END OF THE RED FAN SHROUD.... NEW COLOR - seems red is a luckier color ?? YIKES..

Well,
After My Son bought Me a new doghouse oil cooler and I have had over heating problems I decided to repaint My RED doghouse fan shroud and tinware..
After much soul searching... about what color to choose....

Here it is.... You may not like it.... You may Hate it...

but its here to stay.... lol

the paint is Killrust EPOXY spray can paint... I painted a black steering wheel and steering shaft cover that ignition sits in..
so far it seems very tough...

cheers

LEE


PS: it would have saved Me about a weeks work of wire brushing the old paint off if i had kept the shroud painted RED... alternator backing plate was yellow is now metallic burgundy... can't have too much yellow... lol

lol

hmmm what colour will the fan belt be?

I like it Lee!

Something different, will look great!

h wrote:hmmm what colour will the fan belt be?

well it will be black as usual with yellow writing... lol
conti tech... 11.3 x 912

as the paint flexes too much and falls off... lol
I presume it would ...😂

I would like to know how to put dots on it so it spelt out VW
or something.... lol

LEE

Hi Lee
where did you get the tappet sticker?? I want one
and nice painting

do you have your own float in the Mardi gras😂

narumi wrote:Hi Lee
where did you get the tappet sticker?? I want one
and nice painting

I bought it from the USA years ago.. maybe CIP1...
along with 12vZ and fuel cap stickers..
I see other reproduction stickers for sale but haven't seen that one...

I did find [a few years ago] a company in the USA that made top quality reproduction VW stickers...
they weren't that expensive either... BUT

they wouldn't stick them in an envelope with a $1 stamp on it
they sent all their stuff out in packets etc and the cost of sending them over here by DHL etc was just plain stupid...
but "they sent all their goods out that way" ??

maybe they hadn't sent any of their stuff out of the USA before?? found a few companies back then that wouldn't..

cheers

LEE


PS: forgot about the Mardi Gras... lol

Klaus wrote:do you have your own float in the Mardi gras😂

Hahahaha.

Does yr thermostat still work? i would remove the gills in the shroud, get more air flow.

empi wrote:

Klaus wrote:do you have your own float in the Mardi gras😂

Hahahaha.

Does yr thermostat still work? i would remove the gills in the shroud, get more air flow.

its been tested in the USA that those flaps or gills are needed to direct air to exactly where its needed.. even when open...
I do have a new thermostat but have never fitted it... even had the rod connected for a few years...

I have found that the oil pressure releif valve works just as well... If I drive around town My oil never goes thru the oil cooler as the oil needs to get hot and thin enough so the relief valve will allow the oil to flow thru the oil cooler..
the oil temperature in the sump doesn't move much until I drive out onto the highway... then up it goes... and oil flows thru the oil cooler...

I believe that is the reason that VW Mechanics in Australia were told to take out the thermostat in new beetles back in the 60 and 70s... [also happened in other countries]

cheers

LEE

LOVING IT LEE!!!

What paint?

From Dylan

good on ya Dylan!

Mate - stick with the matt black
THAT looks cooll 🤘

No i want my engine that colour not my car haha (:

From Dylan

68AutoBug wrote:the paint is Killrust EPOXY spray can paint... I painted a black steering wheel and steering shaft cover that ignition sits in..
so far it seems very tough...

It's very tough and durable paint.
I've actually painted one of my cars with Killrust fire truck Red.
Stone chips and scratches barely marked it.

empi wrote:Does yr thermostat still work? i would remove the gills in the shroud, get more air flow.

Common misconception, it actually does the opposite when you remove them.

I've used the killrust epoxy on wiper arms and it seems to deteriorate, perhaps from prolonged uv exposure. It may he fine in applications that are away from the sun, so engine bay may be fine. How did your fire engine red go Joel in terms of long term stability?

Another wiggle died today...!

Meh, could be worse.....

cam070 wrote:I've used the killrust epoxy on wiper arms and it seems to deteriorate, perhaps from prolonged uv exposure. It may he fine in applications that are away from the sun, so engine bay may be fine. How did your fire engine red go Joel in terms of long term stability?

