Was told today that a Policeman was at a service station
handing out tickets to everyone who didn't lock their car when they went to pay for the petrol...
The NSW Law is, that You cannot move more than 1 meter from Your car with it unlocked...
windows down is also illegal with Your car locked...
also illegal to leave Your keys in the car if You move more than 1 meter away from Your car ....
My Belief is.... IMHO.. that if You have an alarm fitted ...
You don't need to lock Your car when paying for petrol...
Now- New Cars don't have alarms.. only immobilisers etc..
but MY beetle does have an alarm... plus other little oddities
LEE
beetleboyjeff ·
I have an alarm as well, with remote central locking. I usually lock the car when I go to pay for fuel, but I don't close the windows. I would soon know if anyone tried to unlock the car - the alarm is quite loud. lol
68AutoBug ·
beetleboyjeff wrote:I have an alarm as well, with remote central locking. I usually lock the car when I go to pay for fuel, but I don't close the windows. I would soon know if anyone tried to unlock the car - the alarm is quite loud. lol
Yes Jeff
My remote alarm is also loud...
so I don't normally lock My car when getting fuel..
haven't installed the electric solenoids as yet..
but always alarm the car...
Lee
Sherbie ·
Don't you hate revenue raising
bajachris88 ·
And they wonder why people hate em?
idiots....
tar76 ·
gone are the days were you pay for your own actions. If i leave my car unlock then it's my fault if something happens. Don't need the police to baby sit us all the time.
68AutoBug ·
PLUS a mother with small kids can't leave the kids in the car to go pay for the fuel.....
Pay windows like McDonalds is the go.... lol
or like in the USA where You pay for Your fuel... first... YIKES..
LEE
1303Steve ·
Hi
So I guess when I leave the keys in my car with the motor running I'm in real trouble, do it every day, its part of my job.
Steve
colonel mustard ·
tar76 wrote:If i leave my car unlock then it's my fault if something happens.
yep. they should leave it at that... its your own choice, and if someone steals that car.... too bad.
68AutoBug ·
1303Steve wrote:Hi
So I guess when I leave the keys in my car with the motor running I'm in real trouble, do it every day, its part of my job.
Steve
YEP
can't go more than 1 meter from your car....
so, many farmers would be trouble every day opening gates etc... too
LEE
waveman1500 ·
That's a ridiculous law, I never would have imagined that they would do something like that in Australia. If you choose to leave your car unlocked, that's your own risk, surely? I do it all the time at petrol stations, and sometimes longer stops if I'm in a quiet area.
What about vintage cars which don't have locks? What about convertibles, does the same law demand that you put your roof up?
I think u will find that petrol station driveways and shopping centre carparks are classed as gazetted roads. :s at least they are in the eyes of insurance companies..
I live in a little country town, and very rarely lock my car in the driveway of my house. Heck sometimes I leave the keys in the ignition overnight ... what a crock of sh*t! Go catch the criminals, and not the bloke who leaves his keys in the car!
cheers Todd 😀
amazeer ·
68AutoBug wrote:PLUS a mother with small kids can't leave the kids in the car to go pay for the fuel.....
Pay windows like McDonalds is the go.... lol
or like in the USA where You pay for Your fuel... first... YIKES..
LEE
That would be a stupid thing to do anyway. Yes, it is terribly inconvenient, but how many times do cars go missing with babies strapped in the back. Every couple of months. Fair enough if your kids are really ugly/little mongrels/you'd rather save your money for a 42 inch plasma, but if there is a bit of love there, dont do it. My daughter is 11, I lock her in all the time. Even before there was a law. BTW this post is sexist. I was a uni student, stay at home dad until my daughter was in year 2.
Petrol is the easy one, you can pay at the bowser at lots of places now. You'll get that in Scone around 2025 shortly after the 2nd set of traffic lights. If you want milk, then it gets tricky.
There is only one revenue raiser law that I can think of, and that is school zones. You can be fined on pupil free days at public schools and during school holidays at private schools. Thats just stupid. And my nearest private school has all the kids being bussed in so shouldnt even be a school zone. Yet the school my daughter goes to occupies a whole block and only the front is a school zone, even though kids come from all directions. duh.
