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donn ·

Looking at buying a new camera (the trusty old Kodak died dead finish ) Have found a site that certainly looks legit with a good price, Australian phone number that I have contacted them on with an Ausie to talk to, openly admited that the item would be shiped from Singo. I have heard that there is a site that you can check the honesty or otherwise of these sites but after a long long search can't find it, anyone here know of such a site.

1303Steve ·

Hi

I use these people http://www.digitalcamerawarehouse.com.au/index.htm for online and personal camera purchases, good people to deal with.

I went into buy a DSLR and they talked me out of it as they didn't think it would suit my needs, they suggested a different camera which I then went home and researched and ended up buying.

I bought a Fuji Finepix S200 EXR

Steve

vwo60 ·

I am one of the people that Harvey norman hate, i purchase most item from overseas sites, but be carefull, if you have deceided on the make and model of camera you must concider if it will be covered by a Australian waranty, some item will have to go back to the place of purchase if they require attention, some companies in Australia will not service item bought outside the country, try ebay for a price and go to myshopping.com, you might be able to purchase it here for close to the overseas price, my last purchase was only four dollars dearer purchased in Australia as the importer offered free postage.

donn ·

Digitalcamerawarehouse $549.00 Camera house (shopfront) $599.00 DD electronics $382.00 (price on their website alters with the currency rate........So you can see why I need to check em out, "if it seems too good to be true then it probably is"

waltermitty ·

go for an andvanced compact like the panasonic lumix LX5 or cannon s 95 . pocket cameras that the pros have for happy snaps . they fit into your pocket and that way you have it on you all the time and get shots you wont with a bulky DSLR . Also the top end prosumer point and shoots have amazing image quality to boot great in low light without a flash and wide angle the LX5 has a 24 - 90 mm f2.0 quality lens. mitchell

BlueV2 ·

I just bought a Canon 60D from these guys http://www.d-d-photographics.com.au/canoneos60d.htm and they are $200 cheaper than digital camera wharehouse. They are just up the road from me in North Sydney so I purchased over the counter. From eBay OzDigital seem to be a little cheaper.

Pollywaffle ·

Sounds nice. Does it come with warranty though? It could be a grey import. Hence why it's cheaper.

DubCrazy ·

just be carefull, if its grey market its made with cheaper parts, no aussie warrenty at all and is never put togeather quite as well.. If they are offereing a warrenty its a ship back to country of build which means it could be months before you get your camara returned.

Depends on what your looking at there are great deals to be had here if you know where to look and are prepared to haggle, my wife is a photographer and everything has been brought in Australia for warrenty reasons(can't be with out a camara for very long) and we have managed to save thousands over list price. shop around is ur best bet, even places like hardly normal as they do offer match or beat by 10% prices and they have to by law give that if you can show/prove price which is quite easy.

steff.................

jsheppard64 ·

1303Steve wrote:Hi

I use these people http://www.digitalcamerawarehouse.com.au/index.htm for online and personal camera purchases, good people to deal with.

I went into buy a DSLR and they talked me out of it as they didn't think it would suit my needs, they suggested a different camera which I then went home and researched and ended up buying.

I bought a Fuji Finepix S200 EXR

Steve
Hey I just ordered a S200EXR today
HS10 seems to have more of a fancy functions tho
with DSLR I'd be spending more on lenses lol

donn ·

jsheppard64 wrote:
1303Steve wrote:Hi

I use these people http://www.digitalcamerawarehouse.com.au/index.htm for online and personal camera purchases, good people to deal with.

I went into buy a DSLR and they talked me out of it as they didn't think it would suit my needs, they suggested a different camera which I then went home and researched and ended up buying.

I bought a Fuji Finepix S200 EXR

Steve
Hey I just ordered a S200EXR today
HS10 seems to have more of a fancy functions tho
with DSLR I'd be spending more on lenses lol

So where did you order it from?
Nobody out there know of a site to check on these online sellers?
Hmm, $35 shipping narrows it a tad but still very tempting

AzzA_teu ·

DubCrazy wrote:just be carefull, if its grey market its made with cheaper parts, no aussie warrenty at all and is never put togeather quite as well.. If they are offereing a warrenty its a ship back to country of build which means it could be months before you get your camara returned.

