stick with aircooled only.
hellbugged 路
talk of a drag stip going ahead at Kempsey.......that would be a good half way point for us east coast QLD/NSW guys!
matberry 路
hellbugged wrote:talk of a drag stip going ahead at Kempsey.......that would be a good half way point for us east coast QLD/NSW guys!
Sounds cool 馃憤
hellbugged 路
yeah and one later this month at Casino air strip apparently........will be finding out more info on the two asap
matberry 路
Yeah heard about the Casino run, Col then on here, that sounds good too.
I need my car finished....FDOH
hellbugged 路
bloody google hey........馃お
Casino.......maybe Joel will run the subie flag 馃樀