There are a lot of dumb laws, cant argue there. But its not hard to lock a door. This is very low on my list. Here's a good one from where I work. One of my colleagues is in a wheelchair and we have one of those lift things that go he wheels himself onto and it takes him up the stairs. The only thing that can go on that lift is Brendan and his chair because that's all it is designed for. It has a sticker wheelchair use only, everything else is unsafe. Fair enough you dont want to put a fridge on it, but a heavy box of paper? weighing 10-15 kg? Its much safer to carry that down the stairs apparently.
matberry ·
chippy wrote:I live in a little country town, and very rarely lock my car in the driveway of my house. Heck sometimes I leave the keys in the ignition overnight ... what a crock of sh*t! Go catch the criminals, and not the bloke who leaves his keys in the car!
cheers Todd 😀
x2
I always leave the keys in my car at home...in the drive overnight....no problem, 1 advantage of not living in the city. 🙂
It really is pathetic all these stupid laws protecting us from ourselves....it's bureaucracy gone wrong or is that totally biserk!!!
amazeer ·
I would do that too for the insurance, but nobody would steal a ford so there is no point. A distant relative got busted for insurance fraud when somebody "stole" his.
helbus ·
waveman1500 wrote:What about vintage cars which don't have locks? What about convertibles, does the same law demand that you put your roof up?
I was thinking the same thing. I work on old Tourers and Roadsters that have no top or locks.
What would a parent do that has two baby/toddlers, twins or even triplets strapped in the back of the car?
What about a parent with a disabled child that is in a wheelchair in the vehicle?
helbus ·
Just to go on a similar tangent!
I went through a fast food drive through with two under 3 children strapped in and a $5 note.
I looked at the menu and there was only VALUE MEALS shown. I asked the attendant what I could buy for $5 being fries and a burger and they would not help. They said I had to come inside. I said I cant, I want to know what the cost of a fries and burger was, I have $5 blah blah blah. In the end I cracked it, they would not serve me unless I came inside and looked at the menu.
Anyway the head office of the company was very apologetic, and sent me a $10 voucher. However that is irrelevant as it shows how simple service is SHOOT in this day and age. Lets just throw pregnant mums off trains. Lets just throw people with walking sticks off trams. Lets just ride our bikes on the footpath and force parents with prams onto the dirt. Why not just close lift doors on pram drivers too.
amazeer ·
helbus wrote:What would a parent do that has two baby/toddlers, twins or even triplets strapped in the back of the car?
What about a parent with a disabled child that is in a wheelchair in the vehicle?
I dont see it as a relevant argument to the door lock law. Is it safer to leave your kids in an unlocked car than a locked one? If the kids arent old enough to undo the harness and let the handbrake off, or you trust that they wont, you lock the door. Otherwise you take them with you.
68AutoBug ·
Many cars overseas lock all doors with the keys in the ignition..
I thought all states were going to have the same laws...??
LEE
silver ·
Umm some negative posts here the police are just doing there job
MODERATORS clean this up
Stanley ·
I can't lock my car. Not to mention I just throw my keys under the front seat.
and
Give it a rest silver. I you have a personal beef with the mods take it up with the mods
silver ·
Stanley wrote:Give it a rest silver. I you have a personal beef with the mods take it up with the mods
I am
Joel ·
68AutoBug wrote:Many cars overseas lock all doors with the keys in the ignition..
I think that is disabled over here...
yep thats anti hijack, was standard on the more upmarket toyotas that were fully imported in the 70s and 80s
my pops cressida, ex's crown and a mates mk1 soarer all had it.
a good saftey measure but what a pain in the ass
soon as you hit about 25km/h all the doors lock
then unlock when you turned off the engine
sucked for me, going down the driveway i just got fast enough that they all lock then stop to open the gate....locked in 🙄
the alarm in my bug has the provision for it but no way in hell i would hook it up
bajachris88 ·
i bought a central locking/alarm/emobilizer kit that did that. and was only $25 and plugged into the existing central locking of my Toyota Celica
As soon as u put ur foot on the brake for more than 3 seconds with hte car on, the doors would lock with the system (IE: thinking you stopped at lights or intersection etc). As soon as u turned the car off it unlocked and the celica with its original system in the background naturally then would unlock if u tried to lock the car with the keys in but only when the whole car was turned off.
was a trip out but felt secure.
And Silver, i see where ur coming from, but when u personally get burnt by the cops and when they have a fun fair with ya, particularly when u been a local in the area for more than 18 yrs, u take it personally. Try nearly half a grand 5 days before xmas on a uni student wage(I hadn't done xmas shopping yet), to get a car defected that u couldn't afford to fix, so u had to deregister (and am still car-less), and to find that the grounds of the legislation they used to fine u was incorrect and they weren't in a position to judge (by the book) whether i could have stopped at a yellow light or not, for them further to defect the car for a minor exhaust leak (Due to a soft head on the engine), ding in the number plate, no straps on the sub box, crack in the corner parking light. My clean record i had for 3.5 yrs got sh**ted on in an instant.
no straps on teh sub box? what if it was a tool box? u don't need straps for ur golf clubs in the boot. Number plate was only a slight bend... pathetic. I'm trying to get by, i got my own probs, and some hot headed prick comes along and sh*ts on a person whose already struggling. crack in the corner light... geez how fatal. A roo bar on a 4x4 is more dangerous, yet legal.