Depends on what your looking at there are great deals to be had here if you know where to look and are prepared to haggle, my wife is a photographer and everything has been brought in Australia for warrenty reasons(can't be with out a camara for very long) and we have managed to save thousands over list price. shop around is ur best bet, even places like hardly normal as they do offer match or beat by 10% prices and they have to by law give that if you can show/prove price which is quite easy.

steff.................
Nope, that's completely incorrect about "cheaper parts".
"Grey" imports are made exactly the same as the local products. They are made in the same factories by the same people and have the same warranty conditions. Only thing that differs is the region of the warranty, hence why many Grey import items don't have Australian warranty.

You are also wrong when you make the generalisation saying Grey Imports don't have Australian warranties. Most don't, but there are a number of items which in fact do have International warranties such as the Canon L series lenses (off the top of my head).

There are a number of Grey importers which have a better reputation of handling warranties than local retailers also. However you definitely do need to shop around. Grey import products are a trade-off. Considerably cheaper prices vs potential hassle of warranty and depending on the item you may not be saving much.

donn ·

even places like hardly normal as they do offer match or beat by 10% prices and they have to by law give that if you can show/prove price which is quite easy.

steff.................



Is that correct? I always thought it didn't apply to online / OS purchases.

jsheppard64 ·

donn wrote:
jsheppard64 wrote:
1303Steve wrote:Hi

I use these people http://www.digitalcamerawarehouse.com.au/index.htm for online and personal camera purchases, good people to deal with.

I went into buy a DSLR and they talked me out of it as they didn't think it would suit my needs, they suggested a different camera which I then went home and researched and ended up buying.

I bought a Fuji Finepix S200 EXR

Steve
Hey I just ordered a S200EXR today
HS10 seems to have more of a fancy functions tho
with DSLR I'd be spending more on lenses lol

So where did you order it from?
Nobody out there know of a site to check on these online sellers?
Hmm, $35 shipping narrows it a tad but still very tempting
ahem...
ebay lol it's an australian seller

DubCrazy ·

AzzA_teu wrote:Nope, that's completely incorrect about "cheaper parts".
"Grey" imports are made exactly the same as the local products. They are made in the same factories by the same people and have the same warranty conditions. Only thing that differs is the region of the warranty, hence why many Grey import items don't have Australian warranty.

You are also wrong when you make the generalisation saying Grey Imports don't have Australian warranties. Most don't, but there are a number of items which in fact do have International warranties such as the Canon L series lenses (off the top of my head).

There are a number of Grey importers which have a better reputation of handling warranties than local retailers also. However you definitely do need to shop around. Grey import products are a trade-off. Considerably cheaper prices vs potential hassle of warranty and depending on the item you may not be saving much.
I am not going to dive into a slanging match but the vast majoryity of grey import is not the same componants as this is how they make them cheaper. many times it has been shown to the be the case. The grey import stuff even feels different, i know u mite say its all in the mind but a friend has the same nikkon body as my wife but tis a grey and we weighed them and it was a fair bit lighter if they are the same they would weight roughly the same....

some people are more than happy useing grey imports and thats fine i personaly wouldn't touch them. its a choice.

at the end of the day people will buy what they want and as long as they are happy so be it...

steff.......................

waveman1500 ·

I would wait for the January sales and buy it locally, there should be some good buys to be had. I've got a Panasonic Lumix and am very happy with it. One thing which I find important in digital cameras is the amount of time which it takes to take the photo after you press the button, many digital cameras have a lag/delay of up to a second or more which I find very irritating. Then, depending on the mode which you are in some cameras can take several seconds to save and process the image before you are ready to take another photo.

donn ·

Taken from

http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090628002700AAaKDP6

Best Answer - Chosen by Asker
A grey import is the genuine item, only sourced from a foreign market where prices and sometimes specifications are different. The biggest issue with "true" grey imports (and not knock off clones) is the manufacturers warranty. Should the camera develop/have a manufacturing fault, the manufacturer will often insist the camera is returned to it's originating domain (the market in which it was intended for sale) before the warranty will be honored. This is only true of some manufacturers, some offer worldwide guarantees, so best to check before you buy. You can of course always take out third party insurance, though it it comes to replacement they may insist on that being with a similarly priced grey import!

