After the debacle of me telling vicelore his car looked like a 1965 1500 when it is a 1967 1600 and a very original as well. I was thinking we could start a thread or possibly a sticky the shows the differences between these Australian cars and German ones. I think the Australian-produced type3s started at the end of July 1963. When did the CKD cars start? 1500s says 1969.
I have an as original as you get these days 1966 1600TS Fastback VW Model 312s first registed 11/66. I've read the first Australian Fastys were April 66. My dad had an earlier one than me back in the day (Black red interior😎)body No.316151435. Regested 9/66. Who has the oldest?
I could show some pics of what my fasty has. Vicelores car looks to be a great example of a 67 Notch and I'm sure 1500s has a heaps of stuff he could show us.
RB.
vicelore ·
Smiles all around.. Be good to get the facts out there for people rather than reading through one hundred of my posts..
Id be happy to post up some pics in here if need be
Cheers Vice..
1500S ·
Good to see posts like this so we can get info on our Type 3s. Not sure if I actually said 1969 for CKD but from Phil Matthews, to save you all sifting around looking for info, see:
1968
VW Australasia announces that Australian VW manufacture would cease immediately, and all future VWs would be either CKD assembled or fully imported. The $50 million investment in the Australian plant was written off. The useful machinery, tooling and equipment is sold to VW’s other factories in South Africa, Mexico and Brazil. Other general equipment is sold to Holden and Ford. The Clayton plant was completely stripped out, and refitted for CKD assembly only.
The Deluxe Australian Beetle ends in March, and is replaced by fully imported German-made 1500 Beetles, in both manual and semi-automatic versions. Australian buyers effectively move from a 1961 to a 1968 Beetle in one month. New body shell, 53-bhp 1500cc motor, 12-volt electrics, ball joint front with twin-circuit disc brakes, new front and rear lights, safety dashboard, collapsible steering column, and many other changes. CKD kits arrive from September and local assembly of manuals begins, but semi-auto Beetles were to remain fully imported. The Australian Custom model continues to be built until all manufacturing ends in September.
The Transporter is upgraded to the T2 model, with full width curved windscreen, ball joint front suspension, four CV-joint rear suspension and 1600cc engine. These are locally assembled from CKD kits. The Type 3 range is also converted back to CKD assembly. The engines are upgraded to 1600cc across the range.
1969 however was when the Notch and Square had the extra "bright work" which the Fasty had from 1966.
DH
Burrelli ·
Great 1500S. So should my post say 1963-1967? Is there Aussie cars like vices with a 318 body No.? Or did they sell 317 body No. cars into 68 to use them up? When could you buy a CKD car?
1500S ·
Burrelli wrote:Great 1500S. So should my post say 1963-1967? Is there Aussie cars like vices with a 318 body No.? Or did they sell 317 body No. cars into 68 to use them up? When could you buy a CKD car?
Would have been great if actual "first month of delivery" was able to be given instead of just year in our history although the number does give a close approximation. I have read on here somewhere that the chassis numbering system we had was unique to Australia but the info on The Samba gives the same numbering system from 1964. Was the unique ones only to do with the Panel Van Type 3?? I thought there was something like that but???????? Even though I owned a 1964 Notch and 1967 Square OZ produced/assembled as well as two 1972 Squares, I was more focused on the imported models of 64 and 65 back then but could never find one in one piece for sale.. I actually hated the pre 64 imported Notch and Square due to the total lack of shiny trim and the horrible interior. I say that due to the fact that within 3 years the cloth seat material was falling apart. The vinyl stuff in the 64-65 imports didn't survive much better and within the 3-4 years was starting to split. I was only generally interested over the 40 odd years of trim differences, especially between imported and locally produced ones.
One thing for sure is that some of the Type 3 range in the early years are about as rare as early Bugs. In the case of the imported "S" there may be as few as 3 notches left in the country which are serviceable. There may not be any Variant S vehicles left even if they were imported into the country.
An interesting subject, even if it is only for us Type 3 Junkies!!
DH
Burrelli ·
vicelore wrote:Smiles all around.. Be good to get the facts out there for people rather than reading through one hundred of my posts..
Id be happy to post up some pics in here if need be
Cheers Vice..
Vice what would be good to see on here from your car is Body No. and engine No. or most of them. Does any one know why Vice should not put the whole lot on here? In QLD I drive around with my body No. on my rego label. Also I'd like to see pics of
The body colour
Interior
1600 badge on the deck lid
Is the engine a twin port? Interesting any how
Hub cap because there not painted in the centre like my 66
RB.
Burrelli ·
1500S wrote:
Burrelli wrote:Great 1500S. So should my post say 1963-1967? Is there Aussie cars like vices with a 318 body No.? Or did they sell 317 body No. cars into 68 to use them up? When could you buy a CKD car?
Would have been great if actual "first month of delivery" was able to be given instead of just year in our history although the number does give a close approximation. I have read on here somewhere that the chassis numbering system we had was unique to Australia but the info on The Samba gives the same numbering system from 1964. Was the unique ones only to do with the Panel Van Type 3?? I thought there was something like that but???????? Even though I owned a 1964 Notch and 1967 Square OZ produced/assembled as well as two 1972 Squares, I was more focused on the imported models of 64 and 65 back then but could never find one in one piece for sale.. I actually hated the pre 64 imported Notch and Square due to the total lack of shiny trim and the horrible interior. I say that due to the fact that within 3 years the cloth seat material was falling apart. The vinyl stuff in the 64-65 imports didn't survive much better and within the 3-4 years was starting to split. I was only generally interested over the 40 odd years of trim differences, especially between imported and locally produced ones.
One thing for sure is that some of the Type 3 range in the early years are about as rare as early Bugs. In the case of the imported "S" there may be as few as 3 notches left in the country which are serviceable. There may not be any Variant S vehicles left even if they were imported into the country.
An interesting subject, even if it is only for us Type 3 Junkies!!
DH
Yes all true and I used to think the same way but world wide a 1500s is no where near a rare as Vices car.
type3lover ·
My notch has 318022648 stamped on tunnel and compliance plate. Says "Made in Germany" on the plate but I am told it was built in Australia.
Was purchased new in Jan 1969 from Lanock motors in Sydney according to the logbook.
Had drum brakes all round on wide 5's, factory 12 volt, fuel filler under bonnet, black wiper knob and headlight knob to name a few.
I'll let you know if I think of anything else that was perhaps out of place.
Burrelli ·
type3lover wrote:My notch has 318022648 stamped on tunnel and compliance plate. Says "Made in Germany" on the plate but I am told it was built in Australia.
Was purchased new in Jan 1969 from Lanock motors in Sydney according to the logbook.
Had drum brakes all round on wide 5's, factory 12 volt, fuel filler under bonnet, black wiper knob and headlight knob to name a few.
I'll let you know if I think of anything else that was perhaps out of place.
Cool I'd heard of 12v cars like that but didn't know they were 68. A pic of the dash would be great!
1500S ·
type3lover wrote:My notch has 318022648 stamped on tunnel and compliance plate. Says "Made in Germany" on the plate but I am told it was built in Australia.
Was purchased new in Jan 1969 from Lanock motors in Sydney according to the logbook.
Had drum brakes all round on wide 5's, factory 12 volt, fuel filler under bonnet, black wiper knob and headlight knob to name a few.
I'll let you know if I think of anything else that was perhaps out of place.
I think you will find that most, if not all Type 3 compliance plates have Made In Germany on them regardless of which country they were made/assembled in. Your 68 would be one of the unsold ones still on the floor in 69 after the new model came out and was most likely sold with a good discount. There were maybe a few earlier than 69 vehicles imported which had the disc brakes but generally accepted they were here on the 1969 model along with the double joint rear end and first full auto gearbox. The locally assembled ones were using up the scrap box with all the drum brakes etc in them. Anything unique on these vehicles generally only belongs to Australia.
DH
cruiser ·
I have recently asked on the samba about the number tag spot welded to the body that is behind the spare wheel. Nobody knew anything about it so I guess it's an Oz thing/body number ?
Type3lover I thought all 68 were 4 stud wheels? mine is 318200071 so not much newer than yours. 4 stud wheels, 12 volt, discs up front, heated seats etc 😉
Burrelli ·
cruiser wrote:I have recently asked on the samba about the number tag spot welded to the body that is behind the spare wheel. Nobody knew anything about it so I guess it's an Oz thing/body number ?
Type3lover I thought all 68 were 4 stud wheels? mine is 318200071 so not much newer than yours. 4 stud wheels, 12 volt, discs up front, heated seats etc 😉
I just looked a my fasty and it has the plate as well. I think you are right body number, mine starts with 312 Fastback. I never noticed it was a different number to the pan.
Apparently at the end of Aussie cars they made many variations. Does your car have a fuel flap?
cruiser ·
Burrelli wrote:
cruiser wrote:I have recently asked on the samba about the number tag spot welded to the body that is behind the spare wheel. Nobody knew anything about it so I guess it's an Oz thing/body number ?
Type3lover I thought all 68 were 4 stud wheels? mine is 318200071 so not much newer than yours. 4 stud wheels, 12 volt, discs up front, heated seats etc 😉
I just looked a my fasty and it has the plate as well. I think you are right body number, mine starts with 312 Fastback. I never noticed it was a different number to the pan.
Apparently at the end of Aussie cars they made many variations. Does your car have a fuel flap?
I have the fuel flap that you open with your finger.
I did not realize until a week ago when I saw a FB that the later cars also have a flap release cable under the dash. All modern conveniences in 1970.
Stanley ·
Good read guys
I have I believe a '69 model notch with the disc front, IRS rear and 4 stud wheels and I drive it every day.
Burrelli ·
cruiser wrote:
Burrelli wrote:
cruiser wrote:I have recently asked on the samba about the number tag spot welded to the body that is behind the spare wheel. Nobody knew anything about it so I guess it's an Oz thing/body number ?