Then to get told that it wasn't the way i drove, it was the fact i brought attention to myself (quote from the cop).
It was only a simple trip to Aldi's to get bread and milk for my mum, and my little brother was in the car with me.
So, then i bought a $400 car to replace the one i couldn't afford to fix, i did the rust repair work and fixed it in a week by spares and reconditioning from stuff i had, to have it blow up 2 nights later after getting it registered, for the engine to be dying on the way home with it sounded aweful and me freaked/scared sh**less, to have a fat bitch street cop at the side of the road swear at me from the kerb while i'm panicing (cursing at me, how professional, i could of had young kids in the back) whilst she could obviously see i was in a bit of trouble. I made it home... just before it completely died.
Now u can see where i come from. Before paying the fines i asked the queensland transport department about how to go with court, and even the office ladies behind the counter of the cop shop, no one had no idea on the process.... sigh. No one could help me. The fine was too close to the due date for me to suss it out.
NOTE: the blown motor... hence the advertisement in the signature...
bajachris88 ·
Oh! sorry Silver, i understand whats going on now... ur just pissed cause of the moderators and the excuse for the superpcruise thread going, yet there's negativity here... I wasn't having a dig at ya, just justifying why i have a negative stance to the local police. Although still, if i am in trouble, i still gotta give them the call and rely on them. Which sux... i haven't got many cousins to call for help lol
h ·
68AutoBug wrote:
h wrote:nsw.. haha sucks to be you guys.. 😀
Where do you live????
I thought all states were going to have the same laws...??
LEE
currently between the deep south - vicco n the land of sunshine n lollipops..
queenslander! 🙂
but the bestest part of nsw is I can drive thru it.. 😂
oh n valla of course 👍
jjwebb123 ·
absolutely ridiculous,im sure half these people who think of these rules,never actually THINK,im sure they do excatly what everyone else does in the state yet they dont think of that.I bet they never get booked.
1500S ·
68AutoBug wrote:Many cars overseas lock all doors with the keys in the ignition..
Hi Lee. Even the lowly Falcadore has the facility to program the doors to lock when transmission is in drive since at least 2003. Stops the bastards getting in when stopped at traffic lights as long as the windows are up!!
Also, not uncommon for some creep to crawl into the back seat area whilst the owner of the unlocked car is in paying for the petrol. Could be your wife, sister or girlfriend on the end of this robbery, rape or murder. Time for many to think about the positive side to the law rather than completely knock it!
DH
68AutoBug ·
Hi Dallas,
its probably second nature to someone in a City or overseas....
but it just doesn't happen in the Upper Hunter... lol
OK on keeping You keys out of the ignition when getting fuel
as I always think that I wouldn't want someone to jump into My beetle and drive off...
and OK with cars with central remote locking....
imagine having to lock 4 doors in an older car....
and then use the key to unlock the drivers door... etc..
same as having to wind up Your windows .....
I would definately do ALL those things if I was in Sydney etc..
or even Newcastle...
but fining people in the country....
many country people still leave their keys in their cars when they get petrol... windows down etc...
and if just popping into Woolworths... windows down...
or windows up and air con on and engine running....
same as they do when opening gates etc... or checking their mail boxes... on the side of the road...
having the laws is OK... but warnings are OK too....
cheers
LEE
68AutoBug ·
Wow...
Yes Chis,
I can see that the police aren't Your favorite person at the moment....
A dented number plate..??
cracked light??
I drove a Magna for about 8 years with both of those things...
My Suzuki Swift I bought in december already has a cracked tail lamp where someone has knocked it while parking...
and a chipped windscreen... on the drivers side...
In NSW in the country...
the normal police are usually friendly....
the highway Patrol officers are out to book anyone at anytime for any offence...
including fining interstate P platers for having their P plates inside the car.... in which they lose their licence...
and they love their job....
LEE as i see it...
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68AutoBug ·
matberry wrote:
chippy wrote:I live in a little country town, and very rarely lock my car in the driveway of my house. Heck sometimes I leave the keys in the ignition overnight ... what a crock of sh*t! Go catch the criminals, and not the bloke who leaves his keys in the car!
cheers Todd 😀
x2
I always leave the keys in my car at home...in the drive overnight....no problem, 1 advantage of not living in the city. 🙂
It really is pathetic all these stupid laws protecting us from ourselves....it's bureaucracy gone wrong or is that totally biserk!!!
the people who leave their keys in their cars are easier to find and fine.....
I have no problems with the "normal" police in the country who usually go about their duty...
and leave the people alone...
unless they are really breaking the law...
or are dangerous to other people... etc...