I only owned it for abit over a year after I painted it but it was still looking as after a year even though it used to sit in the sun all day long.
What do you mean happened by deteriorate? did it just flake off or fade away?
How was your prep?
The bumpers on my bug are just done with white Killrust too and are still looking fine after all these years (rear is about 6 years now) I just etch primed first.

looks a bit like cat yellow lol

type3disease wrote:Another wiggle died today...!

😂😂😂

MORE PICS

wire brushing all the old paint was the worst part..

then the shop ran out of glossy BLACK Epoxy Killrust paint

so, not sure what color to paint the tinware over the cylinders and the rear tinware....??

have painted the inlet manifold aluminium High temp paint.

its going to be a shame to close the engine lid...lol

LEE

Joel wrote:

68AutoBug wrote:the paint is Killrust EPOXY spray can paint... I painted a black steering wheel and steering shaft cover that ignition sits in..
so far it seems very tough...

It's very tough and durable paint.
I've actually painted one of my cars with Killrust fire truck Red.
Stone chips and scratches barely marked it.

empi wrote:Does yr thermostat still work? i would remove the gills in the shroud, get more air flow.

Common misconception, it actually does the opposite when you remove them.

PINK PULLEYS spoiled that engine Joel... 😂😂

I'm hoping Mine will look better....!!

LEE

Not like you to get carried away with colour lee

Is that a ham radio aerial set up Lee in the "painted tinware " pic

The gloss black has gone decidedly dull on my wiped arms. It looked fine after initial application.

Joel wrote:

cam070 wrote:I've used the killrust epoxy on wiper arms and it seems to deteriorate, perhaps from prolonged uv exposure. It may he fine in applications that are away from the sun, so engine bay may be fine. How did your fire engine red go Joel in terms of long term stability?

I only owned it for abit over a year after I painted it but it was still looking as after a year even though it used to sit in the sun all day long.
What do you mean happened by deteriorate? did it just flake off or fade away?
How was your prep?
The bumpers on my bug are just done with white Killrust too and are still looking fine after all these years (rear is about 6 years now) I just etch primed first.

68AutoBug wrote:

Joel wrote:

68AutoBug wrote:the paint is Killrust EPOXY spray can paint... I painted a black steering wheel and steering shaft cover that ignition sits in..
so far it seems very tough...

It's very tough and durable paint.
I've actually painted one of my cars with Killrust fire truck Red.
Stone chips and scratches barely marked it.

empi wrote:Does yr thermostat still work? i would remove the gills in the shroud, get more air flow.

Common misconception, it actually does the opposite when you remove them.

PINK PULLEYS spoiled that engine Joel... 😂😂

I'm hoping Mine will look better....!!

LEE

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cam070 wrote:The gloss black has gone decidedly dull on my wiped arms. It looked fine after initial application.

Interesting, I've never had that problem with Killrust, the gloss has lasted well for years.
Possibly a bad batch?

Another good enamel I've had a lot of luck with was Polykote from Bunnings except they have now discontinued it 😬

Joel
I painted a rear bumper [old german bumper] that had discolored on one end, don't know what caused it, but I rubbed it back, etch primed it and painted it silver in 2005, and forgot about it, but found it last month behind a shed and still in good condition.. no rust, no flaking paint.. there was also a rear brazillian bumper there that is rusted badly... it had some surface rust back then.. I wonder whether coating Brasillian bumpers with clear epoxy paint is better than waxing it every week...

cheers

LEE

Originally posted by cam070
I've used the killrust epoxy on wiper arms and it seems to deteriorate, perhaps from prolonged uv exposure. It may he fine in applications that are away from the sun, so engine bay may be fine. How did your fire engine red go Joel in terms of long term stability? [/quote]

How was your prep?
The bumpers on my bug are just done with white Killrust too and are still looking fine after all these years (rear is about 6 years now) I just etch primed first. [/quote]

POR15 gloss black goes very dull very quickly in the Sun...
but they do say its not UV stable.. worst I've ever seen..

LEE

Shouldn't this thread be in your members rides thread lee??

LIFE IN THE LOW LANE wrote:Shouldn't this thread be in your members rides thread lee??

You are probably correct Brendan

but i don't know how to move the whole lot... lol

Technically speaking though its only part of My Ride... 😂😂

it can be moved.... to members rides if someone can move it
I have no problems with that..

LEE

its going to be a shame to close the engine lid...lol

LEE

You really need a see through lexan engine lid for that beauty!!