Type3lover I thought all 68 were 4 stud wheels? mine is 318200071 so not much newer than yours. 4 stud wheels, 12 volt, discs up front, heated seats etc 😉
I just looked a my fasty and it has the plate as well. I think you are right body number, mine starts with 312 Fastback. I never noticed it was a different number to the pan.
Apparently at the end of Aussie cars they made many variations. Does your car have a fuel flap?
I have the fuel flap that you open with your finger.
I did not realize until a week ago when I saw a FB that the later cars also have a flap release cable under the dash. All modern conveniences in 1970.
Cruiser I am guessing that your car with the fuel flap that you open from the out side like a 68 beetle, 4 stud discs and heated seats is a CKD car because that body No. does seem like an Aussie thing and not a fully imported car. Type3lovers cars spec is like Aussie cars with 12v.
Up till now I've been wrongly calling the Chassis No. the body No. From now on, on here to stop confusion I think we should call it by its correct name and the body No. the one behind the spare tyre on the body. Who can tell us about this number?
Cruiser I wonder how far your body No. is from Type3lovers?
1500S ·
Just found time to add a bit. These are a couple of pics but only relate to the imported 1964 model Notch. The one of the body compliance plate has different weights to the 315... one. I'm not sure where I got the 315.... but no doubt was from a wreck around Riverstone about 10 years back.
I've also added one of the master cyl reservoir area in my Notch. Note the large "3". Have no idea what it refers to. Maybe a die number for the pressing?? Also looks like the panel was getting ready for a dual circuit brake setup in the next year or so.
This 0474050 body is matched to the chassis so all original. The sister car only a few numbers away was sold in Victoria on fleabay a couple of years ago and is in Adelaide. It will never be on the road as a restored one as it was too far gone.
What we have to get into our minds regardless of whether there are similar vehicles worldwide as some others suggest, we are on a big island and what we have here is fact and any rarity relates to here alone. Some of these facts in relation to Australian registered Type 3s are:
1. There are very few pre 1964 Notch and Squares left
2. There are most likely similar numbers of the 1965 Australian Twin S hanging around somewhere.
3. There are fewer imported Notch 1500S. Two only known to be roadworthy in Australia from Adelaide to Brisbane.
4. Where are the imported 1966 Fastys?? Anyone seen one and have a current photo? These were the ones with the continuing early model locking steering column before production with Mr El Cheapo Australian version.
Let's see what we can produce now with pics and sightings of vehicles from the earlier years which are still or can be made drivable. It will also help future Type 3 interested Veedubbers know what they are looking for, even if during the mid to later 60s the OZ produced ones varied a bit due to them being put together from the left-overs rack!
DH
vicelore ·
Which number you talking about here.. as far as I knew there was a number on a plate in the front under the bonnet and one under the back seat... These are both meant to match ? And a number on the engine is there more that im missing ?
Whats this fuel filler flap ??
Cheers Vice
1500S ·
Someone has said there is also a separate number somewhere behind the spare wheel. Has your car got this 3rd number there? My one doesn't have any other than the compliance aluminium plate and under back seat.
Just another thought. Maybe the header should read "Australian Type 3s 1964-1968" as the 63 model was a fully imported one.
DH
Burrelli ·
1500S wrote:Someone has said there is also a separate number somewhere behind the spare wheel. Has your car got this 3rd number there? My one doesn't have any other than the compliance aluminium plate and under back seat.
Just another thought. Maybe the header should read "Australian Type 3s 1964-1968" as the 63 model was a fully imported one.
DH
Yes 1500s I thought that may confuse people. I put 1963 because I read we started making them here in July 1963, I suppose you would know these as 64 models. Maybe it should say 1964. Also I love Fully imported cars and when ever i seen one it is a real treat. I do own a fully imported type3 as well.
Vice pull your spare tyre out and look at the painted plate behind that an tell us the numbers. Mine starts with 312.
vicelore ·
Will do when i get home tonight..
Ill also take some pics of all my plates..
Cheers Vice
Burrelli ·
Vice the engine No. is on the top of the engine case in the middle under the air cleaner.
RB.
68AutoBug ·
type3lover wrote:My notch has 318022648 stamped on tunnel and compliance plate. Says "Made in Germany" on the plate but I am told it was built in Australia.
Was purchased new in Jan 1969 from Lanock motors in Sydney according to the logbook.
Had drum brakes all round on wide 5's, factory 12 volt, fuel filler under bonnet, black wiper knob and headlight knob to name a few.
I'll let you know if I think of anything else that was perhaps
out of place.
Your notch or halfback looks like an Aussie one from Your pics
very interesting info on type 3 here...
I remember seeing a VW add in a magazine in the 60s
VW FASTBACK- SQUAREBACK- HALFBACK
Anyone else remember that??
could have been car & driver?? usa
Lee
1500S ·
68AutoBug wrote:
type3lover wrote:My notch has 318022648 stamped on tunnel and compliance plate. Says "Made in Germany" on the plate but I am told it was built in Australia.
Was purchased new in Jan 1969 from Lanock motors in Sydney according to the logbook.
Had drum brakes all round on wide 5's, factory 12 volt, fuel filler under bonnet, black wiper knob and headlight knob to name a few.
I'll let you know if I think of anything else that was perhaps
out of place.
Your notch or halfback looks like an Aussie one from Your pics
very interesting info on type 3 here...
I remember seeing a VW add in a magazine in the 60s
VW FASTBACK- SQUAREBACK- HALFBACK
Anyone else remember that??
could have been car & driver?? usa
Lee
Shhhhh Lee, that's showing our age too much!
Burelli. Yep, should be 1964 as anything classed as a 1963 would be the imported Notch with a totally different interior than the locally produced ones from August 1963 as being the normal changeover month. The locally produced one costing about 100 quid ($200) less for the privilage of discarding all the nicer looking inside and overrider bumpers in exchange for a chrome strip down the side, butt freezing (winter) and cooking in summer vinyl seat covers and dangerous non locking front seat backrests!
What about a pic of your car on here for reference? Inside as well.
DH
Burrelli ·
I took some today and I have only posted photos a couple times years ago, so I'll have to retrain myself when I get home.
Tried to get the car out in the sun but the 6v battery is a bit down and it would not go. Then a fuel line leak, it's the cloth covered stuff and not 3 years old but it's all perished and had it.
A tip for all people that don't know always make sure your rubber fuel lines are all good. Mine are not that old and the car could have had a big fire to day!!!!
Fuel lines are one thing that must be always maintained on any VW.
58camper ·
Guys,
This has developed into an interesting thread and not being a Type 3 devotee of any strength I was hoping the following information may be of assistance to the discussion. The numbers are extracted from the ex Factory Clayton production numbers for all vehicles manufactured in Australia.
Aussie production volumes for early Type 3s out of Clayton up to the end of 1968 were;
316N Notch 1011 units from 1/66 to Dec/68
316S Notch 9645 units up to Dec 67 ( Nil 316S were produced in 1968
312S Fastback 6168 units up to Dec 68
366 V31 Squareback Variant 9264 units to Oct 68
366 V30 Squareback Variant 516 units to Aug 66 when last one was produced. (Not sure what the V30 option was but could have been sunroof.)
There was a number of 1600 imported units with 4 of the EA197 Models in the country and through production by August 1968.Volumes started to pick up in September with 149 units completed on the production line and ready for sale.
Hope these numbers assist.
contrybuggybill
1500S ·
58camper wrote:Guys,
This has developed into an interesting thread and not being a Type 3 devotee of any strength I was hoping the following information may be of assistance to the discussion. The numbers are extracted from the ex Factory Clayton production numbers for all vehicles manufactured in Australia.
Aussie production volumes for early Type 3s out of Clayton up to the end of 1968 were;
316N Notch 1011 units from 1/66 to Dec/68
316S Notch 9645 units up to Dec 67 ( Nil 316S were produced in 1968
312S Fastback 6168 units up to Dec 68
366 V31 Squareback Variant 9264 units to Oct 68
366 V30 Squareback Variant 516 units to Aug 66 when last one was produced. (Not sure what the V30 option was but could have been sunroof.)
There was a number of 1600 imported units with 4 of the EA197 Models in the country and through production by August 1968.Volumes started to pick up in September with 149 units completed on the production line and ready for sale.
Hope these numbers assist.
contrybuggybill
All good info Bill.
Was down your way Sunday/Monday visiting relies at Ulladulla. A bit warmer than here at -4 early today. Now Lee will tell us that's a summer day compared to Scone!!
Better add a pic of what the OZ assembled 64-65 ones should have looked like!! Oh well, wishful thinking during those years as only the well healed Veedubbers could afford one of these while the rest of us had to be satisfied with Old Plain Jane!!
DH
Burrelli ·
That is fabulous 58camper.
Type3lovers car must be a 316N and the V30 could that be one built to carry more weight? or a 1500n maybe?
type3lover ·
Hmm..this is interesting news.
The plate that's spot welded onto the front of mine says 316 7639
Had a twin port 1600 dual carb engine although EFI was available in '68.
Front discs were standard in 68 weren't they? I got no heated seats either..a real runt of the litter so to speak. 😂
Dyno ·
58camper wrote:Guys,
This has developed into an interesting thread and not being a Type 3 devotee of any strength I was hoping the following information may be of assistance to the discussion. The numbers are extracted from the ex Factory Clayton production numbers for all vehicles manufactured in Australia.
Aussie production volumes for early Type 3s out of Clayton up to the end of 1968 were;
316N Notch 1011 units from 1/66 to Dec/68
316S Notch 9645 units up to Dec 67 ( Nil 316S were produced in 1968
312S Fastback 6168 units up to Dec 68
366 V31 Squareback Variant 9264 units to Oct 68
366 V30 Squareback Variant 516 units to Aug 66 when last one was produced. (Not sure what the V30 option was but could have been sunroof.)
There was a number of 1600 imported units with 4 of the EA197 Models in the country and through production by August 1968.Volumes started to pick up in September with 149 units completed on the production line and ready for sale.
Hope these numbers assist.
contrybuggybill
V30 is the Panel Van.
58camper ·
Wow,
If the V30 was the Panel Van I would never have thought there were 516 of them produced at Clayton
Total production for V30 in 1966 was 61 units so that meant the other 455 were produced prior to December 1965.