So maybe the spec may be different, further checking required though I have found that they have an Ausie service dept so that is a bit of a plus.

jsheppard64 ·

waveman1500 wrote:I would wait for the January sales and buy it locally, there should be some good buys to be had. I've got a Panasonic Lumix and am very happy with it. One thing which I find important in digital cameras is the amount of time which it takes to take the photo after you press the button, many digital cameras have a lag/delay of up to a second or more which I find very irritating. Then, depending on the mode which you are in some cameras can take several seconds to save and process the image before you are ready to take another photo.
sometimes it's the memory card write speed aswell

AzzA_teu ·

Sorry mate that's just completely false.
Im not being rude, but you should probably learn the meaning of grey import before commenting any further. Its worth learning the difference as it could benefit you one day.
Not once has a manufacturer ever said there is a difference between the "manufacturing quality" of a grey import and local product. It's just not true. Are you under the impression that they manufacture cameras differently for Australia than every other country in the world?

Pricing is an infinitely more complex issue than claimed "manufacturing quality", but we can just look at simple supply and demand for starters. To give you an example, one of the U.S's largest camera retailers B&H sells more Canon camera equipment than the whole of Canon Australia. We are a minuscule market.

The only difference between grey market equipment and local stuff is the warranty conditions NOT quality. Most grey market gear needs to be sent back to the original country it was supplied to. Then there is some grey market equipment that has international warranty and can we serviced/repaired locally with no dramas at all. It's up to the individual whether or not they want to accept the potential hassle of sending overseas for replacement or repair if they don't have international warranty.
Oh, to throw another spanner in the works, one can even buy a Mack International warranty for piece mind.
DubCrazy wrote:
AzzA_teu wrote:Nope, that's completely incorrect about "cheaper parts".
"Grey" imports are made exactly the same as the local products. They are made in the same factories by the same people and have the same warranty conditions. Only thing that differs is the region of the warranty, hence why many Grey import items don't have Australian warranty.

You are also wrong when you make the generalisation saying Grey Imports don't have Australian warranties. Most don't, but there are a number of items which in fact do have International warranties such as the Canon L series lenses (off the top of my head).

There are a number of Grey importers which have a better reputation of handling warranties than local retailers also. However you definitely do need to shop around. Grey import products are a trade-off. Considerably cheaper prices vs potential hassle of warranty and depending on the item you may not be saving much.
I am not going to dive into a slanging match but the vast majoryity of grey import is not the same componants as this is how they make them cheaper. many times it has been shown to the be the case. The grey import stuff even feels different, i know u mite say its all in the mind but a friend has the same nikkon body as my wife but tis a grey and we weighed them and it was a fair bit lighter if they are the same they would weight roughly the same....

some people are more than happy useing grey imports and thats fine i personaly wouldn't touch them. its a choice.

at the end of the day people will buy what they want and as long as they are happy so be it...

steff.......................

Doctor ·

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Saved me typing it!
AzzA_teu wrote:Sorry mate that's just completely false.
Im not being rude, but you should probably learn the meaning of grey import before commenting any further. Its worth learning the difference as it could benefit you one day.
Not once has a manufacturer ever said there is a difference between the "manufacturing quality" of a grey import and local product. It's just not true. Are you under the impression that they manufacture cameras differently for Australia than every other country in the world?

Pricing is an infinitely more complex issue than claimed "manufacturing quality", but we can just look at simple supply and demand for starters. To give you an example, one of the U.S's largest camera retailers B&H sells more Canon camera equipment than the whole of Canon Australia. We are a minuscule market.

The only difference between grey market equipment and local stuff is the warranty conditions NOT quality. Most grey market gear needs to be sent back to the original country it was supplied to. Then there is some grey market equipment that has international warranty and can we serviced/repaired locally with no dramas at all. It's up to the individual whether or not they want to accept the potential hassle of sending overseas for replacement or repair if they don't have international warranty.
Oh, to throw another spanner in the works, one can even buy a Mack International warranty for piece mind.
DubCrazy wrote:
AzzA_teu wrote:Nope, that's completely incorrect about "cheaper parts".
"Grey" imports are made exactly the same as the local products. They are made in the same factories by the same people and have the same warranty conditions. Only thing that differs is the region of the warranty, hence why many Grey import items don't have Australian warranty.

You are also wrong when you make the generalisation saying Grey Imports don't have Australian warranties. Most don't, but there are a number of items which in fact do have International warranties such as the Canon L series lenses (off the top of my head).

