Well iv been posting like crazy on here and with with all you guys help finaly have my first VW in the garage...
Shes a 1967 type 3 1600 Notch.. this is one of the cleanest notches iv ever seen.. 100% stock standard down to the point of still having the paint stickers on the inside of the panels.. Its had 2 owners and for the past 4 years sat in a garage.. before that it pretty much sat in a garage most its life too.. its got around 50,000 Miles on the clock atm..
Plans include. Lowering, New wheels , overriders, clear indicators, A fully stealth stero install using all the best audio gear and a full alarm with central locking.. After all this has been done i will be looking into the Engine, Braking and the electrics.. 12 V conversion.. New headlights.. ignition etc.. And what ever else pops up down the track..
So heres some pics of the pickup yesterday.
Cheers Vice
vicelore ·
grogy ·
very nice , hard to find original clean cars
beetleboy88 ·
holy crap! excellent find!! looks new! how much did she set you back?
zocstar ·
Wow man that very neat. How much did you score it for.
vicelore ·
Thanks for the comments guys..
Payed 10k cash.. not cheap but its extremly clean as you can see in the pics..
Cheers Vice
Burrelli ·
Vice that is a very nice Notch. It's like no other 67 1600 I've seen before, 1600 on the deck lid looks 67 but no mustache on the bonet and no over riders like a 1500 and an early interior. Lots of things make it look early to me but the body No. will tell you. That is a great looking car. Enjoy.
ian.mezz ·
great car to modify. get stuck in and start cutting.🤪😂🤪
vicelore ·
Yup thats why i had the big thread on 1500 and 1600 differences.. Would love to know how to read the VIN number and find out if you can link me.. Iv looked on the samba but couldnt make sence of it..
Cheers Vice
ian.mezz ·
A good Aussie name like bluey😊😊
Burrelli ·
Vice Aussie cars have there own body numbering system. They changed to it some time in early 60s I think (some one will know). The 3rd digit in your body No. is the year. The No. is on the tunnel under the back seat. If it is a 67 it should have a 7, I think your car may have a 5.
vicelore ·
Yup i checked that Burrelli.. Its defently a 7.. Looked under the seat and on the plate on the front..
Cheers Vice..
silver ·
Dont name it! drive it! oh and the best money you can spend on a car is getting good insurance
oh by the way, real nice notch😎
vicelore ·
Got it insured before i left the garage where i baught it.. And yup iv been driving it like crazy done about 90ks in 2 days.. in rain...
Cheers Vice
Burrelli ·
How about that. I have read in 67 VW Australia made many unusual variations of the Type3 using up parts before the CKD kits came from Germany.
To me your car looks like a VW1500 from 65 in a lot of ways.
Things that I would look at are has it been repainted? If it has have someone taken the mustache off the front because I thought all 1600s had them.
Are there marks where over riders were? also thought 1600s had those. Why would any one take them off?
Wird 2 tone interior like early car but not the same I don't think. I would have thought 67s have single colour interior.
Your engine No. seems right for the year to me but I'm not 100% sure. The 1600 badge looks like one from 67.
In 67 they made something called an improved 1500 is this car one? Looks like a 1500 with 1600 engine. I assumed an improved 1500 would be like a 1500n from 66 with more chrome or something. I hope your car is how it came from the factory because if it is its COOL.
dangerous ·
I had a 67 notch in the eighties that was the same as that only white(originally).
Wide five six volt but '67 pan numbers. Must have been CKD since it had "made in Western Gernany" on the front tag.
Same tail lights, reflectors, no mustash nor overriders, and VW1600 badge etc.
Mine had a dual port 1600, but cant recall f it was the correct numbers.
It began very rusty even in the eighties.
I think you are right Richie, leftovers.
vicelore ·
Leftovers dosent sound the best.. haha
But yea its all origional as far as i know.. Never been painted.. still has the stickers from the factory from when it was painted..
Found some other cool stuff in the car as iv been looking over it.. Its seriously just been locked in a shed for most its life by the looks of it..