When there is a large function on in Scone... people park in the centre of the road, around the corners etc... anywhere..
on footpaths... etc...
I've never heard of anyone being booked because of it...
LEE
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RED62E ·
If the Police were at a service station then it is a fair bet it was due to someone complaining about something.
It's not a matter of the spin the bottle for offence enforcement each day. 🤪
A Service Station is a Road related area so the rules apply.
As for the argument about leaving kids in cars unattended. Kids have died in such instances. 😬 Thats why the government passed that law.
Just recently there were 2 kids in a car that was jacked. Was in all the papers and tv media.
Why not take your complaints to your local member who is part of the Government that passes these rules?? 🥲
ancientbugger ·
How the hell am I ever going to be able to fill up my buggy at the petrol station and then pay?? Drive it through the front doors or just throw the money at the attendant so I don't get too far from it? What's the saying about common sense isn't that common, for crying out loud these people who think up these laws must just sit in their offices trying to qualify their jobs. I'm not bitching about the coppers here as they're just the messengers but where is the sense in this, we actually have this happening in Noosa already so I'm just waiting for a fine🙅
Escort ·
i dont know about nsw. but we are starting to get petrol stations where there are no shops/attendants or anything. you pay for it all first by card and that is all..you dont have to leave the pump. In WA that is
amazeer ·
amazeer wrote:
68AutoBug wrote:PLUS a mother with small kids can't leave the kids in the car to go pay for the fuel.....
Pay windows like McDonalds is the go.... lol
or like in the USA where You pay for Your fuel... first... YIKES..
LEE
That would be a stupid thing to do anyway. Yes, it is terribly inconvenient, but how many times do cars go missing with babies strapped in the back. Every couple of months. Fair enough if your kids are really ugly/little mongrels/you'd rather save your money for a 42 inch plasma, but if there is a bit of love there, dont do it. My daughter is 11, I lock her in all the time. Even before there was a law. BTW this post is sexist. I was a uni student, stay at home dad until my daughter was in year 2.
RED62E wrote:If the Police were at a service station then it is a fair bet it was due to someone complaining about something.
It's not a matter of the spin the bottle for offence enforcement each day. 🤪
A Service Station is a Road related area so the rules apply.
As for the argument about leaving kids in cars unattended. Kids have died in such instances. 😬 Thats why the government passed that law.
Just recently there were 2 kids in a car that was jacked. Was in all the papers and tv media.
Why not take your complaints to your local member who is part of the Government that passes these rules?? 🥲
I've been told by a Police Officer that when the Highway patrols have nothing to do...
tha's when they go about doing this other stuff...
annoying ordinary people..... lol
LEE
zayus ·
Guys,
Besides VDU.88A, did anyone actually read the law?
There is no way a cop could be issuing tickets to citizens, who leave their unattended car unlocked, while at the local service station.
donn ·
Page 10 part 213 states that if you are more than 3 m from your vehicle when you leave it on a road then you must lock it up (there are a few exceptions) but my understanding is that a servo is still a road according to the law, so it appears that they can book you tho I have never spoken to any one who has personaly been booked for this offence anywhere. But then I am not an expert in matters of the law. 🙅
Wannavee ·
silver wrote:Umm some negative posts here the police are just doing there job
MODERATORS clean this up
Obviously the cops are NOT doing their job if theyre out busting people for some bullshit law coz theyre bored sitting in a carpark!
Go and buy some donuts.That should keep you occupied till a REAL police matter comes along!
bnicho ·
I'm glad I don't live in NSW anymore. How would I lock the Moke? Put the top up everytime and padlock the zippers? 🙅
HappyDaze ·
Wannavee wrote:
silver wrote:Umm some negative posts here the police are just doing there job
MODERATORS clean this up
Obviously the cops are NOT doing their job if theyre out busting people for some bullshit law coz theyre bored sitting in a carpark!
Go and buy some donuts.That should keep you occupied till a REAL police matter comes along!
I suppose you could say that if they were doing a REALLY GOOD job, there would be no need to lock your car - there would be no car thieves out there!
You need to lock your IF IT CAN BE LOCKED, by the way.
Cheers, Greg
Super1302 ·
any government agency these days is a joke all beaureacrats and in it for themselves; they dont care, they dont listen, as long as the money is coming in.
frank2112 ·
68AutoBug wrote:Many cars overseas lock all doors with the keys in the ignition..
The wife's Pt Cruiser locks the doors when you drive away and reach 24 km/h. It's weird until you get used to it.
Isn't it also illegal to lock your kids in the car. The two laws contradict themselves.
We had pay pay at the bowser at our local Mobil servo. The card readers were always unavailable pecially on weekends) so you had to go in and pay at the counter. Obviously they figured out that they were losing too much money with no-one coming into the shop.