Dose tinware have to be painted with heat proof??

What waa with the over heating problems

tar76 wrote:Dose tinware have to be painted with heat proof??

Nope, and it doesnt usually get hot enough to properly cure heat proof paint anyway.

Joel wrote:

tar76 wrote:Dose tinware have to be painted with heat proof??

Nope, and it doesnt usually get hot enough to properly cure heat proof paint anyway.

the fan shroud doesn't get very hot at all, so any spray paint should do there. even the tinware over the cylinders shouldn't get anywhere near exhaust pipe temperatures..

the rear tinware [rear of the car] gets the hotest with all the hot air from the engine plus the exhaust heat...
I've always used high temp paint on that with no problems...
the main problem i have is from spraying foaming degreaser on the tinware and engine bay very often....
this eventually discolors or dulls the paint or can even peel off the paint...
this is the first time i have used EPOXY Killrust paint...
its the glossyest spray can paint I have used... it does take up to 6 hours to dry though.. and You can paint over it after 16 hours..
or You can use halogen work lamps to help dry it faster... lol

cheers

LEE

68AutoBug wrote:or You can use halogen work lamps to help dry it faster... lol

LOL - funny as eh?

helbus wrote:

68AutoBug wrote:or You can use halogen work lamps to help dry it faster... lol

LOL - funny as eh?

the epoxy paint takes up to 6 hours to dry in warm dry air..
an hour approx with halogen lamp sitting on top of it...lol


I used halogen work lamps to dry the tinware so I could do other things.. and it did work... as it was raining on & off so the air was humid....
But
I didn't really do anything until today... apart from fitting the new oil cooler ... and wire brushing the paint off the rear tinware... the paint cures pretty good on there.... as it does get really hot...
a real pain to get it off... even tried paint stripper..


LEE

I must be crazy painting all these things different colors..

I've found it would be much easiier to spray everything with matt black paint.... lol

its taking much too long to get it all together

and I still haven't decided what color to paint some tinware...

anyway got the fan shroud inlet manifold [single port] alternator all in place...

Must be great owning a BAJA backed beetle.....

LEE

both hands and wrists covered in blue bandaids today..
slipped a few spanners last night.... ouch..

I didn't realize that a heater outlet on the fan shroud could leave a long curved cut when Your wrist comes into contact with it at high speed.. and hurts too..

LEE

All finished now and time for a beer? :P You gotta give us an updated engine bay shot now!

Agreed !

I decided to paint the rear tinware [rear of the car] glossy Epoxy black...
you can only have so much yellow... lol

and just need to fit the rear tinware... and wire it up...
I know I was going to label every wire...
now i know why...lol

at least I know I can hook up the coil to the distributor and it should go... lol

so pics to come...

LEE


Matt Black does sound good sometimes... lol 😂



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Did i read that right? Lee used black

cam070 wrote:Did i read that right? Lee used black

I think I might have had a black out...
not forgetting it is gloss black..😂😂🤓

Red was really getting to Me... [and to many others..lol]

anyway, I got it all together put the fan belt on and couldn't turn the fan???
Took the alternator clamp off and it turned OK...
pushing the alternator down on the stand with My hand the fan would go round and then drag at one spot...??

I thought that is easy to fix.. I cut a shim out of an aluminium can and slid it under... no difference..
Cut a shim out of some aluminium sheet.. still dragging..
Cut another and another and another.. and all was fine until the fan belt was fitted... [not tight enough either]...

so, I've had to take the fan and alternator out and I am getting the fan taken off the shaft of the alternator and will fit more shims and tighten once back in position...
[was put on with a rattle gun and locktite]

The alternator backing plate and fan all look perfect when sitting on the ground or a bench and spinning ...
Fan looks 100% Perfect... so, I;m hoping the shims behind the fan will fix the problem...

This is a doghouse fan and shroud, so the fan has not been used before by Me... it looked new... but has been sitting on the end of a Generator for years in My shed... lol

LEE

WELL,
everything hasn't gone smoothly as I had hoped..
inlet manifold was a pain to install as usual, especially the LHS rear screw which is just about impossible to place any spanner etc onto.
the the fan belt fitting and the fan hitting the housing...

Here is a pic of before I fitted the fanbelt and found a problem..