There are a number of Grey importers which have a better reputation of handling warranties than local retailers also. However you definitely do need to shop around. Grey import products are a trade-off. Considerably cheaper prices vs potential hassle of warranty and depending on the item you may not be saving much.
I am not going to dive into a slanging match but the vast majoryity of grey import is not the same componants as this is how they make them cheaper. many times it has been shown to the be the case. The grey import stuff even feels different, i know u mite say its all in the mind but a friend has the same nikkon body as my wife but tis a grey and we weighed them and it was a fair bit lighter if they are the same they would weight roughly the same....

some people are more than happy useing grey imports and thats fine i personaly wouldn't touch them. its a choice.

at the end of the day people will buy what they want and as long as they are happy so be it...

steff.......................
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68AutoBug ·

Now some digital cameras are slow when You take a pic of something...

like a beetle blinker flashing.... lol


LEE

68AutoBug ·

.eg..

in the early 60s VW beetles in the USA had a waiting list...

but some people were importing them direct from Germany and selling them in the USA at a much more expensive cost...
to people who wanted one at any cost....

these were grey imports.....

LEE

colonel mustard ·

Doctor wrote:👍 👍

Saved me typing it!
AzzA_teu wrote:Sorry mate that's just completely false.
Im not being rude, but you should probably learn the meaning of grey import before commenting any further. Its worth learning the difference as it could benefit you one day.
Not once has a manufacturer ever said there is a difference between the "manufacturing quality" of a grey import and local product. It's just not true. Are you under the impression that they manufacture cameras differently for Australia than every other country in the world?

Pricing is an infinitely more complex issue than claimed "manufacturing quality", but we can just look at simple supply and demand for starters. To give you an example, one of the U.S's largest camera retailers B&H sells more Canon camera equipment than the whole of Canon Australia. We are a minuscule market.

The only difference between grey market equipment and local stuff is the warranty conditions NOT quality. Most grey market gear needs to be sent back to the original country it was supplied to. Then there is some grey market equipment that has international warranty and can we serviced/repaired locally with no dramas at all. It's up to the individual whether or not they want to accept the potential hassle of sending overseas for replacement or repair if they don't have international warranty.
Oh, to throw another spanner in the works, one can even buy a Mack International warranty for piece mind.
DubCrazy wrote:
AzzA_teu wrote:Nope, that's completely incorrect about "cheaper parts".
"Grey" imports are made exactly the same as the local products. They are made in the same factories by the same people and have the same warranty conditions. Only thing that differs is the region of the warranty, hence why many Grey import items don't have Australian warranty.

You are also wrong when you make the generalisation saying Grey Imports don't have Australian warranties. Most don't, but there are a number of items which in fact do have International warranties such as the Canon L series lenses (off the top of my head).

There are a number of Grey importers which have a better reputation of handling warranties than local retailers also. However you definitely do need to shop around. Grey import products are a trade-off. Considerably cheaper prices vs potential hassle of warranty and depending on the item you may not be saving much.
I am not going to dive into a slanging match but the vast majoryity of grey import is not the same componants as this is how they make them cheaper. many times it has been shown to the be the case. The grey import stuff even feels different, i know u mite say its all in the mind but a friend has the same nikkon body as my wife but tis a grey and we weighed them and it was a fair bit lighter if they are the same they would weight roughly the same....

some people are more than happy useing grey imports and thats fine i personaly wouldn't touch them. its a choice.

at the end of the day people will buy what they want and as long as they are happy so be it...

steff.......................
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+ 1. "grey Imports in aus, are just what you get from the main factory of the maker of the product.

and if you look close enough, DD Photographics never claim that they are selling the australian product.

"FAQs

1. Where is Discount Digital Photographics Pty Ltd located?

We are located in Sydney, New South Wales, in the northern suburbs, and in New Farm, in Brisbane, Queensland.

2. Can I pick up the goods I purchase?

Yes, unlike many Internet sellers, we welcome it as we actually like to meet our customers. Pickup outlets are located in Sydney and Brisbane.

3. Are your cameras genuine manufacturers' products?

Yes, they are. We sell only cameras manufactured by leading brand manufacturers. All cameras come with manuals, software and other original items typically included in the manufacturer's factory-supplied pack, unless otherwise specified. Menu controls and screen displays are in English.

