Ghost Flames

Not that I am thinking of putting them on the kombi.

But how do you do ghost flames, are they painted on with a slightly differant shade paint ???
Cheers
Dave:jesus

DO GHOST'S PAINT ???

I just tell people I have them, much cheaper:alien

Very Fine Pearl!

N!

What do you mean you are not thinking of putting them on the kombi?

It would look better than polka dots.

Has anyone got polka dots on their ride? 😀

i dunno, but its a cool idea!

Click here, Is this what you mean?

This is a previous post as a test, but this is a flame job my friends and I did that really turns heads, Its not subtle like ghost flames but thats just a matter of colour choice.😎

A guy at work is getting them put on his 32 model chev and its costing him a packet, somewhere in the $8000 region for the flames and paint. He tells me its done by using pearl and a darker shade airbrushed on. It appears very time consuming and labour intensive. The actual paint job is done in a weekend but the flames will take longer. If i was to spend that much on something i would like everyone to see it.

Todd

Somehow I missed your original post Herbie but I have to say that Sandman is awesome!! Good job :thumb

Thanks very much,
Its the result of 4 talented young men that are employed because of their creativity who suddenly found themselves all Unemployed, {thanks Brad Pitt} when the film they were all working on collapsed.
So Tim who owns the van decided to repaint it in the original colour which I call metallic mustard and with that we convinced Tim to pause and reflect, Hes a Great Guy with a lean toward Retro styles, loves Hotrods and offbeat weird music amongst other things, we Noticed he had several Drawings showing fantasy vans etc and got him to describe how he would ultimately picture the Van and we sat down with Photoshop and go through different colourschemes a effects and came up with this, Tim knew he wanted to keep the van for a long time so we went nuts, cutting out rust and making sure it stayed gone, replacing panels with brand new repros and rust proofing the van to the eyeballs.
Now I will admit that I was also preoccupied with Herbies half done state and didn't invest as much elbow grease as the others plus I got some work in the middle too but Did create the flames and Sandman graphics that we used as masks for the airbrushing and helped get the windows sorted and a lot of "dont hold Back" type of encouragement.
Those people who live in Sydney would possibly have seen Tim cruising around the Fox Studios Area.
Mostly I am proud of Tim for stepping out of the closet of car customisers and hopefully this wont be his last Custom car.
Cheers Tony

ghost flames= lots of different ideas on what they are by lots of different people. they are infact a pearl or candy layed over the top of the cars colour before the clear is layed down... if done right they will only apper at different angles so they can give the affect they are moving as the car goes past... they can be layed on heavier so that they are seen from all angles but that is not a true ghost flame... yea they cost a lot to do but the average flame job will take about 15 hours of fine line masking u can see why... some of you ask why do it? well it be different.. how often do you see such things? and dont we all want our cars to stand out from the crowd? everyone has there own tastes and style but at the end of the day we are trying to create a car/bus that will make people stand up and take notice...

That's so true about time taken to paint flames. It took me about 6 hours to stencil and mask the flames on Helbus, 20 minutes to put on the purple colour and 10 minutes to unmask it. Then it was clear over the whole bus.

Thanks Dubcrazy,
Thats the info I was after.
Is there a specific pearl you use ?
Cheers
Dave

u can use any pearl, it all depends on what colour your car/bus is and what affect you want...say its a dark blue then the best options would be a fine blue pearl or a crystal silver.. but i have seen and done other colours. its more a case of trial and error, get your body shop to do some spray out cards and see if the affects work ... one thing you must remember is most pearls have an opposite flip eg. green has a pink flip..blue has a cream flip. very few pearls are a true one colour flip.. but things are changing as new products come on the market they get better and better. PPG have just come out with two new pearls that dont have a alternate flip... sliver and a gold one... i have not tryed them out yet as i only got them a few days ago.. but from what the rep said they really look good and the affects are great..as soon as i have tryed them out i'll let you knows...

Hey Dubcrazy, what about some flames in Prizmatique?

Maddd:bounce

House Of Kolor Have a great range of Pearls, In most colours, FIne or very visible!

N!

Anyone got a pic of ghost flames on white cars !!

The colour is the yellow on the new beetle cabriolet, or if I cant get that it will be the yellow on the Scooby WRX.

Cheers
Dave

not a bad idea there helbus.. the prizmatique is a wicked affect.. i am doing a purple HQ at the mo with the prizmatique over it for a customer. as for doing them as the flames.. great idea.. i think it would look great , i have a dude with a one tonner coming in for a flame job in the next few weeks mite have to see if he thinks it would be good..if it comes good i'll post a pic for ya to see

mmm yellow... i think the best ones would be a purple or vilot they both work really well with a bright yellow or for a full ghost i would go for the fine yellow pearl... that would not be very vivid but it would give the true ghosting affect with maybe a vilot shadow to the flames..

Hey Dubcrazy
What do you mean a violet shadow???
I thought I would just mask the flames and paint them with the pearl yellow,????
Would that work????

Do you use the pearl after the colour has been painted but before the clear,
I was going to paint it then use 25% clear, Then 50% clear then 75% clear then a couple of 100% clear coats.
Would this be O.K.
Or would I have to paint the base colour then put the pearl flames then just cover with clear???


Any help would be appreciated.