How many panels still exist if there were 516 units produced. ?
Makes them rarer than the Country Buggy where 878 units were produced for the Australian market.
countrybuggybill
vicelore ·
As requested guys.
1967, 1600.
Iv cleared off the last few didgits as im not sure if i should be giving all of them out in a public forum..
Cheers Vice
1500S ·
type3lover wrote:Hmm..this is interesting news.
The plate that's spot welded onto the front of mine says 316 7639
Had a twin port 1600 dual carb engine although EFI was available in '68.
Front discs were standard in 68 weren't they? I got no heated seats either..a real runt of the litter so to speak. 😂
If there were heated seats here in Type 3s Toby they were rarer than rocking horse $hit!! During the 60s and 70s I never came across one car with them installed and I drove VWs both Bugs and Type 3s from 1964 through 1984 continually. You hear of these things these days and far too many think that was normal for the day. Definitely not!
DH
Burrelli ·
Great Vice.
What I know about these numbers is.
The Chassis No. on the Vin plate the first 2 digits means type3 the 3rd means 1967
The Body No. 316 means Notchback
The Engine No. T0 means 1600 Type3 and that would be a 1967 engine.
Anyone know more about these numbers?
Burrelli ·
1500S wrote:
type3lover wrote:Hmm..this is interesting news.
The plate that's spot welded onto the front of mine says 316 7639
Had a twin port 1600 dual carb engine although EFI was available in '68.
Front discs were standard in 68 weren't they? I got no heated seats either..a real runt of the litter so to speak. 😂
If there were heated seats here in Type 3s Toby they were rarer than rocking horse $hit!! During the 60s and 70s I never came across one car with them installed and I drove VWs both Bugs and Type 3s from 1964 through 1984 continually. You hear of these things these days and far too many think that was normal for the day. Definitely not!
DH
I seen a part for heated seat on samba last week. I did not know anything about them before that. COOL and warm. 😂
damo99 ·
all this information is very usefull .i have never been able to get the year of my notch's(3)now i know how
1500S ·
Apparently at the end of Aussie cars they made many variations. Does your car have a fuel flap?
I have the fuel flap that you open with your finger.
I did not realize until a week ago when I saw a FB that the later cars also have a flap release cable under the dash. All modern conveniences in 1970. [/quote]
1969 year model had the fuel door release inside.
DH
vicelore ·
Is this some kind of leaver ?? Mines just a pipe with a cap inside the bonet boot thingy Correct name ?? does this mean you can fill without popping the hood ?? I love the looks when i do at the petrol station..
Cheers Vice
Burrelli ·
Chassis No. 316 271 243
Body No. 312 00259x
Engine No. TO 156 1xx
1600 single port
VW. Model 312S
First registed 11/66 Stated valve $2425 + $55.40 Rego
Polar White
Note: Tail lights are wrong wrong (In Australia Flat Lenses came on 63's, 1500N and Panel Van)
Australian Fastback interior. Similar to German 1966 Fastback, Squareback and Notchback one year only door trim. Did Aussie Fasty's have interior like this to Dec 68?
Note: Wrong T1 ignition switch and windshield wiper switch fitted by previous owner.
Australia only TS Badges
Clear Blinker Lensers in 66. Fastbacks had over riders , bonet mistache and wrap around binkers. Body No. 312 00 259x Does the 00 mean this option and could you option a Square and Notch Like this?
Standard Cigarette Lighter in Fastys.
Also Mine has the Airflow Radio
Wide 5 drum brakes. Painted centre in the hubcap for the last year in 1966. No disc brakes till 69? on fastys for Australia.
RB.
Burrelli ·
58camper wrote:Wow,
If the V30 was the Panel Van I would never have thought there were 516 of them produced at Clayton
Total production for V30 in 1966 was 61 units so that meant the other 455 were produced prior to December 1965.
How many panels still exist if there were 516 units produced. ?
Makes them rarer than the Country Buggy where 878 units were produced for the Australian market.
countrybuggybill
I was just reading Aaron Britcher's fantastic sticky tread on samba " Type 3 Panel Van Nirvana" and in it he said V30 Panel Vans are CKD. In it also, there is information about Panel Van Body Numbers. If you have a 65-66 Squareback and your Body No. starts with PV you have a Panel Van!!!!
RB.
Burrelli ·
This is a fuel flap from a 69 on Type3 that you open from the inside of the car with a pull knob. A 68 fuel flap has a finger indent and you open it from the outside of the car.
If your car has one of these it is a CKD or fully imported car.
RB.
vicelore ·
Thanks for the pic of the fuel filler.. Cool feature... i still love popping th hood to fill up tho.
Also added some other pics showing all my models features.
Would be great if we could get these pics for all years.. Great guide for a prospective type 3 buyer.
Cheers Vice
1500S ·
"Clear Blinker Lensers in 66. Fastbacks had over riders , bonet mistache and wrap around binkers. Body No. 312 00 259x Does the 00 mean this option and could you option a Square and Notch Like this?"
=========================================================================
Squares and Notches assembled here had none of this trim until 1969.
DH
empi ·
Im working on it just trying to locate all photos needed.
vicelore wrote:Thanks for the pic of the fuel filler.. Cool feature... i still love popping th hood to fill up tho.
Also added some other pics showing all my models features.
Would be great if we could get these pics for all years.. Great guide for a prospective type 3 buyer.
Cheers Vice
Burrelli ·
1500S wrote:"Clear Blinker Lensers in 66. Fastbacks had over riders , bonet mistache and wrap around binkers. Body No. 312 00 259x Does the 00 mean this option and could you option a Square and Notch Like this?"
=========================================================================
Squares and Notches assembled here had none of this trim until 1969.
DH
Hmmm I'm dreaming. Does all 66-68 Fastys have this 00 on the Body No.? Is there any squares or notchs with it?
RB.
Burrelli ·
Vice's 1967 Notchback.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
VW model 316S
Still 6v in 67
Non painted hub cap centre
First year 1600 badge for notch
First year for amber blinker lenses
Vice is your car single port or dual port? Because they changed over late 67
On a single port the carb manifolds are a 40mm diameter pipe that goes into a single port in the head.
A dual port has a cast manifold that splits into 2 and is about 100mm wide where it bolts to the head.
RB.
mackaymanx ·
Here is the '68 fuel filler.
'68's are a good source for the 12 volt wipers to fit the earlier models
68AutoBug ·
58camper wrote:Wow,
If the V30 was the Panel Van I would never have thought there were 516 of them produced at Clayton
Total production for V30 in 1966 was 61 units so that meant the other 455 were produced prior to December 1965.
How many panels still exist if there were 516 units produced. ?
Makes them rarer than the Country Buggy where 878 units were produced for the Australian market.
countrybuggybill
Hi
I can't remember seeing many panel vans in the 60s or 70s..
they all looked like aussie made...
from other forums.. it appears that maybe??
Most panel vans were made in Australia ???
the ones I've seen photos of are all RHD and made in Australia
now located in the UK & USA..
although seems strange that Wolfsburg never made them??
even as a cheap type 3.. ??
Did all Aussie 69 models have the flat [rare] hubcaps on 5 stud wheels with the stainless steel wheel trims??
{ I believe German made 67 model beetles also had those flat hubcaps on 5 stud wheels..]
Some VW owners have the fuel flap[door] welded over and fit an early fuel tank... lol
cheers
LEE
Burrelli ·
58camper wrote:Guys,
This has developed into an interesting thread and not being a Type 3 devotee of any strength I was hoping the following information may be of assistance to the discussion. The numbers are extracted from the ex Factory Clayton production numbers for all vehicles manufactured in Australia.
Aussie production volumes for early Type 3s out of Clayton up to the end of 1968 were;
316N Notch 1011 units from 1/66 to Dec/68
316S Notch 9645 units up to Dec 67 ( Nil 316S were produced in 1968
312S Fastback 6168 units up to Dec 68
366 V31 Squareback Variant 9264 units to Oct 68
366 V30 Squareback Variant 516 units to Aug 66 when last one was produced. (Not sure what the V30 option was but could have been sunroof.)
There was a number of 1600 imported units with 4 of the EA197 Models in the country and through production by August 1968.Volumes started to pick up in September with 149 units completed on the production line and ready for sale.
Hope these numbers assist.
contrybuggybill
68AutoBug
I think this could maybe read
366N and V30 Squareback Variant 516 units to Aug 66?
61 V30 in 65 and the rest 366N.
Did we have N Squarebacks here?
Or did we export the Panal Vans and or N Squarebacks?
I don't know of any 69 wide 5
vicelore ·
Burrelli wrote:Vice's 1967 Notchback.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
VW model 316S
Still 6v in 67
Non painted hub cap centre
First year 1600 badge for notch
First year for amber blinker lenses
Vice is your car single port or twin port? Because they changed over late 67
On a single port the carb manifolds are a 40mm diameter pipe that goes into a single port in the head.
A twin port has a cast manifold that splits into 2 and is about 100mm wide where it bolts to the head.
RB.
Iv posted up some pics in the tech section to see but seems like people think its a Dual. Whats this making you think ??
Cheers Vice.
1500S ·
Lee, all type 3s had the flat hubcaps. The main difference is that the 4 stud ones clip on differently to the 5 stud. 5 stud clip in whereas the 4 stud clip over.
DH
Burrelli ·
vicelore wrote:
Burrelli wrote:Vice's 1967 Notchback.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
VW model 316S
Still 6v in 67
Non painted hub cap centre
First year 1600 badge for notch
First year for amber blinker lenses
Vice is your car single port or twin port? Because they changed over late 67
On a single port the carb manifolds are a 40mm diameter pipe that goes into a single port in the head.
A twin port has a cast manifold that splits into 2 and is about 100mm wide where it bolts to the head.
RB.
Iv posted up some pics in the tech section to see but seems like people think its a Dual. Whats this making you think ??
Cheers Vice.
Yes Vice that is a dual port Apparently they changed over from single inlet port heads to dual inlet ports somewhere in 1967 in Australia.