Cheers Vice
vicelore ·
1500S ·
Burrelli wrote:How about that. I have read in 67 VW Australia made many unusual variations of the Type3 using up parts before the CKD kits came from Germany.
To me your car looks like a VW1500 from 65 in a lot of ways.
Things that I would look at are has it been repainted? If it has have someone taken the mustache off the front because I thought all 1600s had them.
Are there marks where over riders were? also thought 1600s had those. Why would any one take them off?
Wird 2 tone interior like early car but not the same I don't think. I would have thought 67s have single colour interior.
Your engine No. seems right for the year to me but I'm not 100% sure. The 1600 badge looks like one from 67.
In 67 they made something called an improved 1500 is this car one? Looks like a 1500 with 1600 engine. I assumed an improved 1500 would be like a 1500n from 66 with more chrome or something. I hope your car is how it came from the factory because if it is its COOL.
From 1964, the Notch and Square in OZ didn't have overriders or bonnet mustache until the 1969 models appeared so in that way, nothing has been taken off. If others have had them over the years they have had them added since leaving the production line. The Fasty was the only one from '66 to '68 to retain both. I think it was somewhere around 1967 that the roll top backrests on front seats appeared. The two tone vinyl only relates to the door cards and rear quarter cards which was still correct for that year. I had a Square around this 67 vintage with the roll top backrest. It still didn't have the backrest locks and still had the push in locks at the inside handle, not the pushbutton as on Vice's Notch (just looked at an old pic of it!)
DH
1500S ·
dangerous wrote:I had a 67 notch in the eighties that was the same as that only white(originally).
Wide five six volt but '67 pan numbers. Must have been CKD since it had "made in Western Gernany" on the front tag.
Same tail lights, reflectors, no mustash nor overriders, and VW1600 badge etc.
Mine had a dual port 1600, but cant recall f it was the correct numbers.
It began very rusty even in the eighties.
I think you are right Richie, leftovers.
That was the same basic specs as my '67 Square Dave including the rust in the front parts but that was in the early 70s! 6 volt yes with the first of the dual port 1600 engines.
DH
Burrelli ·
Thanks for that 1500S I have only been involved with Aussie Type3s from that era that are 66 fastbacks. I have been looking at too many German cars in mags and on the internet and was wrong in thinking that Aussie 1600 squares and notchs had the same stuff as my fastback. When ever I seen a car like that I,d think it was a 1500. Are you saying dual ports came out in late 67? Wow did not know that either.
1500S ·
Burrelli wrote:Thanks for that 1500S I have only been involved with Aussie Type3s from that era that are 66 fastbacks. I have been looking at too many German cars in mags and on the internet and was wrong in thinking that Aussie 1600 squares and notchs had the same stuff as my fastback. When ever I seen a car like that I,d think it was a 1500. Are you saying dual ports came out in late 67? Wow did not know that either.
Not sure what month they started with the dual ports but would have been about mid 67 from memory. I got rid of that Square in 1974 as well as any paperwork with rego info. Only one photo of left side with door open to remember it by!! No doubt there will be all sorts of reasons for the dual port heads but the primary change to them would have been forced upon VW by the Merkins for the fuel injection pipes. Under standard setup, there was no benefit over the single port dual carb engine with regards to output power. Even though the fuel injection was in Europe and the US in '68, I don't think we got it until 1970 in the body update models. There may have been a few imported 68-69 models here. The Notches had the bump on the left inside of rear boot for the black box from around 68 but never cut out. Likewise with the side panel of the Fastys. There have been a few "genuine no accident 1964 Notches" around over the years but the black box bump gives it away that at least the left rear quarter has been replaced with a much later part.
DH
vicelore ·
So i take it 1500s you do still think shes a 67 ?? I was looking at that Racv tag i found inside her and it said expires in 73 and the membership years was 9.. would that mean member in 64 ?? its still got that same rego number on the car thats listed on that piece of paper ??
Cheers Vice
1500S ·
It's looks like a genuine 67 with what's on it. Certainly not a 64. Maybe the original owner had the RACV membership transferred from another vehicle??