Cheers
Dave

ok you will have to paint the base coat first.. then leave it for a few hours(depends on what paint you are useing to how long,just as long as it is dryed enuf) then you will have to mask off the flames you want and cover the rest of you car/bus you then lay down you pearl,not to heavy more of a dust coat . you will want to do that in all directions to give you an even coat.if you want to give it a shadow you mask up a very small line on the outside edge of your yellow pearl . it gives you a shadow affect just on the outside of your main flames but as it is a small line it does not show up much and take anything away from the main affect(yellow pearl).. when all that is done you just apply your clear coats as you would with any base coat. hope this is of some help to u... laters.......

We did all the door jams and under bonnet, inside doors etc first then the front of the car with the effect, thats the silver with the candy violet progresively heavier toward the front and then topped that with clear to give us a buffer level in case we made any mistakes we didnt stuff up the candy work, then let it dry for a day and then blocked it back with 1000 grit to make it dead flat and key the flames, we did this very carefully so we didnt go through the clear coat.
next day we drove to a spray booth about 7 klms away from my house
then masked out the front of the van with the flame patern cut in a low tack adhesive film and leveled it with a squeegie, carefully prep washed the car and then sprayed the normal purple over the rest of the van, let it settle for half an hour or so and the took the airbrush to the outer edge of the flame mask with a clear tinted with some black using a peice of flat card to keep it tidy and neat, {less clumsy shadows } once all the Airbrushing was done, about an hour and a half we removed the flame decal and re prepwashed and then did the final clear coats with retarder thinners, {All Acrylic paint} let it set for a few hours and then drove it home from the spray booth with no side windows, bumpers or grill or any trim,
Since then some asshole egged the Van and the sulpur in the egg ate a big stain in the paint down the side, Dont you love assholes, what do they gain with malicious damage?
Any way I just mentioned the process as it involves only masking once because it works kind of backwards from painting flames on top.
Cheers Tony.

anyone got any pics of ghost flames.
In yellow if possible

Cheers
Dave

I still looking for ghost flames on a white car !!!

Ghost flames..

This is the real deal.

MY GOD ... that is the sexiest thing I have ever seen ... It took me several moments to stop drooling and a few more to clean up the mess 😉

That is sh!thot!!!! That is the best paint job i have ever seen ... ever !

😘kiss😘kiss😘kiss😘kiss

aaaah c'mon da wiz, tell me what you REALLY think 😉

That does look soooo cool.

Thats what im after Jim.
Cheers

I am thinking it would look cool on the 57, Will post pics when I get to the paint job, should be about 3 months away.

Cheers
Dave

if you can spay paint wiht candy it comes in handy as candy paint is a paint in which the more colors you add on that darker the shade becomes, yet the paint is very difficult to spray

here is a ghost flame job i did this week,yes i knows its on a *cough*holden and not a dub but it gives you an idea of different effects. All though its not a true ghosting effect becasue its a shimmering silver pearl over a blue it still has the shadowing effect and it fades in and out.

To give you all an idea of price to do this job which involved stripping the bonnet and bar back and high fill priming, then repainting the blue. Then masking the flames and applying them.3 coats of HS clear and two flo coats to get the perfect flat finish all for a grand total of $3500+GST which is not as much as some of you would have thought..

Obviously different jobs cost diffent price's and each job has to be priced to suit.. it gives you a fair idea of a cost though...

as you can see the flames can only be seen on angles insted of full on

All I can say is You are very talented,
.
Does the base colour have to be mettallic as I would like to do it on a Beryl green which is a 60s colour.
Cheers
Dave

Flames Flames Flames. We need more Flames. :bounce

you can do it on a direct gloss dave no worries there.. just be sure you use a good contrasting colour for your flames..

Most spray shops will be able to show you all the different pearls etc so you can work out what works with your green.

just be a bit carefull cuz when you paint them and clear over it all it mite make your existing paint look a little faded(thats if its an older paint job)..

Here is teh rest of that kombi with the ghost flames, man id kill for it, it can be summed up in one word: Kick-ass :P

thanks for the info Dub
I will be painting the bus so the flames will be going on fresh paint,
How would it work with 2 pac?
Would I be able to spray clear over it?
would it have to be a special 2 pac clear.
Cheers
Dave

i only work with 2pac(well mostly) on all my custom work... the pics u saw are all in 2 pac..i am guessing your van is or will be painted in 2pac so it will casue you no problems,if it has or is going to be painted in some thing else you can 2pac your flames and clear but it would be best to put a clear sealer over it to stop any chance of reactions

i work with PPG products mostly and find them to be of high grade. 421 express clear coat is one of there best ms clears,goes on so flat great shine and finish. I also use house of Kolor paints and there clears are great to but they do coat a fair bit more eg...

PPG 4 lt pack=$178+gst

house of Kolor 5lt pack=$670inc gst

the hsv i just did(one in the pics) was all done in PPG and u can see the finish is great .. if you need any help give me a shout.. i am going to the uk in a few days for 6 weeks but i will still be checkin in here and mails... so any probs/questions just let me knows...

.............steff....................

Cheers mate.
I wont be ready to paint for about 3 months as still finishing the body work,
Will then paint the bus and then do the flames.
Dave

no probs dave... anytime😀

........... steff.............