Could you please post a couple of pics of the engine on here? The one of the right side of the engine and one of the whole engine. Thanks Vice
A 6v dual port, that would be Australia only.
RB.
cruiser ·
type3lover wrote:Hmm..this is interesting news.
The plate that's spot welded onto the front of mine says 316 7639
The plate in mine is 316 0513
I would love to know for sure whether my car is an Aussie pressed car or if it is a CKD from when they started importing again?
68AutoBug ·
1500S wrote:Lee, all type 3s had the flat hubcaps. The main difference is that the 4 stud ones clip on differently to the 5 stud. 5 stud clip in whereas the 4 stud clip over.
DH
I was sure the early type 3s had the Normal beetle domed hubcaps Dallas???
the 4 stud ones are the same as the beetles from 1968> in Australia
I know.. the ones on 69 type 3s were the flat type as used on 67 beetles from Germany...
and the type 3s used those stainless steel wheel trims...
I will have to look at some photos.. lol
cheers
LEE
Burrelli ·
cruiser wrote:
type3lover wrote:Hmm..this is interesting news.
The plate that's spot welded onto the front of mine says 316 7639
The plate in mine is 316 0513
I would love to know for sure whether my car is an Aussie pressed car or if it is a CKD from when they started importing again?
cruiser. I've done a bit of home work. Your car is at the start of the CKD production. It has different pressings to the 64-68 aussie cars. Production of the CKD (Complete Knock Down? 8 crates to 12 cars or something like that) packs of the EA197 (type3) started OCT 68. The German model year starts Aug for Type3, so your cars CKD packs must have left germany before that.
I have no idea how your car got the heated seats but I would like to see pics. 😎
Oh yeah that body tag must of been put on by a good old Aussie on friday arvo😂
RB.
1500S ·
68AutoBug wrote:
1500S wrote:Lee, all type 3s had the flat hubcaps. The main difference is that the 4 stud ones clip on differently to the 5 stud. 5 stud clip in whereas the 4 stud clip over.
DH
I was sure the early type 3s had the Normal beetle domed hubcaps Dallas???
the 4 stud ones are the same as the beetles from 1968> in Australia
I know.. the ones on 69 type 3s were the flat type as used on 67 beetles from Germany...
and the type 3s used those stainless steel wheel trims...
I will have to look at some photos.. lol
cheers
LEE
During the 60s I did see a couple of type 3s with dome caps but these were widened bug wheels with the clips on them to hold the domes. Even with only 1" wider on these wheels, tyre rubbing could be a problem on the rear guards remembering that the normal widening technique was splitting the rim just outside the disc and welding a band in. I had a set of the later but wide 5 bug wheels with the slotted disc widened but were only 5" so the flat standard caps could be used. Even using the standard 165 tyres there was little room between tyre and guard.
Type 3 hubcaps were always flat.
4 stud rims were standard from the 1969 model on in Australia ( and also a few late 1968 aswell according to cruisers notch)
69 models used 4 stud hubcaps same as > 68 beetles
I think 67 beetles in Germany were slotted wide 5, with similar or same flat hubcaps as 1965 type 3's without the clips.
The type 3 aluminium wheel trims are also different to the type 1 due to the different offsets so are not interchangeable,
Cheers.
Burrelli ·
Heah guys would a 316N like type3lovers built Dec 68 be a 69 model with wide 5?
1500S ·
Burrelli wrote:Heah guys would a 316N like type3lovers built Dec 68 be a 69 model with wide 5?
As 318022648 stamped on tunnel and compliance plate on Toby's Notch makes the parts built between August and September 1967 which makes it an actual 1968 OZ model with correct wide 5s still. More likely a CKD kit left hanging around in storage and finally got put together during 68 before August. By the time it hit the showroom floor, the word would have been around that the new 69 model with discs and double joint rear end was here in August 68. A discounted old technology model early in 1969 but certainly wouldn't have been built in December 1968!
DH
Burrelli ·
58camper wrote:Guys,
This has developed into an interesting thread and not being a Type 3 devotee of any strength I was hoping the following information may be of assistance to the discussion. The numbers are extracted from the ex Factory Clayton production numbers for all vehicles manufactured in Australia.
Aussie production volumes for early Type 3s out of Clayton up to the end of 1968 were;
316N Notch 1011 units from 1/66 to Dec/68
316S Notch 9645 units up to Dec 67 ( Nil 316S were produced in 1968
312S Fastback 6168 units up to Dec 68
366 V31 Squareback Variant 9264 units to Oct 68
366 V30 Squareback Variant 516 units to Aug 66 when last one was produced. (Not sure what the V30 option was but could have been sunroof.)
There was a number of 1600 imported units with 4 of the EA197 Models in the country and through production by August 1968.Volumes started to pick up in September with 149 units completed on the production line and ready for sale.
Hope these numbers assist.
contrybuggybill
316N Notch 1011 units from 1/66 to Dec 68
Do you think this is wrong?
RB.
68AutoBug ·
Yes Dallas,
the German beetles sold in the USA in 1966 had the flat hubcaps like the type 3s...
I just mentioned 1967.. lol
and yes, I must have seen type 3s with widened beetle wheels with domed hubcaps...
and the wheel trim on 68-69 type 3s were stainless steel with slots...
and Yes, I believe they wouldn't fit on a beetles rim...
and never seen a stainless steel one on a beetle..
only aluminium, and the dome hubcaps held them on.. lol
LEE
1500S wrote:
68AutoBug wrote:
1500S wrote:Lee, all type 3s had the flat hubcaps. The main difference is that the 4 stud ones clip on differently to the 5 stud. 5 stud clip in whereas the 4 stud clip over.
DH
I was sure the early type 3s had the Normal beetle domed hubcaps Dallas???
the 4 stud ones are the same as the beetles from 1968> in Australia
I know.. the ones on 69 type 3s were the flat type as used on 67 beetles from Germany...
and the type 3s used those stainless steel wheel trims...
I will have to look at some photos.. lol
cheers
LEE
During the 60s I did see a couple of type 3s with dome caps but these were widened bug wheels with the clips on them to hold the domes. Even with only 1" wider on these wheels, tyre rubbing could be a problem on the rear guards remembering that the normal widening technique was splitting the rim just outside the disc and welding a band in. I had a set of the later but wide 5 bug wheels with the slotted disc widened but were only 5" so the flat standard caps could be used. Even using the standard 165 tyres there was little room between tyre and guard.
Bugs looks like they got the flat hubcaps in Germany in 1966.
DH
Burrelli ·
I have seen no production Type3 with wide 5 dome hub caps standard. In 66 most Beetles from made at Wolfsburg had wide 5 flat hub cap but you could option disc brakes in 66 and had a hub cap like this.
If you see a hub cap like this on a Type3 in Australia get excited because this is what German 66-67 type3s had. 1500s told us there were a few fully imported 66 fastbacks.
type3lover ·
Some pics of mine in original condition (except for that awful numberplate!)...before I started making umm m "changes" 👍
Burrelli ·
Mmmm nice type3lover. This car has
1968 chassis No.
12v system
1600 dual port
Savanna Beige
1600 badge on the deck lid
Still has wide 5 drum brakes
316N? Looks like its got all the chrome. What is the difference between an Australian 316N and a 316S?
What is the Model No. in your Volkswagen Service Booklet?
What is the interior color?
type3lover ·
Absolutely corrrect!
Might be way off but I thought the N had the single side draught carburettor. Or is that the 1500N? I'm confused lol.
I'll track down the service booklet...I know I kept it somewhere!
type3lover ·
Interior was grey carpet, offwhite perforated headliner. 3 tone door cards in red, black and beige
instruments had WHITE needles
Burrelli ·
Ahhh Also your car has thin side chrome, makes sense because VW Australia stopped producing trim in late 67 at the end of the Aussie Beetle ( although the T1 1300 Custom still had it in 68)
VW-VARIANT-L ·
cruiser wrote:I have recently asked on the samba about the number tag spot welded to the body that is behind the spare wheel. Nobody knew anything about it so I guess it's an Oz thing/body number ?
Type3lover I thought all 68 were 4 stud wheels? mine is 318200071 so not much newer than yours. 4 stud wheels, 12 volt, discs up front, heated seats etc 😉
Aussie built type 3's from 1963 to 1969 atleast ( including the CKD cars) have the body number tag. I don't have a 1970 model, but by 1971 there is no body number tag and the compliance plate no longer has "Made in Germany". The fully imported cars don't have this tag.
Have never heard of Heated Seats as an option for any year Type 3. Could you please post a picture or description to clarify,
Cheers, Pat.
1500S ·
type3lover wrote:Absolutely corrrect!
Might be way off but I thought the N had the single side draught carburettor. Or is that the 1500N? I'm confused lol.
I'll track down the service booklet...I know I kept it somewhere!
The 1500N did have the single side draught carb as did the 1500A which continued to 1968 in other parts of the world, maybe even Australia. Some repair manuals even list a 1600A. Did this 1600A engine have the single carb with single port heads still?? Some of you may recall maybe mid 90s Volksworld Mag?? had a story about "Plain Jane" which from memory had the single carb 1600 and drum brakes up front. But then again to confuse us more, a British site gives the Type 3 1600A as having a single carb 1500 engine!!!!!!!! Anyone still got that mag??
The Type 3 got disc brakes in 66, even on the 1500 Notch hence the 4 stud wheels and the resulting "new" hubcap fixing. We saw none of these here... well maybe a couple of imports. We should be able to find plenty of early hubcaps but just try finding really good ones.
We know the Fasty got the 1600 engine with twin carbs right from square one in 66 and the Square got the 1600 twin carb dual port in '67 sometime but none of our cars got the discs generally until '69.
One thing we have to be careful of is not to compare much of the local production trim and some running gear with that of full German assembly as we actually made the basic version in most cases.