DH
Notchbacktastic ·
That's incredible! Guard that with your life buddy, well done!
ryana89 ·
Great find!
Love the type 3's
Scarab will be jealous😂
vicelore ·
Oh ok awesome 1500s.. I was really interested in its histroy as its soo origional.. So good to hear that the numbers and the model features match..
Now the big question guys.. What wheels should i be putting on her.. i was thinking either Brms or chrome Fuches.. Any ideas guys ?? also which size do you guys think..
Cheers Vice
empi ·
Brms will bolt straigt on with correct size tyre , Fuchs u will need to convert the car to disc and change stud pattern (Like on grey car)
Scarab ·
ryana89 wrote:Great find!
Love the type 3's
Scarab will be jealous😂
😂 hahaha...sure am jealous (not of the price tag though, I couldnt afford that sort of coin)!!!! That is a beauty for sure though!👍
Congrats on the new purchase and will certainly look forward to seeing your new mods etc. Love it!!👍
Scarab (aka: Paul)
ian.mezz ·
empi wrote:Brms will bolt straigt on with correct size tyre , Fuchs u will need to convert the car to disc and change stud pattern (Like on grey car)
yer get into to it and start changing stuff🤪 Fuchs are pretty, I have them on my red bug
Burrelli ·
dangerous wrote:Must have been CKD since it had "made in Western Gernany" on the front tag.
Dave my TS Fasty has "made in Germany" on it too but it's an Aussie car. Just not enought of it made in Australia to say that. A lot of people think they are fully imported because of that.
Burrelli ·
empi wrote:Brms will bolt straigt on with correct size tyre , Fuchs u will need to convert the car to disc and change stud pattern (Like on grey car)
empi are you sure BRMs will bolt straight on? What tyre? Which BRM repro? I've seen offsets of +5,+10,+14 and Isac on this form said his were +25 (which I'd think should fit) but even his rubbed the rear guards with 165s and he went to short axles. We tried to put Flat4 ones on a fasty(not mine) with 175/80 tyres and no way.
empi ·
Yeah more than likely have to do axle swap , not uncommon for a type 3 , if you have a pre 64 car the wheels bolt on no probs as the drums are thinner and this achieves clearance. Take a look at the pics of my red notch in members rides, i had a plethora of different wheels on that car over the years and diddnt have to modify anything.
hellbugged ·
very very nice notch, well done!
dangerous ·
ian.mezz wrote:A good Aussie name like bluey😊😊
...or how about Skylore🤓
vicelore ·
Hahaha Skylore. I like that.. But im going for a nice german girls name.. I was looking up some and liked Etta, Meaning the little one. Not sure yet gonna keep looking for a bit..
Cheers Vice.
13b type 3 ·
fantastic find, good work.
i name all my cars, my type 3 is called clarabel and my kombi is called mikey
vicelore ·
Now officialy named Etta.. German girls name meaning little one..
Cheers Vice.
empi ·
😵💫
empi ·
dipped.
vicelore ·
Ok guys..
well with the huge help from Empi and Vinnie iv got some new pics of Etta after a 6 hour long lowering session.. Very happy with the results..
Before.. ( had the new 135s on the front..)
The cutting began !!
Then some shots of it all finished..
Over all very happy with the hight and the ride is now exceptional..
Cheers Vice.
Thanks again guys. Fucking great bunch of blokes.
vicelore ·
We also removed the outer trim off the weels for a bit more effect..
Cheers Vice
empi ·
6hrs...that includes some nuggets going up the street for drinks and locking their keys in a fastback!!!!🙅
Scarab ·
whoa....Etta looks Betta!! 😀
Nice work guys....love it!
Scarab (aka: Paul)
SuperOwen ·
Try putting the wheel trims back on, they make the car look classy!
baghall ·
Very nice vice! Love to see such a great notch. Love type 3s, especially the notch.
vicelore ·
Well Etta got her first speeding fine today.. 105ks in a 100 zone on eastlink..
Very proud of the old girl, I knew she had it in her haha..
must get around to learning to convert miles to Ks with a 135 on the front hahaha..