I have lifted the fan housing up onto pieces of wood and have taken the alternator and backing plate and fan out.
to get the Fan holding Nut undone so I can fit more shims...
so, I'm fitting the alternator back in with the fan nut loose, so I can fit the required shims to stop the fan hitting the housing.
Fingers Crossed..

LEE

Lee, looks great!

Can't wait to see it all finished and running again!

If it didn't need a fan belt... lol

I'd be driving around Now... lol

Do You know that type 3 VWs do NOT turn the fan...

the Fan is on the end of the crankshaft...

all their vee belt does is turn the generator....

cheers

LEE

Well back on the road yesterday..

had to fit a lot of shims behind the alternator fan to stop it rubbing... I also used an aluminium shim under the alternator .
and after not seeing that the coil wasn't connevted.. lol
it went great, excepting it wouldn't idle...
I didn't have much fuel so I drive straight to a service stn and filled with 98 octane... now idles and goes great...
back to normal....

Cold weather here today.. be able to use the Heater today.. lol

LEE

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That air filter looks a bit suss to me Lee! Mitchell

Nice and neat Lee 😉

do you have a pic of the front of the fan house looking bling?

HA! I knew it!

Lee's an imposter
I knew I'd seen an engine bay like his along time ago.

Make that a real long, looooooong long time ago......
one of the last VW power mags I ever bought, January 1991 🤪

Actually in all fairness my parents would have bought it for me.
An article on Powedercoating, some black early bug has a similar colour scheme engine bay.

Looks like the bloke with the camera has just come out of the jungle

Ugh you laughing at my damn farmers tan.

I don't think work cover would be impressed if I operated machinery with no safety boots 😂
I get enough shit from the old man for doing it without a shirt on.

Although today wasn't hot, was amazed at how cool My engine ran today. although still burnt My finger on the heatriser flange..

Maybe I should have run a doghouse oil cooler all along..

BUT.. I would still have a red engine lol..😂😂

Hope i don't get sick of yellow...😂🤓

LEE

h wrote:do you have a pic of the front of the fan house looking bling?

naturally Yes..

Joel,
I've never seen that engine but have most old Aussie VW magazines .. as they weren't printed at regular intervals
like monthly etc it was just luck finding them.


I did paint My inlet manifold yellow the first time..
but the paint burnt off at the heatriser flanges... lol

I suppose If I had spent money on powder coating, It would still be the same..

Love the farmers feet... lol

LEE

The VW power mags were always nice and reliable with their release dates if I remember correctly.
20 years ago seems like forever 😂

It was the Volkswagen Australia mags that were all over the place and changing names all the time.
I still have boxes full of them, for when I feel all nostalgic.

The last VW engine I built I had the tinware powdercoated.
I'd always painted them up till then and was happy enough but after powdercoating I'd never go back to painted again.

Joel
Do You remember reading about the fellow who made His own alloy wheels?
it was in one of the old Aussie mags with a pic of the fellow and his vehicle with the home made wheels...on the cover..
it may have been a Kombi??

I have never heard of anyone making their own wheels before..
I think they were alloy centres.. and steel rims..??

I think the RTA etc would frown upon that... lol

and they weren't painted... lol

LEE

Now that is syncronicity.

Someone mentioned you need a clear decklid to show off the engine.

I remember the bug you're talking about, yellow with purple flames.

It had an engine lid with a window cut in to it.
Looked absolutely ghastly 😂

The real queston is...
Is Joel wearing pants?

😎

Damn, if only that was a glossy magazine, I could make my reflectoporn debut 😂

Just to put your mind at ease, thats the leg of my shorts in the corner

new spy picture of vw at SCONE .

.

68AutoBug wrote:

h wrote:do you have a pic of the front of the fan house looking bling?

naturally Yes..

Joel,
I've never seen that engine but have most old Aussie VW magazines .. as they weren't printed at regular intervals
like monthly etc it was just luck finding them.


I did paint My inlet manifold yellow the first time..
but the paint burnt off at the heatriser flanges... lol

I suppose If I had spent money on powder coating, It would still be the same..

Love the farmers feet... lol

LEE

great pics but..
erm I mean the the back then 🤪 my bad

ian.mezz wrote:new spy picture of vw at SCONE .

.

This guy obviously hasn't used the right paint on that tinware its faded, any ideas anyone?

Sure its paint? looks like Crayon!