DH
Burrelli ·
I was just looking at an Australian 1967 all models brochure. There was a pic of a 1500 Deluxe type3 as 1500S wrote about in another thead. On the outside it looked just like Vice's car but with a 1500 single carb engine,that car must be a 67 316N. I think type3lovers car is a 68 316N and VW Australia dropped the 316S Dec 67 because the CKD cars were coming. Mmmmm Maybe
68AutoBug ·
Burrelli wrote:Ahhh Also your car has thin side chrome, makes sense because VW Australia stopped producing trim in late 67 at the end of the Aussie Beetle ( although the T1 1300 Custom still had it in 68)
Hi
I believe the side strips on custom beetles was stainless steel same as the bumpers...
I don't think it was used in German made vehicles.??
LEE
68AutoBug ·
Burrelli wrote:I have seen no production Type3 with wide 5 dome hub caps standard. In 66 most Beetles from made at Wolfsburg had wide 5 flat hub cap but you could option disc brakes in 66 and had a hub cap like this.
If you see a hub cap like this on a Type3 in Australia get excited because this is what German 66-67 type3s had. 1500s told us there were a few fully imported 66 fastbacks.
I have never seen a hubcap like that from memory...
I'll have to take notice from now on.... lol
LEE
Dyno ·
68AutoBug wrote:
Burrelli wrote:I have seen no production Type3 with wide 5 dome hub caps standard. In 66 most Beetles from made at Wolfsburg had wide 5 flat hub cap but you could option disc brakes in 66 and had a hub cap like this.
If you see a hub cap like this on a Type3 in Australia get excited because this is what German 66-67 type3s had. 1500s told us there were a few fully imported 66 fastbacks.
I have never seen a hubcap like that from memory...
I'll have to take notice from now on.... lol
LEE
My 67 imported beetle has those(although not still on the car, they were superceded by genuine Gasburners!).
Lets clear this up right here and now...
That nipple 4 stud hubcap was on German built models from chassis 316000001 up to 317139332 and is part number 311601151B. It then went to part number 311601151D which is the conventional 4 stud hub cap as we know it from chassis number 317139333. 66/67 german built beetles had the same up to about Sept/October 1967 and then went to the non nipple 4 stud hub cap.
Also of worthy note is the fact that German built type 3's, type 3 ghias and Type1 ghias had wheel trims as standard equipment, part number 311601155 from beginning of 4 stud production in August 1965...
so a certain Pigalle owner on here should have both the nipple 4 stud hub cap and the correct wheel trims which will be marked "CK VW 311601155"around the inner perimeter and have the grey plastic grommet in the valve hole as per all genuine wheel trims...
Australian built Type 3's had the flat early 5 stud hub cap through to 1964, part number 311601151. Australian 65-67 models had the Euro beetle flat 5 stud hubcap part number 131601151(looks like an early type 3 cap but with rounder edges when compared to an early one). They went to the conventional 4 stud cap 311601151D as we know them in 1968.
VW-VARIANT-L ·
My original Aussie 1965 1500S came with the early flatter hubcaps with recessed VW emblem in the centre, so probably some delay in the change over of parts. Another way to tell the later 5 stud caps is the raised VW emblem.
I know of 2 pigalles still in Australia, a Type 3 ghia in NSW and a Fastback in Vic, both with original nipple caps I think 😉
Burrelli ·
VW-VARIANT-L wrote:
cruiser wrote:I have recently asked on the samba about the number tag spot welded to the body that is behind the spare wheel. Nobody knew anything about it so I guess it's an Oz thing/body number ?
Type3lover I thought all 68 were 4 stud wheels? mine is 318200071 so not much newer than yours. 4 stud wheels, 12 volt, discs up front, heated seats etc 😉
Aussie built type 3's from 1963 to 1969 atleast ( including the CKD cars) have the body number tag. I don't have a 1970 model, but by 1971 there is no body number tag and the compliance plate no longer has "Made in Germany". The fully imported cars don't have this tag.
Have never heard of Heated Seats as an option for any year Type 3. Could you please post a picture or description to clarify,
Cheers, Pat.
My 1970 model has no tag like 1971🙂
empi ·
Dyno wrote:
68AutoBug wrote:
Burrelli wrote:I have seen no production Type3 with wide 5 dome hub caps standard. In 66 most Beetles from made at Wolfsburg had wide 5 flat hub cap but you could option disc brakes in 66 and had a hub cap like this.
If you see a hub cap like this on a Type3 in Australia get excited because this is what German 66-67 type3s had. 1500s told us there were a few fully imported 66 fastbacks.
I have never seen a hubcap like that from memory...
I'll have to take notice from now on.... lol
LEE
My 67 imported beetle has those(although not still on the car, they were superceded by genuine Gasburners!).
Lets clear this up right here and now...
That nipple 4 stud hubcap was on German built models from chassis 316000001 up to 317139332 and is part number 311601151B. It then went to part number 311601151D which is the conventional 4 stud hub cap as we know it from chassis number 317139333. 66/67 german built beetles had the same up to about Sept/October 1967 and then went to the non nipple 4 stud hub cap.
Also of worthy note is the fact that German built type 3's, type 3 ghias and Type1 ghias had wheel trims as standard equipment, part number 311601155 from beginning of 4 stud production in August 1965...
so a certain Pigalle owner on here should have both the nipple 4 stud hub cap and the correct wheel trims which will be marked "CK VW 311601155"around the inner perimeter and have the grey plastic grommet in the valve hole as per all genuine wheel trims...
Australian built Type 3's had the flat early 5 stud hub cap through to 1964, part number 311601151. Australian 65-67 models had the Euro beetle flat 5 stud hubcap part number 131601151(looks like an early type 3 cap but with rounder edges when compared to an early one). They went to the conventional 4 stud cap 311601151D as we know them in 1968.
So Dyno where are the photos of the beetle with OG Gasburners??!!!???!?!?!? i had to drive along way to deliver those PICS PICS!!!!
Dyno ·
I should get it out aye!!!! The SA VW scene has been so inspiring lately(sarcastic cough and spew..)!!!
68AutoBug ·
More great info there...
I didn't know 4 stud wheels were used on type 3 so early..
LEE
I'm still learning....
empi ·
4 stud started in 68 Lee, the hubcaps look like the 4 stud hub cap however fit a 5 stud type 3 only wheel this gives the outer appearance of a 4 stud hucap
matara ·
Here is some pics of a 65 Type 3 Panel Van that I once owned. It was Ruby red in Colour, which I think nearly all Aussie panels were. Mine had chassis number PVC147 attached behind the spare wheel.
Steve Carter told me they were used by Harris Tea as delivery vehicles.
Cheers
Steve
matara ·
here is the Body number.
And Lee there were German panel vans produced albeit in small numbers. Most that have come up are in Norway/Sweden.
Cheers
Steve
Dyno ·
empi wrote:4 stud started in 68 Lee, the hubcaps look like the 4 stud hub cap however fit a 5 stud type 3 only wheel this gives the outer appearance of a 4 stud hucap
4 stud IN AUSTRALIAN BUILT CARS started in 68. In Europe, it was 66. One of my cars as well as a few others made it onto these shores. I have seen several imported 66 type 3's over the years, most still sporting their original nipple 4 stud hub caps.
Do these look 5 stud to you?
68AutoBug ·
I cannot remember ever seeing those hubcaps....
only the flat edged type...
what years were the Aust type 3 panel vans made?
they looked like mid 60s to me...
and I can't remember seeing any red ones...lol
light green comes to mind...??
LEE
Dyno ·
68AutoBug wrote:I cannot remember ever seeing those hubcaps....
only the flat edged type...
what years were the Aust type 3 panel vans made?
they looked like mid 60s to me...
and I can't remember seeing any red ones...lol
light green comes to mind...??
LEE
Aussie panel vans were predominantly 65 models. Funnily enough, I have records of more white than red Australian panel vans. here is a pic of a red one...
Anybody else have an imported S out there? I have also seen Variant S wrecks too, but never a complete one.
matara ·
My aussie built 65 1500S
1500S ·
Rob Waldon's old Notch above??!!
Not too many of the imported ones left Dyno. I seem to have the only one here in NSW although there was the one rusting away in a paddock at Young, NSW, owned by Marco ? who was atthe Fyshwick VW place in late 90s. Anyone know what happened to Marco and this S? Aaron has two in Adelaide but only one will ever be a runner as an original S. The other will be some sort of race car. This one is only about 4 numbers different production ti my S so no doubt came off the line the same day in Germany. Not sure if the white one from Melbourne got sold and remained in the country. Was for sale 12 months or so back.
DH
empi ·
There Was a white one now black and for sale thats an imported S, numberplate "Notch"
1500S ·
empi wrote:There Was a white one now black and for sale thats an imported S, numberplate "Notch"
Where's it for sale Adam?
DH
68AutoBug ·
anyone ever see those type of lights on the front apron of the red type 3..
they look like they were made to fit the front of the car????
LEE
vicelore ·
Seen them before, Was pics of them in the rare accessories on the samba.. Think they where Bosch ones.
Cheers Vice.
empi ·
The spotties are Genuine type 3 accessorie
Dallas the car is for sale in Melb, i think it was on carsales, i know who owns it.
empi ·
This one Dallas
empi ·
Yes i know it has lots of non 's' parts.... but thats the way the owner wanted it.
1500S ·
empi wrote:Yes i know it has lots of non 's' parts.... but thats the way the owner wanted it.
The only thing on the outside he left Adam is the overriders on the bumpers. What did he leave on the inside?
Which is in no doubt wrongly advertised as a German Import. Interior as well as exterior tells us that it is indeed a 1965 Australian produced 1500 S!!
DH
empi ·
May be it sold or is off the market
Dyno ·
68AutoBug wrote:anyone ever see those type of lights on the front apron of the red type 3..
they look like they were made to fit the front of the car????
LEE
They were made for the Type 3!! This was my first NOS set I put on the panel van(see Dallas, I do use my NOS parts!! )
Lee, here you go, here are pics of my spare set for the 62 variant when I get around to it...
Dyno ·
1500S wrote:
empi wrote:Yes i know it has lots of non 's' parts.... but thats the way the owner wanted it.