Cheers Vice
vicelore ·
Well iv been Saving and researching wheel and tyre options for the girl and came to the decision of BRMs.
Main reason was not having to change the drive line at all due to the same studd pattern.
I went and purchased some out the classifides section on here. They are 15x4.5`s in silver. I was after the black option but went these as i had been told the Offset on these would be easier to fit.
So this is where im up to after trial fitting the rear left wheel.. Got it down and rollable after letting the car settle over the new wheels but have a area along the inner edge of the arch about 5 inches long that rubs..
Now my Two options that i know of would be to have the inner lip rolled up , This would be virtually unnoticable but would change the very origional condition body work that i would prefer to leave un changed.
The other that i have only herd mentioned is a axle swap. Not really sure what this includes but herd its allot of work.
Whats your guys opions on the problem ?
Cheers Vice
Pollywaffle ·
It's looking fantastic mate. I love the new wheels.
If it were me, I'd get it rolled. I understand your choice to keep it all original, but changing the axle sounds like quite a large job. Then again, I've had no experience in things like that. But it sounds like the easier option and I believe it's quite common.
Burrelli ·
Find some one who knows the parts needed and how to do a short axle conversion. You will be happier in the end.
Barnabie ·
Love the new stance Vice, looks awesome 😁
Scarab ·
Hey Vice!
Etta looks nice on the BRMs, but as you said, it seems a shame to roll those beautiful OG guards.
Ive been doing a lot of research myself while saving the pennies, and cam across this thread on Thesamba regarding the short axle conversion.
Its a pretty comprehensive run down on how to do the job....hope it helps mate!
do notch have two type of axle tubes long and short like beetle???
If so you could put short tubes in
Barnabie ·
More pics Vice!! Wanna check Etta out once she's rollin' on the BRMs 😁
vicelore ·
Hey guys.
Thanks for the kind words about Etta, I really am liking the way they look on her but still havent got it to a drivable state yet.
I think I am going to go down the Short axle route. So Thanks heaps Scarab for that link. Just the kinda info im after. Now all i need to do is learn what all the part names hes using are and go about fetching them. Anyone who has done this I would love any info you can give me.
Cheers Vice. PS more pics will come as it comes along. I might do a write up on the process.
Pollywaffle ·
Out of curiosity, what is the width of the tyres you purchased?
vicelore ·
4.5in wheels mate standard 165s on the back 135s on the front.
Thats the reason i went with silver ( I was after black ) As far as id seen you can only get them in 5.5 over here.
but the ones i got are imported ones that have been in a shed for the last 4 years. So no idea where they came from but he said the UK somwhere.
I think these also have a different Offset ( dunno how much that helped, As i havent tried the 5.5 ones on her)
Cheers Vice
Pollywaffle ·
Ohh ok. I think the offset would have had something to do with it. That's why I asked about the tyre width. I just put 185's on a 5.5" wide rim and they fitted fine all round. I bought them in Australia though. Then again, our Type 3's are different year models.
vicelore ·
Yea man. All BRM`s dont fit type 3s standard. The ones I baught are meant to be the closest offset to standard i can find.
Cheers
Vice
Pollywaffle ·
Oh, that makes sense then. Hmm. Good luck with the short axle conversion then 🙂
Scarab ·
If you need any help with part names etc. I may be able to help you mate, let me know.
I thought that thread on the Samba was excellent with regard to working out the differences.....I'll definitely be doing it to my notch when it comes time....its a bare chassis at the moment.
Your wheels do look good though, and it will be nice to see them tuckin under nicely in the rear.
Scarab (aka: Paul)
empi ·
Pollywaffle yr car is IRS, Vice's is swing axle
vicelore ·
Welcome to the party, Empi..
Pollywaffle ·
Thanks empi. I'm still a nub with this stuff 😊
vicelore ·
Well fitted up the front wheels today, and to my suprise and excitment they went on perfectly. Tested with people in it full lock both ways and no touching at all..