4. Are your cameras new?

Yes, they are. We do sometimes offer refurbished or secondhand items, and this will be clearly stated in such items' descriptions.

5. Are your cameras Australian stock?

No. We are importers and buy our stock from overseas either directly from the manufacturer or a reseller, and do not source our products from the Australian office of each manufacturer. We do not believe this makes a difference for the purchaser as even Australian stock is brought in from overseas. There is no camera model made especially for the Australian market. In this globalised world, all cameras and photographic accessories are made side-by-side in the same factories for the world market. On the odd occasion, included accessories with a camera we sell may differ. We provide a list of included accessories with each camera model we sell.

6. Can I claim rebates or cashbacks from the manufacturers?

No. Cashbacks are typically offered by the manufacturers' Australian branches and apply only to the items they themselves imported. As we do not buy our stock from them, our customers are not entitled to claim on any such cashback offers. We do factor in these offers in our pricing.

7. What about warranties?

Our products do not come with the Australian manufacturer warranties. Some do come with manufacturer international warranties, in which case you can take them to the manufacturer service centre. Most of our products come with a 12 month parts and labour warranty. Where we are the warrantor, you must return your purchases to us for in-warranty repairs. You should clear up any warranty questions you may have before purchasing. Should an item you purchase from us have a manufacturer defect within 7 days of purchase, the item will be replaced. You must contact us by filling in the Repair/return merchandise form and wait to hear back from us before sending anything back.

8. What about the negative statements that have been made about parallel or 'grey' imports?

We believe that most of such comments are unwarranted, sometimes even false, and sometimes used to scare consumers. Parallel imports are called 'grey imports' by some to suggest some illegality about the origin of the products offered for sale. Factually, parallel imports simply refer to items that have been imported outside of the authorised distribution network in a particular country. It does not imply that the item is illegally sourced. We source our products directly from the manufacturer overseas or from a reseller. The fact is that parallel imports are legal in Australia. We believe this increases competition and ultimately, benefits the consumer.

9. How do you select which cameras to stock?

We sell only branded cameras. We keep up with the newest innovations in the digital camera market and selects from the latest products available in the global market. We typically stock the latest models that are the best in their class. Call us if you are interested in knowing what is coming up next in the marketplace.

10. How can we trust buying from you?

We are an Australian registered company and provide a full tax invoice with every transaction. We have been in business since 2004. We also allow pickups which makes us transparent and open to you, the customer. Finally, we have major Australian bank credit card merchant facilities, which are provided only to trusted, security-conscious merchants."

http://www.d-d-photographics.com.au/faqs.htm

yes, they are amazingly cheap... but, take that page and make your own choice.

personally my thoughts are:

you want a point and shoot camera? get something from teds/camera house with a warranty! (canon G12!!!!!!! - almost an slr, rugged and super sweeeeet!! and you can use a larger flash, like a ex270 too!)

you are super keen on the artistic side of photo's/ are making money from photos, buy a body from a place you know you can take it back/ get help and,
buy lenses second hand (forums - photography-on-the.net/forum/ ) or from DDphotographics or ebay or other places online ( digialrev)

🙂

hope thats helpful....

donn ·

Very helpfull colonel, the grey import thing is now clear in my head and I feel that these people are rigie dig, now I have to select the camera, it's like this camera has a piece of elastic attached, I keep pushing it away but it's the one that keeps coming back even though I'm not totaly sure of it (when in doubt do nought ?) it's at this point that I can see the advantage of a shopfront store, if I don't know the answers to my questions and can't find them on the net then I can do a face to face and get the answers I need (and maybe get a little more confused !) Thanks for your effort and time.

65standard ·

Just to get back to the subject of cameras, I recently (within the last 2 weeks) bought a Canon IXUS 1000HS from Bing Lee at Rockdale. After some shopping around, I was able to talk them down from $549.00 to $420.00 and a 16GB card for $50.00

The camera itself is brilliant. I was looking at updating my 1991 Canon EOS body to the new one, as my old lenses will fit the new body, but the advantages of these new point and shoot cameras far outweigh those of DSLR (for my use anyway). The other feature I was sold on with the new camera is the Full HD 1920x1080 Video in the camera. The video playback on my TV (non-LCD/LED/Plasma) is as good as I have seen.