The only thing on the outside he left Adam is the overriders on the bumpers. What did he leave on the inside?
Which is in no doubt wrongly advertised as a German Import. Interior as well as exterior tells us that it is indeed a 1965 Australian produced 1500 S!!
DH
That car is a "twin S". It is not an import. There were Australian built Sea Blue cars, just not many of them. Have seen that car in the flesh and I must say that the body is not half bad on it. Reasonable money for the car that it is... It is all there too but needs tidying. Surprised it hasn't sold yet.
That black notch doesn't look like an import either.... An aussie model with overriders added.
1500S ·
Dyno wrote:
68AutoBug wrote:anyone ever see those type of lights on the front apron of the red type 3..
they look like they were made to fit the front of the car????
LEE
They were made for the Type 3!! This was my first NOS set I put on the panel van(see Dallas, I do use my NOS parts!! )
Lee, here you go, here are pics of my spare set for the 62 variant when I get around to it...
Good lad!!😂 Do you know I sat on a NOS ignition switch/lock for my notch for a few years. The one in it worked great after I mixed a key barrel and the electrical part by machining a couple of internal bits. Someone up north wanted a switch for an early one so pulled it for him and used the NOS one.
Still got a spare NOS indicator arm!
DH
Edison ·
Here is one to rock the boat. My 69 Squareback. IRS. according to my December owners manual large rear lights were optional.
VW-VARIANT-L ·
Is your 69 wagon an auto or manual ? Can you list the first 3 numbers of the compliance plate and chassis number on the tunnel ?
It seem's to be a bitsa, with a 1968 front guard, and 1970+ rear guards and bumpers.
The larger tail lights were first used for the 1970 model year in Germany along with the square bumpers, which makes them impossible to have been fitted on a wagon built between 8/68 and 7/69. 69 wagons were also assembled in Aus from CKD kits sent over from Germany so should have been complete for the model year specs, and usually had the wrap around blinkers on the front.
Would also be interested in seeing a pic of your manual reference re. large tail light option .
Edison ·
I hear ya. I've owned a 68 fasty and a 70 wagon before. Chassis number is 36220651XX. This is manual,
The owners manual is all over the place. Shows late and early feature. Sorry bout the crap photo. But you can see under the tail lights it says Optional extra.
The manual says December 69 on the inside and shows high back seats and big indicators on the cover being 71 on i think
Edison ·
White cards and seats as shown in the manual. The front seats are early 60's replaced by previous owner.
1500S ·
Edison wrote:Here is one to rock the boat. My 69 Squareback. IRS. according to my December owners manual large rear lights were optional.
By all accounts that car is a 1968 model as the fuel filler door is opened from the outside. A true 1969 has the release inside under dash. The bumpers and rear lights are off a 1970 (August 1969 release) or later. A 1969 has the overrider bumpers and also wrap around front indicators.
Someone has bolted later rear guards on as well as later bumpers on it as Variant L has pointed out.
However, the body may just be a 1969 and a previous owner has changed the front guards to earlier to use the bullet front indicators and the rears to have integral reversing lights as well as de-chroming most of it. Have a look under the right dash and see if there's a hole where the pull release for the fuel door was.
DH
Edison ·
Checked and no hole for the pull release although the carpet is trimmed for it. Will early rear guards and bumpers bolt straight on?? This is not the first 69 Squareback i've seen with nipple indicators.
empi ·
Edison wrote:Checked and no hole for the pull release although the carpet is trimmed for it. Will early rear guards and bumpers bolt straight on?? This is not the first 69 Squareback i've seen with nipple indicators.
yes they will , yr car looks to be a bitsa, sounds like the floorpan may have been changed too, (3rd digit 2 = 72)
empi ·
A photo of the dash would help too, 68 still had the 3 fresh air vent levers 69 had two balck 12v knobs
1500S ·
Edison wrote:Checked and no hole for the pull release although the carpet is trimmed for it. Will early rear guards and bumpers bolt straight on?? This is not the first 69 Squareback i've seen with nipple indicators.
The guards will bolt straight on. One of the fellows in Canberra (Andy ?) had late guards on the rear of an early square as he seemed to like the bigger lights.
There have also been a few 69s with the early tank put in and the exterior filler hole welded up "for security reasons". There was a red one from Newcastle area done that way.
Never think that some things "came out of the factory" as being true as 40 years on, anything can and have been changed to suit the later owners likes.
If you want it to look a real 69 you need to change the bumpers, front and rear guards for the correct tail light/front indicators/side marker lights, put the chrome strips back on the sides and add the bonnet trim. Only you can decide if the cost is worth it.
DH
1500S ·
empi wrote:A photo of the dash would help too, 68 still had the 3 fresh air vent levers 69 had two balck 12v knobs
Hi Adam. Only us retired Dubbers have time to play on the pooter through the day!!
DH
empi ·
Retired!!!! i wish im 33 !! Just hardcore.
1500S wrote:
empi wrote:A photo of the dash would help too, 68 still had the 3 fresh air vent levers 69 had two balck 12v knobs
Hi Adam. Only us retired Dubbers have time to play on the pooter through the day!!
DH
VW-VARIANT-L ·
empi wrote:A photo of the dash would help too, 68 still had the 3 fresh air vent levers 69 had two balck 12v knobs
half true Adam, most of the 68's were old model spec with 5 stud, filler under hood and 3 vent levers, but the German CKD or imports have the black knobs.
I suspect this is a 69 wagon with a 68 front guard and 72 pan, guards and bumpers rather than a German 68 ( the compliance plate number would tell).
The December 69 manual is for the 1970 model year, and most of the manuals still have earlier photos with the descriptions. The 69 model manual still has the smaller raised taillights.
The "* optional extra" reference for the late models is for the rear reversing light, which wasn't standard fitment ( the bases came without the socket, wiring, and no switch in the transmission).
You're right about the bullet indicators as all the pre-70 squarebacks in USA have bullet indicators as standard. Only late 68 CKD/1969 squares have wrap arounds in Australia, but quite a few have been replaced with bullets, thought of doing this myself.
Edison ·
haha. I was waiting for the dash photo request. I don't care if it is a 69 or not, that's just what the papers say it is. As i said before i've owned a 68 and a 70 and am well aware of the differences etc. But i would like to change the column and wheel to the old style if it will fit. Maybe it is a 72 with front guards changed and a 70 tailgate. There is a wiper arm on the column that is not connected. The key works on everything besides the (early 🙂) drivers door 😵💫
1500S ·
Edison wrote:haha. I was waiting for the dash photo request. I don't care if it is a 69 or not, that's just what the papers say it is. As i said before i've owned a 68 and a 70 and am well aware of the differences etc. But i would like to change the column and wheel to the old style if it will fit. Maybe it is a 72 with front guards changed and a 70 tailgate. There is a wiper arm on the column that is not connected. The key works on everything besides the (early 🙂) drivers door 😵💫
But your claim was "Here is one to rock the boat. My 69 Squareback. IRS. according to my December owners manual large rear lights were optional". By December 1969 the showrooms all had the new body style in them and any leftover early bodies were around the back somewhere to be sold off with great discounts. The fact is from the outside it looks nothing like a 69 square except that it's a short nose one. The dash now does show in fact it is a 69 but with a 72 on steering column. Also, can't be a 72 with changed front guards as they won't fit plus the 72 also has a different dash. As someone else says, it's a bitsa, but if you are happy with the looks then that's all that matters.
Maybe there is a problem in that it gets new Type 3 owners believing things associated with year identification which isn't so.
DH
Edison ·
Thanks for the info. Guess i was wrong about the rear lights being optional extra as i now hear it is the switch.
No doubt it's (69?) a bitsa.
Burrelli ·
It seems at the start of the CKD cars in late 68 (69 model year)there were a few German 68 spec cars with fuel flaps like that. I think these cars had bullit indicators, no over riders and swing axle. Interesting there is a car on ebay at the moment that claims to be a 68(bullits,no over riders) but has a 69 and latter type fuel flap.
cruiser ·
Burrelli wrote:It seems at the start of the CKD cars in late 68 (69 model year)there were a few German 68 spec cars with fuel flaps like that. I think these cars had bullit indicators, no over riders and swing axle. Interesting there is a car on ebay at the moment that claims to be a 68(bullits,no over riders) but has a 69 and latter type fuel flap.
These features are exactly what my 68 has.
Do Aussie stamped/pressed cars have a plaque that says "made in Australia"? If so then it's an easy way to tell an import/ckd car from an Australian made one?
Burrelli ·
I have not seen any Aussie produced type3s with "made in Australia" on the plaque. I think that is because that only 30%-40% of the cars were made in Australia so on the plaque it says "made in Germany". Cruser your car would still have a lot of aussie made componants like glass, starter motor, genorator ect. but not an Aussie pressed body. Aussie made beetles (1963-1968?) had "made in Australia" because they were up to 90% Aussie made.
Burrelli ·
Looks like an Aussie 67 with latter 4 stud wheels and brakes. I like the colour but I have not seen one that colour before.
Edison ·
Nice looking Fasty!! what's the interior like?
68AutoBug ·
Edison wrote:haha. I was waiting for the dash photo request. I don't care if it is a 69 or not, that's just what the papers say it is. As i said before i've owned a 68 and a 70 and am well aware of the differences etc. But i would like to change the column and wheel to the old style if it will fit. Maybe it is a 72 with front guards changed and a 70 tailgate. There is a wiper arm on the column that is not connected. The key works on everything besides the (early 🙂) drivers door 😵💫
Yes,
You can change the late steering wheel to an early one...
I changed My beetle early one to a late type 3 one... lol
LEE
vlad01 ·
Edison wrote:haha. I was waiting for the dash photo request. I don't care if it is a 69 or not, that's just what the papers say it is. As i said before i've owned a 68 and a 70 and am well aware of the differences etc. But i would like to change the column and wheel to the old style if it will fit. Maybe it is a 72 with front guards changed and a 70 tailgate. There is a wiper arm on the column that is not connected. The key works on everything besides the (early 🙂) drivers door 😵💫
Thats got either 72 or 73 gauges and same as the steering wheel. the rest looks about right. Even the ash tray is correct.
nsuwift ·
the door hinges dont look like early ones my notch is 67? and has different ones
cruiser ·
I saw this car before when the guy from Albany was selling it. He's a vw collector and has lots of cars and parts so it must be the ultimate bitsa?