Heres some pics for you guys.. Getting excited seeing it now.. Cant wait to get it driving and some centre caps in them.. And some white walls 🙂
Cheers Vice
Pollywaffle ·
Looks fantastic! Glad you got that sorted out.
Barnabie ·
Vice, that looks the ducks nuts! 👍👍👍
You gonna get a set of actual white wall tyres or a set of flappers?
Kris.
Scarab ·
that looks really great mate!! The rear looks like there i clearance, but I guess if there is any weight in it, it would rub unfortunately.
You really have a lovely notch....I am VERY jealous!! 🥲
Scarab (aka: Paul)
vicelore ·
Well had a interesting suprise after test fitting the second front wheel ( RHS ) this seems to be a good CM closer to the guard than the LHS wheel. Which now has it rubbing on full lock. And really wrecked my day. These wheels are just getting worse and worse.. Very sick of throwing money into the VW pitt atm..
Has anyone seen this before ??
Cheers Vice
vicelore ·
Well after a bit more looking around today iv found out that the difference is caused by the LHS front being .5 of a Cm lower than the RHS.
Im pretty sure when i raise up the RHS all will be good with the fitment, Then on to the short axle conversion !!!
Cheers Vice 😀
Pollywaffle ·
Glad to hear you got this figured out!
jamiec ·
love the car and those wheels realy look great on it.
vicelore ·
Well bit of progress today.
Got up this morning with my mind set on getting Etta back to a drivable state. So atm iv got stock wheels on the back ( they dont rub at this hight)
But had the front drivers side sitting a bit lower tha the left and rubbing on full lock.
When the car was lowered last time i helped out but didnt get my head around every step fully. But after just getting in there and giving it a go I successfully raised it a outer spline and its now perfectly even with the left side and has a good cm of clearance on full lock.
Now on to the short axle swap !!!
Cheers Vice.
baghall ·
Looking great! Keep up the great work Vice!
vicelore ·
Thaught id post a update on the girl. Went ahead with allot of help from EMPI and put in the short axles.. Love the new stance and the fact that its a fully bolt in option.
Heres some pics of what she looks like now.
SebastienPeek ·
Looks beautiful mate,
nothing like a bloody clean notchback!
vicelore ·
Cheers man.. Was just reading your cars post.. Looking good too !! love the name.. I have 2 dogs one named Link and a new puppie called Navi !!
Vice.
SebastienPeek ·
Thanks man!
Ahaha yeah, my next VW will be called Link, I'm hoping that I can get another one as well one day and call it Navi.
Glad to see fellow Zelda lovers on here!
😀
Aussie ·
That is a cool car 🙅 Whats next on the to-do list?
vicelore ·
Iv had some battery issues with it going dead within days of being brand new and not driven, So gonna try get that sorted next.
Then its time for some accessories..
hellbugged ·
yeah sweet ride
nice 1/4 pipe tucked neatly in the all weather garage by the way
azzatron ·
Lovely ride mate.
Was it much of a pain doing the short axles conversion? How much did parts cost approximately?
Cheers
vicelore ·
From memory the parts whernt to bad.
It will take a couple of lates night with tho with 2 of you. And i had some very experianced hands helping me.
We ended up fully pulling the gear box out twice.
The costs from what i can rember where.
Short axles $150
Seals & Bearings $120
Fluids $50
Oh i also had to have the brake drums down which stung me $50.
We also had to buy a few tools like long circlip pliers and a few other things.
Cheers Vice
empi ·
Forgot to add Beer to the list!!
vicelore ·
Yea a fair few pissed nights at yours... Oh and Pizza..
vicelore ·
Well if fully fixed the battery draining problem iv had, It turned out that it was the clock draing the battery when it was sitting in the garage.
I fould this by going into the car at night and noticed the clock slightly illuminated. I then hit the lights, This turned on the other 2 gauges but switched off the clock light. Again turning the lights off turned off the other 2 gauges but turned on the clock..
Solution i just unpluged the clock, And tapped up the connections.
Now the batterys perfect and shes starting extremly well for a car thats only started once a week.
Been getting her out every weekend now as the weather has been good down here.