Lets call it a very very late model 69.
cruiser ·
nsuwift wrote:the door hinges dont look like early ones my notch is 67? and has different ones
All notchbacks have 3 bolt hinges and the rest just two I think.
vlad01 ·
yep I have noticed that too. notch have a slot in hinge that use hex key bolts (X 3)
zimad ·
Recently acquired this 1969 Type 3 Notch, hasn’t been on the road since 1978, had been sitting in a shed in Nelson, New Zealand until a few years ago.
History is as follows:
Notch is of Australia origin and was imported into New Zealand in 1976, it is registered as a 69 here in NZ and log book also shows reg in Perth as a 69, but chassis number indicates 68. - 318200052
It has the 4 stud wheels, 12volt and disc brakes up front, bullet style indictors, but still has swing axle rear and the early bumpers.
Also the fuel filler is the very early edition with no interior release, manually opened with a finger pull.
Have been wondering why it seems to be a mix of parts but the posts in this tread seem to explain the oddities of my one????
zimad wrote:Recently acquired this 1969 Type 3 Notch, hasn’t been on the road since 1978, had been sitting in a shed in Nelson, New Zealand until a few years ago.
History is as follows:
Notch is of Australia origin and was imported into New Zealand in 1976, it is registered as a 69 here in NZ and log book also shows reg in Perth as a 69, but chassis number indicates 68. - 318200052
It has the 4 stud wheels, 12volt and disc brakes up front, bullet style indictors, but still has swing axle rear and the early bumpers.
Also the fuel filler is the very early edition with no interior release, manually opened with a finger pull.
Have been wondering why it seems to be a mix of parts but the posts in this tread seem to explain the oddities of my one????
That's fantastic, on the road for 10 years and then in storage for 32 years. Love to see more pics of the interior.
I don't think it is a mix of parts, it's just how things were at the time they were built/assembled. My car (in Perth) is just 19 cars newer than yours 318 200071 and has exatly the same components.
Burrelli ·
Zimad that is a good looking car. These German 68 spec Australian 69 model cars must of been made as a batch. I don't how many was in a CKD batch of cars, does any one know? Squarebacks and notchbacks I have seen no one has come up with a fasty yet but there could be some?. Does your car have heated seats? or is cruiser's car unique in that regard?
zimad ·
Cheers, I will pop up some pics of the interior in the next few days, it has ember red interior, which is in pretty good nick, only drives door needs a bit of work.
The carpets have all been thrown out, as they were rotten, as you can see I have had to replace the rear left guard and the boot, as part of the rear of the car had been hanging out of the shed it was parked up in for the 30 or so years, and they had got pretty rusty.
Don't think it has heated seats, will have to check, would be cool if it did!!
1500S ·
Burrelli wrote:Zimad that is a good looking car. These German 68 spec Australian 69 model cars must of been made as a batch. I don't how many was in a CKD batch of cars, does any one know? Squarebacks and notchbacks I have seen no one has come up with a fasty yet but there could be some?. Does your car have heated seats? or is cruiser's car unique in that regard?
The only one of this spec I've seen Richie was at Pick and Paymore at Blacktown a couple of years back. It had been burnt a bit from memory but was sold off as a whole car rather than being parted out. Wonder what happened to it?? Anyone from Sydney area know?
DH
68AutoBug ·
I always thought the fastbacks with TS badges on them were locally made where the German ones has TL badges..
and the parking lights....
German ones had the bendy glass side windows.....??
LEE
VW-VARIANT-L ·
Burrelli wrote:Does your car have heated seats? or is cruiser's car unique in that regard?
Still waiting to see pics or further info on the mythical heated seats.
I can't find any referrence to them in any of my literature, parts books etc. Pics would help.
Burrelli ·
VW-VARIANT-L wrote:
Burrelli wrote:Does your car have heated seats? or is cruiser's car unique in that regard?
Still waiting to see pics or further info on the mythical heated seats.
I can't find any referrence to them in any of my literature, parts books etc. Pics would help.
x2
Also for those interested in mythical things I had some one tell me at Valla that they seen an Azure interior notch with a sunroof in Melbourne a few year back. How about that!
Dyno ·
VW-VARIANT-L wrote:
Burrelli wrote:Does your car have heated seats? or is cruiser's car unique in that regard?
Still waiting to see pics or further info on the mythical heated seats.
I can't find any referrence to them in any of my literature, parts books etc. Pics would help.
They don't exist. I have EVERY Type 3 M-code from 61 to the end of production, not to mention all the factory manuals and parts lists. The only thing that comes close in terms of heating is a heated back window and the eberspacher booster heater with timer clock..
Dyno ·
Burrelli wrote:
VW-VARIANT-L wrote:
Burrelli wrote:Does your car have heated seats? or is cruiser's car unique in that regard?
Still waiting to see pics or further info on the mythical heated seats.
I can't find any referrence to them in any of my literature, parts books etc. Pics would help.
x2
Also for those interested in mythical things I had some one tell me at Valla that they seen an Azure interior notch with a sunroof in Melbourne a few year back. How about that!
The azure interior doesn't exist either...They are FOS. The pic getting around was photo shopped. Again, the only thing that came close was the 1961/62 Type 3 Ghia with the special order blue interior(this is where all the blue knobs and trim pieces came from) and the 66 model blue interior for which only the carpet and seat covers were blue, all other trim fittings were standard type 3, including the black dash, Only dash colours offered for the type 3 and type 3 ghia were black, brown and red(with the colours being 1966 only).
Burrelli ·
I had my doubts I have to assume this person was mistaken.
cruiser ·
I was just kidding about the heated seats.
Now we can get past this.
Burrelli ·
Wow SpLiTmEiStEr That looks great! Is it the original colour? If it is what is the colour called?
12V, thin side chrome with no TS badges and bullit indicators???
Hutcho ·
I was wondering if anyone else has the "cruise control" option that my 65 came equipped with??
1500S ·
Hutcho wrote:I was wondering if anyone else has the "cruise control" option that my 65 came equipped with??
Is that a brick on the pedal Steve! 😂
DH
Hutcho ·
1500S wrote:
Hutcho wrote:I was wondering if anyone else has the "cruise control" option that my 65 came equipped with??
Is that a brick on the pedal Steve! 😂
DH
😂😂
cruiser ·
I have found that the passenger can also have some throttle control as if you press on the foot plate hard enough it flexes and depresses the throttle where it comes through the tunnel.
Good for playing tricks on your freind/driver so they think somethings up with the motor??
Burrelli ·
cruiser wrote:I have found that the passenger can also have some throttle control as if you press on the foot plate hard enough it flexes and depresses the throttle where it comes through the tunnel.
Good for playing tricks on your freind/driver so they think somethings up with the motor??
Also the passenger can be the seat heater. Just get them to sit in the drivers seat for half an hour before you want to go anywhere on a cold night.😂
Dyno ·
SpLiTmEiStEr wrote:yep, original colour, ruby reg - 303
cheers
looks much like the rusty one that was for sale in the Adelaide hills a while back..
Burrelli ·
I think these wheels will fit a wide 5 type3 and not rub the guards. 6 inch wide and 43mm offset may come close to the bump stop on the rear???
58camper wrote:Wow,
If the V30 was the Panel Van I would never have thought there were 516 of them produced at Clayton
Total production for V30 in 1966 was 61 units so that meant the other 455 were produced prior to December 1965.
How many panels still exist if there were 516 units produced. ?
Makes them rarer than the Country Buggy where 878 units were produced for the Australian market.
countrybuggybill
About 20 Type 3 panel vans are known WORLDWIDE, with several of them being Australian. They were also built in Emden.
PartyHatCentral ·
Rare, yes, but there are definately more than 20 left in the world 🤪 I know of about 5 panels off the top of my head in QLD alone. Quite a few in Europe too. Plenty out there waiting to be found.
OLLY ·
Hi bit late into this thread I have a fastty 1969 Auto 1600 TL has pop out fuel flap front guard /bumper overriders /wrap around blinkers and rear reflectors /chrome seat adjuster and seat elbows /pop out rear qtr windows /dress rims/ I am guessing these all came out original on this fastty.
body number 312A0015
compliance plate and under rear seat 31900080
diamond blue 523
any info be great.
thanks
Dyno ·
PartyHatCentral wrote:Rare, yes, but there are definately more than 20 left in the world 🤪 I know of about 5 panels off the top of my head in QLD alone. Quite a few in Europe too. Plenty out there waiting to be found.
list them.
vlad01 ·
yeah I got 8 of them in my back paddock 😂😉
L469 ·
just love all the info being shared fasinating stuff love type 3 info keep it up excuse my spelling left school 22 years ago dont write at all apart from the odd post on here least i have my prioraties straight😁😂🙅😂
PartyHatCentral ·
Dyno, I do not need to list them - suffice to say that they are still out there. Not all VW owners are members of VW clubs or online forums.
OLLY ·
So no help with questions about fastback on page 5.
Dyno ·
PartyHatCentral wrote:Dyno, I do not need to list them - suffice to say that they are still out there. Not all VW owners are members of VW clubs or online forums.
That is correct re; the club/forum scenario as you mention, but there ARE those of us who have actively been keeping a global register of these beasts for a couple of decades now ... I'm sure the rest of the VW 38's are out there too, as are the other 400 odd Hebmullers. Now, until they all turn up, they are not worthy of verification of their current existence.
empi ·
Ahahahaaaaaaaa😂
MY68VW ·
Chassi/comp no. 368 200 3xx
Wheel well no. 366 00064 (6 spot welds holding it on - apprentice?)
outside "finger" fuel release
two fresh air knobs on right of ashtray.
disc brakes/4stud
original key 'made in Canada"
I'm guessing CDK '68 - 1969 sale.
I think I'm the 3rd owner and pulled it out of the back of the last owners shed (case of beer)
this is how it looked when I got it back on the road. Close to how it was born (sea blue? originally) wide chrome stip, exterior below door, not attached. Baby seat in the back looks like front bucket. And the tacky wool seat covers to cover the wear&tear.
5years later it has been "improved" to my likes greatly.
mid improvements. type 4 engine under plastic.
vlad01 ·
how about a massIVe type 4 😂
VW-VARIANT-L ·
OLLY wrote:Hi bit late into this thread I have a fastty 1969 Auto 1600 TL has pop out fuel flap front guard /bumper overriders /wrap around blinkers and rear reflectors /chrome seat adjuster and seat elbows /pop out rear qtr windows /dress rims/ I am guessing these all came out original on this fastty.
body number 312A0015
compliance plate and under rear seat 31900080
diamond blue 523
any info be great.
thanks
These are pretty much standard features for your 1969 CKD fastback in Australia
Burrelli ·
MY68VW it would be good to see your Square back on the road again.
As for Panel Vans the first one I remember seeing was around Woodridge in Brisbane's south. It was a nice white one, I seen a few times in the early to mid 80's. Then in the early 90's? Import Advantage was using one as a delivery vehical. I'm sure this car is well known. I always assumed this was the same car.
I met Aaron at the VW Nationals in 93 or 94 and he told me about the Panel Vans. We only talked for a few minutes and I wish more of what he told me sank in back then but from then on if one was in front of me I'd know what it was.
I have never seen another one in the flesh. I wish I looked harder for one back in the day because I'd like one now!
NUG637 ·
just wondering, what year a notch could be if it had the real early laid back tail lights, wide five, and 6v? 64-65ish?
VW-VARIANT-L ·
NUG637 wrote:just wondering, what year a notch could be if it had the real early laid back tail lights, wide five, and 6v? 64-65ish?
Could be 62-67, but most likely 64 or 65N ( 1500S had the deeper tail lights, which are also usually on 66 and 67's models but the early flat lenses will fit up till 69)
If you have access to the chassis number can tell for sure
NUG637 ·
thanks doctor pat 👍
MY68VW ·
Burrelli wrote:MY68VW it would be good to see your Square back on the road again.
It's never been off the road for long;
Longest non running stint was while the type4 was being introduced to it, rear discs, efi & ecu and sway bars - 6mths
When the photos (April '10) were taken it was off the road for 4 weeks after destroying 4th gear. It then did 40,000km in 3mths (2000km every second weekend)- the only hiccup was a dead alternator and scoured piston barrel. Oh, and a cracked deep sump that took months of dripping oil to discover.
It does need some TLC, new barrel and the ecu re mapped. Yeah - the sump needs replacing too but for now gasket goo has stopped the leak.
azzatron ·
Hi everyone.
I just picked up my first VW, a '65 1500s notch.
I've been told on another forum that my car is a "1965 one year only Australian manufacture 1500S." which is pretty exciting
There are some quick pictures of it in the thread in my signature (only got it a few days ago).
What details should I post up to confirm where my car was built? I have the VIN, and number i found behind the spare wheel. I also found "M-249 90 OKTAN" on my engine, which seems to of been an option engine that allowed the owner to run regular fuel. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=389547
Any help would be appreciated.
Cheers
Burrelli ·
Hi azzatron.
Your car is an Australian 1500 Twin S. That is the way they came in Australia. The standard model had a single carb and the twin S had the carbs from a German 1500S. Aussie cars did not have the high comp pistons.
azzatron ·
Hi Burrelli, thanks for that info. It clears a few things up.
Does anyone know how many Australian built 1500s' are still surviving to this day? I can't wait to get mine back on the road.
Cheers
NUG637 ·
well i have what seems to be an imported feb 63 notchback, push button dash, red needle guages, fuel filler under hood(even tho the front guard has been replaced with a 68 finger pull guard), funky factory interior... will probly be up for sale soon as its rather rusty and i need the space, if it doesnt sell then im gonna wreck it i think...
68AutoBug ·
azzatron wrote:Hi everyone.
I just picked up my first VW, a '65 1500s notch.
I've been told on another forum that my car is a "1965 one year only Australian manufacture 1500S." which is pretty exciting
There are some quick pictures of it in the thread in my signature (only got it a few days ago).
What details should I post up to confirm where my car was built? I have the VIN, and number i found behind the spare wheel. I also found "M-249 90 OKTAN" on my engine, which seems to of been an option engine that allowed the owner to run regular fuel. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=389547
Any help would be appreciated.
Cheers
Hi
Lucky You to find a 1500 twin S with an M option M249 which must mean a low compression engine as the normal 1500S from Germany had High Compression pistons etc
and needed high octane fuel....
not sure of the petrol rating of standard and super petrol back then....
where as the Aussie made ones were the Twin S....
with twin carburetors....
excellent... I'll have to look at the pics
Lee
68AutoBug ·
azzatron wrote:Hi Burrelli, thanks for that info. It clears a few things up.
Does anyone know how many Australian built 1500s' are still surviving to this day? I can't wait to get mine back on the road.
Cheers
You can usually tell the Australian type 3 halfback or notchbacks as they didn't have the large over riders as used on German 1500S models.
there are a few still about , You see them at VW shows..
LEE
68AutoBug ·
Burrelli wrote:After the debacle of me telling vicelore his car looked like a 1965 1500 when it is a 1967 1600 and a very original as well. I was thinking we could start a thread or possibly a sticky the shows the differences between these Australian cars and German ones. I think the Australian-produced type3s started at the end of July 1963. When did the CKD cars start? 1500s says 1969.
I have an as original as you get these days 1966 1600TS Fastback VW Model 312s first registed 11/66. I've read the first Australian Fastys were April 66. My dad had an earlier one than me back in the day (Black red interior😎)body No.316151435. Regested 9/66. Who has the oldest?
I could show some pics of what my fasty has. Vicelores car looks to be a great example of a 67 Notch and I'm sure 1500s has a heaps of stuff he could show us.
RB.
The TS fastback was Australian Only...
The German Fastbacks were 1600TL ... and usually were fuel injected...
VW Australasia was in trouble by the end of 1967 so, CKD type 3s would have been in 1968...
local VW trained Mechanic went thru the Clayton factory and saw Volvos - Datsun 1600 - Type 3 - type 1 - all on the production line... they also assembled Mercedes trucks...
Not sure what year it was...
LEE
Old Rusty_VW ·
[/quote]
The TS fastback was Australian Only...
The German Fastbacks were 1600TL ... and usually were fuel injected...
VW Australasia was in trouble by the end of 1967 so, CKD type 3s would have been in 1968...
local VW trained Mechanic went thru the Clayton factory and saw Volvos - Datsun 1600 - Type 3 - type 1 - all on the production line... they also assembled Mercedes trucks...
Not sure what year it was...
LEE [/quote]
Only new at this stuff but weren't the first 2 years of Fastbacks just twin carb engines. Read somewhere that FI wasn't until 1968 even in Germany.
Rusty
Burrelli ·
Lee
I think Aussie CKD Type3's started late 68 for the 69 model year and German Type3's had carbs till 68 like Rusty said.
azzatron ·
68AutoBug wrote:Hi
Lucky You to find a 1500 twin S with an M option M249 which must mean a low compression engine as the normal 1500S from Germany had High Compression pistons etc
and needed high octane fuel....
not sure of the petrol rating of standard and super petrol back then....
where as the Aussie made ones were the Twin S....
with twin carburetors....
excellent... I'll have to look at the pics
Lee
Cheers.
Well it's my first VW so it's been interesting finding out all this information about my car. They've all been pleasant surprises also which is nice!
Would my car of been built from Australian pressed panels? I'm just amazed how little rust it has (none in panels at all and only two spots in the rear arches), and it's not as if the car has been pampered it's whole life. I'd figure anything that has come by boat is normally more prone to rusting?
68AutoBug wrote:You can usually tell the Australian type 3 halfback or notchbacks as they didn't have the large over riders as used on German 1500S models.
there are a few still about , You see them at VW shows..
LEE
Pretty certain the interior is different also?
Yeah, they're by no means "rare", but do seem to be uncommon. I've personally never seen any other Australian S models, but I'm looking forward to the upcoming VW shows so I can see some other cars for inspiration.
Burrelli ·
I thought I'd revive this thread.
I got some pics of Australian 68 type3's. Please correct me if I am wrong with any of this.
This is a Aussie 68 Fastback.
It has thin side chrome and no TS badge or parking light.
Volkswagen on the deck lid.
Still has wide 5 drum brakes( this one is missing its wheel trims)
This one is Diamond Blue.
Still has the fuel filler under the bonnet.
68 is the first year for 12V.
The head light and wiper switch knobs are the safty design and now black.
Also the cigarette lighter, gear stick, widow winders have black knobs as well as a black hand brake handle.
The interior is still simular to a German 66 deluxe with the vertical pleats on the door trim , Z arm rests and all one colour.
Here is a pic of a notch.
You can see the latter type fuel gauge with the symbols on warning lights. I think that is new for 68?
Notch and Square are still two tone interior simular to the German N model.
This car has white window winder knobs and two tone gear stick knob. Is this right for 68 Notchs and Squares?
cruiser ·
I reckon the fasty is a 67, wrap around indicators, fuel filler under the hood, air control levers on the dash, early door handles, Z arm rests. Nothing says 68 to me.
Can't tell much from the notch pics. I notice that the quarter window has the lever style catches whereas my 68 has the ones with a round knob. That one also has air control levers in dash. Could be 67 too?
Check the VIN numbers if it starts 317 (it's 1967), if it starts with 318 (it's 1968). I think people often believe their rego details rather than looking at the VIN.
My car is 318 (1968) although my rego papers say 1969.
Burrelli ·
cruiser
I think your car is a Very late German 68 CKD car sold in Austraila as one of the first batch of 69 model CKD cars.
These cars above are the last of the Australian built cars that were sold in 68. I think they would both have 318 chassis numbers.
